Rev. Mahboob Masih: racist?
Absurd Britannia Update: "Presenter sacked for 'supporting the Bible's teachings' on radio," by Andrew Alderson for the Telegraph, January 11 (thanks to Leal):
A radio presenter is taking legal action after he alleged he was sacked for offending Muslims by defending Christianity on air.The Rev Mahboob Masih, a Church minister, claims he was unfairly dismissed and that the action taken against him was a case of religious discrimination.
He had been host of a regular Saturday morning show on Awaz FM, a community radio show in Glasgow, for six years before the row with the station's management blew up.
After a lively religious debate, the radio station management took exception to the content of the discussion. The Rev Masih was accused of not being balanced enough on air. However, Awaz FM refuses to detail anything specific he said that might have offended its listeners.
The Rev Masih and his co-presenter Afzal Umeed were discussing the views of a prominent Muslim speaker, Zakir Naik, who the Rev Masih accuses of belittling the Christian faith on Peace TV, a digital channel.
The Rev Masih says that Mr Umeed asked Asif Mall, a Christian on-air guest, about Mr Naik's remarks. Mr Mall said Mr Naik's comments showed a lack of knowledge of the Bible and of the Koran.
In particular, Mr Mall disputed a claim by Mr Naik that Jesus Christ was not the only prophet to be "the way, the truth and the life".
The Rev Masih, 37, who is the minister in West Kirk, East Kilbride, says that he reluctantly made an on-air apology in an attempt to defuse the row. However, he says he refused a request from a senior station official to deliver an apology in person at the Central Mosque in Glasgow because he felt intimidated and his safety could have been endangered. He also insists he had nothing to apologise for to Muslims....
Indeed.
Link to Telegraph Article is:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/4213994/Presenter-sacked-for-supporting-the-Bibles-teachings-on-radio.html
So, how does muslim propaganda of "There is no compulsion in religion" play into this incident?
Anyone want to take a guess (hint: this is one of the many muslim double-speak)?
"There is no compulsion in Religion" means, of course that if you are a Muslim, nobody should be able to compel you to leave the faith, while if you profess to be of another faith, nobody can compel you to remain in that faith rather then accept the call to become a Muslim.
So Jesus' call to "Follow me" is to be rejected as compulsion, while the Islamist call to convert is to be welcomed with open arms (lest those arms be cut off)
"he also insists he had nothing to apologise for to Muslims...."
Posted by Robert at January 12, 2009 2:11 AM
None of us do.
A religion cannot remain a "black box" which is never opened. As Socrates said, "An unexamined life is not worth living." An unexamined religion is not worth believing in.
How long will it be, before even preaching in church will be forbidden? Until crosses, church bells and any other sign of Christianity is stripped away? Until whispering the name of Jesus when you pray will become a crime?
What a sad situation Britain is in. It seems like Britain is in full dhimmitude mode.
"How long will it be, before even preaching in church will be forbidden? Until crosses, church bells and any other sign of Christianity is stripped away? Until whispering the name of Jesus when you pray will become a crime?"
I give it less than 5 years.
I say to Rev. Masih (which means Christian, by the way and is a common last name in Pakistan of Christians) go the way of Father Zakaria and maybe go into hiding and shout the good news without fear to your Pakistani compatriots.
Just a hint of what the reincarnation of the "Fairness Doctrine" will bring to us in the US.
I keep wishing it weren't so, and yet seeing evidence that the Brits are done, finished.
Maybe there are a few dozen lost in the crowd that still have a backbone.
The "values" of multiculturalism are the values of a slave.
Mohammedanism is imperialist. And it seems it is winning in Britain.
Remember that song that said "Britons never will be slaves", just a memory now.
This is essentially an anti-Christian decision under the usual guise of "tolerance". They cannot use race as a factor.
You can talk about Christianiy, as long as its the pollyanna fairy tail type that wont "offend" anyone....
In particular, Mr Mall disputed a claim by Mr Naik that Jesus Christ was not the only prophet to be "the way, the truth and the life". - from the article above.
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Their beef was about someone not acknowledging mohammed-the-pedophile as a prophet. An individual whose existence has never conclusively been proven, and whose supposed teachings had nothing to do with "the way, the truth and the life"; on the contrary, they're simply about misogyny, hatred, human-rights violations and unquestioning obedience to the mumbo-jumbo contained in Mein Qurampf, among other things.
And they want us all to affirm that such a beast might somehow have been a "prophet."
Oh .. it's a Muslim owned radio station -
This Masih is a Christian Asian/Indian - that would be offensive in itself - to many Muslims - and this is where he may likely have a case.
