The ongoing exploits of Fr. Zakaria Botros: "God does not pray!"

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"As for Allah..."

Recently Father Zakaria Botros—also named World Magazine’s “Daniel of the Year”—briefly examined the oft-repeated phrase uttered by Muslims every single time Muhammad’s name is evoked, and which is often relayed in English as “blessings and peace upon him” (also seen as the acronym PBUH—“peace be upon him”).

The original Arabic phrase uttered after Muhammad’s name is Sala Allah ‘aliyhi we sallam, which literally translates into “Allah pray on him and peace.” This is founded on Koran 33:56, where it says that "Allah and his angels pray (yi-sal-un) on the prophet..."

At one point or another, every Arabic speaker who reflects on this phrase asks, “Why—and how—does Allah go about praying on Muhammad?”

The standard response from the ulema has been that, in this context, Sala does not mean “pray” but rather “bless.” This is why the phrase states “on him” (‘aliyhi) not “to him” (iliyhi): only the latter would clearly mean that Allah prays to Muhammad—which, of course, would be absurd.

As Father Botros points out, however, there are some problems with this explanation. First of all, rare are the Arabic dictionaries indicating that the word Sala means “to bless”; indeed, the only time Sala means "to bless" is when Allah does it, as in the aforementioned verse, which obviously is never translated as "pray."

More telling is when Botros read aloud one of the standard recitations Muslims say at specific events from Al-Majmu’ Al-Nawwawi, vol.8, p.202: “Allah Sala on Muhammad and his family, as you did with Ibrahim and his family." After a few more recitations, the prayer goes back and says, "Allah bless Muhammad and his family, as you did with Ibrahim and his family…”

Botros’ pertinent question: If Sala means to “bless,” why then does the recitation go on to use the proper Arabic word for “bless” (Baraka/Barik) in the same exact context? If both mean “bless,” why the redundancy? Surely, then, Sula does not mean bless; does it mean "pray"?

He then read from a very telling hadith recorded in Kitab Al Sunna by Abdullah bin Ahmad, vol.1, p.272: Apparently, when Muhammad reached the 7th heaven during the Isra and Mi'raj, he encountered Gabriel, who immediately said “Shh! Wait, for Allah is praying (Sala).” Muhammad asked: “Does Allah pray?” to which Gabriel said, “Yes, he prays.” Muhammad then asked, “What does he pray?” and Gabriel said “Praise! Praise the Lord!”

Father Botros, now visibly irritated, put the book down, looked in the camera, and asked: “How can Allah pray, and to whom?! Who does Allah magnify?!”

It was not clear what his rhetorical questions meant. On the surface, it sounded as if he was just annoyed at the notion that Muslims say that Allah "prays" (to which he called them kafirs, infidels, for doing so). More closely, however, it almost seemed that he was agreeing that "Allah" does pray and magnify "Another."

In fact, it seems he may have been subtly implying that Allah is but another creating being -- like the Jinn and Iblis -- who, perhaps in fear and trepidation, worships the "real" God.

Just one more reason to make Muslims try to eliminate Botros -- even while other, more sober, Muslims reconsider what they have long held as "gospel" (or, in this case, "koran").

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The True God abundantly bless Father Zakarias, we humbly pray!

Zakaria Botros is pointing out the obvious contradictions in Islam/Quran, which should be obvious to so called "Islamic Scholars". If the high ranking Islamics ignore that, a nit-wit average Pali-Wali will never get that. That means Islam is a complete faked monster.

I wish I could get this guy's material in English.

"Allah and his angels pray (yi-sal-un) on the prophet..."

Pray, prey...

Satan and his minions preyed on mo.

Muhammad (phony prophet be upon him)

I've posted this once before, but thought it very on topic and worth posting again.

"“Everything that comes from Satan is a lie. According to the Bible. So one is lying and the other is not. I for one will believe the results or as the Bible also puts it the fruit.
Matt 7:15-20
15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 “So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 “So then, you will know them by their fruits.”
Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL!"

