How the mainstream media teaches you to hate Israel

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Old wounds? (From Getty Images)

Perhaps all this is painfully obvious, but the mainstream media has become a full-bore organ of "Palestinian" propaganda. This CNN article is just one egregious example out of many. It goes on for paragraph after paragraph about the civilians wounded in Gaza, with only one skeptical sentence giving the other side of the matter: "Israeli leaders say they are trying to minimize civilian casualties in Gaza." They "say" they're "trying" -- but as the rest of the article shows, obviously they're not succeeding.

What could CNN do if it had any interest in actually being an organ of respectable journalism? CNN reporters could have asked about the Palestinians' admitted use of civilians as human shields. They could have gone to Meshaal and Haniyah and asked why Hamas is launching attacks from civilian areas. They could have asked them if Hamas is, by doing that, trying to provoke Israeli counterattacks that will kill or injure civilians and that can then be used for propaganda purposes. They could have asked why the Palestinians seem to be in such a humanitarian crisis when Israel was sending in truckloads of aid right up until it began responding to the rocket attacks.

Then there is the picture above, which appears online with this article, and is one of an apparently endless series of wire photos depicting wounded children. Of course, CNN wasn't bombarding us with pictures of children in southern Israel wounded by or fleeing from rocket attacks from Gaza, but aside from that, there are some questionable things about this photo. The child, for one thing, although apparently burned badly, is not crying or even distressed. According to a veteran Emergency Room doctor who saw the photo, the wounds appear to be up to 24 hours old, and a dermatologist and pathologist estimated that they could be as much as a week old.

Of course, it's hard to tell anything for sure from a single photo, and maybe this child really has been freshly wounded, but here again -- given all the faked photos and larger-scale (Muhammad al-Dura) fakery we have seen from the Palestinians, it isn't unreasonable to question every photo that comes out of Gaza these days. If CNN were worth its salt as a news source rather than a propaganda organ, it would be going into Gaza and uncovering this fakery. It would be looking into the case of the little girl pictured above, and having her examined by honest doctors to see if she was actually wounded by a recent Israeli strike at all, or if her wounds are older and come from some other incident. And above all, it would be asking about the moral compass of a government that seems anxious to provoke and exploit the suffering of its own civilian population.

But of course, CNN's refusal to do all those things, and to cast any critical eye at all toward the Palestinians and their claims, only encourages the Palestinians themselves to aspire to ever greater heights of manipulative fakery and propagandizing.

And CNN is just one of many.

"Doctor in Gaza: Patients 'lying everywhere," from CNN, January 4 (thanks to Jacques):

GAZA CITY (CNN) -- Gaza's main hospital, already full of Palestinians wounded in the week-long Israeli air assault, reached critical mass on Sunday, according to a Norwegian doctor volunteering at Shifa Hospital.

"We've had a steady stream [of patients] every day, but the last 24 hours has [brought] about triple the number of cases," Dr. Erik Fosse told CNN. "So this day has been extremely busy."

Fosse said he estimated that about 30 percent of the casualties at Shifa Hospital on Sunday were children, both among the dead and the wounded.

The increase in casualties at Shifa followed Israel's's [sic] ground incursion into Gaza, which it launched on Saturday night. Fosse said 50 patients were "severely wounded" when an Israeli airstrike hit a food market in Gaza City.

"We were operating in the corridors, patients were lying everywhere, and people were dying before they got treatment," he said.

Palestinian medical officials said Israeli forces have killed 37 Palestinians -- both civilians and militants -- since moving into the territory Saturday night. With those deaths, at least 485 Palestinians, including about 100 women and children, have been killed since the military operation began more than a week ago, officials said.

In addition, 2,600 Palestinians have been injured, most of them civilians, officials said.

Most of the casualties are a result of the airstrikes that preceded Saturday night's ground incursion. Shifa is the main hospital in Gaza City. Other hospitals were unable to treat the wounded because of a shortage of supplies and staff.

Israel has said the military operation is a necessary self-defense measure after repeated rocket attacks from Gaza into southern Israel by Hamas militants. Israeli leaders say they are trying to minimize civilian casualties in Gaza.

Last week, Dr. Eyad El-Sarraj, a psychiatrist who runs Gaza's mental health program, said Gaza is headed for "a major humanitarian disaster" unless the fighting ends soon.

Meanwhile, at the Gaza-Egypt border, nearly 25 trucks carrying relief and medical supplies were unable to get into Gaza because they could not get through the Rafa border gate, CNN's Karl Penhaul reported.

Egyptian authorities said the guards who were manning the Palestinian side of the border had abandoned their posts. Aid workers and drivers banged on the gate to protest the closure, but the gate remained shut.

On Saturday -- before Israel launched its ground incursion -- old Palestinian ambulances carried some of the wounded across the border, where patients were loaded onto modern ambulances. Most of those taken into Egypt were civilians, including a teenage boy with his arm blown off, as well as a 4-day-old baby, who was not injured but needed to be kept on a ventilator and in an incubator.

About 10 truckloads of donations from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and Greece also crossed into Gaza on Saturday.

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I, for one think Israel should pull their boys out, launch their Arrow SLBM's at Gaza, and call it a day.

If the "Palestinians" want to play with missiles, Israel' gonna win that game every time.

I saw this CNN report earlier. I wrote:

Was CNN reporting from Germany during the Allied fire bombings of German cities? Did CNN report from Hamburg, Berlin, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt.... ?

Marshal of the Royal Air Force Arthur Harris' view was stated when he in October 1943 urged the UK government to be honest to the public regarding the purpose of the bombing campaign and openly announce that:

"the aim of the Combined Bomber Offensive...should be unambiguously stated [as] the destruction of German cities, the killing of German workers, and the disruption of civilized life throughout Germany. It should be emphasized that the destruction of houses, public utilities, transport and lives, the creation of a refugee problem on an unprecedented scale, and the breakdown of morale both at home and at the battle fronts by fear of extended and intensified bombing, are accepted and intended aims of our bombing policy. They are not by-products of attempts to hit factories."

Where was CNN? What did we do before the arrival of Christiane Amanpour?

this biased cnn coverage makes you want to see these reporters sent to jail for poor reporting, and or if the get hurt or worse l dont feel sorry for them, good ridance.

Europe would still be part of the Third Reich had the Allies had to live up to the impossible standards demanded by the media.

Yahoo's home page is now doing it too. They HIGHLIGHT "Fear in Gaza",show a File Copy of a Palestinian woman holding her child(she would gladly give him up to be a suicide bomber).

Read the linked article at the bottom of the Melanie Phillips article here:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3206066/the-real-agenda.thtml

CNN has been particularly outrageous in its coverage.

Here is what the last 40 years should have taught us:

1) The Arabs consistently lie. Nasser lied when he told Hussein that Egypt had destroyed Israel's airforce. He lied when later he told Hussein that the Arabs should claim that it was the Americans and British who helped the Israelis and that was why the perfidious Jews managed to succeed.

2) They lie about what they do -- and what they do is too gruesome to discuss -- to captured Israeli soldiers and airmen. In fact, the world knows this perfectly well. Consider for example how Kofi Annan, despite his own nauseating behavior toward Israel, when some Israeli soldiers were captured (I can't remember if it was Gilad Shalit by Hamas, or the two Israeli soldiers captured by Hezbollah), and he said that "he thought they were still alive." Now, if Israel had captured Hamas or Hezbollah or PLO or Islamic Jihad soldiers (the different groups to which they belong hardly matters, for they are all prompted by the same texts and tenets and inculcated hatred), or if the Americans had captured, as they have, some Al Qaeda operatives, would anyone have to say "I think they are still alive" or "I hope they are still alive." Of course not. Because Kofi Annan at that moment betrayed that even he understood the truth, understood which side was likely to torture or kill (and that is exactly what happened with the two soldiers seized by Hezbollah, and when it was time to send the corpses back, of the soldiers Hezbollah had clearly tortured and mutilated and murdered and then mutilated the bodies some more, Hezbollah merely sent back the ashes, for it didn't want the signs of what it had done to those soldiers to be revealed to the world).

