Next comes the Zoo-icide Bombers that slaughter goats and take pictures to tell CNN that israel is killing our "Kids" (baby goat).
Then show the aquariums full of fish and say "They also bombed our Schools" (of fish).
Truely a sick bunch of killers that are about to meet their makers as israel keeps up the good fight.
Oh man oh man. Just think all those birds, lions, and monkeys etc. could have all gotten their 72 virgins dieing as shaheed for the cause of Allah. Those pesky Jews always putting the kabash on a good jihad.
I saw this video a couple of days ago on one of the Jewish Israeli English-language blogs linked to JPost.
The detonator was in the zoo; there were explosives in the cages (perhaps the Hamas hoped that the IDF soldiers, being human and compassionate, would go in to offer the animals food and water and get blown up); the fuse ran from the zoo to the school.
Honestly, I'm beginning to think that there is not a single building or structure in Gaza that is not stuffed with explosives and wired to go boom.
Betcha that some of that fuel Hamas has been stealing is all squirrelled away in giant dumps - with some fanatical Hamasnik preparing to light the match on command.
In fact, what I'm worrying about, is whether Hamas has got the whole of Gaza City set up as if it were a gigantic suicide-bomb-belt. I keep wondering whether Hamas has a final climactic explosion in mind, perhaps centred on Shifa Hospital, once there are enough IDF soldiers and reservist drawn into the labyrinth.
I hope that the Israeli commanders have as suspicious a mind as I have...
PS - What gets me about some of the video I've watched, of mosques and such being hit, is that the *secondary* and *tertiary* and, as jdamn put it, *quaternary* explosions that follow are often as big as, or bigger than, the explosion of the Israeli missile.
Despicable and Malicious people, the Islamics/Hamas are, this is an strategy that they want to use against Israel, by threatening the lives of children, using them as hostages and even the animals too(I wonder where PETA and ALF is, aren't they suppose to be terrorists too, but fighting for Animals instead, along with those other Animal rights groups), and this shows how disgusting they are to fight Israel, by using the Children as hostages/human shields, and in a worst case scenario, to destroy their own people, then allow peace between Israel and those Palestinians that actually desire for peace, freedom and equality(Which is quite rare I have to say), but hopefully that will not happen, otherwise the Islamic/Hamas are truly evil people that deserve to be destroyed permanently.
Animals, thankfully, don't suffer from PC. If we let loose enough wild animals in Gaza, Karachi, La-whore, Teheran, Qum, Mashed, Badhdad, Damascas, Cairo, Tyre, Sidon, Mecca, Medina, et al - lions, tigers, black mambas, anacondas, pythons, et al, they could do what Israeli, British, Indian, American, Russian and other countries just won't. And unlike the Mohammedans, those animals won't be doing halal slaughter - they'd just eat them alive.
Peta members understand pain. Many of them are as anti-jihadists as any of the anti-jihadists in this forum. So do not push them out, but embrace them. Together we should stand and peace will prevail eventually. Islamists' cruelty to animals should unite more of us!
Never ever do these Animal rights and Human rights activists speak or protest against Islamic terror. Innoncents killed in 26/11 or 9/11 or thousands of terror activities in world dont have human rights?Is that so. ? But when it comes to punishing terrorists (gunatanomo or Kasab or Hamas) no Rights group ever voices even a single word. Is it that only Islamic terrorists have human rights???? Jews were slaughtered in Nariman house with torture that even post mortem doctors say is somethnig unseen before? Is it the Rabbi had no human rights ????
If jihadists are to be defeated, then anti-jihadists, animal rights activits, environmentalists and secular humanists should unite! So do not doubt your allies. Understand them, have a dialogue with them and unite! Please!!
Seriously though this has been a great week for collecting hard evidence of RoP depravity. Send this YouTube to any animal loving, multikulti friends you might have, together with any of the 'protest' videos from the past week.
Never ever do these Animal rights and Human rights activists speak or protest against Islamic terror. Innoncents killed in 26/11 or 9/11 or thousands of terror activities in world dont have human rights?Is that so. ? But when it comes to punishing terrorists (gunatanomo or Kasab or Hamas) no Rights group ever voices even a single word. Is it that only Islamic terrorists have human rights???? Jews were slaughtered in Nariman house with torture that even post mortem doctors say is somethnig unseen before? Is it the Rabbi had no human rights ???? Posted by: Ravi Trivedi
Hi, This is my first post here, but I read daily. Your comment annoyed me to no end, you are wrong, and I've seen many other comments here insulting or generalizing liberal types. I'm sure you would characterize me a leftwingnut (tho' I'm mostly moderate and sometimes conservative), I agree that the MSM is insane in it's coverage of Israel/Gaza, I can't comprehend why it didn't make the news that the Rabbi and his wife Rivka were mutilated, I support Israel 100% and believe that Islam is a massive threat. Don't assume to know how and what every liberal leaning person thinks and feels on every issue. Unlike right wingnuts, ha, sorry had to put that, we can think for ourselves and don't favor an authoritarian frame of mind.
And why do animals offend you so much anyway, there's nothing wrong with having a high value on other living creatures. You really need to look in the mirror and make sure that you aren't letting hate and anger turn you into the kind of person you hate most.
It pisses me off too to see US citizens protesting along with the muslims these last few weeks, ugh, but understand that many people are completely ignorant of the real issues at hand, are used to what they are fed about these issues from tv, and need some help. People, at least non muslims in the USA, will usually listen and be willing to learn from another as long as it isn't in a way that is attacking and insulting to them.
Insulting people is not going to help and will drive potentially supportive people away. Believe me b/c that is the only thing that's made me question what I think, when I see ridiculous comments about liberals and such, it makes me wonder if I'm wrong to be in the same thinking as these people. Just for a second b/c I won't let a few ignorant idiots bother me that much, but still, why don't you welcome all people who are against Islam/jihad not just those that think exactly the same as you on every issue out there.
I propose that Robert, Hugh or another creative and knowledgeable person writes the story of the independent Gaza Strip in analogy with George Orwells satirical novel published in August 1945.
A contemporary satire about the menace of our time ISLAM, focused on the history of the Gaza Strip where the animals took power in 2005 could be a propaganda hit and a blow to the jihadi leaders, just as Orwell’s satire was to Stalin’s paradise on earth.
For inspiration a short excerpt from the original:
“ … As they approached the farm Squealer, who had unaccountably been absent during the fighting, came skipping towards them, whisking his tail and beaming with satisfaction. And the animals heard, from the direction of the farm buildings, the solemn booming of a gun.
"What is that gun firing for?" said Boxer.
"To celebrate our victory!" cried Squealer.
"What victory?" said Boxer. His knees were bleeding, he had lost a shoe and split his hoof, and a dozen pellets had lodged themselves in his hind leg.
"What victory, comrade? Have we not driven the enemy off our soil--the
sacred soil of Animal Farm?"
"But they have destroyed the windmill. And we had worked on it for two
years!"
"What matter? We will build another windmill. We will build six windmills if we feel like it. You do not appreciate, comrade, the mighty thing that we have done. The enemy was in occupation of this very ground that we stand upon. And now--thanks to the leadership of Comrade Napoleon--we have won every inch of it back again!"
"Then we have won back what we had before," said Boxer.
This video shows how low Hamas will go to do terrorism, to include children of school age and animals. I trust the IDF to get the booby trap bombs defused and removed.
...... but understand that many people are completely ignorant of the real issues at hand, are used to what they are fed about these issues from tv, and need some help. People, at least non muslims in the USA, will usually listen and be willing to learn from another as long as it isn't in a way that is attacking and insulting to them..
from post above.
Then these "completely people" need to educate themselves, which is what this blog and others listed on this blog, are for.
