Here is an open letter in The Guardian from UK Muslim leaders to Gordon Brown. The Guardian's editor's note, in italics below, says that the British government "should not alter its foreign policy in order to placate Islamist extremists," but there isn't any such statement in the letter itself. The letter itself is clearly saying just the opposite: that Britain should change its policies toward Israel and the Islamic world, and urge the United States to do so as well -- and Britain should do this in view of the fact that "the anger within UK Muslim communities has reached acute levels of intensity."
In other words, abandon Israel and lie down in front of the global jihad -- or else. And it is noteworthy that one of the signers of this thinly veiled threat of further jihad violence against Britain is none other than the vaunted "moderate" Ed Husain, whose deceptions I discussed here. Is Ed Husain still fooling anyone? Probably, but he isn't fooling (cue Homeric epithet) the incomparable Melanie Phillips, who deftly eviscerates his latest deceptions about Israel and Gaza here, and concludes:
The British government has invested huge hopes in Ed Husain as an attractive and plausible antidote to Islamist extremism in Britain. But how can anyone now believe anything he has ever said when he promulgates such a gross libel as the canard of Israel’s ‘massacre’ of hundreds of ‘innocent' Gazans? How can the government believe that Ed Husain will de-radicalise British Muslims when through articles such as this one he is inciting them to yet more hatred of Israel, the west’s forward salient against Islamist aggression?
They shouldn't, and they must not, but they probably will.
"'We are witnessing a time of great danger': Leading Muslim counter-extremism advisers urge Gordon Brown to hold Israel accountable for its attacks on Gaza," from The Guardian, January 8 (thanks to Yann):
More than a dozen of the government's leading Muslim counter-extremism advisers have signed a joint letter to Gordon Brown to warn that Israeli actions in Gaza are damaging the British government's efforts to tackle religious extremism at home. The 14 signatories – which include several prominent moderate Muslim community leaders – say that while the British government should not alter its foreign policy in order to placate Islamist extremists, it should also avoid taking actions which will play into the hands of radicals.Dear Gordon Brown
As friends of the UK government and firm allies in the government's efforts to tackle extremism at home and abroad, we write to express our acute concern about the possible repercussions of the serious on-going conflict in Gaza.
We wholeheartedly support your calls for an immediate and permanent ceasefire that must include the immediate cessation of Israeli aerial and ground assaults, an end to all rocket attacks into Israel and a total lift of the siege of Gaza. For that to be a viable objective, we believe the UK, the US and our European allies must demonstrate uncompromising leadership in reinstating a workable peace process in the Middle East.
As you are aware, the anger within UK Muslim communities has reached acute levels of intensity. The Israeli government's use of disproportionate force to combat threats to its security has revived extremist groups and empowered their message of violence and perennial conflict. For Muslims in the UK and abroad, we run the risk of potentially creating a loss of faith in the political process.
We agree with your statement on the BBC's Andrew Marr programme (4 January 2009) that we are witnessing a time of great danger. We must do our utmost to prevent permanent damage to relations with Muslim-majority countries, and to work together to ensure such an escalation of violence does not happen again.
A strong transatlantic relationship has been of immense strategic value to the United Kingdom, but we now believe it is imperative that we make our differences and views clear. We urge you to make concerted and successful efforts to convince the US administration of the dangers of its current approach and to ensure that the incoming Obama administration forges a more enlightened direction. The current partisan and simplified narrative emanating from the White House is of serious and direct harm to relations between the UK, North America and Arab countries. It is also potentially undermining our national interests.
We also believe that the UK – bilaterally and as part of the EU – has an important role to demonstrate to Israel that the threshold of acceptable behaviour has been perilously transgressed. We believe the time has come to suspend the EU-Israel upgrade process until the present conflict has been brought to an end. The UK should make clear to Israel, publicly and privately, that genuine and lasting improvements in the occupied territories are a prerequisite for continued political support.
In view of the urgency of the situation, we would like to relay our concerns to you in person at your earliest convenience. It would provide us with an opportunity to subsequently inform our national and global networks of the UK government's efforts to hold Israel accountable to its obligations under the peace process and to ensure that effective negotiation triumphs over violence on all sides.
Yours sincerely,
Dr Tahir Abbas
Navid Akhtar
Parvin Ali OBE
Rokhsana Fiaz
Dr Usama Hasan
Ed Husain
Dilwar Hussain
Aftab Ahmad Malik
Maajid Nawaz
Dr Zahoor Qureshi
Zareena Roohi Ahmed
Asim Siddiqui
Julie Siddiqui
Zeshan Zafar
The UK today, America tomorrow.
Here is Ed Husain, the snake:
"Britain has a duty to Arabs"- not...!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/dec/30/israelandthepalestinians-middleeast
and Melanie Phillips ripped him a brand new hole with her article.