What would Javier Solano, or Kofi Annan, or his successor Ban-Ki Moon, or Migeul d'Escoto Brockmann, or any of the same U.N. or E.U. galere, prefer to be: to be a an Arab soldier, captured by Israel, or to be an Israeli soldier, captured by any Arab group you care to name? Let me add another hypothetical: if given a choice, which would Javier Solano, or Kofi Annan or Ban-Ki Moon or Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann, or for that matter Jimmy Carter, prefer to be: an Israeli or even Jewish civilian walking in Gaza or the Arab-occupied parts of the "West Bank" -- or an Arab walking in Tel Aviv, or Haifa, or Jerusalem?

The unbelievable moral idiocy, and the sheer lying, that goes on, lying in fact whenever CNN or other newsgroups pretend that the Arabs do not have a long history of flat-out lying, of re-cycling corpses (including the corpses of all those who die natural deaths during any campaign, which deaths are then attributed to the monstrously cruel Israelis), and of course also, in settling scores (think of all the "collaborators" that the Hamas men apparently executed at a hospital, think of all those Fatah men, or their families, they may also have not thought twice about killing to swell the ranks of the "civilian" dead. And as for outright staging, well -- just look at the Mohammed Al-Dura case, and to get the complete story, I recommend that by James Fallows of The Atlantic.

What happens when the news reports are so obviously biased is that they create in their most intelligent and well-informed viewers a deep skepticism, by now a deep mistrust, and then there develops, and quite soon, a hatred, deep and abiding hatred, for the obvious nonsense, and obvious lies, and obvious ripped-out-of-context shallowness, of their reports, and the cruelty, stupidity, and viciousness of all those involved in the effort.

The fact that so many children are killed shows how evil the worshipers of Allah can be.

They are launching attacks against Israel from areas where children are present and by so doing are allowing their children to die, when Israeli responds. And then to boot, they accuse the Israelis, who are trying to live peacefully with their neighbors, of targeting civilians, especially children.

Allahs true believers are as evil as the creature himself.

Heck, it would be nice if CNN supported America and our troops the way they support Hamas and Hezbollah.

Many of the filmed reports of the situation on the ground today in Gaza show footage of well-armed Palestinians-often carrying some pretty impressive armaments. Where did they get those from? If they can't afford food and medicine for their impoverished people, why does their leadership waste precious international aid funds on weapons? These are average citizens carrying these weapons too-not police or officials in uniform merely out protecting the neighborhood against looters. Very odd that the dozens and dozens of tunnels criss-crossing Gaza seem only able to bring in armaments-never food or medicine.

"manipulative fakery and propagandizing."

The only one who lays the BS on thicker is Hugh.

Truth
Abdullah Mikail

HAMAS is the elected government of the gaza area. They allowed a formal cease-fire to expire and opened fire. This is the same as a formal declaration of war between two governments. Israel has every right to completely 'occupy' the gaza area.

Abby, fresh in from "thighing" a 2-year old spouts his typical Islam apologetics. My only question posed to you is...what do you do with the pacifier during the act?

Back to the story, it is obvious of the media war against the Israel, yet to date, I cannot figure out why Jewish controlled media in the US and abroad is compllicit in perpetuating this lie.

If, according to Abby and other "moderates" like Amad Sheikh at Muslim Matters, think the entire world and its politics are dictated by the Jews, why is there not a single mainstream media source that heralds the response of Israel as what it is, a survival mode of a country endlessly pushed to its limit of tolerance by Palestine, or more specifically, Islam itself?

I often wonder how bad these injuries are because someone had to have taken the picture
and they obviously allowed a person or child to bleed to death or cry in pain.

If journalist feel that getting the Photo is more important than the Human bleed to death, then we have reached a new low where crimes are only deemed serious if Journalists have nothing to do with them .
I'm refering to making a Choice to not help someone in need in a war zone , and even those death-cult Islamists in Palestine that actually parade a dead child on TV as if they are some kind of trophy to Allah.

Truely sick and twisted bunch of animals , Human-Rights were intended for Humans and not murderous thugs sending kids out as suicide bombers.

Let me squirt some for the poor bloody red handed terrorists that now call themselves Hamas (they called themselves Al Fatah and the PLO in former days)...

Sniff Sniff. There I feel better.

Death to Hamas, and all the rest.

Posted by: awake at January 4, 2009 8:54 PM

And here’s awake with yet another whining self absorbed couch potato arm chair warrior bias projection.

Hey, I know! Why don’t you throw in a good old dose of “Elders of Zion” and spice it up with some 9-11 conspiracy and then tie in some Nazism for good measure…let’s hit all the stereotypes!

I am not a “moderate”, I am just a Muslim…”moderate” is your Orientalist label.

“a survival mode”?

What are you, retarded?

The IDF has nuclear weapons, secure borders, the strongest military in the ME, my taxes and my military backing them up…”Survival mode?”

Man, you are deluded.

Truth

Abdullah Mikail

I just now listened to CNN's Wolf Blitzer interview Her Majesty Queen Noor of Jordan. Noor made this moral equivalence we hear so often, saying there are extremists on both sides; presumably referring to Jewish extremists on Israel's side. She made a pitch for the peace process as a remedy for Islamic terrorism and violence.

Blitzer reminded her of her late husband, King Hussein's reaction to a Palestinian uprising in the Kingdom of Jordan, known as Black September. Blitzer said Hussein took drastic measures to put down the rebellion.

Noor responded that the thing has been (I am paraphrasing) greatly overblown by the media and historians. Has it? I read this in part on Wikipedia:

"September 1970 is known as the Black September (Arabic: أيلول الأسود) in Arab history and sometimes is referred to as the "era of regrettable events." It was a month when Hashemite King Hussein of Jordan moved to quash the autonomy of Palestinian organizations and restore his monarchy's rule over the country. The violence resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of people, the vast majority Palestinian. Armed conflict lasted until July 1971 with the expulsion of the PLO and thousands of Palestinian fighters to Lebanon....."

The violence resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of people. Seems pretty heavy duty to me.

Posted by: joe-six-pack at January 4, 2009 8:49 PM

Joe,

The IDF held cross border attacks blew up areas of Gaza, held collective punishment-blockades, prevented relief supply ships from delivering aid…were these not all acts of war against the Palestinian people DURING THE CEASE-FIRE?

Reality
Abdullah Mikail

"patients were lying everywhere"

A rather ambiguous phrase, since it does not make clear which sense of the verb "to lie" is being used. The clearly intended implication is that "patients lay everywhere"; but I'm sure most JW readers realize the correct meaning is "patients lied everywhere".

The IDF has nuclear weapons, secure borders, the strongest military in the ME, my taxes and my military backing them up…”Survival mode?”

Man, you are deluded.

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at January 4, 2009 9:04 PM

If they used them, this discussion would not be happening. Do you suggest that?

You are not a moderate, good. I agree. Amad has printed the response at MM to show criticism of the "prophet" and Islam in general as "Orientalistic" criticism. Nice angle du' jour.

You are a crude and silly animal, yet an animal nonetheless.

Your tax dollars do nothing ( if you pay them anyway) but to support Islam and the destruction of the US Constitution and the US western existence anyway. I thought we were all clear about that long ago... disabled veteran boy.

Dare you say you prefer Democracy over Allah's law? I didn't think so. When, in between deflowering children because your "prophet" sanctioned it, are you filthy miscreants going to understand?

You cannot defy the reality of your ideology and the words and actions by your co-religionists? You cannot argue the illogical position of Muhammad and Islam to non-believers, your proclamation of benevolent Dawah aside, so why not pack it in already?

If your bloodlustful god was so tough, a true deity, and not simply a figment of that warped raping, pedophile's mind, (whom you idolize), surely he would smite me, right?

Piss off and leave me and we to our eternal damnation, and get back to that cushy "thigh" job you were endeavoring in.

Moron.

When non-Muslims kill Muslims, the cries of outrage pour out from the international community.

On the other hand, when Muslims kill Muslims, it's Tuesday.

Sad state of affairs, even for Muslims, isn't it?

How the mainstream media teaches you to hate Israel
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The above-the-fold headline for the Saturday edition of the Oakland Tribune read, "Israel bombs houses, mosque".

You had to get to the fine print--on an inside page--to find that those targeted houses belonged to senior Hamas members, and that the mosque in question was being used as a weapons cache.

Posted by: awake at January 4, 2009 9:16 PM

Get past the personal invective…you know as well as I you are a do nothing whiner.