Well going by the Bible we can learn of the true nature of God.

Hebrews 6:18 “That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:”

And in the bible we learn the nature of Satan also.

John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

As for “Allah” we can learn the true nature from the Koran, which I gather from online sources.

Sura 3:54 Arabic: Wa Makaru wa makara Allah wa Allah Amkaru al Makireen.

In English it says, Sura 3:54 "and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers"

Likewise the phrase of Allah "being the best deceiver". kheir ol makarein, is also used of Allah in Suras 8:30 and 10:21. Sura 10:21 says Allah is the fastest in planning/deceit

Other references to the plotting/deceit/scheming of Allah are Sura 7:99; 27:50; 13:42; 14:46; 43:79; 86:15f.; 7:100; 4:14.

In case people have questions, I gathered an etymology from online sources for the Arabic word: Makara

“The Arabic word makara means to deceive, scheme, or plan. The Arabic Bible in Genesis 3:1 uses the same word for Satan. However, the Vand Dyck and Jerusalem Bibles use the root word hayala.
This word "schemer" (maakir) is a very strong word which Wehr and Abdel-Nour define as "sly, cunning, wily". The Arabic-Arabic unjid defines it with khuda`a which means exactly the same thing (by Bill Campbell in his book The Qur'an and the Bible in the Light of History and Science p.217-218).”

Someone’s interpretation of Sura 3:54

“The person who is a makir (same form as the word kafir) speaking of the attribute of a person is one who would outwit someone else to cause them harm. It speaks of one who would reveal the opposite of what he plans to do. The reality is that he is scheming evil for that person. So yes there is the sense of planning and scheming but mostly it means to trick, outwit and deceive for the purpose of overpowering and conquering the other. A makir is one who devises a secret scheme against someone else. Synonyms would be cheating, defrauding, double-crossing, deceiving, tricking, in all cases makara has the sense of defeating the one you have tricked.”

So what is the context of Sura 3:54
The context of this story is very important. Sura 3 is regarded to be the great dialogue of Muhammad with the Christians. Al-Tabari says here that the deceit of Allah applies to the time where the Jews wanted to kill Isa the son of Mary. In order not to be killed Allah put the appearance of Jesus’ face on someone else, who was crucified instead of Jesus.

So, it’s the Atonement of our sins on Calvary that Allah is called khayr ulmakirin the most deceitful, claiming it never happened. This brings about one question, “Who would want to conceal this? Who would want to be a Makir and declare it never happened?” Here the true nature of Allah is revealed!

I guess President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would know a lot about the methods of Makara and it’s Prince. We can watch President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad practice it all we want to.

(I take no credit for this composition, since a lot of it is lifted from web sites with far more expertise in Biblical, Koranic, and Linguistic then I have. I’m just a lot sloppier of a scholar then Mr. Spencer and his numerous footnotes and clear arguments).

This is just one more example of why the whole "story" of Mohammed traveling through the 'seven heavens' is totally untrue.

In this 'trip', Mohammed also tells us that he argued his way down to just five prayers a day, supposedly getting 'allah' to change his mind and submit to "the prophet"......just one more of those details that never occurs in the Torah or Bible....

The True God does not submit to men, men submit to HIM.

Secondly, the Bible is very clear that until the day of judgement, our adversary satan, is constantly advocating against us in the presence of God.

Satan and his fallen angel cohorts (demons) know full well that God is the True God, and not satan (whom we are also told comes as an angel of light- i.e. 'lucifer' and is also known as 'the great deceiver').

The supposed appearance of the 'angel Gabriel' to Mohammed as he began his 'ministry' in the hidden cave is also more consistent with the mannerisms of satan than of any angel of the Lord.

There is no experience in the Bible where a prophet (or anyone else for that matter) encounters Gabriel whereby Gabriel proceeds to choke the recipient of his message to the point of near death to get his point across.

The true God is a God of order, not a God of confusion. Since satan is the father of lies, it is much more likely that these instances Mohammed reported are founded on encounters with satan than they are encounters with God or His trusted angels.

