Looking to be American Dhimmi of the Year, 2009?
Unfortunately for her, she's just not that important: "Roseanne Barr - Barr blasts Israel," from Contact Music, January 8:
Jewish comedienne ROSEANNE BARR has condemned Israel's role in the current bloody conflict in the Middle East in a series of rants on her blog and radio show.The actress took to the internet and airwaves this week (begs05Jan09) to condemn the Israeli attacks on the Palestinian-held Gaza strip.
On her blog, the outspoken star wrote, "Israel is a Nazi state," before telling listeners of her California radio show on Tuesday (06Jan08), "Israel has enough money to pay each and every Palestinian to not shoot at them."
She's still alive? I thought that she finally imploded from her own mass.
""Israel has enough money to pay each and every Palestinian to not shoot at them."
Roseanne, can you say "jizyah"?
Roseanne was never funny at all and her antisemitic comments here just see her fall deeper into the sand.
Seinfeld, on the other hand and as an excellent point of contrast, WAS funny and Seinfeld supports Israel.
It's so good when it happens like that.
There's that story of the Jew who worshipped the pig set in the Temple at Jerusalem by the Syrian Greeks--and what happened to him at the hand of a Maccabean.
Does that have any bearing on Roseanne Barr? Ummm--ah--a pig--a Jew who does the anti-Jews' bidding? I don't know. Perhaps.
Ha Ha Ha! This photo literally made me jump in my seat. Oh, the horror of that face, very funny, Ray.
She's just a fat ole BIG mouth, so I never liked anything she had to say anyway. Roseanne Barr should be barred from speaking in public. Shut up!
Roseanne make Rosie O'Donnell look like a beauty queen!
Is this a case of "Negative attention is better than no attention at all"?
Speaking of Seinfeld, where is crazy Joe Devola when you need him?
Roseanne
Hamas wants to kill all Jews. So why don't you satisfy their desires by going to Gaza yourself? Join Cynthia McKinney while you are at it.
She's literally too stupid and insignificant to get upset over. There are too many other celebrity dhimmis and Fellow Travelers who are taken far more seriously in pop culture - even Rosie O'Donnell, whom we seriously should deport.
"Israel has enough money to pay each and every Palestinian to not shoot at them."
The US and the EU are already paying the "Palestinians" to not shoot at the Israelis. I guess the only answer is to pay them more. BHO will see to it.
"Israel has enough money to pay each and every Palestinian to not shoot at them."
This is the most profound and succinct statement of the year. It sums up everything liberals seriously believe in about the conflict, and gives the clear direction of their moral compass.
Jimmy the Dhimmi -- love your website! Scared my cat, though.
Jizyah? Maybe. But to say "Israel has enough money to pay Palestinians..." reinforces stereotypes about Jews and money.
She's not just a dhimmi, she's an anti-Semite.
Oh wow, a gastropede learns to fart.
But really if it wasn't for the Leftists who run the MSM she would have sunk back into the cesspool she came out of.
Still one day I predict a hog farmer will mistake her for a rogue sow and she'll end up at a sausage plant.
Roseanne Barr is more Nazi-like than Israel. If she hates herself so much, why doesn't she go take a flying leap and save us from her boring attempts at humor. Instead of taking her self-hatred out on the world by aiding all that which seeks to destroy her and the civilization whose disease she is, maybe she could go into therapy or get a lobotomy or something. But then what difference could a lobotomy make with her?
'Looking to be American Dhimmi of the Year, 2009?'
Under the title: The ugly American.
Not taking a knock at her pic, but her mind.
'Unfortunately for her, she's just not that important: "Roseanne Barr - Israel is a Nazi state,"
Perhaps fortunately for us. Perhaps in the drive to be cutting edge, some fall off the proverbial edge.
You know, I'm not laughing when I typed that. Come back daughter. Where are you at?
Vile and ridiculous she may be, but for dhimmi of the year Naomi Klein is hard on her heels:
Enough. It's time for a boycott
"The best way to end the bloody occupation is to target Israel with the kind of movement that ended apartheid in South Africa"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/10/naomi-klein-boycott-israel
'Well you used to be a beautiful baby, but baby look at you now'.
With Roseanne the before and after pictures look the same...
Why does anyone care what she says??
sheik yer'mami..
Enough. It's time for a boycott
Some more lunacy from the lunatic left...I bet if asked, the author has no idea whom is 'occupying' whom, or what...
If such a boycott was started I would buy Israeli products that I normally would not buy, and start a reverse boycott of my own...Shop Israeli, keep Israel free...
Jeez -- the photographer asks her to say "Cheese" but instead she belches. Gross.
If such a boycott was started I would buy Israeli products that I normally would not buy, and start a reverse boycott of my own...Shop Israeli, keep Israel free...
Posted by: duh_swami
Yes, also "Buy Infidel, bye Islam".
I know times are tough and maybe ratings are hard to come by but calling a nation full of holocaust survivors a Nazi state is, in my opinion, a bit too cheap and nasty. So, I thought of something different with style and substance for Roseanne which will be a sure fire ratings winner.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=44Y-_JAjAwE
A picture is worth a thousand decibels.Though the volume is down, yet sound and fury, signifying nothing, still issues forth from her hideous visage and sneering yap. Make it go away, Raymond, make it go away.
I jumped right on Moonbattery.com when I saw this, and I came across the following:
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/01/al_franken_to_b.html
Al Franken..
And right preceding it I found a special UN jackass calling the Hamas rockets harmless:
January 5, 2009
Professional Jackass Reveals Hamas Rocket Attacks to Be Harmless
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/01/professional_ja.html
Excellent news: the rockets Hamas terrorists rain down on Israeli citizens are actually "harmless." Incredible as this may seem, we know it to be true because we have the word of an intellectually superior being, Ivy League emeritus law professor and United Nations Special Rapporteur on Human Rights Richard Falk.
The rocket attacks are only the result of Hamas's "supposed" unwillingness to stop fighting, and their increased incidence is only "alleged," so how could they hurt anyone?
Falk has also revealed that wacky conspiracy theorists may be right about 9/11, and that Israelis are like Nazis. The elite has spoken: please calibrate your opinions as necessary.
Speaking of nazis, maybe a story once ran by the Weekly World News about Roseanne Barr and Fidel Castro hooking up might not be a fake after all, huh?
What's the deal with Roseanne? Wasn't she Jewish? Is she a Messianic Jew or a Christian now or what?
Anyway, I don't like large comediennes name Rosie.
Roseanne Barr - a mouth on very fat legs!
Rosanne,
People spend money as a reflection of their intentions. If someone wants to kill you because you who they are, how do you think they will choose to spend their money.
More Money=More ability to cause harm.
Richard Falk is an a$$hole, just like John Dugard, the South African he replaced.
She has a radio show?!?!? I didn't think she had enough fans. Oh, well. It's in California. I guess that explains it all.
This is what happens when someone who gets a little celebritydom who is in reality is a total air head.
A quote from David Horowitz's article on Townhall.com this morning Jan.10,2009
I kind of doubt Horowitz would have much agreement with Rosanne Barr
"Hamas and its Egyptian founders and Palestinian inspirers were active followers of Adolf Hitler and enthusiasts of the Nazi Holocaust. The founding charter of Hamas, which promises that “Islam will obliterate Israel” memorializes the Egyptian admirer of Hitler, Hassan al-Banna as “the martyr…of blessed memory.” The same document contains the genocidal incitement of the Prophet Mohammed to “kill the Jews,” to hunt them down “until they hide behind the rocks and the trees, and the rocks and trees cry out ‘O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
Somebody should send her the photos of Hezbollah and Hamas brandishing the nazi salute, or a copy of an Arabic translation of Mein Kampf or maybe a video of a muslim cleric denying the Holocaust, or a Palestinian child saying all Jews should be killed or......