I've even heard of stories where some have been offered money to convert to Islam -
Right, so a Muslim-run radio station sacks a Christian unjustly. He is taking legal action. The outcome of that legal action is unknown.
How, exactly, does this mean that "Britain is in full dhimmitude mode" or that "Britain is done"?
If a British Court upheld the sacking, yes it would. All we've got so far is Muslims behaving badly.
Cab drivers at American airport refuse to carry passengers with alcohol. America is "therefore" doomed. Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?
THIS IS NO SURPRISE.... ISLAM THE RELIGION OF PEACE AND HARMONY USES RACISM AND INTOLERANCE AS A SWORD AGAINST ALL THOSE WHO OPPOSE THEM. THE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS OF THE WEST WILL BE ITS DOWNFALL TO THESE EXTREMIST ANIMALS. THEY WOULD SEE ALL INFIDELS DEAD OR DYING IF THEY DONT SUBMIT TO ALLAH.
I HOPE TO GOD THAT WE CHRISTIANS CAN WAKE UP THE REST OF OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO THIS MENACE BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.... ISLAM THE RELIGION OF PEACE IS ANYTHING BUT THE TOLERANT PEACEFUL FAITH THEY CLAIM..... THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THEIR TACTICS.
THEY HAVE INFILTRATED THE FRENCH AND NOW THE BRITISH SOCIETIES, THEY ARE WORKING THEIR SICKNESS INTO AMERICA... THEY MUST BE STOPPED
Hey Brits why not pick up some C. S. Lewis and start reading? It is only the zeitgeist of this age which gives us religious "leaders" who preach a syncretist milquetoast Jesus.
Lewis once commented:
"We may note in passing that [Christ] was never regarded as a mere moral teacher. He did not produce that effect on any of the people who actually met Him. He produced mainly three effects -- Hatred --- Terror --- Adoration. There was no trace of people expressing mild approval. " --- C.S. Lewis
So the good Reverend Masih can anticipate one day hearing: "Well done, my good and faithful servant." Hopefully her will not hear it as SOON as some Jihadis would like!
"The Rev Mahboob Masih, a Church minister, claims he was unfairly dismissed and that the action taken against him was a case of religious discrimination."
I feel sorry for the poor reverend. He has yet to figure out it's "religious discrimination" only if it's directed against muslims. However, if it is directed by the muslims it is totally acceptable.
At least in dhimmi Britain.
However, if it is directed by the muslims it is totally acceptable.
At least in dhimmi Britain.
And you know the outcome of the court case?
Ignorant American.
Poud Kafir there is better proof that the Founder of Islam exsit than proof of Jesus exsitance. There is primany,secondary and therthy proof that the Founder of Islam walk the Earth, he wrote letter to other rular while you must except Jesus walking on Earth on faith.
DefenderofIslam, I don't think that "therthy" is a real word. Perhaps thirdly?
Dang, I have a feeling that all sorts of decapitated infidels are going to start showing up in the UK and anybody who says that it's Islamists who are doing it will be accused of a "hate crime". (saw saw, gurgle gurgle)
Don't apologize. Damn the yankees. That's a metaphor, right. This is your moment Rev. Give it what you got. Forget the rubbish. Millions will flock to your cause, and His cause. Do right and risk the consequences.
That is if they don't silence him, by keeping him away from the media, right?
Well, well, well, now we know what the prevailing religion of the EU is - nothing. Not Islam. It is nil.
Did he threaten the guy? Did he insult the guy? No. He merely disagreed that all religions are the same - gasp. Crucify.
Stand up to them. Do what you're called to do. Paid to do. This can be your finest hour - no pun, well, maybe a little.
Rev. if you won't somebody else will have to anyway. You be the man.
Defenderoflies,
Sorry, but I don't believe your definition of faith is the same as a Christian's.
Islamic belief is based on fear during life and sensual rewards in the afterlife. It isn't based on overcoming basic human desires, and it isn't based on the love of G-d. It's the reason Muslims are so insecure and quick to offend, and it's the reason apostates from Islam have to be killed.
You will never know true faith or true peace in Islam. You'll just be another hatefull troll who's "perfect man" was a pedophile, a thief, and a mass murderer who happened to walk this earth.
Are you truely afraid of cracking the Bible because you are afraid you might actually like what you read? If so, then you are a coward too.
DefenderofIslam, no respectable historian doubts that Jesus Christ walked the earth. It is NOT a matter of faith, but of historical fact. Then again, you are the people who deny the holocaust and destroy artifacts on the Temple Mount, insisting that the Jewish temples never existed.
