Aslam taslam, infidel
Absurd, you say? Not really. The sheikh in question (Omar Bakri) probably had the Jinn in mind. Consider: 1) The Jinn (or "Genies") are inhabitants of other worlds, specifically, Alam al-Malakut, or the immaterial, "ether" worlds, and so, in modern parlance, can be seen as "aliens" living in "other worlds"; 2) Muhammad was sent as a "messenger" to both humans and Jinn (Koran 51:55-56); 3) Some Jinn do "convert" to Islam (Koran 72: 1-2).
Perhaps you think the realm of "Jinn studies" interests only, say, Sufis, or "abstract-thinking" Muslims? In fact, one of the greatest representatives of jihad against infidels, the Hanbali Sheikh of Islam, Ibn Taymiyya (c.1300s), who is still quoted regularly by modern-day jihadists, wrote an entire treatise dealing with the Jinn ("The Difference between the Allies of the Merciful and the Allies of Satan"), demonstrating that the question of the Jinn is indeed relevant to Islam.
"Hate preacher Omar Bakri instructs followers to convert aliens to Islam," from the Daily Mail, January 3 (thanks to Kyros):
Exiled hate preacher Omar Bakri has ordered his followers to convert aliens to Islam.The extraordinary instruction was issued during a bizarre rant posted on an extremist website.
The Syrian-born imam, who is notorious for praising the 9/11 bombers, told Muslims to not only spread the religion across the world, but across the galaxy. He said: 'We are obliged as Muslims to make the whole galaxy subservient to almighty Allah.
'Allah has created all living beings to obey him and worship him.'
A security source is reported to have said: 'Perhaps he could show his people the way - it would give everyone a break if he was beamed up.'
The rant, which appeared on an extremist website, comes after Bakri claimed he had recently been stopped from using the internet to preach to followers in the UK.
Since one of Islam's standard methods of converting others is to wage jihad against them, apparently it was only a matter of time before Holy War was declared against the infidel Jinn of the universe -- and whatever other "aliens" may be out there.
Let us all hope that Muslims do not make first contact…if they do I could understand why a technologically superior alien race might want to ray gun us all….
Now we're really in trouble.
Quick, get his rocket ready.
We Jovians take this very seriously. We already have accommodations for Bakri and his followers at our penal colony on Io. As an exponentially-advanced race of intelligent beings, we have contingency plans for everything, including interplanetary jihad. Our Jovian Defense Forces monitor these nutcases cotinuously, to keep this contagion from spreading beyond Earth.
Infidel Jupiter Rising, BY THUNDER!
He is definitely NOT talking about aliens because according to classical Islamic scholars the earth is flat and there is no such concept as "space".
Indeed, Ibn Katheer, the great interpreter of the Qur'an held that the sky was the bottom of Allah's throne and that the earth was on the back of a bull held in place by mountains.
If intelligent aliens visited earth, that would probably be the fastest thing to end the jihad on the free civilization because they would likely apostate en mass
I tell you there is a great science fiction story out there just waiting to be told...I see it now...Islam is ready made material for good Sci-fi...The Rock of Muhammad!
"In 1969 a strange object appears on the moon, and starts to emit bizarre signals to Mecca. The United States government never tells the public and the entire event is classified. For over forty years the secret was kept, however Robert Fitzgerald, an Islamic scholar, will discover the startling truth. A truth that is so bizarre that no will believe him. What power does the mystical rock hold over Muslims? Why did it come here? Who sent it? Why is the United States government hiding the truth? Who was the real Muhammad? What about the mystical well? Who is the man called Mr. Hooper. Will Robert save humanity from certain doom, or will he fall under the spell of the 72 virgins”.
The Front Jacket…
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42553000/jpg/_42553621_mashaalap416.jpg
The Back Jacket…
http://www.cloudster.com/sets&vehicles/WarOfTheWorlds/WarOfTheWorlds_126.jpg
I know really bad...just kidding...but it would make for a hell of a story by a good sci-fi writer, and no doubt get a nice fat death fatwa stuck on his head.
"{Refrain}
Hey, Mr. Spaceman
Won't you please take me along
I won't do anything wrong
Hey, Mr. Spaceman
Won't you please take me along for a ride
Woke up this morning, I was feeling quite weird
Had flies in my beard, my toothpaste was smeared
Over my window, they'd written my name
Said, so long, we'll see you again"
-----------------------------------
Well, I don't think we'll see them again...
Aliens..muslims..muslims..aliens..yeah, this is gonna connect just fine, a marriage made in heaven by golly. I knew there had to be someone in the universe they might relate to.
Don't some Moslems believe that there are jinns in the john? I read that somewhere.