Deal with reality once in a while…pull your head out of the sand and take a look around…life is changing…and thus you get this act of desperation from the IDF striking out in the last minutes of the Hawkish US administration…prior to Israeli elections…all this stuff happening now is due to timing…no more rockets, no less, than ever before.

It’s the timing.

Like when the US pressure, albeit covert, pushed the Syrian regular army out of southern Lebanon…what happened next? Intelligent people can add two and two and know that then, just like now, is not a “we have finally had it, and we’re holier than thou, so we regretfully have to “defend” ourselves” type of action.

And read a copy of the constitution Moochy Boy…First Amendment…you’ll read my opinion here until Robert decides he wants to violate free speech.

Peace
Abdullah Mikail

And read a copy of the constitution Moochy Boy…First Amendment…you’ll read my opinion here until Robert decides he wants to violate free speech.

Peace
Abdullah Mikail


Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at January 4, 2009 9:27 PM

I will die for your right to spout your illogical Islamic nonsense, you and it serve a greater purpose than you know.

"Deal with reality once in a while…pull your head out of the sand and take a look around…life is changing…and thus you get this act of desperation from the IDF striking out in the last minutes of the Hawkish US administration…prior to Israeli elections…all this stuff happening now is due to timing…no more rockets, no less, than ever before."

Reality, as it is, Hamas and the animals in the Gaza strip getting their just desserts, will continue. Deal with that, and don't put too much stock into Obama taking a strong stand against Israel...ain't gonna happen dolt boy. You and others bought that bill of goods.

The only changing I see, rightfully, is the boundries of Israel...expanding.

Now about your "thigh" job...what was her name?

I have a dream. I dream of a place where I can assemble all the filth column of the press and academentia into a great pit, and I would shoot them in the knee, and I would bombard those champions of hate with molasses filled balloons, and if technology finds a way, I would bombard them with balloons filled with fire ants. And scorpions.
And I would laugh at them as they cried for mercy.

Abdullah, Islam is going down. You Muslims have attacked the only Black leader with his own day, Dr. Martin Luther King by calling him a house nigga and a coward and Barack Obama Stupid! If only Americans read and the papers printed it. We have it on tape. Abdullah the Cheyenne has never answered any other questions I asked the holy warrior of Allah who prays. Why does a god pray Sura 33:55-56. It says Allah prays. This is an admission by the Arabs who wrote the Quran that Allah is not GOD, but the Devil himself. Bow down to Satan Allah #2.

Posted by: awake at January 4, 2009 9:33 PM

“… don't put too much stock into Obama taking a strong stand against Israel...ain't gonna happen dolt boy. You and others bought that bill of goods…”

Hey Retard,

I am Conservative, I voted for McCain, and I am a Vet, so I already paid a down payment on my own freedom, so, please, do go die for someone else’s…I don’t need you doing it for me.

What idiot in their right mind would think that Obama would get tough with Israel when he appointed a table stabbing psychotic son of a Irgun terrorist who served in the IDF as a "civilian volunteer" as his White House Chief of staff?

“The only changing I see, rightfully, is the boundries of Israel...expanding.”

Rightful has got nothing to do with it…so why don’t you hold that breath, okay?

Remember history...Israel has been here before, and the play always seems to end on an act entirely different than the opening one.

Peace
Abdullah Mikail

Posted by: Jewel Atkins at January 4, 2009 9:38 PM

Sounds great, but also similarly like a day in Allah's eternal hellfire.

So, Abby loves Jews, even though Allah hates them, and abby considers them a protected People of the Book, to live as subserviants of course, to Muslims, but simply hates Zionists and Israel?

Hysterical.

Muslims were too stupid to formulate a workable lie against their hatred for Jews and Christians in the internet age.

Deal with that Abby, that is, when you get a break from zebibah reinforcement, or courting another wife.

..."so, please, do go die for someone else’s…I don’t need you doing it for me."

I promise Abdullah, I will never die for you or your kind. On the contrary, I will fight and die, if need be to destroy you and your kind.

There is a noticable difference their "fellow conservative".

No matter how the Quasi Apostate Abdullah tries to minimize the miserable soul of Allah, it exists for all to see.

Allah's minions are carrying out his ugly edicts in numerous places, including Gaza...

Every child killed where Islam fights, is killed by Allah, every 'Palestinian' killed, where Islam fights, is killed by Allah, every Jew killed where Islam fights, is killed by Allah...Allah the killer, Allah the murderer...Allah willing...And he always is...

AM -- you still haven't answered my question regarding Sex Heaven. Where will you go when YOU die? Do you believe in Sex Heaven? If not, then what do you believe? Your brand of Islam is always so......interesting.

Hi, Awake!!

Check out this video at YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj29Df-fy5M&feature=related
Obama Must Convert To Islam, Or Else.....

Posted by: awake at January 4, 2009 9:45 PM

Why not throw out some more of your tired old projections?

I mean, really, it isn’t like a million others haven’t already recycled the same old stereotypes…the same old garbage.

Your victim complex is not my problem…I have no hatred for people based upon their beliefs…it is just actions that I hate…one cannot stop a person doing evil, one can only hate that they do it.

If the people of a nation do not correct themselves, do not correct their attitudes, do not correct their treatment of other peoples, then the result is usually the same…and this holds true for ALL people, Muslim or other.

A tyrant deserves to be brought down hard, and all of them through out history have been brought down…all of them. It occurs when they accept deviance and disobedience and oppression and tyranny as acceptable national standards…after that point, look for the fall.

Ask yourself what happened to the Ottoman Empire after they supported Austria in an unjust war?

And BTW "if need be" your momma will miss you.

Truth
Abdullah Mikail

Allah the murderer...Allah willing...And he always is...

Posted by: duh_swami at January 4, 2009 9:55 PM

And he always wil be, as long as the world is infested by the denizens of Muhammad, the origin of contemptible sociopathic "human" behavior, and I use that "human" qualifier loosely, very loosely.

Howdy, Champ!

Wild Jew,

The Queen Noor's of the Middle East are the sophisticated, smiling, "reasonable" faces of anti-Semitism. If she was a foaming at the mouth type, she would lose access to so many high profile American and international organizations that honor her and promote her books. She might not be invited to interfaith dialogue sessions. To them, she appears to be a model of moderation, fighting for women's rights and a peaceful ME just like the Little King and his Pali wife. They're all phonies. When push comes to shove, they lie and blame Israel, America and make excuses for Islam just like all the other apologists. Only their mannerisms are more civilized than others in the ME. As Queen, what do she ever do to improve the lives of women, decrease the appeal of sharia or work for a more peaceful world? I mean it isn't as though she or the current King and Queen are powerless to make changes in Jordan. They're only considerations are staying in power; matters of principle and morality only concern them when they can be used in an argument to demonize Israel and its American supporters.

The Hashemite rulers and their women have never made life better for their own people. Their real concern, when Islam gets bad press in the West due to Muslim actions, is to tell Westerners that they don't understand Islam, that problems are tribal rather than Islam, and that Islam respects women, who are making great strides in the Middle East.

Posted by: champ at January 4, 2009 9:56 PM

You short yourself so much on what you think of Heaven.

You seem to only focus on the media you hear that is inflammatory.

Research the hadiths and try not to focus on “what can I dig up that seems inflammatory?”

You’ll be surprised at what you find.

Peace
Abdullah Mikail

"Your victim complex is not my problem."

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at January 4, 2009 9:59 PM

I am not a victim, but rather, a vindicator.

Speaking of eternal victim complex sufferers, more specifically, Muslims, and even more specifically, the terrorist Islamic group, Hamas, and their selfish propogandist sacrifice of their own brethren, Muslims, in their continued political war against Israel in the almost country of Palestine, your's is a most amusing statement.

Take your past US military sertvice, which I challenge in the first place, and stick it straight up your well-traveled ass. You were an infiltrator at best, if you served at all, a fact, I am sure, you conveniently cannot prove either, like all the other blather you put forth here at this site.

Put up or shut up Mike.

AM; A tyrant deserves to be brought down hard, and all of them through out history have been brought down…

That's probably true enough, and includes the mighty Mohammad. A tyrant, brought down by a Jewish slave woman. (At least that's the rumor, poison you know)...