Good for Roseanne Barr for speaking out against isreals war crimes in gaza i never knew that she was jewish but it just goes to show that theres Good jews who are speaking out it just goes to show not all jews support Isreal and its treatment towards the palestinians.
She is so ignorant, she would not know the truth until the moment the muslims start to behead her.
Maria - nice run-on sentences. Though I appreciate your freedom of speech, I could not disagree with you more.
Do you have a cell phone? Throw it away if you do and do not buy another. Cell phones are the invention of an Israeli Jew.
Do you use voicemail? Not anymore...also invented by an Israeli Jew.
One more thing...go to her website and look at how she writes. She writes like a child, exactly like Rosie O.
These are retarded, ill-informed people who are too lazy to read the Koran, Hadiths, and Sira.
People like Rosanne Bar will get you KILLED.
Wasn't the internet invented by a Jew? Then, Maria, shame on you!
Alahu al-ak-Barr!
(Ms. Barr has her weight mixed up with her IQ--she weighs about 400 pounds and has an IQ of about 80 but thinks her IQ is about 400 and her weight is about 80).
ps--Everyone PLEASE purchase a burqa and drop it into the mail and send it to Ms. Barr (her agency's name and address is available through the Screen Actors Guild).
Posted by: No More Ham, Ed
People like Rosanne Bar will get you KILLED
I disagree with you on that Rosanne Bar is speaking out against the killing commited by isreal on palestinians you sound a bit paranoid to me.
Maria -- I hope that you do not live in the US, because if Israel does NOT defeat this enemy over there and on their turf, then the terrorists picking fights with Israel will set their sights on US? We are already in their sights, so you are one foolish woman not to see the big picture here. FOOLISH!
Actually, no place is safe, because the terrorists ultimate aim is world domination. Hope you enjoy being a dhimmi slave all of your life. But I won't be one.
Posted by: champ
Wasn't the internet invented by a Jew? Then, Maria, shame on you!
The internet was invented by Timothy John Berners
and he was part of a religion called Unitarian Universalism he was not jewish but even if he was jewish so what I have nothing against jews.
by the way champ Rosanne bar is a Jew Shame on you
Maria, good God woman, I was teasing about the internet 'thang'. I would prefer a response to my meatier question above. Let me repost it for you:
Maria -- I hope that you do not live in the US, because if Israel does NOT defeat this enemy over there and on their turf, then the terrorists picking fights with Israel will set their sights on US? We are already in their sights, so you are one foolish woman not to see the big picture here. FOOLISH!
Actually, no place is safe, because the terrorists ultimate aim is world domination. Hope you enjoy being a dhimmi slave all of your life. But I won't be one.
What, Maria, were the Israelis supposed to do when thousands of rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel? Just sit back and take it? If a neighbor were continually lobbing molotov cocktails toward your house, hundreds or thousands of them over a few years, and no one in the world would stop them doing that, and you went yourself to that neighbor's house and used force to stop the attacks, and you did everything possible to avoid hurting children and anyone not throwing the bombs, even taking risks to yourself, and if then the rest of the neighborhood started shouting at you to stop your self-defense, in some cases even accusing you of being the aggressor, how would you feel? Would you just lie down and die? Would you offer yourself up to your neighbor to be killed in repentence?
Posted by: champ
Maria -- I hope that you do not live in the US, because if Israel does NOT defeat this enemy over there and on their turf, then the terrorists picking fights with Israel will set their sights on US? We are already in their sights, so you are one foolish woman not to see the big picture here. FOOLISH!
No it is you that does't get the bigger picture.
Your Zionist Goverment want to Control the world and they are using islamic Terrorism as a tool to do so. Yes islamic terrorist themselfs are a threat and they do want to impose there ideology on the world which is scary but at the same time America also wants to take over the world so it can impose its capitalism America takes over other countrys by invading them overthrowing there goverments and installing puppet regimes like it has done in iraq and yugoslavia
Your goverment supported islamic extremist before 911 like the mujahadeen against russia so then the Zionist controlled USA could weaken its big enemy Russia and it still supports those extremist in Chechya. America is only fighting the Islamic extremist who is fighting against them in iraq but when it comes to breaking up russia america needs the islamic extremist as well to help them so its like a love hate relationship
Maria, please refrain from the tired and terrible argument of who the US supports and then fights. Times change and people change and redirect, readdress their agendas (on both sides). We supported Germany and Japan after we defeated them. Was this a bad idea? These are currently two of the worlds greatest nations. And it is precisely the point: They aren't crazy, they are solid people and they are our allies.
When you deal with crazies, you deal with them in the means that you believe is appropriate at the time. The definition of foreign policy is that is constantly changing.
Islam isn't going away any time soon, so you better align yourself with those who love and respect your dignity as a human being, regardless of your political thoughts. There is one group that cares nothing for your rights if you are not one of them.
Curious that people have to find out the hard way when it is obvious who causes it. Just look around.
That picture strikes me with abject terror. The vacuous eyes and vast mouth would shake the most stonehearted of people!
RUN FOR YOUR LIFE, BIG MAC! RUN!
Maria -- nice copy & paste job. I know that you didn't write that "information", because there are caps and periods, and you rarely use caps, let alone periods. Please show some integrity and provide the link when you copy & paste. Thank you.
Posted by: Palamas
We supported Germany and Japan after we defeated them. Was this a bad idea? These are currently two of the worlds greatest nations. And it is precisely the point: They aren't crazy, they are solid people and they are our allies.
I think what America did to japan by droping a atomic bomb on civilians was one of its worst genocide it has ever commited Americans should be ashamed of there history and as for Germany it was Russia who defeated Germany and then America Got involved.
Germeny and Japan are your allies becuase if they where not your Allies you would probably drop more atomic bombs to make them your allies as I said earlier America invades other countrys overthrows goverments and installs puppet goverments and calls it there allies.
That cows looks would only improve if she wore a burka.
Posted by: champ
Maria nice copy & paste job
the only thing i copied and pasted was about who invented the Internet from a wikipedia link I did not copy and paste in my other post.
Maria!
The annoyingest troll that we've ever heard.
Maria!
Maria, Maria, Maria!
All the leftist cliches in a single word,
Maria.
Maria, Maria, Maria.
Maria, we just met a troll named Maria,
and suddenly we find,
she's up and lost her mind
I'd say.
Maria, infested with trolls like Maria.
She wants a world that's free of Zionist entities
today.
Maria, were you loud, like Rosanne you'd be braying,
Typing lower case, and you're just irritating
Maria, we'll mock you forever, Maria!
Maria. Maria. Maria!
That was cathartic.
LOL, Jewel!
Hey, Jewel, it looks like Rosie is singing your song! LOL! Too funny!
Since this is the comedy spot for the day:
Jewel-I assume that's the Maria from West Side Story?
Can you do one with "Ave Maria"???
I didn't know Roseanne Barr was Jewish. Oy vay... Can someone stuff a bagel, lox, and cream cheese in her mouth?(hold the raw onion her breath is already stinking)
Seriously though, what's with the anti-Semitism from the Semite? Does she think it'll help her feel less guilty? (tongue-in-cheek..heheheh..okay, I'll stop now..heheheh)
posted by Jewel Atkins
Maria!