But all things considered, the Muslims are steadily making inroads.
Our politicians are worthless, clueless idiots. PC-wankers who pander where they are supposed to stand firm. Devoid of morals, ignorant of history and hopeful for Arab handouts: good luck with that, Gordon Brown-Nose!
http://sheikyermami.com/2009/01/09/the-brits-want-their-guns-back/
From article: and Britain should do this in view of the fact that "the anger within UK Muslim communities has reached acute levels of intensity."
A threat, and not even veiled.
Let their anger boil over, it always does anyway.
Fury is a blessing from Allah...Most Mohammadans have plenty of it...
The only thing that tops hatred of Jews is
Mohammadan cartoons...
Islam will get away with just exactly what it is allowed to get away with...
However...Many government officials in the west have a huge, observable, yellow streak running up their backs, so appeasement may once again may be the response...Cowardice in western governments means Islam gets away with a lot...
almost all who signed this letter have roots in pakistan. when is uk going to stop immigration from pakistan. perhaps never.
i suppose this portends that the UK/USA will be blamed for the mosque anger boiling over so much that Israel just has to be atomized, or, at the least, overrun, in order to cool things down a bit.
Abandon Israel and lie down in front of the global jihad? Well let's take a look at that statement.
Abandon Israel. Why an exercise in Zionist Jewish supremacism whereby a minority of European native inhabitants of Palestine demanded the right to seize control of the territory with no meaningful regard for the rest of its residents should continue to be supported has no intellectual or moral foundation whatsoever. So sure, why not abandon it? We have enough financial problems in the US without shoveling money to Zionism.
Lie down in front of global jihad. Really? I didn't realize that Gamal Nasser, the Hashemites, and Syrian/Iraqi Ba'athists had been in the vanguard of some kind of global jihad. As well as Palestinian militants like George Habash who was Christian. Sounds like most everything not liked here must therefore be part of some global jihad. Does that include Stalin, Pol Pot, and Kim Il Sung?
And if Melanie Phillips believes defending Zionist Jewish supremacism is at the heart of upholding Western Civiliation, then she sounds like one fairly deluded soul.
Thank you Muslims, for taking off your taqiyya mask already, and for once again proving that the only "moderate" Muslims are the ones who wouldn't be Muslims at all if they knew they wouldn't be killed for leaving the sicko death-cult.
I still believe that you can't judge Muslims by Islam and you can't judge Islam by the Muslims you know, especially since many are apostates in their hearts, but I think at this point that it's fair to say that you actually can judge Muslim leaders by Islam.
If they're not rioting, Mr. Brown, you;re doing something wrong. If you let them continue to riot without deporting them, you're doing something something wrong.
Again, I can't stress the Italy approach enough. It would not make one iota of difference to me as a Jew, nor would it to any Hindu, Buddhist or Sikh, if America were officially a Christian country so long as that's what it takes to outlaw Islam like Italy has de facto done.
Stop Muslim immigration! Help the Hindus and Christians get away from those people. They actually enrich our nations.
Sheik and Richard:
Didn't you guys notice that I referenced and quoted the Melanie Phillips piece in my post above?
Just wondering!
Cordially
Robert Spencer
So unless the British Government changes foreign policies on the Middle East there will be violence.
I wonder when there will be demands for the British Government to reduce immigration into Britain otherwise there will be violence?
So far all violence has come Muslims and the Internazis (masquerading as the self-styled liberal left).
Like it or not fairuzfan,
The Jews have as much right to their homeland as you Arabs do. You were the invaders not so long ago.
There has been a Jewish presence in the land for thousands of years. Why is less than 1% of all the land in the middle East too much for you people?
Don't ever talk about Israel being an apartheid state, see what happened to Jews and Christians after Islam took over any country.
Robert,
As usual your article was of the highest quality. I did notice but just thought I'd emphasise Melanie Phillips' article. I do hope you are not offended.
Again
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
Stephen Gash,
Yes Stephen, you are very correct. Not only will they threaten violence unless the UK does something about Israel(abandons their support for it) but also violence in the UK unless we: make Sharia law our main law system, remove Christianity and all other religions in the UK, stop the selling and producing of Non Halal meat, stop selling and producing Pork and Alcohol, force women to cover up, make homosexuality punishable by death and of course convert to Islam.
We have all the above to look forward to.
It's best to have civil war in the UK now and remove Islam or else it will be far, far worse if we let Islam grow.
There's a saying in the 'doorman/bouncer' fraternity: It's easier stopping trouble at the door than it is getting it out once inside the club!
fairuzfan
Let's have Christian, or better yet, Jewish/Hindu troops capture Mecca and Medina, build temples on the sites of the Ka'aba and Mohammed's mausoleum, and then see how you Mohammedans take it.