All they (the "non muslims in the USA") have to do is to make the right choice as the time to "usually listen and be willing to learn" has come and gone.
Missy, you seem confused as on one hand, it "It pisses me off too to see US citizens protesting along with the muslims these last few weeks" yet, you pick on poster Ravi Trivedi, who is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I for one was in Mumbai on 11/26 and feel that the appropriate Indian response was to take over POK.
Missy, you can see, rocket launchers in mosques, booby-trapped schools, HAMAS butchers among children. Here is where rubber meets the road. If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem. What is funny is that you already see the problem (the completely ignorant) yet you defend the ignorance disguised in "high values". Shouldn't you be educating some of the "compeletely ignorant" so that Islamic barbarism stops and Ravi does not have to post? You are barking (pun not intended) up the wrong tree. If you care enough, you should be protesting Islamic barbarism, not those who rightiously make a stand in support of the real victims of Islamic barbarism.
Missy, You will find that most of those who post here at JW have a vision of Islam as a great danger to us all, that is unless you are willing to become Muslim and join with them. We are not PC. There are liberals and conservatives both here. There are religious and non-religious both here.
The danger posed by Islam is what brings us together. The ability to regognize Islam as a danger is what is lacking in many liberals who take offense to what is said here. Their prevailing philosophy of multiculturism is based on emotion only, and not on any facts. All cultures are in fact not equal but anyone could agree that they deserve an equal chance in life. I say "chance", not some guarantee. This is where the confusion comes to play with regard to Islam and the rubber meets the road, so to speak.
Islam is a cult that does not in any way believe in the Golden Rule. The Golden Rule is a basic building block of civilization. Without the Golden Rule, you allow such things as cannibalism, Islamic butchery, barbarianism, and treachery of all kinds by the powerful.
We say what we think, and let the chips fall where they may. If it is offensive to you, then you should re-evaluate what real danger may be for you. Danger is always offensive and talking about it factually can be scary for some. But it must be talked about, or we will perish. Our government, schools, and the media refuse to talk about it so what other choice do we have.
I would suggest that you obtain Robert Spencer's book, "The Truth about Mohammad". This single book will tell you more about Islam than any other book out there. Islam is based entirely on the life of Mohammad. Robert Spencer is a true scholar in his works and his books are very easy to read. But of course, they are not PC, because even talking about Islam in any factual way is not PC.
Anything that moves, anything that breaths...kill it...Allah willing...And he always is.
I don't actually see the point...But I'm not a Mahound worshipping Hamas terrorist...
From above: Never ever do these Animal rights and Human rights activists speak or protest against Islamic terror...
That may be true, but neither do a lot of organizations that do good work...Some groups are focused, single issue, and don't go outside that issue...Animal rights groups are single issue, as are those of abortion, gay rights, and lots of others...
Just as an example not to single out gays particularly...Have we seen a gay protest anywhere against terrorism? Gays against Sharia?
Gays against Islamic supremacy? Islams hanging gays?...No?...Why? They are single issue as are the animal rights organizations.
So even though the poster is correct, it's a mute point...
Hamas is blowing things up in Gaza also. Booby traps all over the place.
Not many deaths and injuries to women and children are being reported from 'those bombs', only the Israeli's.
The Gaza population probably know where these bombs are, specifically or generally, and avoid them. If that was not the case, 'Palestinian' women and children would be blowing up by accident where Israel was not at the moment attacking...
It may very well be that many of the civilian casualties in Gaza are due to the bombs laid by Hamas--if not directly then through secondary explosions triggered by Israeli fire. We will never know because Hamas would never let us know if that was the cause.
Hi Spot On,
I understand what ur saying and agree with you. I didn't articulate my points very well, I'm not used to the format here. Most boards that i read have threads that allow more of a back and forth feeling and commentary like this requires condensing ones thoughts down or else ending up with a post that is too long and unreadable.
All I'm saying is that writing off liberals/left wing/whatever they are categorized as people is a mistake, imo as is assuming that all people that lean left or for example all PETA people must be ignorant of or not care about the dangers of Islam.
It's not that I am offended or upset that things aren't PC, things are way too PC these days and people often don't say what they think b/c of it. But there is a difference between saying what one thinks and backing it up, and just hurling insults. Of course people need to vent sometimes, but there is a big difference between saying
A. The mainstream media is biased in regard to this conflict b/c of x, y, z and it's infuriating
or
B. The MSM is a biased piece of shit and out to ruin the free world.
Don't you see a difference? Don't you think that A has a better chance of making someone pause, and think maybe there is something to this, maybe I should reconsider what I think, maybe I need to find out more and see if what they say is true meanwhile B is more likely to ellicit a purely emotional response and drive a person to hold on to their belief system more tightly.
The reason this bothers me is b/c educating people is the key to a strong stand against the Islamation of the western world. As far as what Alert said to me, I am not excusing ignorance, but in order to break thru that and educate people, it's impt. to understand why they don't know more of the reality of Islam. Yeah, I know, how can they not know and why don't they just read, but those people need others to teach them. Rather than jump all over people for their ignorance on issues, I try to be patient and understanding so that I can present what i know in a way that they may be more willing to accept. If I let myself get too emotional (and it is hard not to be), then I would end up trying to shove the facts down peoples throats and that isn't very effective. Then they don't want to listen and they shut their ears and their mind.
It's hard enough to teach people about this stuff b/c it's so insane and so backward and so the opposite of the ways of normal thinking people. I try not to overwhelm people and I try to give them time to absorb bits of information so that hopefully they will slowly put it together and see the big picture. At times I feel like I sound like an extreme and paranoid person when I start explaining the facts I know about Islam to people, but you know the truth is stranger than fiction.
So say someone is newly learning about all of this, they come here and they read comments and the first couple they read are ranting about how liberals are ruining the country, etc. you get the idea right? B/c I have read plenty of comments here like that and it's often directed toward liberals, I don't recall ever reading comments like that here about right wing conservatives. It isn't going to persuade anyone to consider your point of view when you just stated something that insulted them. What does that accomplish that is helping fight Islam? What goals does it achieve in educating people?
I'm not saying anyone should censor themselves, but I am pointing out that the message is unlikely to get through to people if you've insulted them before they have a chance to process the info. you have to share with them.
Missy, what we take issue with, especially these last few weeks, is, as you noted, the insane coverage in the liberal media, but also the backing of these psychos in rallies by people like ANSWER, Moveon, ACORN, etc. The Che signs creep us out. Liberal anti-Semitism (which IS the sam ething as anti-Zionism, obviously) has completely unhinged as of late, and I just mean in the last few weeks.
Another issue we have with liberals, and I'm not speaking for everyone, is the unbelievable hypocrisy. One cannot give one iota of concern for women's rights, gay rights, children's rights, animal rights, or the rights of religious or racial minorities, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Parsis, scientists, or even atheists and simultaneously ally oneself with, or even defend Muslims without being a complete hypocrite through-and-through.
Furthermore, given Obama's agenda and every association of his since he was a kid, it is clear that Jewish genocide is a top priority of his. If you cared about women, gays, blacks, Christians, Jews, everyone else, or Western civilization generally you would not be a liberal.
I'm pretty socially liberal, to tell you the truth. I disagree with the right-wing's homophobia and I'm not a big fan of marriage generally. I've also been a vegetarian since 1992. If liberals would fight - rather than pander to, appease, and empower - Islam as an act of autogenocide, I wouldn't have a problem with them. If they weren't hell-bent on exterminating Jews and destroying the West's Judeo-Chritsian heritage, I wouldn't have a problem with them.