The annoyingest troll that we've ever heard.
whats the matter jewel atkins did i hit a nerve? sorry i am so annoying but i am no troll the only trolls on here is you champ dumb darcy and other bigoted fools
Isn't Woznkiak a Jew too? That would mean that both Macs and the last 4 Windows platforms were created by Jews. Mariastan really should get off the Internet and work on her basic primary-school grammar and punctuation. She's not as bad as Defenderofislam, but almost, and I think she's a native English speaker.
The Internet was invented by Tim Berners-Lee and Robert Cailliau, a Belgian Jew, idiot.
Isn't Wozniak a Jew too? That would mean that both Macs and the last 4 Windows platforms were created by Jews. Mariastan really should get off the Internet and work on her basic primary-school grammar and punctuation. She's not as bad as Defenderofislam, but almost, and I think she's a native English speaker, albeit a nearly-illiterate one.
The Internet was invented by Tim Berners-Lee and Robert Cailliau, a Belgian Jew.
Get polio, you Judeophobic idiot. And no, I don't think you'll catch that reference, Mariastan.
Dammit. I thought I clicked 'stop' fast enough. Whatever. Get polio, Mariastan.
jdamn go screw yourself your a other bigoted moron on here.
Another well-researched, well-founded argument from the brilliant, literate Mariastan. Which one of the dozens of points and and questions I've thrown at you have you refuted/answered? Not one, because you're wrong and you know it and because logic, history, and every human standard of decency is behind everything I've thrown at you, and yet, none of it stuck.
How am I a bigot? Because I hold Muslims to the same standards as I hold everyone else, judge them by the same standards, and believe in one set of rules and laws for everyone?
You've defended the genocide of Jews and terrorism and I'm a bigot? At least, I think that's what you were trying to express with that almost-sentence above. I've had better debates with my cats and they've defended their points better than you, too.
posted by jdamn
Another well-researched, well-founded argument from the brilliant, literate Mariastan. Which one of the dozens of points and and questions I've thrown at you have you refuted/answered?
The only thing you have thrown is insults and stupidity.
Not only are you a bigot but your also a disgusting liar I have never defended terrorism I don't support hamas terroism just as much as I don't support Isreali terrorism. Also I do not hate jews.
Mariastan, yes you do. You have clearly stated - albeit in your sicko-pervert, spineless, malignantly narcissistic fashion - that Jews have no right to defend themselves against terror. You defended Hamas on a thread about them firing on Israel from a UN school, of all places. You have said that Hamas has every right to continue firing rockets at nursing homes and schools and that Israel has absolutely no right to not let them finish Hitler's Final Solution. You call it "terror" when Israel defends itself against jihad. This is the epitome of Mohammedan narcissism and Jew-hatred. It is not unfair to assume, therefore, that in your sick mind it was "terrorism" when the Allies defeated Hitler. People like you make me wonder if they even did sometimes.
You have, in a manner which so disregards all logic, reason, and standards of human decency as to preclude your matriculation to 1st grade or membership in the human race, drawn a moral equivalence, repeatedly, between Israel's defending itself while taking the utmost pains to spare human life at every juncture, at great cost and detriment to herself, and Hamas' use of child suicide bombers, use of children as human shields, firing on Israel from schools, hospitals, and mosques, and indescriminate attacks on all Jewish life. You don't even care about the Gazans, clearly, since you think that Israel has no right to wipe out Hamas, who kills their own people, Fatah members, and is actively committing genocide against the Gazan Christian population.
Please, explain the difference between this and the US' having any right to wipe out the Third Reich, LOGICALLY, like an adult, using facts, and without calling me names like a brain-damaged child. While you're at it, throw in some punctuation.
You are free to change your mind, you know. We won't hold it against you if you have some epiphany and realize that you were wrong. On the contrary, we'll congratulate you for coming into the light and joining the human race with the rest of us. I'm myself a recovering centrist and former useful idiot. The purpose of sites like this is to inform people and to cut through the ridiculous lies and genocidal agenda of the MSM. It's okay. I'll even call you Maria if you do. It's okay to be wrong every once in a while. In fact, on this matter, it's easy to because we are fed lies all day, cf. the post on JW about the faked death on CNN yesterday.
You can stand opposed to me and be slain like every troll I've taken on (2 just this afternoon, one of them with a couple of posts from last week, no less) since I started posting on this site, continue to defend Hamas, and reiterate in the same spineless manner that Israel has no right to not let Hamas finish Hitler's Final Solution, or you can agree that Israel is doing the right thing and is doing it in the most careful, considerate manner, or you can leave. You cannot, however, come in here and keep defending Jewish genocide and not be slain like the Mohammedan troll who you keep proving you are through your narcissism, moral equivalence, complete lack of logical faculties, and lilly-livered endorsement of Jewish genocide. Yes, I did just write "lilly-livered."
Someone's TAQIYYA is flashing like a neon sign.
Typical left comeback: If ya can't win the argument, SCREAM BIGOT!
You may wanna take the tinfoil hat off, Maria. Those things are sooooo 2001.
Maria,
You ought to know that we, the government and people of the United States, went to war against Nazi Germany, Facist Italy, Shinto-nationalist Imperial Japan, and their Axis Allies because they first attacked us and other free nations; NOT because we wished to conquer and subdue them, though "conquer we must, when our cause it is just," NOT because we wished to reduce them to "puppet" states (did we, seriously?), but because we had to avoid the same fate as Mukden, Addis Abbaba, Prague, Warsaw, Copenhagen, Oslo, Rotterdam, Brussels, Paris, Belgrade, Athens, Shanghai, Nanking, and many other places that followed in their wake.
Americans woke up one day to a world at war, and were forced, overnight, to finally abandon our traditional isolationist and non-intervention thinking. America and the world has never been the same since.
The problem, Maria, is that the trap of "moral equivalence" and pacifist leanings cloud your objective judgments, which is why your reflexive, easy condemnations of Western societies (as you exibit above) are so annoying, so grating to patriotic, freedom-loving, truly just sensibilities.
Maria,
You ought to know that we, the government and people of the United States, went to war against Nazi Germany, Facist Italy, Shinto-nationalist Imperial Japan, and their Axis Allies because they first attacked us and other free nations; NOT because we wished to conquer and subdue them, though "conquer we must, when our cause it is just," NOT because we wished to reduce them to "puppet" states (did we, seriously?), but because we had to avoid the same fate as Mukden, Addis Abbaba, Prague, Warsaw, Copenhagen, Oslo, Rotterdam, Brussels, Paris, Belgrade, Athens, Shanghai, Nanking, and many other places that followed in their wake.
Americans woke up one day to a world at war, and were forced, overnight, to finally abandon our traditional isolationist and non-intervention thinking. America and the world have never been the same since.
The problem, Maria, is that the trap of "moral equivalence" and pacifist leanings cloud your objective judgments, which is why your reflexive, easy condemnations of Western societies (as you exibit above) are so annoying, so grating to patriotic, freedom-loving, truly just sensibilities.
Dearest Maria,
If you don't like the commentary, nor the ones who write it, why don't you find a blog to read which will make you all happy and warm and fuzzy inside?