Oh how the mighty have fallen...

The first four Caliphs, tyrants all, fell hard also.

Well, as you stated, they deserved to be brought down hard, so they were...

Sometimes I just don't understand Allah's logic, but I guess we should not question it...He's touchy about that...

The question is why ?
Are they Nazis ? Do they hate where the culture spawed from ?

AM -- I am not the one who came up with the idea of Sex Heaven and you know it. Your answer only serves to show what you think of those who DID come up with the idea. Hmm.

What, can't you give me a straight answer? I have asked you half a dozen times what kind of heaven that "YOU" believe in, and yet you won't answer my question. Your best effort is to give me a project by searching the hadiths, when all you have to do is tell me yourself.

In summary, I guess you are answering my question, because when asked, you never refute Sex Heaven as your final destination. Come on, just give me a 'yes' or 'no' answer to my question. Are you going to Sex Heaven when you die? Yes or No. Easy.

Posted by: champ at January 4, 2009 9:56 PM

You short yourself so much on what you think of Heaven.

You seem to only focus on the media you hear that is inflammatory.

Research the hadiths and try not to focus on “what can I dig up that seems inflammatory?”

You’ll be surprised at what you find.

Peace
Abdullah Mikail

AM is just a joker , he was so sure Mo never hit a woman, but when Robert posted a hadith proving that Mo hit his wife Aisha, he kept denying the truth.

When the Islamic terrorists quit their interminable griping and get on with the business of just living in this world like the rest of us, they will be surprised to find themselves welcomed to the world. Until then, stamp them out like roaches. And CNN, stop this constant stream of pictures of injury and death among Gaza residents. They seem to bring this horror upon themselves by leaving their fates to the hate-filled, ignorant psychos who keep on irritating the giants of the world. expecting sympathy in return for constant killing and terror acts against other, equally, human citizens of peaceful countries.

Posted by: champ at January 4, 2009 9:56 PM

You short yourself so much on what you think of Heaven.

You seem to only focus on the media you hear that is inflammatory.

Research the hadiths and try not to focus on “what can I dig up that seems inflammatory?”

You’ll be surprised at what you find.

Peace
Abdullah Mikail

really? are you folks really having this argument?

the Easter Bunny isn't real, people. so stop fighting about who He said should have a piece of land. this is why wars are being waged, because we're all caught up in our own righteousness.

allah, jehova, yaweh, god, jesus, whatever you'd like to call him... is MADE. UP. BY. PEOPLE.

fake. false. i don't know how else to tell ya'll. you all seem quite intelligent, but rationality seems to have escaped you.

until all you scholars have come down from the mountain where a Magical Being (oooooooh!) secretly told some random Very Important Dude what the purpose of life is, i'll be down here drinkin some lemonade and probably eating some ribs. because they are delicious and god cooked them up for me on his magical propane grill. magic is real!

Posted by: awake at January 4, 2009 10:09 PM

awake,

In the grand scheme of things what you believe doesn’t really matter now, does it?

What I did in the service of our country is in the past...a long time passed since then and now.

No man is an island, and no one does it all by themselves…we often say that there is no “I” in “Team”, but there is a “me….

My team puts up infrastructure, systems, organizations…things that will be here for a long time after both you and I are gone...education, health, welfare, social...things that will be here long after we are both gone.

Tell me what do you do…what do you do, motivated by your beliefs, that benefits anyone other than yourself?

Who do you help, if anyone?

You might have some high brow opinion that you are serving “your” people…but what do you really do?

I am leaning toward “nothing but piss and moan.”

Put up or shut up awake.

Peace
Abdullah Mikail

rajerino...Please address those comments to Abdullah Mikail...He's your guy...


champ...Greetings from the frozen north...Northern California that is...Brrr below 25 tonight...

Abdullah the Quasi Apostate will never give a straight answer about most anything.
He has won no debates, and made no converts...except for insulting kufrs, he is letting Allah down. That's bad for him, good for everyone else...

"In summary, I guess you are answering my question, because when asked, you never refute Sex Heaven as your final destination. Come on, just give me a 'yes' or 'no' answer to my question. Are you going to Sex Heaven when you die? Yes or No. Easy."

Posted by: champ at January 4, 2009 10:27 PM

Let me hop in here Champ. Abby won't directly answer the question because, one, he simply does not know, due to his uncertain personal end. Martyrdom, and all those virgins, are specifically for marytrs, those who physically die waging jihad in Allah's favor. That sexual heaven may not be exclusively for martyrs alone, but it would make sense (as much as Islam is capable of making sense), that it does.

First, it says nothing of eternal rewards for women, and I would wager that women do NOT seek a heaven of eternal sex with virgins as women do NOT on Earth. Far too much schooling required.

Second, the 72 virgins yarn seems like an obvious addendum by Muhammad to his young fighters. An added tale told to his unattached soldiers on the eve of some battle Muhammmad was engaging in.

Human nature dictates, and Bob Dylan wrote that "when you got nothing, you got nothing to lose". Muhammad took that basic human emotion and quite simply, sweetened the pot to suit his needs.

It is an intersting footnote in history, save for the fact of the billion plus Muslim slaves who now subscribe to it, with current demographics and the absolute fact that many, if not all, mainstream Islamic clerics perpetuate this lie.

Another lie by Muhammad, geared in a misogynistic way, towards his male soldiers, with no concern for females. Muhammad...errr... Allah will deal with THEM later.

A better question to Abdullah, which he will not answer either, because Abbdullah is a lying, obfuscating pussy, is not whether HE will enter "sex heaven", but rather what are the parameters for entering "sex heaven", of course, if he believes in "sex heaven" at all.

Abby? Care to weigh in on this one with something substantive besides, research the hadiths? Do you believe in the 72 virgin reward in paradise for martyrs or others?

Please do clarify, oh learned one!

"Tell me what do you do…what do you do, motivated by your beliefs, that benefits anyone other than yourself?"

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at January 4, 2009 10:47 PM

I don't lie about being an American, not simply a citizen, if you are one. I also don't lie about loving the US, the Constitution and the western democratic way of life, not seeing it supplanted by Shari'ah, as you MUST do if you proclaim to be a Muslim.

I also do not lie and say I was in the military without any proof as you do, but then again, you are a Mohammedan and predisposed to lie by trade.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP MIKE! Name, rank and serial number will do.

my bad, swami. sometimes i accidentally like to add fuel to the fire. oops. it's just too easy. and the internet is such a perfect place to spew my random mumbo-jumbo.


what i think everyone here agrees on is that the media definitely has a bias or two and we all must pick and chose what to take at face value and what to go research on our own. and good for all of you (and me?) for doing so!

i'll end on a serious note:
peace.

Posted by: champ at January 4, 2009 10:27 PM

Heaven is a similitude of this life but it is pure and perfect in every way and it is everlasting… there are so many descriptions of it that the subject is too vast to cover in a post here.

Think of it like this, tell me about the universe…ALL of it.

But I just want to pin you down and get you to admit that a quasar is a part of that Universe…so tell me, is a quasar the whole universe?

Or is it just one tiny interesting part of it?

No one knows what place they are going to go to.

Outside of what some believe are a short list of people described by the Prophet as those who were going to go to heaven…I think there were ten on the list.

Here is a hadith that describes the heaven that the last person reprieved from hell will have as being “ten times all that is in the world”:


It is narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari that Abu Hurayrah said that Prophet (SAW) said:

'The last man to enter paradise is a man who is between Paradise and Hell Fire but facing the Hell Fire. This man had accumulated an amount of bad deeds that warrants him to be punished from Allah (as He wishes) before he is granted entrance to Paradise.

The man says to Allah

'Oh Allah, turn my face away from hell, for its smell, sight and extreme heat hurts me.'

So he supplicates to Allah (SWT)

And Allah (SWT) replies

'If I fulfill your supplication will you not ask anything more from me?'

So the man replies

'No my Lord, I promise I will ask nothing more of you'

So Allah grants his wish and turns his face away from the fires of Hell so that the man faces paradise.

The man will then fall into a state of silence, before saying

'Oh Allah, take me closer to the doors of Paradise or closer to Paradise.'

Allah replies

'Didn't you promise that you would ask nothing more from me? Oh son of Adam, how you break your promise!