The views of the Democratic party deserve no respect, however. As a woman, a Jew, a Middle American, and a hard-working individual, you guys are out to destroy me and my country. I have no choice but to oppose you. When you stop being hypocrites we will stop calling you on your hypocrisy. But if you claim to care about women, gays, blacks, and everyone else, you will not pander to Islam. I'm not doing propaganda for the Republicans. I disagree with many of their views. I think they're too liberal in many ways and too conservative in others. When it comes down to it, I do what I can to oppose jihad, and that means curtailing the liberals.
Also, I hate how they always call me racist because I hold all people to the same standard and believe that everyone should be equal under the law. It's hypocrisy, pure and simple. If liberals were half as open-minded as they claim to be, they would not take issue with attacks on their party. They would decide where they stand based on the issues at hand and align themselves accordingly.
The Republicans are screwing us too. Alert's Conservative-Betrayal Bush Derangement Syndrome is concrete evidence of this. The difference is that we don't take it personally, in patently Islamic fashion, when someone calls them on it. We act like decent human beings, identify the problem, and try to change it rather than hide and deny it. We don't handle it like children caught stealing from the cookie jar.
I think that your heart is in the right place but your vote is not. I oppose liberalism as a matter of survival. Democrats want me dead. It's that simple. You wanna see the fruits of liberalism? Listen to Richard the Lionheart. He's living it.
The MSM is a biased piece of shit and out to ruin the free world.
Why do you think that is? Whose agenda are they furthering? It doesn't even matter. They've screwed themsleves because people want actual news so they're not patronizing them anymore. They're going bankrupt, as they should.
Rather than jump all over people for their ignorance on issues, I try to be patient and understanding so that I can present what i know in a way that they may be more willing to accept.
Then you, dear, are not a liberal. That would make you a socially liberal conservative. I don't think that's what you are, however, because you regard, as you have made clear, honest statements of fact as a personal attack, as if you were head of the Democratic party or something. This is typical of liberals, Muslims, and children. They don't deal in facts. They make everything personal.
Liberals think they know everything about everything and almost invariably close themsleves off to actual information. People who speak honestly are labelled 'racist,' like myself. You can't even discuss things with liberals. They, again, in patently Islamic fashion, have no concept of logic. They don't debate or argue logically. They label people as 'hate-mongers' for, for example, not furthering Jewish and Christian genocide or having a problem with the fact that under Sharia all women, little girls, and female babies live their entire lives as sex slaves. That is the kind of statement that would get me labelled as a 'racist' or a 'hatemonger:' an honest assessment of the situation, a clear statement of fact. Liberals don't deal in facts. They deny them, take the truth as a personal affront, and insult people rather than engage them in debate. They hate freedom of speech for this very reason. Their stances don't hold up to scrutiny because they are unbelievably hypocritical.
I don't recall ever reading comments like that here about right wing conservatives.
Then you don't read the comments. Alert's posts usually center upon the way she feels that her party has betrayed her. Did you miss the post on Sunday about Bush denying Israel MOABs and assistance in stopping Iran? You're not paying attention. Stop taking issue with us and work on de-programming other liberals and changing the party from within so that they're not trying to get Jews, Christians, and gays killed.
jdamn,
There's nothing I can say since you already know me, and every other liberal out there, so I won't take up anymore of your time. I still believe that many liberals can come to the same page on Islam/Jihad/Israel if they are exposed to the facts on islam.
Thanx for your reply tho' it's certainly interesting.
I try and avoid or low key on this site, any liberal theology, out of respect for RS and site.
I have been in the past the ultimate liberal basher. I was even referred to once as a national treasure...Ain't that a pip?...I was the Father Botros to Liberals. No liberal can keep up because I can turn psychotic at a seconds notice...I learned that technique from Mahoundians.
They do it all the time.
I wrote numerous liberal self help manuals, to assist them with coping with the lassitudes of life. Liberals have lots of lassitudes.
I could go deeper into the subject of Liberology, but I'm already way off topic...Maybe I could write a book...
I didn't mean to bring the topic around to the merits or problems with being liberal, my point was more about how the message of islam being a dangerous threat to the western world is obfuscated when people generalize insults toward groups such as PETA. But please forget it, this is doing nothing to help and we should be rallying together under the common cause which this site is about.
Take Care
Welcome Missy! thanks for posting. I'm also involved in pet rescue and adoption, and I work with feral cats. I've always believed that it is possible to care about humans *and* animals--I don't see any contradiction.
I find this rigging of the Gaza zoo appalling, but not surprising. Jihadists are so perverse. Where decent people see something positive, they so often see another tool for Jihad violence--bulldozers and SUVs are used as weapons in "sudden Jihad syndrome"--deliberately running down innocent people in Jerusalem, or Raleigh, or San Francisco. Cell phone components are used to detonate road-side bombs. Mosques and schools are used as weapons dumps.
The soccer stadium in Kabul was not used for football games or exhibitions, but for brutal mass executions of those who ran afoul of Shari'ah law under the Taliban.
Children's shows--like Gaza's "Tommorrow's Pioneers"--are not used to entertain kids, or to teach them math and reading, but as vehicles to indoctrinate toddlers to hate Jews and Infidels and aspire to kill themselves and others in "martyrdom operations".
Dumbledore's Army wrote:
The detonator was in the zoo; there were explosives in the cages (perhaps the Hamas hoped that the IDF soldiers, being human and compassionate, would go in to offer the animals food and water and get blown up); the fuse ran from the zoo to the school.
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This sounds very likely. Not only are Jihadists themselves perverse, but they so often rely on the basic human decency of those who fight against them. They consider compassion for sick and injured people, civilians, women, children and animals to be nothing but weaknesses that they can exploit.
I haven't read every word of the discussion here, but I gather you are unaware that Robert (who runs the website) wrote articles advising against the Iraq war and democratization project in Iraq before the war, not waiting until it became unpopular like Hilary, Biden, Edwards and Kerry. If you read Hugh's commentaries, you will see fierce criticism of the Bush administration for a whole list of issues.
Myself, I am a former moderate-to-liberal Democrat who doesn't identify with either of the parties, and isn't particularly partisan on many of the domestic issues of the day. The reason I am more likely to express hostility toward the left is that on national security, the islamization of America and support for Israel, the left is either openly siding the enemy, overly solicitous of the enemy "perspective" or "narrative," while those less enamored of the jihadists remain neutral or stay quiet so as not to anger their more radical political allies.
It is also things like CNN showing a clip from Hamas children's TV show where they attack a stuffed animal--with Anderson Cooper looking appalled--but rarely, if ever, highlighting the daily incitement to kill Jews. The fashionable left was hysterical about Mel Gibson and his movie, but has nothing to say about the Nazi antisemitism on the streets of America and Europe during the latest protests.
The right has many flaws, especially ignorance when it comes to understanding Islam and greed for Arab oil, but to the extent that there is a strong effort to counter the advance of sharia law, inform America of the danger of the Islamization of Europe and defend Israel, it is the right rather than the left where the support is most likely to be found. And with the exception of Pat Buchanan style paleo-conservatives,it is the left-wing American blogosphere that is full of antisemitic venom.
I hope this might explain both how this website is not another foot soldier in the conservative movement as well as why a middle-of-the-road type might be more sympathetic to national security and anti-jihadist conservatives, while far more angry at the hypocrisy of those on the left who give aid and comfort to Islamists who oppose everything (from women's rights to freedom of speech to equality under the law) that leftists claim to stand for.
...Don't you see a difference? Don't you think that A has a better chance of making someone pause, and think maybe there is something to this, maybe I should reconsider what I think, maybe I need to find out more and see if what they say is true meanwhile B is more likely to ellicit a purely emotional response and drive a person to hold on to their belief system more tightly.
Missy
No doubt you are correct about people rejecting outright criticizm. The very best way to criticize anyone it to make fun or to joke about what they say in a friendly way.