You could just go away, and never come back, that would show us meanies! We wouldn't have Maria to kick around, anymore!
jdamn
Mariastan, yes you do. You have clearly stated - albeit in your sicko-pervert, spineless, malignantly narcissistic fashion - that Jews have no right to defend themselves against terror. You defended Hamas on a thread about them firing on Israel from a UN school, of all places. You have said that Hamas has every right to continue firing rockets at nursing homes and schools and that Israel has absolutely no right to not let them finish Hitler's Final Solution. You call it "terror" when Israel defends itself against jihad. This is the epitome of Mohammedan narcissism and Jew-hatred. It is not unfair to assume, therefore, that in your sick mind it was "terrorism" when the Allies defeated Hitler. People like you make me wonder if they even did sometimes.
why do you keep on with more lies I never said that hamas had a right to fire rockets at israel infact i said hamas should stop firing rockets at israel becasue the idf is using it as a excuse to kill more children the people I defended was the Innocent children in the UN school that was bombed by the IDF if Hamas was in that school firing rockets why didnt the IDF wait for the children to leave the school before dropping bombs on it your the sick one on here defending genocide on innocent children. I am not saying israel should not defend itself but why is it killing defencless children in a school it reminds me when chechen terrorist stormed a school in Beslan and killed 400 innocent children and said they where doing it to defend themselfs why dont idf go after the militants not the women and children.
you talk about hitlers final solution which as tragic as it was is in the past but lets talk about the final solution today and todays final solution is for Isreal to genocide the palestinians.
Initial post should read "have never been the same"--not "has never been the same."
"Axis Allies" should read "Axis allies" above, to avoid confusion of parties to the conflict.
"you talk about hitlers final solution which as tragic as it was is in the past but lets talk about the final solution today and todays final solution is for Isreal to genocide the palestinians."
So does the genocide happen before or after Israel pisses rainstorms of medical supplies into gaza?
Maria, please contact Hamas and ask them why. Why have THEY put children in harms way? You are angry with the wrong group. Hamas is the one you need to bark at.
Once again, Israel is not seeking a genocidal "Final Solution"; HAMAS IS.
Posted by: John C
Americans woke up one day to a world at war, and were forced, overnight, to finally abandon our traditional isolationist and non-intervention thinking. America and the world have never been the same since.
John c is appears that Americans seem to wake up every year to a war like vietnam, yugoslavia, Iraq, afganistan and panama i am sure the weapon companies make lots of money out of this.
The only just war I can think of is afganistan as Bin laden who was responsible for 911 had organised the attack and was hiding there but the other countries i just mentioned had never attacked America
HAMAS doesn't really care about its people as individuals because of its hateful supremacist ideology--"we love death more than you love life" and "Israel will continue to exist, until Islam destroys it, just as Islam has destroyed many nations before it."
Apart from Panama, Maria, if you closely examine the conflicts you cite, you will see that the U.S. didn't initiate those conflicts.
Actually, John C, we never went to war against Italy. There was no Italy by the time the US joined the War. The South had seceded and Mussolini only had his tiny Republic of Salo` in the North by then. We did trample the hell out of the Italian landscape, though. This is a common misperception because even Italians refer to the whole Italian landscape and people as "Italian" in their literature, history, and films. They also do this in reference to the Italian landscape and people before it was officially Italy, prior to 1865.
Mariastan, the only children anywhere above ground in Gaza are human shields. We have explained this to you over and over again. Gaza had long since been warned to get out of any building with terrorists or weapons. Any children in any building that the IDF is going after were put there by Hamas as human shields and you know it. The suggestion that Israel goes after children when Hamas intentionally kills their own children by intentionally placing them in the line of fire is exactly what I'm referring to when I say that you're a very sick, very evil person who is completely lacking in a moral compass or the logical faculties of the average brain-damaged five-year-old, which is typical of Mohammedan mental illness. Stop portraying Hamas as victims and saying that Israel targets children, sicko. You know full-well that since Israel warned everyone to evacuate, that any remaining children in the line of fire were intentionally put/left there by Hamas as human shields. If you believe otherwise, please explain logically how this is physically possible.
Pick up a grammar book for 1st-graders. "Genocide" is not a verb.
They are seeking out Hamas terrorists who have even been warned that they were coming. Hamas is a political party/terror organization, not a people. "Genocide" refers to wiping out a people. The IDF are going after weapons stores, Hamas leadership, and Hamas infrastructure. Again, explain logically how this fits the definition of "genocide."
Worst case scenario, Israel will push the Gazans into Egypt, where they will be slaughtered by the Egyptians, and you will yawn about it because you can't use it as an excuse to hate on Jews. See, that's what genocide is. It's what would happen to the Gazans if they elected Hamas and pulled this crap with any Arab nation or if any Arab nation had to deal with those monsters at all.
Again, explain to me, after you've explained how Operation Cast Shield constitutes "genocide" and how, if the Gazans were warned of where the IDF was coming to and any children who remained there were unarguably intentionally placed there by Gazans, they are (1) not Gazan-placed human shields and (2) how Israel is responsible for their deaths even though they told the Gazans to get them out, how Israel is doing the wrong thing by rooting out Hamas.
You claim to take issue with genocide, and yet Hamas is committing genocide against Jews and Christians in Israel and Gaza, respectively. How is the IDF doing the wrong thing by stopping genocide through the rooting out of Hamas? And does stopping genocide constitute genocide?
Refute my points logically, admit that you're wrong and I'm right, or go away. Or again demonstrate that you are a child and that you lack the logical faculties of a cow.
Champ well hamas is doing nothing to protect the children it is putting them in danger and should stop hiding where children are but at the same time why did the IDF bomb a UN school when it knew there was children there why didnt it wait for the children to leave?
why is Isreal stoping ships which are bringing Aid to the palestinians?
Yes, even Iraq--Saddam didn't fully comply will the armistice agreements that ended the Gulf War, which Saddam waged against Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States, and, gratuitously, against Israel.
I love to quibble, jdamn; in December, 1941, Germany and Italy both declared war on us; Italy didn't sue for peace until 1943, after losing in North Africa and in Sicily, and on the eve of the Allied invasion of the Italian Peninsula itself. Marshal Badoglio's Government (which deposed Mussolini) signed a peace, thenimmediately went into hiding; the Nazis then took direct control of Italy.
posted by jdamn
The IDF are going after weapons stores, Hamas leadership, and Hamas infrastructure. Again, explain logically how this fits the definition of "genocide."
yes Isreal is Going after Hamas it wants to get rid of hamas but for it to do that it would have to genocide the Palestinians as the majority of palestinians voted for hamas in power so does it mean that isreal should genocide the palestinians to get rid of hamas?
If israel wants to get rid of hamas it is failing pretty badly the more children they kill the more palestinians will join with hamas and make hamas stronger Israel should find a way to defend itself with out having children killed.
There is no operational port in Gaza, since that would allow HAMAS to import weapons unhindered, and since HAMAS can't run a modern port. A couple of propaganda stunts [typo corrected] by a pair of chartered yachts would provide an extremely negligible amoun of aid.
"amount"
(jdamn, Mussolini was a Nazi puppet for the remainder of WW2.)
John C, I think we're just arguing lexicon. It was not technically Italy when the US invaded. The US joined the war late in the game. Everything you wrote above is still true.
Mariastan, you answered NONE of my four questions above, thereby admitting that I am indeed correct. You have one more chance to answer and refute all four questions plus the one you just set yourself up for, or you, idiot, are a slain troll.
1) You know full-well that since Israel warned everyone to evacuate, that any remaining children in the line of fire were intentionally put/left there by Hamas as human shields. If you believe otherwise, please explain logically how this is physically possible and how Israel is culpable for any of these alleged deaths.
Again, "genocide" is not a verb.
2) They are seeking out Hamas terrorists who have even been warned that they were coming. Hamas is a political party/terror organization, not a people. "Genocide" refers to wiping out a people. The IDF are going after weapons stores, Hamas leadership, and Hamas infrastructure. Again, explain logically how this fits the definition of "genocide."