The man replies with more supplications until Allah says

'If I fulfill your supplication will you not ask anything more from me?'

And the man says;

'No by your greatness I promise I will not'

So Allah grants his wish and places him at the doors of Paradise.

So when the man is stood in front of the doors of Paradise, they will open to reveal the bounty and happiness within.

Once again, the man will fall into silence before saying to Allah (SWT)

'Oh Allah, let me enter Paradise'

to which Allah (SWT) replies

'Didn't you promise that you would ask nothing more from me? Oh son of Adam, how you break your promise!

The man replies

'Oh Allah, I am the unluckiest of your creations'
After this statement, the man supplicates continuously until Allah (SWT) permits him access to the gardens of paradise.

When the man enters Paradise, Allah (SWT) asks him to wish for what he desires and Allah grants his wishes and more.

So Allah (SWT) tells him this is for you and ten times all that is in the world.

END OF HADITH

So, champ, I am not avoiding your question, I simply can not do justice with a proper answer in this medium.

Describe for me ten times what the world holds...and you have just touched upon what was given to the last person reprieved from Hell...the one who deserved the very least reward of all.

Suffice to say, if a person loved eating, or fishing, or sunsets, that they would be allowed in Heaven all the pleasures of food, sport, or beautiful scenery that their hearts desired as a reward for God...all that their hearts desired.

It is said that the Believer will find in God what he thinks of God. I hope that God will give guidance to you and others, and I hope that God will bring peace to those who suffer fear and harm from the aggression of others, whether they be Israeli, Palestinian, or other...it doesn't matter...

As far as awake and his obtuse opinions...well, you can't really blame the ignorant for their ignorance, but you can blame them for insisting on ignorance...the information is out there for those who honestly seek the truth.

Peace
Abdullah Mikail

rajerino...Your post was not bad, you are entitled to your opinion...The reason I suggested you address it to Abdullah is that this site has free speech, so Abdullah is entitled to your opinion.

Especially this part: allah, jehova, yaweh, god, jesus, whatever you'd like to call him... is MADE. UP. BY. PEOPLE.

Abdullah would be interested in the beginning and end...Allah-MADE. UP. BY. PEOPLE....

Particularly Mohammad people...

Thanks...

Posted by: rajerino at January 4, 2009 11:01 PM

On a serious note: get to the side of reality in this conflict between Islam and all things non-Islamic, specifically Hamas and Gaza in this case. You can certainly be an atheist and not devoid of logic.

You can see the obvious here, can't you? C'mon, I am depending on you.

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at January 4, 2009 11:13 PM

Nice long-winded avoidance, with an apology, to the question posed by Champ and myself. Where did this ludicrous thought of 72 virgins as a reward for Allah's martyrs come from then?

...or did Robert just make that up?

*laughing my ass off at your attemted disingenuity coming across as sheer stupidity?*

This is not a good game for you Abby, logic that is. Simply slam your head on the ground five times a day and repeat after me...I hate all non-muslims. It is far easier that way. :)

Like I said people, Abdullah is a liar and an obfuscator. He will not answer any questions about his "religion" here because the answers are far too gruesome for infidel ears.

Nice try, again, asshole.

The only one who lays the BS on thicker is Abdullah Mikhail.

Cuddles
iwojimateddybear

AM: well, you can't really blame the ignorant for their ignorance, but you can blame them for insisting on ignorance...the information is out there for those who honestly seek the truth.

All the swell information on the 'truth' of Islam does not change the reality of Islam.

Information is just information...My information against your information...

Reality is dead bodies...

And not just the ones created by Israel, and the west, and not the ones created in just the last week.

Islam has a larger pile of dead bodies than any political entity in history.

Others piled up dead bodies also, but none of those despots lasted as long as Islam or stayed active in the dead body business as long as Islam.
So even though some of these piles are substantial, all pale next to Islam in the body count...

Islam is the only religion at this time who is in the dead body business...Paradise is not heaven, it's a mortuary...That's reality...All your 'information' can't overwhelm that.

Insults are all that's left...Let's here it from the peanut gallery...Yeaaa...

Truth/peace and Babaloo...

Swami

AM -- thanks for your reply, but my question was specific to Sex Heaven; and as awake pointed out, the way with which someone attains this type of heaven. Do you believe that there is a Sex Heaven? Yes or No. And how do you get there? Or is this one aspect of Islam that you disagree with?

Greetings, duh_swami! Is there snow outside your house? I LOVE the snow!! Throw me a snowball.....:-)

Now don't laugh; this is a serious question.

How come so many of the babies & little ones that are trotted out as injured in photos are naked, or (as in one case yesterday) the child's pants are pulled slightly down, but otherwise the child is dressed?

I find that...weird. I mean, are they thinking we believe their clothes get blown off?

I just want to clarify some things that may be offensive to some people. When using the term 'Allah" you should know the literal translation for it is "God". So if you are using a word like that in improper sentences it is disrespectful to Christians, Jews, Muslims, and any other religions who believe in God.Ohh yeah and regardig the term "Jihad" it just literally translates to "to struggle". That could mean trying to be a better student or even trying to be the best person you can be.

Also, the Israel/Palestein conflict started long ago, around 1917. Well here's a direct quote, it's easier to explain this way.


" The problem goes back to well before the Holocaust. In 1917 the British government promised the Jews a "national home" in Palestine, which was under Ottoman (Turkish) rule. British forces were advancing into the region at the time. There were problems.

* It was unclear what "national home" meant.
* The area was already inhabited by Arabs.
* There was a widespread view among Arabs that the Palestinians had been promised independence by Britain.

So when Britain gained control of the Holy Lands, there were all the ingredients for serious trouble. After all Britain seemed to have promised the same territory to two groups of people! "

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_the_Israel-Palestine_crisis_start

Now that you guys know this information you should be able to conclude that the Arabs/Palestinians were not willing to give the land they inhabited to anyone in the first place? So why does anyone else have the right to inhabit it?
Since, it was the taking of the Palestinian land
which had caused the whole conflict, isn't Palestine basically using self-defense as much as Israel is?
(*if you want to see how the land has changed over time look at this map**http://sabbah.biz/mt/wp-content/palestine_olmert_plan_maps.jpg
)

And after looking at some of the comments it would be better if we could all try not to be so offensive. It really just hinders without adding any effect.
And please try and be conscious when you are completely stereotyping a group of people. For example some one had said "[The]Palestinian woman holding her child(she would gladly give him up to be a suicide bomber". That is not only offensive and stereotyping it's also dehumanizing to imply that a mother does not care for her child. It's just wrong.

Thanks alot

Zaid M.
P.S. you can email me with any comments

I just want to clarify some things that may be offensive to some people. When using the term 'Allah" you should know the literal translation for it is "God". So if you are using a word like that in improper sentences it is disrespectful to Christians, Jews, Muslims, and any other religions who believe in God.Ohh yeah and regardig the term "Jihad" it just literally translates to "to struggle". That could mean trying to be a better student or even trying to be the best person you can be.

Also, the Israel/Palestein conflict started long ago, around 1917. Well here's a direct quote, it's easier to explain this way.


" The problem goes back to well before the Holocaust. In 1917 the British government promised the Jews a "national home" in Palestine, which was under Ottoman (Turkish) rule. British forces were advancing into the region at the time. There were problems.

* It was unclear what "national home" meant.
* The area was already inhabited by Arabs.
* There was a widespread view among Arabs that the Palestinians had been promised independence by Britain.

So when Britain gained control of the Holy Lands, there were all the ingredients for serious trouble. After all Britain seemed to have promised the same territory to two groups of people! "

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_did_the_Israel-Palestine_crisis_start

Now that you guys know this information you should be able to conclude that the Arabs/Palestinians were not willing to give the land they inhabited to anyone in the first place? So why does anyone else have the right to inhabit it?
Since, it was the taking of the Palestinian land
which had caused the whole conflict, isn't Palestine basically using self-defense as much as Israel is?
(*if you want to see how the land has changed over time look at this map**http://sabbah.biz/mt/wp-content/palestine_olmert_plan_maps.jpg
)

And after looking at some of the comments it would be better if we could all try not to be so offensive. It really just hinders without adding any effect.
And please try and be conscious when you are completely stereotyping a group of people. For example some one had said "[The]Palestinian woman holding her child(she would gladly give him up to be a suicide bomber". That is not only offensive and stereotyping it's also dehumanizing to imply that a mother does not care for her child. It's just wrong.