That is why I wrote you a sincere detailed explanation. Some folks don't have the time or inclination to fondly joke about things that need to be criticized. Robert Spencer goes out of his way to do this and keep it light hearted but that is a great challenge with Islam. The barbarianism of Islam brings our the worst in some people at times.
One thing is for sure, whether you tend to be liberal or conservative you will find others like you here. The subject here is Islam and no one here knows how to stop its spread of violence except to identify the enemy properly and eliminate it like we did the Nazis in WWII. The MSM would not go along with that, so we have a very serious problem.
You will note that Europe is engulfed by Islam. They are a perfect example for us NOT to follow. But, right now, we are going down the very same path due to the prevailing notion that pure unfettered Multiculturism is the way to go. This is not good and we all wish we could change this trajectory for our future.
Islam is not healthy for children and other living things.
Including (but not limited to) wild animals ; tame animals (dogs, etc.) ; women ; homosexuals ; followers of other religions ; followers of no religion ; independent thinkers ; and the rebellious.
Missy, you would be amazed at the number of conservitives that are recovering liberals.
The truth, when known, will alway trump indoctrination. Understanding the difference between facts and well documented opinion is a great help in ones own recovery.
The MSM filtering what we hear is bad enough. Being lean on fact and fat with opinion is a crime.
The nice thing about JW is you get both without being confused as to which is which.
I thought this was a place comparable to the Warsaw ghetto, where people were dropping dead in the street from starvation.
Well, if Gaza has a zoo, I would like to make a modest proposal.
Leaders of the more secular Palestinian National rights movement should work on building an amusment park.
Built with the understanding that this "Gaza Disneyland" will be periodically destroyed, its rebuiding will provide employment, and contribute to the economy.
The pictures of exploded childeren's amusement rides will be good propaganda.
The rides themselves can be "vechiles" for propaganda.
There could be "Mr. Yassin's Wild Shahid Ride" where one is conveyed along the career of a suicide bomber.
There is a simulated explosion before entering a final room where heaven is going on.
Or how about the "Peace Process Merry-Go-Round"?
Or the "Whirling Zionists", where childern can ride on the backs of their favorite stereotypical Jewish fiend.
Of course this is silly. Not even the totally corrupt Palestinian rights movement would be so grotesque.
And, to think of it, a menagerie is completely consistant with an ideology that seeks to control, dominate, convert, or destroy all forms of life.
I wouldn't be surprized if above the lion's cage is the inscription - "Allahhu Akbar!"
If that doesn't feature enough animal abuse, here's a lovely piece on how Gazan children are encouraged to taunt and mistreat animals--I believe the figure in the YouTube video is our old friend Nahoul the Bee from "Tommorrow's Pioneers":
Gaza IS a zoo. This is a place where you see uncivilized barbarians up close as they existed over 1400 years ago. The only problem with this zoo is that there are no fences or other means to keep the animals from harming anyone.
One thing to remember is that the West and the USA have not won a real war since WWII. The jury is still out as to whether western countries remember how to win a war anymore. Islam has us in a life and death struggle for survival. If you think not, take a close look at Europe. Europe will most likely fall to Islamization within years. The fight there is ongoing as we speak. I don't mean to put down anyone in Europe because the USA is heading in exactly same direction.
When we fought the Germans, the Japanese, and the other axis powers, we identified the enemy precisely. We fought each enemy based on good judgement and proper winning strategy at the time. The Japanese were the most similiar enemy compared to Islamic enemies. We called them "Japs" in those days. (We called the Germans "Krauts".) It was a war to the death. We burned entire German cities. We nuked the Japanese. We brought them to their knees. They were scared to death of us. Their children were scared to death of us. After they agreed to surrender, totally, and they signed an agreement to that effect, we shook their hand with a smile of help. We then eliminated all Nazis and we required the Japanese God-Man, to be only God. We did not take away their God's divinity but we most certainly removed him from any political power. If it had been Islamists that we had defeated in WWII, I am quite sure we would have outlawed Sharia and all political affiliation of Islam. Islam would have been a religion of worship only with no youth sharia indoctrination or any possibility of them regrouping to militarize their religion as is now the case and was the case with the Japanese before we defeated them. We knew how to fight and win in WWII.
Today, what I see is military and political leaders with excessive hubris and overconfidence. They are proud of our modern sophisticated weapons and relative wealth. But they have never fought a war to the death with a worthy adversary. The wars we have fought since WWII have either been unecessary or ended in stalemate with the enemy still in control. These wars ended without any victory on our part.
With Islam, there will be no stalemate and no end until one side or the other has total victory over the other. That will not happen until Sharia and Islamic political activities cease to exist or until they take over our country, one or the other. Unfortunately, our weak (or corrupt)leaders have shown no intention of taking a winning course, without which we will most certainly lose in time. That is why Islamic countries are so encouraged by our gross ignorance in this war to the finish.
One last thing, a lot of very smart people think that Islam will ultimately succomb to modern secularism. I say that Islam has remained unchanged for 1400 years because it has internal political methods to remain that way through indoctrination of the young and the use of discipline and brutal force against their own. There is no evidence that this has ever happened. So it is just wishful thinking to engage in this kind of thought. Our leaders need to toughen up and get serious about this war. We need a winning strategy and I don't see one coming from our leaders anytime soon.
Rigging a zoo to explode is involving the most innocent victims of them all. The animals.
Not to lessen the fact that they also used a school, but rigging a zoo just goes to show what these "people" (and choke as I use that word)think of innocence of any type.
Hamas is sick and perverted.
I do have to say however, as some others have also mentioned, I haven't noticed animal rights groups making any big stink about this.
Of course, the description of the lion's condition makes one want to cringe, and there is also a link to the Gazans' slaughtering an endangered sea turtle that jdamn refered to above.
The other links touch on the tunnel system in Gaza that the Egyptians blow up at a rate of about one a day.
It is through these tunnels that the animals are drugged and dragged in a bag, only to wake up . .in Gaza!
Even through the smugglers are sometimes buried alive, it is reported that they aspire to bring an elephant through one of these tunnels. . for their zoo.
Terrorism against animals?
Was it for their fur or skin to make clothes?
That would make it Ji-Hyde for Allah's cause.
Next comes the Zoo-icide Bombers that slaughter goats and take pictures to tell CNN that israel is killing our "Kids" (baby goat).
Then show the aquariums full of fish and say "They also bombed our Schools" (of fish).
Truely a sick bunch of killers that are about to meet their makers as israel keeps up the good fight.
GO Israel
Oh man oh man. Just think all those birds, lions, and monkeys etc. could have all gotten their 72 virgins dieing as shaheed for the cause of Allah. Those pesky Jews always putting the kabash on a good jihad.
I saw this video a couple of days ago on one of the Jewish Israeli English-language blogs linked to JPost.
The detonator was in the zoo; there were explosives in the cages (perhaps the Hamas hoped that the IDF soldiers, being human and compassionate, would go in to offer the animals food and water and get blown up); the fuse ran from the zoo to the school.
Honestly, I'm beginning to think that there is not a single building or structure in Gaza that is not stuffed with explosives and wired to go boom.
Betcha that some of that fuel Hamas has been stealing is all squirrelled away in giant dumps - with some fanatical Hamasnik preparing to light the match on command.
In fact, what I'm worrying about, is whether Hamas has got the whole of Gaza City set up as if it were a gigantic suicide-bomb-belt. I keep wondering whether Hamas has a final climactic explosion in mind, perhaps centred on Shifa Hospital, once there are enough IDF soldiers and reservist drawn into the labyrinth.
I hope that the Israeli commanders have as suspicious a mind as I have...
PS - What gets me about some of the video I've watched, of mosques and such being hit, is that the *secondary* and *tertiary* and, as jdamn put it, *quaternary* explosions that follow are often as big as, or bigger than, the explosion of the Israeli missile.