3) And since you claim that taking out Hamas leadership, infrastructure, and weapons stores will cause more people to vote for a non-existent party, how is this possible? How are people going to vote for a non-existent political party?
4) Again, explain to me how Israel is doing the wrong thing by rooting out Hamas. If you defend this point, either explain how else to take out Hamas or exactly why you value the lives of Jewish and Christian children less than those of Muslims, because Hamas is killing Christian and Jewish children and they, unlike the IDF, are doing it intentionally as acts of genocide and are actually culpable for their deaths.
5) You claim to take issue with genocide, and yet Hamas is committing genocide against Jews and Christians in Israel and Gaza, respectively. How is the IDF doing the wrong thing by stopping genocide through the rooting out of Hamas? And how does stopping genocide constitute genocide? Answer both parts.
Again, if you do not blow every single one of my points out of the water logically and to the letter, Mariastan, you are a slain troll who has been handed her Mohammedan ass. No evasion, no answering questions with questions, no logical fallacies, no moral equivalence. Answer like an adult, point by point. One answer for every question mark above, each one completely explaining your point of view. Make it happen.
Posted by: jdamn
1) You know full-well that since Israel warned everyone to evacuate, that any remaining children in the line of fire were intentionally put/left there by Hamas as human shields. If you believe otherwise, please explain logically how this is physically possible and how Israel is culpable for any of these alleged deaths.
first of all i did not know that Israel had warned everyone to evacuate the school the reason Israel is culpable is because it did not care to check if the children had evacuated the School
Yes hamas used the children as shields which is wrong and hamas is responsible as well.
Posted by: jdamn
2) They are seeking out Hamas terrorists who have even been warned that they were coming. Hamas is a political party/terror organization, not a people. "Genocide" refers to wiping out a people. The IDF are going after weapons stores, Hamas leadership, and Hamas infrastructure. Again, explain logically how this fits the definition of "genocide."
Yes Hamas is a terror organization not a people but my point is the palestinian people voted for Hamas dont you get it everytime you take out a hamas leader they will be a new leader to replace them so how can Isreal get rid of Hamas? it cant just bomb hamas away Israel has to make the palestinians go against hamas by trying to be fair to them and returning there stolen Land and to stop killing so many children.
Posted by: jdamn
3)And since you claim that taking out Hamas leadership, infrastructure, and weapons stores will cause more people to vote for a non-existent party, how is this possible? How are people going to vote for a non-existent political party?
I did not claim that I said that killing children in Schools will cause more palestinians to vote for hamas.
Posted by: jdamn
4) Again, explain to me how Israel is doing the wrong thing by rooting out Hamas. If you defend this point, either explain how else to take out Hamas or exactly why you value the lives of Jewish and Christian children less than those of Muslims, because Hamas is killing Christian and Jewish children and they, unlike the IDF, are doing it intentionally as acts of genocide and are actually culpable for their deaths.
Israel should root out hamas but only way to do that is by being fair to the palestinians to do that Israel should return back to its old borders.
and return the most of the land that it stole back to the palestinians.
LIE ALERT:
"....and return the most of the land that it stole back to the palestinians."
1) You know full-well that since Israel warned everyone to evacuate, that any remaining children in the line of fire were intentionally put/left there by Hamas as human shields. If you believe otherwise, please explain logically how this is physically possible and how Israel is culpable for any of these alleged deaths.
first of all i did not know that Israel had warned everyone to evacuate the school the reason Israel is culpable is because it did not care to check if the children had evacuated the School
Yes hamas used the children as shields which is wrong and hamas is responsible as well
You were, in fact, aware that Israel was warning all the Gazans. We have told you this ad nauseum, myself at least 3 times. Stop lying.
a. OK, how could they have checked on this if they were being fired on from the school? Explain the physics of this.
b. Explain why they should let terrorists fire on them just because they were in a school which would have been evacuated if the Gazans, who you keep defending, would have evacuated if they were remotely defensible human beings.
c. How is Israel culpable if ALL Gazans were warned to get out of places with weapons and terrorists?
d. How is Israel supposed to defend itself from BEING FIRED ON BY TERRORISTS if they always hide behind children?
e. Why should Israel value the lives of these children of the Gazans clearly regard their own children's lives as expendable?
2) They are seeking out Hamas terrorists who have even been warned that they were coming. Hamas is a political party/terror organization, not a people. "Genocide" refers to wiping out a people. The IDF are going after weapons stores, Hamas leadership, and Hamas infrastructure. Again, explain logically how this fits the definition of "genocide."
Yes Hamas is a terror organization not a people but my point is the palestinian people voted for Hamas dont you get it everytime you take out a hamas leader they will be a new leader to replace them so how can Isreal get rid of Hamas? it cant just bomb hamas away Israel has to make the palestinians go against hamas by trying to be fair to them and returning there stolen Land and to stop killing so many children.
You answered this with total nonsense. Answer the actual question like a remotely intelligent person.
a. Also, why do Muslims get to steal the land of Jews as you just stated? Could it be because you are a Mohammedan troll, a mentally ill malignant narcissist, and a Nazi?
b. How can you claim to speak from a position of authority on this when you conveniently plead ignorance to the fact that the Gazans were all warned to get out of the line of fire?
c. Since you don't understand the history of the last week, as you admit, why should we respect your viewpoint on the entire history of the Holy Land, all of which was Jewish land that got stolen by Muslims?
d. The original question, above.
3)And since you claim that taking out Hamas leadership, infrastructure, and weapons stores will cause more people to vote for a non-existent party, how is this possible? How are people going to vote for a non-existent political party?
I did not claim that I said that killing children in Schools will cause more palestinians to vote for hamas.
a. How are intentionally-placed human shields "children in schools?"
b. How did the one school become plural?
c. The original question, which you did not answer.
4) Again, explain to me how Israel is doing the wrong thing by rooting out Hamas. If you defend this point, either explain how else to take out Hamas or exactly why you value the lives of Jewish and Christian children less than those of Muslims, because Hamas is killing Christian and Jewish children and they, unlike the IDF, are doing it intentionally as acts of genocide and are actually culpable for their deaths.
Israel should root out hamas but only way to do that is by being fair to the palestinians to do that Israel should return back to its old borders.
and return the most of the land that it stole back to the palestinians.
a. How was Israel unfair to the "Palestinians?" Specifics and reputable sources, please.
b. What constitutes "fairness" in your sick mind? Giving them back the land they stole or killing themselves?
b. Who are the "Palestinians?" Please cite at least one reputable historical source indicating there are Palestinian kings, artwork, architecture, landmarks, etc.
c. How exactly will "being fair" root out Hamas? Specifics, please.
d. "Being fair" presumes that Israel's "unfairness" is somehow to blame for the "Palestinians'" voting in of Hamas. Why are the Israelis to blame for what the "Palestinians" did?
e. Why is it that only Muslims are somehow held unaccountable for their own behavior while conversely, Jews are responsible for the behavior of Muslims? Why is it that Hamas, and the Gazans who voted them in more generally, are not responsible for the defensive retaliation of the Israelis? Could it be because you are a typical Mohammedan malignant narcissist?
f. How did Israel "steal" the land of the "Palestinians" (whom you must first prove actually existed historically)?
g. Why is Israel, the Jewish holy land, mentioned over 700 times is the Old Testament, millenia before the advent of Islam?
h. How did the Arabs get there if they did not, in fact, steal this land from the Israelis?
i. The original question, above.
You conventiently ignored the last question:
5) You claim to take issue with genocide, and yet Hamas is committing genocide against Jews and Christians in Israel and Gaza, respectively. How is the IDF doing the wrong thing by stopping genocide through the rooting out of Hamas? And how does stopping genocide constitute genocide? Answer both parts.