Thanks alot

Zaid M.
P.S. you can email me with any comments @ zaidmulk@gmail.com

LOL, Awake! A long-winded avoidance is a way better response, I was just being tactful.

CNN JUST OUTDID THEMSELVES!

Anchor Don Lemon , after repeatedly TEASING about a piece on "Innocent Civilians Caught in the Middle " did a PALLYWOOD Special: a Woman named Leila Haddad ,a Palestinian blogger in Raleigh,N.C., her Father, a Dr. Haddad in Gaza,and Lemon , all on TOGETHER.


PURE ,UNADULTERSTED PROPAGANDA HOW "TOUGH"THINGS ARE ON THE GAZANS.

Lemon was DHIMNI Personified!

Of Course Cnn didn't even attempt to show Israelis UNDER ATTACK from Hamas in Gaza.


All of their Teasing about "Innocents",followed by a Palestinian Soap Opera ,is Cnn's ATTEMPT to SUBLIMLY Fool people that the "Poor" Palestinians are the Victims,when the ONLY THING THEY ARE VICTIMS OF IS THEIR OWN ISLAM MOTIVATED Never-Ending Attacks on Israel and Israelis.

Greetings, duh_swami! Is there snow outside your house? I LOVE the snow!! Throw me a snowball.....:-)

Posted by: champ

We had snow, but none now, just cold...Jan and Feb are the rainy season but we get snow as early as November, and as late as May. Snowfall is erratic in the foothills, sometimes none other times a lot...Next time we have snow, I will throw a snowball in your direction...

Thanks, Swami!

Posted by: Zaid M. at January 4, 2009 11:35 PM


Well, well Zaid M, thanks for sharing. Lets start with a few corrections, shall we?

" The problem goes back to well before the Holocaust. In 1917 the British government promised the Jews a "national home" in Palestine, which was under Ottoman (Turkish) rule. British forces were advancing into the region at the time. There were problems."

There were? Really? What were they? What problems arose about a country that was not yet established?

Zaid
"So when Britain gained control of the Holy Lands, there were all the ingredients for serious trouble. After all Britain seemed to have promised the same territory to two groups of people!"

It sounds like an early two-state solution, later implemented in 1948. What is the problem there? You got something against peaceful co-existence?

Zaid
"Now that you guys know this information you should be able to conclude that the Arabs/Palestinians were not willing to give the land they inhabited to anyone in the first place? So why does anyone else have the right to inhabit it?"

Hmmm. Jews in Jerusalem predated Muslims by at least 700 years, therefore after Islamic plunder, and the expulsion of Jews and Christians from Jerusalem, Muslims have eternal divine rights to a land that was not historically theirs, but taken via warfare? That is akin to saying that if the US takes over Mecca tomorrow and inhabits it, that Arabs no longer have any vested interest there. Is that what you are saying?

Zaid
"And after looking at some of the comments it would be better if we could all try not to be so offensive. It really just hinders without adding any effect."

Yes, I agree, by all means, heaven forbid that we get "offensive" with words. And I take it, in your estimation, that Hamas lobbing rockets into civilian areas in Israel during an official cease-fire is NOT offensive?

Zaid
"And please try and be conscious when you are completely stereotyping a group of people. For example some one had said "[The]Palestinian woman holding her child(she would gladly give him up to be a suicide bomber". That is not only offensive and stereotyping it's also dehumanizing to imply that a mother does not care for her child. It's just wrong."

Well, we have a glut of video examples of just that very proclamation by Palestinian women on the internet and acxted out in real life. Offending, yes, but not to Muslims. Are you suggesting that Palestinians, men, women and children do not turn to suicide bombing, or are you merely offended at that absolute truth?

Either answer reflects poorly upon you, by the way.

And also, I think you need a freshener on your definition of jihad. Do you deny that jihad COULD mean waging war against infidels in the name of Allah and Islam?

Didn't think so.

Thanks for trying though.

EPIC FAIL

champ,

I have not done any research on the "72 virgins" thing as it doesn't interest me at all. I will say that I find from media reports referring to it, that it seems to me most often used by nefarious people to induce young men to commit things they would be better advised not to do.

There may well be an error in the understanding of the meaning of an Arabic phrase mentioning “seventy of something”.

This form of expression may not be a literal meaning, but may be used as an expression of magnitude or an embellishment…a sort of “you look like a million bucks” kind of thing…and we all know that the translations of the meaning are often pulled out of context and misused.

So I really don't know anything about your "sex heaven" to which you refer.

If you did not learn anything from my long winded post to you I don't think any answer from me will be useful to you.

Truth
Abdullah Mikail

from awake the epic "dumb ass",

"and the expulsion of Jews and Christians from Jerusalem"

The Romans did this long before anyone else.

Truth
Abdullah Mikail

"I will say that I find from media reports referring to it, that it seems to me most often used by nefarious people to induce young men to commit things they would be better advised not to do."

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at January 4, 2009 11:55 PM

Indeed, sayeth the liar. You know nothing about the historical precedence of this concept in Islam? Liar. I explained it perfectly to you.

I believe the "nefarious people" you are referring to are mainstream Islamic scholars.

Your half-way home Abby. Now that you have no "interest" in it, do you REJECT it?

From Post above: Ohh yeah and regardig the term "Jihad" it just literally translates to "to struggle". That could mean trying to be a better student or even trying to be the best person you can be.

Every regular poster on this site is an adept at Islam if not an outright scholar...Jihad as an 'inner struggle' will get you nowhere here,
that subject has been dealt with numerous times.

The literal translation is Al-lah 'The God'...Two words not one...'God', and 'Allah' are only interchangeable by fraud...

The use of the name Allah is an insult, but we put up with it because Allah is the chief cook and bottle washer of Islam...And jihad is the main course in Allah's diner, and mortuary...

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at January 4, 2009 11:58 PM


Abby, why be an incorrect obtuse asshole any longer. The former Holy Roman Empire is the heart of the seat of Christendom today. Rome before historical Christian influence around 300 AD, well before the raping, murdering desert warlord of Islam came into play, was a prime example of those tyrannical despots that you supposedly have no problem in seeing their demise, like the corrupt Islamic regimes all throughout the Middle East.

You're. embarassing yourself now.

For grins and giggles, since you don't know about the 72 virgins of Islam, or rather, they don't "interest" you, what was the name of the Roman despot that allowed Christianity to be practiced around 313 AD?

M-O-R-O-N.

Awake: what was the name of the Roman despot that allowed Christianity to be practiced around 313 AD?

I think I know the answer to that. But I will wait and see if I am right, when Abdullah googles it.

AM -- perhaps 72 virgins does not interest you personally, but I find it hard to believe that you've never heard of the notion of Sex Heaven before; and your prior long-winded answer simply did not address my question regarding Sex Heaven, which is why it seemed "long winded".

Anyway, I just spent five minutes researching 72 virgins and Islam, and this is what I found:

72 Virgins
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An artist impression of the 72 virgins. Quran, hadith and Islamic scholars mention that virgins will be awarded to Muslims in heaven.Note: This article is not about the Hebrew film 72 Virgins (2003)
In Islam, the concept of 72 virgins (houri) refers to an aspect of paradise. In the Sunan al-Tirmidhi (Volume IV, Chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah", chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven", hadith 2687) by Imam at-Tirmidhi states that:

"It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad PBUH saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a."[1]
This concept is also quoted in the Tafsir ibn Kathir (Qur'anic Commentary) of Surah, the work of Ibn Kathir (Qur'an 55:72). Orthodox Muslim theologians such as al Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and Al-Ash'ari (died 935 CE) have "admitted sensual pleasures into paradise". The sensual pleasures are graphically elaborated by Al-Suyuti (died 1505 ), Koranic commentator and polymath. He wrote:

"Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetising vaginas."

If I can find this information in rather short order over the internet, and I'm not even a Muslim, then how is it that you've never heard of it, someone who IS a Muslim?

Posted by: duh_swami at January 5, 2009 12:13 AM

I ate Abby's lunch.....again. Easy pickin's debating an enslaved and ignorant mind. He ALWAYS loses.