Despicable and Malicious people, the Islamics/Hamas are, this is an strategy that they want to use against Israel, by threatening the lives of children, using them as hostages and even the animals too(I wonder where PETA and ALF is, aren't they suppose to be terrorists too, but fighting for Animals instead, along with those other Animal rights groups), and this shows how disgusting they are to fight Israel, by using the Children as hostages/human shields, and in a worst case scenario, to destroy their own people, then allow peace between Israel and those Palestinians that actually desire for peace, freedom and equality(Which is quite rare I have to say), but hopefully that will not happen, otherwise the Islamic/Hamas are truly evil people that deserve to be destroyed permanently.
CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the liberal MSM pukes couldn't care less since its against Israeli Jews.
Now OTOH if it was carried out by white male Christians it would be news.
And PETA, thats nothing but a collection of vile, white upper class liberal shits who live off their parents money.
If you ain't in their social-economic class don't even bother talking to them.
If any group deserved to be stuffed and mounted its PETA members.
Animals, thankfully, don't suffer from PC. If we let loose enough wild animals in Gaza, Karachi, La-whore, Teheran, Qum, Mashed, Badhdad, Damascas, Cairo, Tyre, Sidon, Mecca, Medina, et al - lions, tigers, black mambas, anacondas, pythons, et al, they could do what Israeli, British, Indian, American, Russian and other countries just won't. And unlike the Mohammedans, those animals won't be doing halal slaughter - they'd just eat them alive.
Too bad we can't bring back the dinosaurs.
Part and parcel of Islam.
Sanctified tradition.
They are merely following their leader Mohammeds example.
Surely it must now be becoming clear to those who currently call themselves Muslims that Islam is not legitimate.
Peta members understand pain. Many of them are as anti-jihadists as any of the anti-jihadists in this forum. So do not push them out, but embrace them. Together we should stand and peace will prevail eventually. Islamists' cruelty to animals should unite more of us!
Never ever do these Animal rights and Human rights activists speak or protest against Islamic terror. Innoncents killed in 26/11 or 9/11 or thousands of terror activities in world dont have human rights?Is that so. ? But when it comes to punishing terrorists (gunatanomo or Kasab or Hamas) no Rights group ever voices even a single word. Is it that only Islamic terrorists have human rights???? Jews were slaughtered in Nariman house with torture that even post mortem doctors say is somethnig unseen before? Is it the Rabbi had no human rights ????
If jihadists are to be defeated, then anti-jihadists, animal rights activits, environmentalists and secular humanists should unite! So do not doubt your allies. Understand them, have a dialogue with them and unite! Please!!
Nice Ferris reference there :)
Seriously though this has been a great week for collecting hard evidence of RoP depravity. Send this YouTube to any animal loving, multikulti friends you might have, together with any of the 'protest' videos from the past week.
Let them feel the love.
Never ever do these Animal rights and Human rights activists speak or protest against Islamic terror. Innoncents killed in 26/11 or 9/11 or thousands of terror activities in world dont have human rights?Is that so. ? But when it comes to punishing terrorists (gunatanomo or Kasab or Hamas) no Rights group ever voices even a single word. Is it that only Islamic terrorists have human rights???? Jews were slaughtered in Nariman house with torture that even post mortem doctors say is somethnig unseen before? Is it the Rabbi had no human rights ???? Posted by: Ravi Trivedi
Hi, This is my first post here, but I read daily. Your comment annoyed me to no end, you are wrong, and I've seen many other comments here insulting or generalizing liberal types. I'm sure you would characterize me a leftwingnut (tho' I'm mostly moderate and sometimes conservative), I agree that the MSM is insane in it's coverage of Israel/Gaza, I can't comprehend why it didn't make the news that the Rabbi and his wife Rivka were mutilated, I support Israel 100% and believe that Islam is a massive threat. Don't assume to know how and what every liberal leaning person thinks and feels on every issue. Unlike right wingnuts, ha, sorry had to put that, we can think for ourselves and don't favor an authoritarian frame of mind.
And why do animals offend you so much anyway, there's nothing wrong with having a high value on other living creatures. You really need to look in the mirror and make sure that you aren't letting hate and anger turn you into the kind of person you hate most.
It pisses me off too to see US citizens protesting along with the muslims these last few weeks, ugh, but understand that many people are completely ignorant of the real issues at hand, are used to what they are fed about these issues from tv, and need some help. People, at least non muslims in the USA, will usually listen and be willing to learn from another as long as it isn't in a way that is attacking and insulting to them.
Insulting people is not going to help and will drive potentially supportive people away. Believe me b/c that is the only thing that's made me question what I think, when I see ridiculous comments about liberals and such, it makes me wonder if I'm wrong to be in the same thinking as these people. Just for a second b/c I won't let a few ignorant idiots bother me that much, but still, why don't you welcome all people who are against Islam/jihad not just those that think exactly the same as you on every issue out there.
GAZA AS "ANIMAL FARM"
I propose that Robert, Hugh or another creative and knowledgeable person writes the story of the independent Gaza Strip in analogy with George Orwells satirical novel published in August 1945.
A contemporary satire about the menace of our time ISLAM, focused on the history of the Gaza Strip where the animals took power in 2005 could be a propaganda hit and a blow to the jihadi leaders, just as Orwell’s satire was to Stalin’s paradise on earth.
For inspiration a short excerpt from the original:
“ … As they approached the farm Squealer, who had unaccountably been absent during the fighting, came skipping towards them, whisking his tail and beaming with satisfaction. And the animals heard, from the direction of the farm buildings, the solemn booming of a gun.
"What is that gun firing for?" said Boxer.
"To celebrate our victory!" cried Squealer.
"What victory?" said Boxer. His knees were bleeding, he had lost a shoe and split his hoof, and a dozen pellets had lodged themselves in his hind leg.
"What victory, comrade? Have we not driven the enemy off our soil--the
sacred soil of Animal Farm?"
"But they have destroyed the windmill. And we had worked on it for two
years!"
"What matter? We will build another windmill. We will build six windmills if we feel like it. You do not appreciate, comrade, the mighty thing that we have done. The enemy was in occupation of this very ground that we stand upon. And now--thanks to the leadership of Comrade Napoleon--we have won every inch of it back again!"
"Then we have won back what we had before," said Boxer.
"That is our victory," said Squealer. …”
This video shows how low Hamas will go to do terrorism, to include children of school age and animals. I trust the IDF to get the booby trap bombs defused and removed.
...... but understand that many people are completely ignorant of the real issues at hand, are used to what they are fed about these issues from tv, and need some help. People, at least non muslims in the USA, will usually listen and be willing to learn from another as long as it isn't in a way that is attacking and insulting to them..
from post above.
Then these "completely people" need to educate themselves, which is what this blog and others listed on this blog, are for.
All they (the "non muslims in the USA") have to do is to make the right choice as the time to "usually listen and be willing to learn" has come and gone.
Missy, you seem confused as on one hand, it "It pisses me off too to see US citizens protesting along with the muslims these last few weeks" yet, you pick on poster Ravi Trivedi, who is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I for one was in Mumbai on 11/26 and feel that the appropriate Indian response was to take over POK.
Missy, you can see, rocket launchers in mosques, booby-trapped schools, HAMAS butchers among children. Here is where rubber meets the road. If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem. What is funny is that you already see the problem (the completely ignorant) yet you defend the ignorance disguised in "high values". Shouldn't you be educating some of the "compeletely ignorant" so that Islamic barbarism stops and Ravi does not have to post? You are barking (pun not intended) up the wrong tree. If you care enough, you should be protesting Islamic barbarism, not those who rightiously make a stand in support of the real victims of Islamic barbarism.