". . . Its old borders" were de facto, not de jure--the truce lines of 1949, which were not secure, but the front in a 18-year war of attrition. Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Sudan sent their armies, along the Mufti's militia and volunteers from other Muslim lands, into Mandatory Palestine as the British withdrew, to annihilate the Jewish state at its inception; they conquered Kfar Darom, the Etzion Bloc of settlements, the Jewish Quarter, a bridgehead on the Upper Jordan, seized Latrun, and pressed on until they were checked.
So, you propose that Israel retire to to state of affairs that prevailed on June 4, 1967, with Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq about to attack? Reward potential aggressors, by erasing their humbling defeat? Outright crazy.
". . . To the state of affaairs that prevailed . . ."
"...return the most of the land that it stole back to the palestinians."
Really... And pray tell Maria, who were the ORIGINAL palestinians? How far back do YOU want to go? The philistines there now are NOT the original palestians, you should know that much at least.
Your last statement has unequivocally deemed you a troll. I read your post that you'd like your property back in Turkiye since it was taken from your family.
By whom and to what end was it taken? Originally, all of Turkiye was owned by a completely different set of people then the ones there now. So to your way of thinking, you SHOULD NEVER get it back. And so it goes with God.
You're one angry frustrated lady(?) who doesn't even know which side of the fence to straddle. And from the looks of it, you always will be...
They never admit defeat, jdamn. (For example, look at the tail of postings in the archived Jan. 2 entry, "And now, a genocidal T-shirt, and see how our nemesis, nose, retreats to his invincible shell of "truth," which he fails to impose on anyone else, right up to the end. I thought I got a few good licks in, too, at the end; but, Like, Who's Gonna Know?)
Maria the Mohammedan -- check out some facts for a change:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_faq_palestine_whynostate.php
Excerpt from link:
First of all, the Palestinian Arabs do have a state. Its called Jordan. During the League of Nations Mandate period, the land originally set aside by the League of Nations as the Palestine Mandate was supposed to provide for a national home for the Jewish people. The British were given the authority to manage the Mandate and help the Jews make the transition to independence. Instead, almost 80% of the original Mandate land was carved out and arbitrarily made into the Arab country of Trans-Jordan (later renamed Jordan). In all the land of the Mandate east of the Jordan River it was "No Jews Allowed". West of the Jordan, the 20% part of the Mandate, the British restricted Jewish immigration and gradually adopted policies that were more and more pro-Arab. Palestinian Arabs are the majority of the population of Jordan even today.
All of Israel today, and the Jewish lands historically called Judea and Samaria (now the West Bank) plus Gaza are entirely within the 20% slice of the British Mandate left over after the creation of Transjordan. The British Mandate Overview page gives a table with the details of this geographical distribution of the Mandate lands.
In all of the history of the region, there never was a Palestinian Arab state. The Palestinian Arabs are not a distinct people. With very few exceptions, they are a highly mixed group of immigrants from all over the Middle East and even further regions: Assyrians, Persians and Romans from ancient times, Turks, Armenians, Greeks, Albanians, and Italians, Afghans, Kurds, other Europeans including Germans, Bosnians, Circassians as well as Egyptians, Bedouins, Algerians, Sudanese and many others who have been identified in the population. Most of today's inhabitants can trace their history in the Palestine area no further than the early 20th century when many came to Palestine attracted by the Zionist prosperity and, after World War I, the political stability of the British administration of the Mandate.
Palestinian Arabs have been offered the opportunity to create a state many times, starting with plans advanced during the British Mandate which the Arabs rejected. Then the United Nation partition plan of 1947, which brought Israel into existence, included a nation for the Palestinians, but the Arabs rejected it. Over the decades since there has been plan after plan that would bring peace to the region and a state for the Palestinians: all they had to do was let Israel live in peace. Arabs rejected all these plans, up to and including at Camp David in 2000 and Taba in 2001, and kept the armed struggle going.
Maria --
I want to repost the last part of my above comment for emphasis:
"Then the United Nation partition plan of 1947, which brought Israel into existence, included a nation for the Palestinians, but the Arabs rejected it. Over the decades since there has been plan after plan that would bring peace to the region and a state for the Palestinians: all they had to do was let Israel live in peace. Arabs rejected all these plans, up to and including at Camp David in 2000 and Taba in 2001, and kept the armed struggle going."
See, the Arabs rejected the plan, so they are the ones who don't play well with others. Take your allah god and get lost.
Maria, what you hate is war, correct? We all do.
The next time you hear allah u akbar, shouted, remember that it is not a cry of justice, it is a cry of triumph.
Be it for a little thing, or great.
The allied expeditionary force was not in the middle east before the Islamic revival, it followed in response to its wake.
The tide has not ebbed.
The guy the fastest with the mostest, cannot say peace, until the other guy stops fighting.
It's a dirty business, but we try our best to stay out of the muck, and keep others out as well. It's the way it is.
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Why did Arafat turn away from Clintons peace deal at the last moment? Because he couldn't enforce it even if he wanted to, and he didn't want to. After he passed, the true power in Gaza came to the forefront; Arafat was just the salesman, from the firm who had lost its market share. If you watch Christian Prince's video on the Jihadwatch thread, you will see who he was up against. They are proxy, of nation states. Implements of attrition, cannon fodder. Their job is disruption - whether they know it or not. And they do know it, it is glorious to be at the front of Allahs paradise. That is what Jihad is, the call to paradise, not only for the participant, but for the family as well.
Israel was ready to sign away gains. Arafat could not, because the Lords of the Muhammadan, would not. And Arafat wanted to go to paradise and have his name sung in the banquet halls. He is forgotten.
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Why did the US invade Iraq? Weapons of mass destruction? I'll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
Saddam was paying $30,000 per shaheed to the family's of those who were targeting pizza shops in Israel. He was on not so secret double probation for gobbling up, ironic, like Hitler, assets of foreign investment. Enough was enough. When Saddam was overthrown, the intifada stopped. Until Iran and Syria and God knows who else picked up the ball.
We used the opportunity to surround Iran, who was, and still is, the second and more unstable arm of the revolution. WMD's.
So you hate war? Injustice? Most of us do too. Every one is dirty, but only one is clean.
It's a religious revival, not with washing, and laying on of hands, but of triumph - allah u akbar.
We just say no, that's all.
Maria, there is nothing sacred about children who have been programmed to kill you because you are Jewish. If your children are waging war against their Jewish neighbors with rocks, stopping them with bombs and missiles is entirely appropriate. War is ugly, but Israel only went in long after it should have. I'm not moved by dead Palestinians anymore. They preach death, they teach death, they breath and breed it, and they desire it. Let them have it until they don't want it anymore.
My only criticism of Israel -- why did you wait so long?
Imagine the outrage if Israel had been firing rockets into Gaza in an attempt to pick a fight with Hamas, as Hamas has done to Israel. Hamas got away with picking fights with Israel for years and the world remained quiet. Now they finally do the right thing and defend themselves, and suddenly the spooky Mohammadens come out in droves foaming at the mouth.
Yeah, imagine if the roles were reversed and Israel fired just one rocket into Gaza trying to pick a fight with Hamas -- in one DAY and with one rocket the crazies would rear their ugly heads and there would have been rioting in the streets. What a disgusting double-standard the Muslims have. I'm just sick of it, and I'm so glad that Israel has finally taken action.
Go Israel!!!!
I could think of several more criticisms of Israel:
1) The fact that they don't conscript their Arab population like they do the rest of the population. Not only is this racist, but it's disadvantageous. They would have far fewer Arabs if their policy were fair.