I grow tired and will retire shortly. Please, friends, take up the good fight and outlast him after I depart, for he is a resilient slave in terms of endurance.

Swami,

Hint:
I guessed on the actual year but was absolutely correct.

Peace.

Posted by: champ at January 5, 2009 12:19 AM


Champ,

You are surprised that Abdullah is a liar?

No, Awake, I guess I enjoy proving that he is one.

Champ,

Does Abdullah not worship the father of lies, Muhammad?

War is deceit sayeth Muhammad, but I suppose Abby will tell you he is not "interested" in that either.


Abdullah wrote:

"The IDF held cross border attacks blew up areas of Gaza, held collective punishment-blockades, prevented relief supply ships from delivering aid…were these not all acts of war against the Palestinian people DURING THE CEASE-FIRE?"

Are you seriously saying that the IDF attacked gaza DURING THE CEASE-FIRE? Could you please name your sources?
Or is it another "the Hindus did it because the Mumbai terrorist had a string on his left hand?

You’ll be surprised at what you find.

Peace
Abdullah Mikail

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at January 4, 2009 10:02 PM

Looking at muslim barbarism from Middle-East to Mumbai, noone is surprised that it comes from Mumammad, the first known terrorist.
Rest is history.

Abdullah does not lie...He only bends the truth a little...Ok a lot...

There are no straight lines in the world of the truth bender. That's why their arguments seem to wander all over. But they are not lost, just on a crooked road. That crooked road is called Islam.
It will not take them to heaven...The crooked road of Islam only has one direction...down.

Well,debating with muslims is futile.These are brainwashed entities devoid of logic or reason.
The bottom line is that Israel is fighting for all of us.
As things stand today,this is another extension of a war against the rest of the World by Islam.We should watch it closely and learn,as will our violent enemy.
Go Israel,blood is the price of freedom.

"Doctor in Gaza: Patients 'lying everywhere": You are wrong, the headline is objective. The author used the verb 'to lie' in the sense of 'not to tell the truth'. And all Gazans are really patients, mental mostly.

I see that AM has hijacked another thread. He must wear a steel cup to able to survive all the pummeling he takes and still keep coming back for more.

As a further proof of the Crescent News Network's slipshod reporting, we have this absolutely wonderful contradiction within the same story:

First we have:

Meanwhile, at the Gaza-Egypt border, nearly 25 trucks carrying relief and medical supplies were unable to get into Gaza because they could not get through the Rafa border gate, CNN's Karl Penhaul reported.

But in the same story, this appears:

About 10 truckloads of donations from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and Greece also crossed into Gaza on Saturday.

So what is the truth CNN? Is aide is getting through or not? Oh, and how about a paragraph (or two) about the aide from those evil Israelis that continues to pour across the border in spite of the conflict? Any word on this? No, I didn't think so.

Please, are there any adults in charge of news networks anymore?

No Adults in charge of the cable news networks anymore....... only the has beens and rejects from the MTV generation, I hate to say.......

And their bosses seem to be from the "Flower Power" generation, "Top Brass"...gives them orders....

That's what constitutes news today, at least on cable......

Just my Opinion.....

Guys

Don't.feed.trolls

You know, BBC and CNN need bloody pictures to sell their stories. No matter what’s at stake! Where is Christian Amampour indeed?

The stupid Arabs of Gaza wanted to play soft ball with their Kassam firecrackers raining down on Israel?

Well the game is on!

Let us play real hard ball and see the results!

Stupid Arabs!

"just want to clarify some things that may be offensive to some people. When using the term 'Allah" you should know the literal translation for it is "God". So if you are using a word like that in improper sentences it is disrespectful to Christians, Jews, Muslims, and any other religions who believe in God"

Posted by: Zaid M


allah translates into God only if you believe your God would choose as his Prophet on earth, a cruel, heartless, murdering, lying, thieving, slave owning, child raping, warmonger. Do you really believe a true God would choose such inhuman garbage as his Emissary? If you really want to clarify it, switch the word God for Satan.

I saw the picture in the CNN article and also saw this. To me it looks like the same child. Is he being paraded around as the poster child for the Palestinian children?

http://apnews.myway.com/image/20090104/MIDEAST_ISRAEL_PALESTINIANS-4.sff_JRL192_20090104124905.html?date=20090104&docid=D95GJRCG0

CNN has shown itself to have as much credibility as Wikidpedia...I never use either one.

It is disgusting that the MSM likes to show us battered children at every opportunity...It's a form of brainwashing, designed deliberately, to make Israel look as bad as possible.

Most people are not aware that their intelligence is being insulted by these insidious attacks on their senses...

But Mohammadans are aware of it, Hamas in this case, and play the MSM like a violin, the MSM, being essentially retarded, dances to whatever tune Islam is playing.

He who dances must pay the fiddler...Mentally impaired kufrs have been dancing and paying the jizya, but have not yet got the hard slap on the back of the neck, and are not quite yet feeling subdued...But that is coming...911 was such a slap, but most Americans mis-understood the lesson, and are not yet subdued...So another slap may be necessary.

lot of hue and cry about casualities ...click on this link below to read the casualties suffered by Palestians at the hands of Pakistan / Jordan

http://letusbuildpakistan.blogspot.com/2009/01/role-of-general-zia-ul-haq-in-events-of.html


They deserve it and more is to come for them in all parts of the world

What is required here is that we unite and start a propaganda war ...just like them ...everytime there is a major terrorist attack in the world and exhort all to kill Muslims ...just like them ...

What distinguishes us from them is their unity for a wrong cause ....and we dont unite ...even in the interest of self - preservation..

The word "god" is a common name.

There have been about one million gods invented by humans since prehistoric times.

All the planets surrounding earth are named after some of these gods.

Allah was al-ilah, the popular moon god of the arabian tribes, emprisoned in the ka'aba of Mecca, before Mohammed invented islam. He needed this popular guy among the Arab tribes to boost his new religion.

RELIGION IS BULLSHIT! PIGSHIT IN ARABIA! COWSHIT IN INDIA! DOGSHIT IN IRAQ-SYRIA! MONKEYSHIT IN IRAN! HOLYSHIT EVERYWHERE ELSE!

Yahoo akbar!

"Ohh yeah and regardig the term 'Jihad' it just literally translates to 'to struggle'."
posted by Zaid M

Oh yeah and regarding the term "kampf" it translates to "struggle", so "Mein Kampf" just means "My Struggle".

Zaid M...Is another hit and run artist...drop a bomb and take off for safer ground.

At least Abdullah sticks around a while and takes his lumps...he must like lumps, he keeps coming back for more. I don't know what Abdullah looks like, but I bet he has lumps and bruises all over his body...We need a glutton for punishment award...

Kev1972....That is the same child..........Same forehead injury, same jacket...LIARS...PREVARICATORS...CNN and MSM
INCLUDED...

Hamas Propaganda Theater, produced by western media...Israel should ban CNN and any other hostile or stupid dhimmi media sources from Israel...Throw the bums out...Continue to smash Hamas...

Robert should post those baby pictures side by side, as an illustration of 'Palestinian' emotional fraud...

Economically Palestine is a failed state and if it wasn't for aid, (11% from US and Canada, 53% from Europe and 20% from Arab nations) it couldn't exist. The Palestinian aid programme for 2008 to 2010 is 7.7 billion USD. The Israelis only have to close the border for a day and a crisis situation develops. And what do we get for our investment? Terrorism, rocket attacks on Israel and Islamic propaganda. Nothing of any value comes out of Palestine. They have no oil or produce of any kind that can be exported nor do they have the will do build an economy. It is a typical example where Islam crushes the human spirit and believers oppress each other to toe the Islamic line.

Hamas has it coming!

Israel left Gaza in 2005, so there IS NO OCCUPATION! What did the Palestinians do after that, let's see, they elected a terrorist group whose charter explicitly calls for Israel's destruction, they either fired the rockets themselves, or allowed to be fired THOUSANDS of rockets at Israel. You know, the guys who got out of their territory?

Hamas fired during a cease-fire. Um, that seems wrong to me.

They deserve every razed building, destroyed mosque/ammo dump, every death, even civilians, because Hamas are absolute cowardly whiners who hide behind women and children, and then cry when those women and children die.

Hamas is completely and soley responsible for any civilian deaths in Gaza.