HERE is what I was thinking of.
Excerpt:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: These privies are frequented by the jinns and devils. So when anyone amongst you goes there, he should say: "I seek refuge in Allah from male and female devils."
Pray Before Entering an Islamic Toilet
Since jinns and devils visit Islamic toilets, Muhammad instructed his followers to offer prayer when entering a lavatory. We have already read a hadis on this. Here are a few more.
Pray when answering the call of nature…(Sahih Bukhari, 1.4.144)
When you enter a lavatory say, “O Allah, I seek refuge in Thee from wicked and noxious things."…(Sahih Muslim, 3.0729)
When entering a toilet, say a prayer: O’ Allah I seek refuge with you from all offensive and wicked things (evil deeds and evil spirits)…(Sunaan Nasai, 1.19)
Link for the above:
http://arabiguitar.blogspot.com/2008/05/islamic-toilet-part-two-jinns-and.html
Actually, that would make a pretty interesting science fiction story, the idea of an alien race encountering Islam. Even though I can hardly write, the thought of beings who have no understanding of the situation here encountering Islam gives me all sorts of ideas. Would aliens see Islam as an illness of the mind? a death cult? a throwback to some more primitive way living?
The real question is, would the aliens be peaceful or warlike? How would Muslims respond to an encounter with beings every bit as brutal as they are?
Well that was funny. But my ex-husband, the I-am-born-muslim, told me that if aliens were to come down from the sky then islam would be false. allah would be false. Don't know why he said it, but maybe it has something to do with Alex's statement.
I remember laughing when my ex said that because he majored in math and accounting in Alexandria, Egypt. I told him that the sheer mathematics of the universe dictate there MUST be intelligent life out there besides that of the little 'ole Earth. He got so mad he threw a shoe at me. Must be a muslim thing, throwing shoes and getting mad about their own idiocy.
".., the idea of an alien race encountering Islam."
HALAL MEAT!!! - That's what they'd say!...lol...
They won't convert any Klingons...Beam me up, Scotty...
If there are any space aliens, I bet they never heard of Allah...
If Allah created those little gray men, why did He not tell Mohammad about it?
'We are obliged as Muslims to make the whole galaxy subservient to almighty Allah."
Well, then, I think the rest of us should assist him in his endeavors. I'm in for a few dollars toward his rocket fuel costs if he promises to take several million of his closest friends along for a bit of intergalactic da'wa. Let's see, the Alpha Centauri system is only a half dozen or so light years away, so getting there should keep them busy for a few thousand years.
When will they use they Aliens as suicide bombers?
Maybe when they run out of woman & children?
So when the marcabian interstellar invasion fleet drifts into our sector of galactic space and makes itself known to humanity, the mullahs or the pakis will fire off nukes at them and get us all killed... just wonderful.
Under no circumstance does Islam leave this planet.
So where then would these aliens face to pray? And the Hajj? After all, Mecca ain't exactly up the street for them.
I'm not sure if it's what you had in mind, Mr. Fitnah, but your 'Under no circumstance does Islam leave this planet' has me in stitches.
Care to elaborate?
And lorfalcon, you have my sympathies regarding your marriage. Clearly, you didn't exit it with no lessons learned.
Always on Watch
so Mohammedans think their toilets are full of lurking jinn, eh?
BEWARE O MOHAMMEDAN TROLLS AND LURKERS - We don't have jinn in Australian dunnies but quite often we have something much more immediately dangerous...nasty black spiders with red on their backs, and they're POISON - so best to stay away from the Land Down Under, otherwise these beauties might get you...down under, like it says in this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR0qyslUeD8
'We are obliged as Muslims to make the whole galaxy subservient to almighty Allah.'
A security source is reported to have said: 'Perhaps he could show his people the way - it would give everyone a break if he was beamed up.'
From the article.
Yep, this would make good material for a science fiction story. Of course, I doubt Sheikh Omar Bakri has a clear understanding of what a galaxy even is, so his call for galactic da'wa has no real meaning, except perhaps to impress his flock that he's a really hip guy who's learned a new word.
Slightly OT: Actually, Frank Herbert's "Dune" touches on this theme, with its celebration of rebels with Arabic names from a desert culture and a Sufi-like religion, and demonization of a corrupt but technologically superior galactic empire. "Star Wars" had a similar basic theme, celebrating pure hearted desert freedom fighters pitted against an evil empire. In both stories the bad guys are barely disguised representations of Western civilization. "Dune" was especially bad in this regard. The book version wasn't too bad once you got used to all the Arabic names, but the movie version was execrable, going out of its way to construct elaborately disgusting caricatures of what were clearly intended to represent decadent Western civilization. "Dune" could have been written by a Muslim apologist, except they aren't imaginative enough to write this kind of stuff.