In fact, that is the same thing Mohammed told his wife when he returned from his sabbatical- that he had encountered satan.

For some reason, that story is one of the few that we are told not to believe or study too hard..... I wonder why? Perhaps because it is the only one in the whole Qur'an that is actually true?

I read somewhere that on his death bed Mohammad, in his delirium, called on Allah to forgive him.
The fact that Mohammad was not sure of his heavenly status, is what prompted (PBUH).

If it were a forgone conclusion that Mohammad was in Paradise, no (PBUH) would be necessary...Unless of course Paradise is not peaceful...

I love this guy! Raymond, please keep up the weekly posts!

For "payingattention" some of his shows are being translated at:
http://www.staringattheview.blogspot.com/

I wish he would do more translations! (I read quickly, and cannot get enough of this guy!)

You rarely meet truly brave people! Knowing the looney toons who will hear this and plan to kill him, yet he continues! Go Father Zakaria Botros!

I'm surprised Father Zakaria is just irritated. I'd be foaming at the mouth.
I think the need to nitpick about Koranic accuracy - or absurdity - is in direct proportion to the degree of the violence of its adherents. Ali Sina and the crew at Faith Freedom Int'l have made a fine art of it.

Many thanks to Raymond for keeping us informed about Botros' interesting show.

Father Zakaria Botros is one of the greatest weapons against islam. Probably why al Qaida has a $60 million contract on his head.

For "payingattention" and "geoffc" you can find a lot of Father Zakaria Botros' material at his site, http://www.fatherzakaria.net/

Sure, Geoffc; and thanks Traeh. Will continue.

Thanks geoffc and thanks kyros.

Man there is a lot to pay attention to nowadays eh..

But of course, Allahu Akbar, not God is great but God is greatest!

Slightly of topic, but I feel that readers of this site should not miss this latest development not picked up by other international media, but this is very telling particulary in light of French policy on such matters! Its both bizzare and frightening.

http://timescolumns.typepad.com/gledhill/2009/01/conspiracy-agai.html?OTC-widgets&ATTR=tolblogs

Its from the Times UK, should the link not work the title is; 'Conspiracy' against Muhammad, by Ruth Gledhill posted on Times blogs on 04 January 09.

'Conspiracy against Muhammad' my foot(more like conspiracy against Infidel nations and their populace)!

It looks like Nu Labour are now getting desperate.

Regards to all,

JV

Amen to Father Zakarias, Peace Be Upon him!

Good one, Jewel! Yeah, peace upon him, LOL! Muhammad never deserved such an honor.

Allah probably is another creature, like an insecure, fallen angel of death or something along those lines. He seems to always want something painful, self-serving, or detrimental to the giver and whatever he gets, it's never enough.

Very interesting post, Agent Maxwell Smart, and thank you for the link, jv. Thank you for continuing to bring us these pieces, Raymond. We haven't heard from staringattheview in a while, have we, unless she was around while I was gone the week before last? I worry about her and I pray for her. She is very brave for providing us with her translations right from the belly of the beast, KSA.

Father Zakaria, if you're reading this, you're absolutely beloved.

Raymond, I have an Arabic question from the article that jv posted. If it's annoying, just don't respond and I'll understand. It says:

The main two [spellings], Mohammed and Muhammad (a non-Arab Muslim would adopt the name ending in -ed while an Arab Muslim would adopt the -ad ending)...

Why is that? I know two Arab guys with "Mohammed" in their names. One's first name is "Muhammad" and the other guy's last name is "Mohammed." They're both Egyptian. So is that just some crazy theory in the article or did the one guy with the last name "Mohammed" just transliterate incorrectly? Do you know where such a convention would come from? I mean, is it some kind of supremacist rule like the one forbidding Arab women from marrying non-Arab men, forbidding non-Arabs from spelling their name with "-ad?" And why would it matter, given that there are over a dozen ways of spelling it and English is a kafir language? Is there some kind of crazy, arbitrary, pointless rule factory in Riyadh where they churn out stuff like this and fatwas against Mickey Mouse?