I say Israel should just annex the place and leave a smoking crater.

That's what they would do to Israel if they could...

WHERE'S YOUR ALLAH NOW? How come he always lets Israel win? Hmmm.....

Oh, yeah, and Muhammad was a wretched human being and I really do feel sorry for the enslaved zombies who think he's perfect.

I've been reading jihadwatch for a number of years, and I couldn't agree more with the views of Spencer and Fitzgerald. I agree with Hugh's commentary to Spencer's post here.

But Hugh's commentary is also a good example of the extreme pain I experience when I read his writings, and sometimes Robert's as well. Because they employ horrible grammar. They avoid using periods as if there was a tax on them.

Compound and run on sentences make their contentions hard to follow. One must sometimes read them more than once to follow the train of thought. I've proofread many drafts from many people in my work. Some people cram a half dozen ideas into one paragraph. Hugh tries to do that in one sentence!

Study the cogent style of a Charles Krauthammer. Ignore the content. I know you don't agree with him half the time. Just note the effectiveness of the short sentence. One idea per sentence is all that I ask. Please.

I don't know what Abdullah looks like, but I bet he has lumps and bruises all over his body...We need a glutton for punishment award...

Posted by: duh_swami

LMAO, duh_swami!!! That was great!! Yeah, he must be under a doctor's care at this point, LOL!

I just want to clarify some things that may be offensive to some people. When using the term 'Allah" you should know the literal translation for it is "God".

I am so weary of that weak argument.
You can call a can of peas "god", but it doesn't make it so.
Allah is NOT the same in purpose and nature as the Biblical God.
Not every man named John is the same man. There are millions of men named John.
Platypus is right about the origins of "allah", then he takes off into a rant.

gary krasner , just read the content.
Thank God for RS and Hugh.

Heh heh
http://www.crownvic.net/cowman/spelling.jpg
couldn't resist it.

The really sick thing is that there simply are no "Palestinian" children. This is not the Western perspective. It's the Arab persective. No, there are only terrorists in training and human shields.

Can we please start referring to all injured "Palestinian" children as "human shields" or "victims of 'Palestinian' barbarity," since they were intentionally placed in the line of fire by those infanticidal, human-sacrificing monsters?

There are no "Palestinians" and they don't have any children.

Gary Krasner, it's called a "subordinate clause." I have never caught either Hugh or Robert using run-on sentences. I once caught Hugh not using a closing parenthesis, but the sentence still wasn't a run-on. You wouldn't last five minutes as an Italian. Try reading D'Annunzio. He regularly wrote 8-page-long sentences, none of them run-on.

No Mr. jdamn, I'm not referring to subordinate clauses----which are fine in moderation. I'm talking about LONG sentences with more than one idea or point being made. And it comes down to length and degree. Every other sentence is long, with subordinate clauses within subordinate clauses.

I've been reading Robert and Hugh for at least 3 yrs. Maybe longer. There are so many examples of what I'm referring to---especially by Hugh----that I feel no obligation to provide you with example after example. There was one entry several weeks ago by Hugh in which he was giving a fine background of the middle east conflict. It was a great essay, as far as content and caliber of his arguments. But I had to stop reading it out of shear annoyance. His long, convoluted sentences were simply anoying to read.

The aim of a writer and advocate is to make it easy for the reader to digest your ideas. I can't tell you how many articles by Robert and Hugh I would have posted to friends, if not for this problem.

Contain your impulse to defend them. This is constructive criticism. Given the risks, they are courageous for what they write. I WANT them to succeed with their message that jihad is based on the theological, and not the political. If you do to, you would add your voice to urge them to be more effective communicators.

Ah, gary krasner, I know what you're sayin', but - Hugh's posts are poetry (in their own way, of course).

If I have to re-read a sentence here and there (and I do), so be it. Sure beats trying to get through Saramago...

I wasn't defending Hugh just to defend him or out of loyalty, but because I actually really like his writing style. Like I said, it's very Italian, which is what I like that about it, aside from the fact that he makes good points and sometimes gives me a nice reading list. I know which post you're talking about, too. That was remarkable, even for Hugh. Robert's sentences aren't even that long. I admire both Robert's knack for saying a lot in a very concise manner and Hugh's capacity for clause arrangement.

Where I am CNN is the only US "news" channel available on my provider. I watch BBC but, other than name, it is about the same. I am waiting for Larry King to have Michael Moore on again, like he does about once a week, so we can get Mike's take on the situation, not that I would watch it. If any one wants a different venue regarding this go to:

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/01/04/global-protests-for-palestine/

and make some comments. They show a few select photos and then expect one to believe that this demonstrates world opinion about this issue.

You're not going to believe this one: Moore is accusing Israel of blowing up a welding truck and saying it was full of Grad rockets.

I have complete confidence in the Mossad. They identify their target and they hit it. The truck in question is no doubt on the IDF's YouTube channel, and there are surely secondary tertiary, quaternary explosions, ad infinitum.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=12967

Video evidence is too inconvenient for Judeophobic libtards.

Perhaps I should have spoken up at the time I saw the most aggregious examples of long compound sentences by them. But at the time, I had difficulty logging in to make comments. It could have been my browser----not sure.

At any rate, we may have an honest disagreement here. As with politics itself, it all comes down to sensibility. I write columns for Americandaily.com as well as health issues. Even though I know short, digestible essays are more likely to be read, I often end up wrting 5,000 or 10,000 words. I can't help that with some issues. But I have succeeded in fighting my natural impulse to write too many long sentences with subordinate clauses.

I can write them, to be sure. I can make them grammatically correct. No one can use the em dash better than me. But as I'm recommending Robert and Hugh, it's better to resist that inclination. Yes, it takes more space and more effort, but more sentences that say less are easier on the reader. They don't mind complex ideas. They just prefer them in bit-sized form. By the time they get to the end of a sentence, they wish to remember the point being made when it began!

I'm not an expert in grammar. I just know what works. So I'll make this offer to my friends who feel differently about this. I have two experts in grammar who are members in my state coalition. One of them is an English professor who teaches writing in college. I can show her an example of what we're talking about and get her impression. Is it effective communication or not?

But I'll only bother her if Hugh is open to making a change. If he's like you guys and feels sentences should be wonderfully complex and inscrutable, then what's the point. Right?

email me separately at cfic@nyct.net, because I won't be monitoring this link after this post. thanks.

I think we shouldn't "change" Hugh; we'll see quite enough of change in the near future, thank you.

Dear Mr Fitzgerald,

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for the time you put into those marvelous posts of yours.

Both the substance, and your erudition are inspiring, and stay with me after I have read them.

In particular, I thought your piece about the printing press and Islam’s resistance to innovation was fine writing.

“Ibrahim Muteferrika's untended grave, with paths overgrown and tilting tombstones, can be seen -- in a far corner of the mevlevi (dervish) cemetery in Istanbul. The untendedness was part of its charm, the failure to keep it up fitting, and when I went to visit that grave, not too many years ago, I found it all the more moving as a result.”


I was also impressed by your essay on the type of personality that would join a neo-Nazi group or the ‘hive mind’ of Islam.

“The psychically marginal have always wanted to submerge their beings in a Collective. Any Collective will do, as long as they can be spared the anguish of thinking for themselves. Anything that provides a Total Explanation of the Universe, and what's more, a Total Regulation of Life, is likely to be welcome. The psychically marginal -- John Walker Lindh, David Hicks, and Richard Reid all come to mind -- are of course joined by the economically marginal, who seek a vehicle for the expression of their alienation from The System, whatever that system may be.

Although this will be difficult for me to express, I want to thank you for your interludes and for your “intermissions” posted after the first segment of the debate between Robert Spencer, and Dr Peterson.

It was there that I was taken to things that I would normally never have given a second look - old vaudeville acts, Minnie Pearl, and W.C. Fields.

Whether these things concerned themselves with subjects of infidelity, debauchery, intemperance, or whatever, the dissonance between what should be and what is, was so life affirming, it conjured the human spirit in me.

These little samples of pop culture were accepting of life to a degree that Islam could never reconcile to.

To think that this could all be destroyed in my lifetime was very moving.

Others in this thread have boasted of their good works in the world.

Hugh, I would like to reassure you that you are doing good work on this website, and please don’t stop.







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