Of course, I doubt Sheikh Omar Bakri has a clear understanding
Strike the last dangling phrase of my previous post.
Aliens will not be Muslim. We all know this, because Islam cannot invent the technology to power a lightbulb, let alone an intergalactic spaceship.
"Aliens will not be Muslim. We all know this, because Islam cannot invent the technology to power a lightbulb, let alone an intergalactic spaceship."
Posted by: Infidelicious
This is true, but wouldn't Muslims just love to get their hands on that technology, the same way they have appropriated every other form of technology obtained by the spread of Islam by the sword. It's the same old story of their arrogance leading to the belief they are destined to dominate everything.
Except, in this case they will have bitten off far more than they can chew. The mindset and basic doctrines of Islam are incapable of incorporating a reality in which the earth isn't flat and was created too recently to admit the existence of alien beings. These beings would have to have been created more than 6000 years ago to be able to have explored even a fraction of the stellar systems in the galaxy, which is ~100,000 light years across and has ~200-400 billion stars. In addition to questions of technology, perhaps also fundamentally new physics, there are also questions of biology, sociology and psychology that Western science would have a field day exploring. Muslims would have nothing positive to contribute to these endeavors.
Islam would be the first religion to implode if an alien civilization made itself known to the world, since Islamic doctrine is too brittle to accommodate something so at variance with its cockeyed view of the world. Christianity would have a difficult time of it, too, but it is a little more pliable and could presumably adapt to a new reality, albeit with some difficulty. Judaism will have no major problems, and Hinduism and Buddhism would also most likely be able to adapt with relatively few difficulties.
If you want a sci-fi story about jihad then look no further then Frank Herbert's Dune series. A desert planet, Arrakis, is the only planet in the universe that has spice which is used for traveling. The inhabitants of Arrakis embark on a galactic jihad.
The Dune series introduced me to the concept of jihad. It wasn't till much later that I realized jihad more than fiction.
If you want a sci-fi story about jihad then look no further then Frank Herbert's Dune series. A desert planet, Arrakis, is the only planet in the universe that has spice which is used for traveling. The inhabitants of Arrakis embark on a galactic jihad.
The Dune series introduced me to the concept of jihad. It wasn't till much later that I realized jihad is more than just fiction.
Reminds me that I have a webcomic I haven't updated in months that I need to get back on track so I can address this very question.
Hallowed are the Ori
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PeuRvmaswlw&feature=related
Aliens will be moslem. Since they will always say : "We come in peace" each time they encounter human being.
And you know the rest of the story....
Lol i wonder if the writers and designers of the "Halo" game series took their inspiration from the Taliban? Several races of fanatically religious aliens waging a holy war against humanity.
Beam me up, Scotty--there's no intelligent life here.
Wow Daniel, you're right, I totally forgot about Halo, it does fit the idea of Muslims in space.
For you non gamers out there, in Halo humanity is under attack by a group of aliens that have declared a sort of holy war on us. The technology the aliens are using is beyond their understanding, stolen from a now extinct race of beings and the aliens themselves have a very tribal mindset. Though they are united in their ultimate goal the best, most supposedly holy species of alien looks down on all the others and the lowest species of alien is treated like trash. Many of the different groups of aliens dislike each other almost as much as they hate humanity. The only reason there even are several species of aliens in the group is because they were forced to join, otherwise they would have been killed. The aliens in Halo believe in total destruction, sparing no members of the species they decide to destroy. Even now the different species resent each other to the point where infighting ends up tearing their alliance apart.
The best part is, the ultimate goal of the aliens is to activate some devices that will wipe out all life in an large chunk of the universe. Of course the aliens do not understand this just as they do not understand any of the technology they and simply think that what they are doing is their religious duty and that a great reward awaits them for completing the task. Yes, just as much as humanity wants to live, these aliens want to kill and die.
Yeah, the aliens in Halo are a lot like Muslims in space, destroying without knowing, fighting between themselves just as much as they fight humanity, and every bit of technology they possess being stolen from more advanced groups.
Everyone knows that there are no Mulslims in Star Trek!
Why is this?
That one is simple
It is set in the future after the Third World War.
All of the Fu*kers are dead!!!
You can't make this stuff up.
DofR: Yes there are in Star Trek, though I admit not literaly. Their the BORG.
I'm not sure if it's what you had in mind, Mr. Fitnah, but your 'Under no circumstance does Islam leave this planet' has me in stitches.
Care to elaborate?
Posted by: Vee
My guess is this must be a reference to a galactic quarantine of Islam, to keep it from infecting the rest of the galaxy.