Uh, Missy, it isn't animals that offend some of us. It the PETA people, who get more worked up over animal rights than they do over human rights.
A Zoo within a Zoo?
The terrorists are now hiding in their Hamas-holes, and the Israeli soldiers are using military-grade enemas to flush them out.
Missy, You will find that most of those who post here at JW have a vision of Islam as a great danger to us all, that is unless you are willing to become Muslim and join with them. We are not PC. There are liberals and conservatives both here. There are religious and non-religious both here.
The danger posed by Islam is what brings us together. The ability to regognize Islam as a danger is what is lacking in many liberals who take offense to what is said here. Their prevailing philosophy of multiculturism is based on emotion only, and not on any facts. All cultures are in fact not equal but anyone could agree that they deserve an equal chance in life. I say "chance", not some guarantee. This is where the confusion comes to play with regard to Islam and the rubber meets the road, so to speak.
Islam is a cult that does not in any way believe in the Golden Rule. The Golden Rule is a basic building block of civilization. Without the Golden Rule, you allow such things as cannibalism, Islamic butchery, barbarianism, and treachery of all kinds by the powerful.
We say what we think, and let the chips fall where they may. If it is offensive to you, then you should re-evaluate what real danger may be for you. Danger is always offensive and talking about it factually can be scary for some. But it must be talked about, or we will perish. Our government, schools, and the media refuse to talk about it so what other choice do we have.
I would suggest that you obtain Robert Spencer's book, "The Truth about Mohammad". This single book will tell you more about Islam than any other book out there. Islam is based entirely on the life of Mohammad. Robert Spencer is a true scholar in his works and his books are very easy to read. But of course, they are not PC, because even talking about Islam in any factual way is not PC.
The terrorists are now hiding in their Hamas-holes, and the Israeli soldiers are using military-grade enemas to flush them out.
Posted by: jewdog
I prefer the old flame throwers for getting them out of their holes. It gives them an idea of where they are going before they get there.
Now that animals are being tortured by hammas, the PETA crowd will be really pissed off.
Just when you think that Hamas cannot get any lower........
Missy: "right wingnuts", "authoritarian", "hate and anger", "insulting", "ridiculous", "ignorant idiots".
Ahem.
You really need to look in the mirror and make sure that you aren't letting hate and anger turn you into the kind of person you hate most.
(cough)
Insulting people is not going to help ...
Anything that moves, anything that breaths...kill it...Allah willing...And he always is.
I don't actually see the point...But I'm not a Mahound worshipping Hamas terrorist...
From above: Never ever do these Animal rights and Human rights activists speak or protest against Islamic terror...
That may be true, but neither do a lot of organizations that do good work...Some groups are focused, single issue, and don't go outside that issue...Animal rights groups are single issue, as are those of abortion, gay rights, and lots of others...
Just as an example not to single out gays particularly...Have we seen a gay protest anywhere against terrorism? Gays against Sharia?
Gays against Islamic supremacy? Islams hanging gays?...No?...Why? They are single issue as are the animal rights organizations.
So even though the poster is correct, it's a mute point...
Hamas is blowing things up in Gaza also. Booby traps all over the place.
Not many deaths and injuries to women and children are being reported from 'those bombs', only the Israeli's.
The Gaza population probably know where these bombs are, specifically or generally, and avoid them. If that was not the case, 'Palestinian' women and children would be blowing up by accident where Israel was not at the moment attacking...
duh-swami:
It may very well be that many of the civilian casualties in Gaza are due to the bombs laid by Hamas--if not directly then through secondary explosions triggered by Israeli fire. We will never know because Hamas would never let us know if that was the cause.
Maybe when a Hamas leader ordered his minions to "Kill the Jews," some not-too-bright jihadi heard "Kill the Zoos."
Now that animals are being tortured by hammas, the PETA crowd will be really pissed off.
ZenaWarriorPrincess
ZenaWarriorPrincess, Lets not hold our breath for PETA to get pissed off at Hamas or anything Islam. They only get pissed off at US.
usapatrio...it is factual that people, including women and children are getting killed and injured...
But just who is killing/injuring them
is monitored by the hospitals staffed by Hamas or sympathizers, so you can't get any reliable reports.
They lie like carpets, and as we have seen stage fake injuries.
Most likely a lot of these deaths and injuries are caused by Hamas, but it will be reported as Israels doing...
Hi Spot On,
I understand what ur saying and agree with you. I didn't articulate my points very well, I'm not used to the format here. Most boards that i read have threads that allow more of a back and forth feeling and commentary like this requires condensing ones thoughts down or else ending up with a post that is too long and unreadable.
All I'm saying is that writing off liberals/left wing/whatever they are categorized as people is a mistake, imo as is assuming that all people that lean left or for example all PETA people must be ignorant of or not care about the dangers of Islam.
It's not that I am offended or upset that things aren't PC, things are way too PC these days and people often don't say what they think b/c of it. But there is a difference between saying what one thinks and backing it up, and just hurling insults. Of course people need to vent sometimes, but there is a big difference between saying
A. The mainstream media is biased in regard to this conflict b/c of x, y, z and it's infuriating
or
B. The MSM is a biased piece of shit and out to ruin the free world.
Don't you see a difference? Don't you think that A has a better chance of making someone pause, and think maybe there is something to this, maybe I should reconsider what I think, maybe I need to find out more and see if what they say is true meanwhile B is more likely to ellicit a purely emotional response and drive a person to hold on to their belief system more tightly.
The reason this bothers me is b/c educating people is the key to a strong stand against the Islamation of the western world. As far as what Alert said to me, I am not excusing ignorance, but in order to break thru that and educate people, it's impt. to understand why they don't know more of the reality of Islam. Yeah, I know, how can they not know and why don't they just read, but those people need others to teach them. Rather than jump all over people for their ignorance on issues, I try to be patient and understanding so that I can present what i know in a way that they may be more willing to accept. If I let myself get too emotional (and it is hard not to be), then I would end up trying to shove the facts down peoples throats and that isn't very effective. Then they don't want to listen and they shut their ears and their mind.
It's hard enough to teach people about this stuff b/c it's so insane and so backward and so the opposite of the ways of normal thinking people. I try not to overwhelm people and I try to give them time to absorb bits of information so that hopefully they will slowly put it together and see the big picture. At times I feel like I sound like an extreme and paranoid person when I start explaining the facts I know about Islam to people, but you know the truth is stranger than fiction.
So say someone is newly learning about all of this, they come here and they read comments and the first couple they read are ranting about how liberals are ruining the country, etc. you get the idea right? B/c I have read plenty of comments here like that and it's often directed toward liberals, I don't recall ever reading comments like that here about right wing conservatives. It isn't going to persuade anyone to consider your point of view when you just stated something that insulted them. What does that accomplish that is helping fight Islam? What goals does it achieve in educating people?
I'm not saying anyone should censor themselves, but I am pointing out that the message is unlikely to get through to people if you've insulted them before they have a chance to process the info. you have to share with them.
Compare the Gazans' treatment of rare sea turtles to that of Israel. Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
Missy, what we take issue with, especially these last few weeks, is, as you noted, the insane coverage in the liberal media, but also the backing of these psychos in rallies by people like ANSWER, Moveon, ACORN, etc. The Che signs creep us out. Liberal anti-Semitism (which IS the sam ething as anti-Zionism, obviously) has completely unhinged as of late, and I just mean in the last few weeks.
Another issue we have with liberals, and I'm not speaking for everyone, is the unbelievable hypocrisy. One cannot give one iota of concern for women's rights, gay rights, children's rights, animal rights, or the rights of religious or racial minorities, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Parsis, scientists, or even atheists and simultaneously ally oneself with, or even defend Muslims without being a complete hypocrite through-and-through.