2) The fact that they still deal with Egypt, who constantly violates the terms of the Camp David Accords and teaches their children to hate Jews just as much as the "Palestinians," but does not teach them to be quite so militant, nor does it have the same culture of infanticide, I guess to their credit.
3) The fact that they gave back the Sinai. So stupid.
4) The fact that they never took back the Sinai, even though they have every right to per the terms of the Camp David Peace Accords.
5) Their acceptance of treason among their Arab population.
6) The fact that they never made it a term of the Camp David Accords to make Egypt and Jordan take on the "Palestinian" population.
7) The fact that they give aid to nations which seek to destroy them, e.g. tsunami detectors to Indonesia.
posted by champ
Then the United Nation partition plan of 1947, which brought Israel into existence, included a nation for the Palestinians, but the Arabs rejected it
who the hell was the UN to give away the palestinians land to jewish immagrants from europe of course the Arab rejected it as it meant Arab where being forced of out of there homes and there land was being taken by the jewish immagrants.
jdamn champ jewel atkins was there a Isreal before 1947? No there wasnt there where very few jewish people living there the majority of People that time where Palestinians and they where being forced of there land by jewish immagrants its why they where angry and attacked Israel what do you expect them to do leave there homes quielty and shut up about about it would you do the same thing if somebody was forcing you out of your home?
Also dont forget the Jews that time Also used terroism against the British to create Isreal
Stern gang dissident terrorist groups, used force to try to drive the British out of Palestine.
This included bombing of trains, train stations, an officers club and British headquarters in the King David Hotel, as well as kidnapping and murder of British soildiers just so israel could be created so there you have israel was created on ethnic cleansing of palestinians and Terrorism against the british
Maria visualize me ignoring you.
Maria --
The UN was involved due to the fact that Arabs did not control that region at the time, it was under BRITISH RULE.
The Brits ruled that region since 1917 until 1948. And they didn't just take land away from the Palestinians, but an even larger piece of real estate was established for the Palestinians, which is Jordan.
But the Arabs weren't happy with that deal, and they didn't want to just settle for Jordan, they wanted Israel, too. They were angry that the Jews were allowed to return to their homeland, and they didn't want them to have ANY land in that region at all. Not even the smaller piece of real estate that they currently have, which is Israel. Established on May 14, 1948. The Jews only wanted their original homeland, while the Palestinians were given Jordan. And Jordan is huge. Have you ever looked at a map of Jordan?
This is a great "Historical Timeline of Israel" that better explains why the UN was involved in this decision to give Israel back to the Jews. Read it, because the Arabs did not always control that region:
http://contenderministries.org/middleeast/timeline.php
Another great link pertains to Palestine:
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_faq_palestine_whynostate.php
Here's an excerpt from the above link:
"First of all, the Palestinian Arabs do have a state. Its called Jordan."
"During the League of Nations Mandate period, the land originally set aside by the League of Nations as the Palestine Mandate was supposed to provide for a national home for the Jewish people. The British were given the authority to manage the Mandate and help the Jews make the transition to independence. Instead, almost 80% of the original Mandate land was carved out and arbitrarily made into the Arab country of Trans-Jordan (later renamed Jordan). In all the land of the Mandate east of the Jordan River it was "No Jews Allowed". West of the Jordan, the 20% part of the Mandate, the British restricted Jewish immigration and gradually adopted policies that were more and more pro-Arab. Palestinian Arabs are the majority of the population of Jordan even today."
"All of Israel today, and the Jewish lands historically called Judea and Samaria (now the West Bank) plus Gaza are entirely within the 20% slice of the British Mandate left over after the creation of Transjordan. The British Mandate Overview page gives a table with the details of this geographical distribution of the Mandate lands."
"In all of the history of the region, there never was a Palestinian Arab state. The Palestinian Arabs are not a distinct people. With very few exceptions, they are a highly mixed group of immigrants from all over the Middle East and even further regions: Assyrians, Persians and Romans from ancient times, Turks, Armenians, Greeks, Albanians, and Italians, Afghans, Kurds, other Europeans including Germans, Bosnians, Circassians as well as Egyptians, Bedouins, Algerians, Sudanese and many others who have been identified in the population. Most of today's inhabitants can trace their history in the Palestine area no further than the early 20th century when many came to Palestine attracted by the Zionist prosperity and, after World War I, the political stability of the British administration of the Mandate."
"Palestinian Arabs have been offered the opportunity to create a state many times, starting with plans advanced during the British Mandate which the Arabs rejected. Then the United Nation partition plan of 1947, which brought Israel into existence, included a nation for the Palestinians, but the Arabs rejected it. Over the decades since there has been plan after plan that would bring peace to the region and a state for the Palestinians: all they had to do was let Israel live in peace. Arabs rejected all these plans, up to and including at Camp David in 2000 and Taba in 2001, and kept the armed struggle going."
The Arab Muslim war against "Zionist occupiers" extends back to 1880. In their 1920 revolt, the Arabs killed and drove out Jewish residents of Hebron, one of Rabbinic Judaism's Four Holy Cities (the others are Jerusalem, Safed, and Tiberias).
Jews have always lived in the Holy Land; they have been a majority in greater Jerusalem since 1860. The modern city of Tel Aviv was founded on a site of coastal dunes in 1909.
In 1937, in the wake of the Arab revolt of 1936, the Peel Commission proposed one of many "two-state" solutions, offering a Jewish State that consisted of a coastal strip, the Jezreel Valley, and most of the Galilee; the Jews were in favor, reluctantly; the Arabs adamantly opposed--they have always sought all-[for them]or-nothing[for Jews].
Israel is a nation, with a national language and alphabet--Modern Hebrew--and a national purpose--the refuge and home of the Jewish People and others, Druzes, Sudanese refugees, Christians (including Hebrew-speaking Christians), Bahais; and, of course, the Arabs, who enjoy full citizenship and political representation.
Israel is as much a legitimate, sovereign nation-state (or even more so) as Ireland (autonomous, 1920; independent, 1937), or Pakistan (founded in intercommunal bloodshed in 1947) or East Timor, Eritrea, Djibouti, ad infinitum.
Maria and kind, for once, exercise objectivity and get real. Dispossed people? Greek Cypriots, driven from the homes in the north by the Turkish army in 1974, are granted no "right of return"; neither are a half-million Hindu Pandits driven out of (Indian) Kashmir by Muslim mobs in 1981; nor are ethnic Germans allowed to return to their lost homes and lands where they had lived for centuries--Pomerania, Silesia, East Prussia, the Sudeten--no; now, German Koenigsberg is Russian Kaliningrad; Polish Lwow is now Ukrainian Lvov; Polish Kowno is now Lithuanian Kaunas. And Bulgaria won't get Thrace back; so it goes, ad infinitum.
Oh, and let's not forget the one million Jews living in Muslim lands, as they had for centuries, even before Islam, who (in the aftermath of Israel's founding) fled or were expelled from those lands, and who found refuge in Eretz Yisrael. No one seems to remember them or their lost homes, property, or wealth, do they?
Typo: "Disspossed people?" should read, "disspossessed people?"
Corrected correction: "Dispossed people?" should read, "Disspossessed people?"
Corrected correction: "Dispossed people?" should read, "Dispossessed people?"
[let's try one more time.]