I would expect this kind of nonsense in a Muslim country, but in Britain? This man must sue for religious discrimination, if for nothing else the sake of sane people in Britain who reject this cult of death and intolerance!
DefenderofIslam -
Surely ample proof of Jesus' as a historical figure can be found in the Koran?
How is it then, that you can be anything less than 100% sure that Jesus "Walked the Earth"?
Do you perhaps doubt the Koran?
DefenderofIslam, there is ample documentation that your false "prophet" was an avid drinker of camel urine.
Since you are beholden to emulate your "prophet" at all cost you must from now on drink lots of camel urine or you are not a good moslem.
Alla snackbar!
DefenderofIslam, bottoms UP!
"However, he [Rev. Mahboob Masih] says he refused a request from a senior station official to deliver an apology in person at the Central Mosque in Glasgow because he felt intimidated and his safety could have been endangered."
-- from the article above
The "senior station official" who asked Rev. Mahboob Masih to deliver "an apology in person" at the Central Mosque in Glasgow was essentially asking the Rev. Masih to risk his life. For that request, it is that "senior station official" who should be sued by Masih, and at the very least, fired form his job and kept permanently from the airwaves on which the public relies for, among other things, truthful instruction about what now threatens.
I donot count the bibble or any other religious writing as proof of that person existance. Scholar of history like to have letters,personal books of people who live at that time, government record of birth and death and court hearing.There are only two
founder of than major religion that have about mention paper trail that proof they exist. There is no record of when Jesus was born or where he was born, the Roman Empire at that time kept detail accurrate record. There is great uncertainly of the year that Jesus born rangeing all the way from -8 BCE to +8ACR. We know at what day and year the Founder of Islam was born and what day and year he died. Christ wasnot born on DEC 25 it you read the book of Mark,Luke and Mathrew they all point to being born around late feburary or early march. There is no personal record of him written by other people. We have records of 100's
DefenderofIslam -
Alas, some people here have been rather rude to you, but I'm actually interested in your point of view. You state "I do not count the bible or any other religious writing as proof of that person's existence".
Yet the Koran discusses people such as Jewish Prophets and Jesus as historical, stating that they did such-and-such, and claiming them to be part of Allah's plan.
Are you really saying that you need supporting evidence before believing the Koran? I'm afraid I don't know what there may be in the Islamic religious writings of the Hadith, Sira and Sunnah that might shed more light on whether Jesus was or was not a historical figure, but surely these writings will not disagree with the Koran?
Perhaps you should discuss your problems with doubting the Koran with your Imam?
You have obviously never read the Quran, since Sura 3:45-50, 19:30-35, 43:63-65, 5:116-117, and 5:75 all speak of Jesus and his mother being real people.
It is a good thing you didn’t read it, it will give you nightmares! Don’t read the Bible or the Torah either, you will never sleep again once you realize what utterly disgusting and ignorant human beings all of our ancestors were.
Candide
the fact that *Islam* can be shown to be an evil and irrational religion cannot be used as evidence for a sweeping claim that ALL religions are evil and irrational; the existence of a thief does not necessarily prove that *all* men are thieves.
I have read the TaNaKh, the Gospels, and the Qur'an, as well as samples of Sira and Hadith. In terms of literary quality, morality and basic intelligibility, the Hebrew and Christian scriptures are utterly different from, and far superior to, the Islamic materials (Quran, Sira, and Hadith).
To argue that the TaNaKh and the Gospels are just as evil as the Islamic texts, reveals only the depths of your own ignorance. The Quran or the Sira might indeed give anyone nightmares; the Psalms and the Gospels and the Song of Solomon have rather the opposite effect, they *dispel* nightmares.
Do you honestly believe that Jesus, for example (who lived six hundred years BEFORE Mohammed, is no better than, no different from, Mohammed? Jesus refused to stone a woman; Mohammed, 600 years later, insisted on stoning.
Hey, *Moses* was morally better than Mohammed (proof: only. one. wife; compassion for the plight of oppressed slaves; helped women against bullies) and he lived at least two thousand years before the time of Mohammed.
The Golden Rule, the litmus test of human morality, the 'grammar' of civilisation, is very clearly and strongly taught in both TaNaKh and Gospels, together with a very strong teaching about the significance of each and every human person; everything else, in time, follows.
I suggest you read Tom Cahill, 'The Gifts of the Jews', and have a good long think about where exactly our 'western' concepts of the sanctity of human life, and the significance of the individual human person, originated.