Furthermore, given Obama's agenda and every association of his since he was a kid, it is clear that Jewish genocide is a top priority of his. If you cared about women, gays, blacks, Christians, Jews, everyone else, or Western civilization generally you would not be a liberal.
I'm pretty socially liberal, to tell you the truth. I disagree with the right-wing's homophobia and I'm not a big fan of marriage generally. I've also been a vegetarian since 1992. If liberals would fight - rather than pander to, appease, and empower - Islam as an act of autogenocide, I wouldn't have a problem with them. If they weren't hell-bent on exterminating Jews and destroying the West's Judeo-Chritsian heritage, I wouldn't have a problem with them.
The views of the Democratic party deserve no respect, however. As a woman, a Jew, a Middle American, and a hard-working individual, you guys are out to destroy me and my country. I have no choice but to oppose you. When you stop being hypocrites we will stop calling you on your hypocrisy. But if you claim to care about women, gays, blacks, and everyone else, you will not pander to Islam. I'm not doing propaganda for the Republicans. I disagree with many of their views. I think they're too liberal in many ways and too conservative in others. When it comes down to it, I do what I can to oppose jihad, and that means curtailing the liberals.
Also, I hate how they always call me racist because I hold all people to the same standard and believe that everyone should be equal under the law. It's hypocrisy, pure and simple. If liberals were half as open-minded as they claim to be, they would not take issue with attacks on their party. They would decide where they stand based on the issues at hand and align themselves accordingly.
The Republicans are screwing us too. Alert's Conservative-Betrayal Bush Derangement Syndrome is concrete evidence of this. The difference is that we don't take it personally, in patently Islamic fashion, when someone calls them on it. We act like decent human beings, identify the problem, and try to change it rather than hide and deny it. We don't handle it like children caught stealing from the cookie jar.
I think that your heart is in the right place but your vote is not. I oppose liberalism as a matter of survival. Democrats want me dead. It's that simple. You wanna see the fruits of liberalism? Listen to Richard the Lionheart. He's living it.
Missy: Not all folks who are on the left politically support the jihadists.
OTOH, those non-Muslims who DO support jihadists tend to be leftists.
This is true in the USA ; in Canada ; in Europe , and elsewhere.
This probably has some bearing on why people make the type of remarks that you have objected to.
The MSM is a biased piece of shit and out to ruin the free world.
Why do you think that is? Whose agenda are they furthering? It doesn't even matter. They've screwed themsleves because people want actual news so they're not patronizing them anymore. They're going bankrupt, as they should.
Rather than jump all over people for their ignorance on issues, I try to be patient and understanding so that I can present what i know in a way that they may be more willing to accept.
Then you, dear, are not a liberal. That would make you a socially liberal conservative. I don't think that's what you are, however, because you regard, as you have made clear, honest statements of fact as a personal attack, as if you were head of the Democratic party or something. This is typical of liberals, Muslims, and children. They don't deal in facts. They make everything personal.
Liberals think they know everything about everything and almost invariably close themsleves off to actual information. People who speak honestly are labelled 'racist,' like myself. You can't even discuss things with liberals. They, again, in patently Islamic fashion, have no concept of logic. They don't debate or argue logically. They label people as 'hate-mongers' for, for example, not furthering Jewish and Christian genocide or having a problem with the fact that under Sharia all women, little girls, and female babies live their entire lives as sex slaves. That is the kind of statement that would get me labelled as a 'racist' or a 'hatemonger:' an honest assessment of the situation, a clear statement of fact. Liberals don't deal in facts. They deny them, take the truth as a personal affront, and insult people rather than engage them in debate. They hate freedom of speech for this very reason. Their stances don't hold up to scrutiny because they are unbelievably hypocritical.
I don't recall ever reading comments like that here about right wing conservatives.
Then you don't read the comments. Alert's posts usually center upon the way she feels that her party has betrayed her. Did you miss the post on Sunday about Bush denying Israel MOABs and assistance in stopping Iran? You're not paying attention. Stop taking issue with us and work on de-programming other liberals and changing the party from within so that they're not trying to get Jews, Christians, and gays killed.
From above: The MSM is a biased piece of shit and out to ruin the free world.
You're going to light on them...They will take this as a sign of weakness...
Just kidding, I concur with that diagnosis Doctor......
jdamn,
There's nothing I can say since you already know me, and every other liberal out there, so I won't take up anymore of your time. I still believe that many liberals can come to the same page on Islam/Jihad/Israel if they are exposed to the facts on islam.
Thanx for your reply tho' it's certainly interesting.
I try and avoid or low key on this site, any liberal theology, out of respect for RS and site.
I have been in the past the ultimate liberal basher. I was even referred to once as a national treasure...Ain't that a pip?...I was the Father Botros to Liberals. No liberal can keep up because I can turn psychotic at a seconds notice...I learned that technique from Mahoundians.
They do it all the time.
I wrote numerous liberal self help manuals, to assist them with coping with the lassitudes of life. Liberals have lots of lassitudes.
I could go deeper into the subject of Liberology, but I'm already way off topic...Maybe I could write a book...
I didn't mean to bring the topic around to the merits or problems with being liberal, my point was more about how the message of islam being a dangerous threat to the western world is obfuscated when people generalize insults toward groups such as PETA. But please forget it, this is doing nothing to help and we should be rallying together under the common cause which this site is about.
Take Care
Welcome Missy! thanks for posting. I'm also involved in pet rescue and adoption, and I work with feral cats. I've always believed that it is possible to care about humans *and* animals--I don't see any contradiction.
I find this rigging of the Gaza zoo appalling, but not surprising. Jihadists are so perverse. Where decent people see something positive, they so often see another tool for Jihad violence--bulldozers and SUVs are used as weapons in "sudden Jihad syndrome"--deliberately running down innocent people in Jerusalem, or Raleigh, or San Francisco. Cell phone components are used to detonate road-side bombs. Mosques and schools are used as weapons dumps.
The soccer stadium in Kabul was not used for football games or exhibitions, but for brutal mass executions of those who ran afoul of Shari'ah law under the Taliban.
Children's shows--like Gaza's "Tommorrow's Pioneers"--are not used to entertain kids, or to teach them math and reading, but as vehicles to indoctrinate toddlers to hate Jews and Infidels and aspire to kill themselves and others in "martyrdom operations".
Dumbledore's Army wrote:
The detonator was in the zoo; there were explosives in the cages (perhaps the Hamas hoped that the IDF soldiers, being human and compassionate, would go in to offer the animals food and water and get blown up); the fuse ran from the zoo to the school.
.......................
This sounds very likely. Not only are Jihadists themselves perverse, but they so often rely on the basic human decency of those who fight against them. They consider compassion for sick and injured people, civilians, women, children and animals to be nothing but weaknesses that they can exploit.
Missy,
I haven't read every word of the discussion here, but I gather you are unaware that Robert (who runs the website) wrote articles advising against the Iraq war and democratization project in Iraq before the war, not waiting until it became unpopular like Hilary, Biden, Edwards and Kerry. If you read Hugh's commentaries, you will see fierce criticism of the Bush administration for a whole list of issues.
Myself, I am a former moderate-to-liberal Democrat who doesn't identify with either of the parties, and isn't particularly partisan on many of the domestic issues of the day. The reason I am more likely to express hostility toward the left is that on national security, the islamization of America and support for Israel, the left is either openly siding the enemy, overly solicitous of the enemy "perspective" or "narrative," while those less enamored of the jihadists remain neutral or stay quiet so as not to anger their more radical political allies.
It is also things like CNN showing a clip from Hamas children's TV show where they attack a stuffed animal--with Anderson Cooper looking appalled--but rarely, if ever, highlighting the daily incitement to kill Jews. The fashionable left was hysterical about Mel Gibson and his movie, but has nothing to say about the Nazi antisemitism on the streets of America and Europe during the latest protests.