Posted by: John C
Maria and kind, for once, exercise objectivity and get real. Dispossed people? Greek Cypriots, driven from the homes in the north by the Turkish army in 1974, are granted no "right of return"; neither are a half-million Hindu Pandits driven out of (Indian) Kashmir by Muslim mobs in 1981;
John C yes Greek Cypriots where driven from there homes in the north by the Nazi Turkish military but Greek Cypriots should be allowed to return to there old homes and the HIndu pandits who where forced out of kashmire by muslim terrorist should also be allowed to return to there homes. And also the Palestinians as well have a right to return to there land.
Maria, you are obviously a Muslim, not a Christian. Please stop with the pretense.
If Palestinian Arabs with legitimate claims can be compensated by an international fund set up for this purpose, fine; that can be negotiated. But 60 years of turbulent history are not going to be undone; and homes that no longer exist are not going to be reclaimed by descendants of people who no longer live there.
As the saying goes, "two wrongs don't make a right." To propose remedying a debatable historic wrong, by imposing an even greater wrong (that is, the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state) is no justice at all. And, as I have noted before elsewhere, the Muslim believes in repaying an injury in kind, but not in degree; for he typically seeks to repay an injury with a like injury in greater degree. Why, then, measure justice with that measure with which the Muslim measures?
Don't feed the trolls!
There, I posted a sign now ... can we get on with discussing the topic?
Our friend "Maria" is a Communist and doubtless grew up having anti-American and anti-Semitic propaganda being beaten into her with regularity by her fearless leaders (who were likely of KGB stock).
"Maria" has been forcibly (by her government) kept unaware that America is a free country where the PEOPLE decide what their government does. (Where Maria is from it is the other way around). Maria seems convinced that America is a dictatorship (people who think this are nearly always from Communist countries).
"Maria" has no clue that the US government was pressured by its own citizens into fighting against Islamic terrorist networks (which like mnany Communsits she and all Communists wrongly believes are of American origin..when was the last time anyone saw a white Christian American suicide bomber?????).
"Maria" is clueless that Israel is the Middle East's ONLY democracy and the ONLY onewhere human rights have any real meaning.
"Maria" is unaware that it is Communism that has maintained a nexus with militant Islam (and not America). Yasser Arafat was on the KGB payroll in the 1950s and 1960s. No Communist fearless leader would ever dare tell their lesser and unequal Comrade something like that about their own government.
"Maria" again is unaware that Russia violated Afghanistan's sovereign rights (Islamic or not) and with no provovation on the part of the Afghani people. It was Russia that was clearly the aggressor in Central Asia and all the USA did was train groups of Muslim militans to repel the Russian armed forces from a land they had unjjstly invaded--if Russia had minded its own business as it should have this unfortunate episode in American history could not have happened (next time the American government will-- we hope-- know better than to attempt to harness Islam as a force... and leave this sort of thing to the Communists which they are better at). no self-respecting Comrade will spill the beans on this to a lesser "comrade" thay might stop hating America (can't have that!) if they were to do so.
This girl quickly tells us that Americans and Jews are behind global terror while she fails to realize that terrorist activity is outlawed by both Judeism and Christianism and would never be accepted by the populations of Israel or America. She bemoans the fate of "Palestinian" children but apparently not about HAMAS training "Palestinian" children to be soldiers (setting them up to be killed..and then using them as human shields even in front of news cameras of israelis).
Maria believes that Zionists are attempting to take over the world and really has no idea why they would attempt such a thing when in fact they are largely supportive of democracy and representative government(democracy makes world conquest obsolete to anyone who isn't a total megalomaniac anyway). No COmmie fearless leader has dared to inform our "Maria" that Jews have worked on more projects that were beneficial to humanity than any other ethnicity (including all the Communist bloc nations put together).
Gee, I wonder WHO has been teaching her these sorts of things?
If only Communists could FINALLY admit and teach that Communist nations are uncompetitive in human affairs and will always be outdone in benefiting humanity by free nations (that leaves out Communist, Socialist and Islamic nation states).
"Maria" is another sad example of brainwashing by 'Socialist' (Communist) government. A potantially good human having been laid waste to humanity by an evil ideology.
Posted by: pythagoras
Maria" again is unaware that Russia violated Afghanistan's sovereign rights (Islamic or not) and with no provovation on the part of the Afghani people
America is also Violating Afghanistans sovereign rights you invaded Afganistan and overthrew the taliban to install a puppet goverment.
Posted by: pythagoras
"Maria" is clueless that Israel is the Middle East's ONLY democracy and the ONLY onewhere human rights have any real meaning.
you call Israel Demoncratic while it illegally occupies palestine for the past 60 years and continues to drop bombs on civilians and innocent children
Posted by: pythagoras
This girl quickly tells us that Americans and Jews are behind global terror while she fails to realize that terrorist activity is outlawed by both Judeism and Christianism and would never be accepted by the populations of Israel or America
i never said it was jews or Americans behind global terror i said it was the zionist controlled goverment in America that is partly to blame for most of the mess in the world.
?Maria": Yes--you DID indeed say that America and israel were behind global terrorism. (All Communists say this anyway).
It is too late fro you to backpedal on this--you're taking the rap for it.
The Hope of two thousand years--long live Zion!
Now, I see. Hypocrites, the lot of you, by whatever name you go by. This troll has no rational argument. Zionists, so-called--read, Jews--have, to their miniscule minds, no rights at all. And yet these loons think that Jews lord it over all--"zionist contolled government in America"? What raving idiocy!
You're wasting your time with Maria. Despite the presentation of facts, history and logical argument she still clings to the "you call Israel Demoncratic while it illegally occupies palestine for the past 60 years and continues to drop bombs on civilians and innocent children" position.
He/She's not clueless. You've provided plenty of clues that just won't penetrate that lead shell filled with clay that sits atop his/her shoulders. He/She (It) is firmly committed to it's opinion that Israel has no right to exist.
I am sorry but i have to say this
These liberal women in hollywood.
they look to me like they would be at home
in an SS Uniform themselves..
They act like SS Gestapo agents who will throw you in jail if you disagree with their views..
They call good as evil and evil as good.
Sounds like the Gestapo and hitler did find some poor soul to bear their offspring..
then sent them to hollywood..
Morons..
Roseanne Barr/Rosie O'Donnell - you mean these are actually different people?
Slightly off topic, and perhaps a bit of a quibble: The term "Internet" is often used as a synecdoche for the "World Wide Web" (or simply "The Web") but these are actually two distinct things. Tim Berners-Lee conceived of the WWW, which uses Internet technology for communications, but he did not invent the Internet itself.
"And Bulgaria won't get Thrace back; so it goes, ad infinitum."
Posted by: John C
Actually, I've always thought all of Thrace (including Constantinople) should be returned to the Greeks. ;-)
Maria
King David was a Jew so was Solomon and they were kings over Israel. They reigned over Israel many thousand of years before the rag tag of Muslim Arabs and their buddies were given Jordan. They were once a part of the Ottoman Empire until the British split the land up and then they lived in Jordan. The Jordanians killed many so-called Palestinians and sent them packing because they were so unruly. The the UN returned the land of Israel back to the Jews, once owned by Rome. Rome took the land in 70 and again in 135 due to Jewish uprising.
Muhammad never visited Jerusalem, only in his dreams, as stated by by child bride.
The Arabs have all of the land and why cant the Jews live there. Have you ever seen the maop of Israel. The size of a pencil compared to a legal size paper. Give back the Sudan to the Black Africans! Arabs rule their land and have killed over 2 million and you talk about less than a thousand mislead Arab, who have JIM CROW against African-Palestinians.
Maria the Arabs under the Jewish rule live better and dont want HAMAS of Fatah.
The criminals in Cuba dont want to leav e. They live good and want to stay. They are asking "Obama, please let me stay".