A fallen angel, like the one in the Book of Job?

Islam is self-incriminating...

Father Zakarias should be the Pope in Rome!! he has so much knowledge and would just waken the sleepy Christians and most importanly Muslims! The Pope in solidarity should invite Father Zakarias to Rome to a talk and would he helpful to show the world that Christians are united against islamists!

So Allah worships and prays to himself and makes deals with a thieving caravan raider over prayers?

How absurd!

"In this 'trip', Mohammed also tells us that he argued his way down to just five prayers a day, supposedly getting 'allah' to change his mind and submit to "the prophet"......just one more of those details that never occurs in the Torah or Bible...."


Well--actually it did happen in the Bible, once, that I know of. It happened when God revealed his plan to Abraham, that He was going to destroy Soddom and Gomorrah.

Abraham bargains with God, persuading the Lord to reduce the mandatory number of righteous men dwelling in Soddom, to prevent its destruction, from fifty to ten.

We all know how well that turned out, for Soddom. ;)

Of course, in those days, Abraham, and God's other prophets communed directly with God.

Muhammed was not so favored. According to the tale of Muhammad's "Night Journey", he, Muhammed, conversed directly with God only that one time. The rest of the time, "Jibreel" passed down the dictation of the Qur'an.

Hell, the fact that the Buraq shied away from Muhammed, as he tried to mount it, should tell anyone something isn't quite right about Muhammed.

Animals are sensitive to 'wrongness' in people...

Just to play the devil’s advocate: Muslims always point out the incidents where God was praying to God the Father as evidence against his divinity. Also, Abraham in Genesis negotiated with God about the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah. In other passages it is mentioned that God repented in regret or in pity. Muslims always take advantage of passages in the Hebrew bible to draw criticism of the doctrines of Jihad, drawing on many passages where God extols the Israelites to commit genocide, allows them to take war booty and use captured women as concubines.

Muslims always use the OT to prove a point then say it was corrupted. Now is it corrupt or not.
The OT is just that OLD. Jesus brought a new covenant and this would dismiss Islam as it tried to copy the Talmud and the Torah. Jewish rabbis said that the Talmud was not from God, but saying of rabbis. Everything in the Talmud, Muhammad reversed it. There was no ISA, but a name Jesus in English. Muhammad never knew the name of Jehovah as the orthodox Jews didnt use the name as they thought it was too sacred to use. The bible had told them to make God's name known but they didnt, therefore Muhammad never knew the YHWH. The OT Jews were never converting anyone, just trying to rid the areas of BA'AL worship. When the Jews became enticed to throw their kids to BA"AL fire God, YHWH removed his support. Finally, Iran,Persia, under Cyress took control
of Jerusalem and then the Romans, now back to Jews. JUDAISM RARELY USES THE OT except when
needed. Judaism is not the OT, it is the Talmud and Torah. Love, wisdom,justice and power are attributes of the Creator, and he indeed felt sorry at the death of his creation, but he had to do as he said,as the angels were looking.One angel had already rebelled against God's arrangement, name Satan, along with his demons.
Not one good man was found in Sodom, even with the lessening of the amount. God knew there were none, but Lot had to find out for himself. Free moral agents angels and men were given. Only Allah said submit or die!

Shopping the other day I overheard two women, one described how a plate of glass had fallen out of a window above her and missed her by inches; "God must have been praying for me" she said. I live in Ireland and all these elderly women are really devout but kinda "ignorant". For me it was one of the funniest things I'd heard in years. Anyone I tell it to also thinks it hilarious. Everybody knows God doesn't pray. And it's totally stupid to say He does; the only explanation is that the one you'r calling God is not God, so you'r prayers need to be redirected to the One True and Only God - Almighty God, Omnipotent God, Omniscient God, Omnipresent God, Creator of all things, Who holds all things in being etc.... faith and reason - go hand in hand. Blessings - Rene







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