The right has many flaws, especially ignorance when it comes to understanding Islam and greed for Arab oil, but to the extent that there is a strong effort to counter the advance of sharia law, inform America of the danger of the Islamization of Europe and defend Israel, it is the right rather than the left where the support is most likely to be found. And with the exception of Pat Buchanan style paleo-conservatives,it is the left-wing American blogosphere that is full of antisemitic venom.
I hope this might explain both how this website is not another foot soldier in the conservative movement as well as why a middle-of-the-road type might be more sympathetic to national security and anti-jihadist conservatives, while far more angry at the hypocrisy of those on the left who give aid and comfort to Islamists who oppose everything (from women's rights to freedom of speech to equality under the law) that leftists claim to stand for.
...Don't you see a difference? Don't you think that A has a better chance of making someone pause, and think maybe there is something to this, maybe I should reconsider what I think, maybe I need to find out more and see if what they say is true meanwhile B is more likely to ellicit a purely emotional response and drive a person to hold on to their belief system more tightly.
Missy
No doubt you are correct about people rejecting outright criticizm. The very best way to criticize anyone it to make fun or to joke about what they say in a friendly way.
That is why I wrote you a sincere detailed explanation. Some folks don't have the time or inclination to fondly joke about things that need to be criticized. Robert Spencer goes out of his way to do this and keep it light hearted but that is a great challenge with Islam. The barbarianism of Islam brings our the worst in some people at times.
One thing is for sure, whether you tend to be liberal or conservative you will find others like you here. The subject here is Islam and no one here knows how to stop its spread of violence except to identify the enemy properly and eliminate it like we did the Nazis in WWII. The MSM would not go along with that, so we have a very serious problem.
You will note that Europe is engulfed by Islam. They are a perfect example for us NOT to follow. But, right now, we are going down the very same path due to the prevailing notion that pure unfettered Multiculturism is the way to go. This is not good and we all wish we could change this trajectory for our future.
Islam is not healthy for children and other living things.
Including (but not limited to) wild animals ; tame animals (dogs, etc.) ; women ; homosexuals ; followers of other religions ; followers of no religion ; independent thinkers ; and the rebellious.
Missy, you would be amazed at the number of conservitives that are recovering liberals.
The truth, when known, will alway trump indoctrination. Understanding the difference between facts and well documented opinion is a great help in ones own recovery.
The MSM filtering what we hear is bad enough. Being lean on fact and fat with opinion is a crime.
The nice thing about JW is you get both without being confused as to which is which.
Gaza has a Zoo?
I thought this was a place comparable to the Warsaw ghetto, where people were dropping dead in the street from starvation.
Well, if Gaza has a zoo, I would like to make a modest proposal.
Leaders of the more secular Palestinian National rights movement should work on building an amusment park.
Built with the understanding that this "Gaza Disneyland" will be periodically destroyed, its rebuiding will provide employment, and contribute to the economy.
The pictures of exploded childeren's amusement rides will be good propaganda.
The rides themselves can be "vechiles" for propaganda.
There could be "Mr. Yassin's Wild Shahid Ride" where one is conveyed along the career of a suicide bomber.
There is a simulated explosion before entering a final room where heaven is going on.
Or how about the "Peace Process Merry-Go-Round"?
Or the "Whirling Zionists", where childern can ride on the backs of their favorite stereotypical Jewish fiend.
Of course this is silly. Not even the totally corrupt Palestinian rights movement would be so grotesque.
And, to think of it, a menagerie is completely consistant with an ideology that seeks to control, dominate, convert, or destroy all forms of life.
I wouldn't be surprized if above the lion's cage is the inscription - "Allahhu Akbar!"
Larry wrote:
Gaza has a Zoo?
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Yeah. More on the "Heaven of Birds and Animals Zoo", from the Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1218104244751
And here's the story of a lioness stolen at gunpoint from the zoo two years ago by one of Gaza's thuggish drug dealing clans:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/879907.html
If that doesn't feature enough animal abuse, here's a lovely piece on how Gazan children are encouraged to taunt and mistreat animals--I believe the figure in the YouTube video is our old friend Nahoul the Bee from "Tommorrow's Pioneers":
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/08/gaza-zoo-smuggles-lion-cubs.php
Gaza has a Zoo?
Larry
Gaza IS a zoo. This is a place where you see uncivilized barbarians up close as they existed over 1400 years ago. The only problem with this zoo is that there are no fences or other means to keep the animals from harming anyone.
Missy,
One thing to remember is that the West and the USA have not won a real war since WWII. The jury is still out as to whether western countries remember how to win a war anymore. Islam has us in a life and death struggle for survival. If you think not, take a close look at Europe. Europe will most likely fall to Islamization within years. The fight there is ongoing as we speak. I don't mean to put down anyone in Europe because the USA is heading in exactly same direction.
When we fought the Germans, the Japanese, and the other axis powers, we identified the enemy precisely. We fought each enemy based on good judgement and proper winning strategy at the time. The Japanese were the most similiar enemy compared to Islamic enemies. We called them "Japs" in those days. (We called the Germans "Krauts".) It was a war to the death. We burned entire German cities. We nuked the Japanese. We brought them to their knees. They were scared to death of us. Their children were scared to death of us. After they agreed to surrender, totally, and they signed an agreement to that effect, we shook their hand with a smile of help. We then eliminated all Nazis and we required the Japanese God-Man, to be only God. We did not take away their God's divinity but we most certainly removed him from any political power. If it had been Islamists that we had defeated in WWII, I am quite sure we would have outlawed Sharia and all political affiliation of Islam. Islam would have been a religion of worship only with no youth sharia indoctrination or any possibility of them regrouping to militarize their religion as is now the case and was the case with the Japanese before we defeated them. We knew how to fight and win in WWII.
Today, what I see is military and political leaders with excessive hubris and overconfidence. They are proud of our modern sophisticated weapons and relative wealth. But they have never fought a war to the death with a worthy adversary. The wars we have fought since WWII have either been unecessary or ended in stalemate with the enemy still in control. These wars ended without any victory on our part.
With Islam, there will be no stalemate and no end until one side or the other has total victory over the other. That will not happen until Sharia and Islamic political activities cease to exist or until they take over our country, one or the other. Unfortunately, our weak (or corrupt)leaders have shown no intention of taking a winning course, without which we will most certainly lose in time. That is why Islamic countries are so encouraged by our gross ignorance in this war to the finish.
One last thing, a lot of very smart people think that Islam will ultimately succomb to modern secularism. I say that Islam has remained unchanged for 1400 years because it has internal political methods to remain that way through indoctrination of the young and the use of discipline and brutal force against their own. There is no evidence that this has ever happened. So it is just wishful thinking to engage in this kind of thought. Our leaders need to toughen up and get serious about this war. We need a winning strategy and I don't see one coming from our leaders anytime soon.
Rigging a zoo to explode is involving the most innocent victims of them all. The animals.
Not to lessen the fact that they also used a school, but rigging a zoo just goes to show what these "people" (and choke as I use that word)think of innocence of any type.
Hamas is sick and perverted.
I do have to say however, as some others have also mentioned, I haven't noticed animal rights groups making any big stink about this.
gravenimage -
Those are great links.
Of course, the description of the lion's condition makes one want to cringe, and there is also a link to the Gazans' slaughtering an endangered sea turtle that jdamn refered to above.
The other links touch on the tunnel system in Gaza that the Egyptians blow up at a rate of about one a day.
It is through these tunnels that the animals are drugged and dragged in a bag, only to wake up . .in Gaza!
Even through the smugglers are sometimes buried alive, it is reported that they aspire to bring an elephant through one of these tunnels. . for their zoo.