Also, isn't it inane to invoke Nasser, Assad, Saddam and Abdullah's of Jordan? Let's look - the first 3 are dead, the current Assad is a puppet of Iran (aren't they Jihadi?), Egypt is run by Mubarak whose foreign policy is only different from the Ikhwan in terms of clandestinely vs openly supporting Jihad, and same is true of the Hashemites of Jordan. Even Iraq, despite the US 'occupation', has a foreign policy identical to Iran as far as Israel goes. And you conveniently avoid mentions of the Pali Jihadis - Hamas, Fatah and Islamic Jihad. As for George Habash, he is an Islamo-Christian client of Syria, as are puppets like Hanan Ashrawi.
It's also hilarious that you consider Stalin, Pol Pot and Kim il Sung your allies. Incidentally, the Soviet Union, while anti-semitic, was not opposed to Israel while under Stalin: that opposition began under Krushchyev.
fairuzfan:
Please produce one statement from me, anytime, anywhere, asserting that Nasser, the Hashemites, the Ba'athists or Habash were jihadists.
Happy hunting.
Would you deny, by the way, that secular Arab nationalism is waning and Islamic jihadism is waxing?
Habash, by the way, was a Christian For Identification Purposes Only. He was a Marxist.
And by the way again, I like Fairuz also.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Who said anything about live ammo? Every heard of rubber bullets, tear gas and water cannons?
These people are not peaceful. It has been seen now that these 'Muslims' behave no differently to Muslims in other countries. We have seen violence already by them in London and their will be more to come.
It show utter contempt for the people of the country they live in and shows no loyalty to people around them. They are Muslim. They are anti Western. It's really that simple.
You miss one thin Mohammad, if these people stay in the UK and grow then we are looking at future bloodshed on a larger scale. Then again I actually think you do, because at the moment you're playing the 'good' Muslim until Islam grows when you become the supporter of violent Jihad against the Infidel.
Come on Mohammad, do you really think us that naive?
"The British government has invested huge hopes in Ed Husain as an attractive and plausible antidote to Islamist extremism in Britain. But how can anyone now believe anything he has ever said when he promulgates such a gross libel as the canard of Israel’s ‘massacre’ of hundreds of ‘innocent' Gazans? How can the government believe that Ed Husain will de-radicalise British Muslims when through articles such as this one he is inciting them to yet more hatred of Israel, the west’s forward salient against Islamist aggression?"
So the Israelis haven't massacred hundreds of innocent Gazans? *confused*
So the BBC, CNN, Al-Jazeera are all just making this up?
Robert,
Why did you delete my post?
Robert,
You replied to my post above and now you've deleted it - why?
Richard
I hadn't noticed that you advocated firing upon protesters in the West.
I abhor the pro-jihad protesters, but I don't advocate firing upon them. When someone else responded to that part of your post, I deleted yours and his. Comments have been used against me too often, and I am not going to stand for advocacy of mass murder, genocide, mass deportation, race supremacism, etc. etc. in the comments here. If I see such posts, they're gone.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
"Who said anything about live ammo? Every heard of rubber bullets, tear gas and water cannons?"
Okay, my mistake. Lets use rubber bullets, tear gas and water cannons against innocent people expressing their disgust at Israel's war crimes in Gaza. There are well over 12,000, the BBC estimates 50,000.
"These people are not peaceful. It has been seen now that these 'Muslims' behave no differently to Muslims in other countries. We have seen violence already by them in London and their will be more to come."
Calm down. There are both Muslims and Non-Muslims in the protest. The Stop the War coalition is not Muslim.
"It show utter contempt for the people of the country they live in and shows no loyalty to people around them. They are Muslim. They are anti Western. It's really that simple.
You miss one thin Mohammad, if these people stay in the UK and grow then we are looking at future bloodshed on a larger scale. Then again I actually think you do, because at the moment you're playing the 'good' Muslim until Islam grows when you become the supporter of violent Jihad against the Infidel."
This is about Israelis brutality in Gaza?
The rest of your 'point' is meaningless.
Interestinconundrum: I'm not an Arab. I'm actually a Jew. Bummer, huh?
Mr. Spencer: I don't believe I said that you made any such statements. My statement was to establish that plenty of folks who have nothing to do with so-called 'jihad' have been fierce foes of the Zionist project and that statements that seem to suggest an inextricable conflation between anti-Zionism and so-called 'global jihad' are not fully accurate. Happy hunting for logical disproof if you think that's not accurate.
But, heck, we'll always have Fairuz we can agree upon.
P.S. for extra points, Mr. Spencer: do you know why Fairuz has made it a general practice never to smile or laugh during her performances?
Sincerely,
Rob E. Barnett
Rob:
Yes.
RS
Robert,
Bringing in the Army to open fire does not mean live ammunition as Mohammed suggested. The most effective way of dispersing aggressive protesters has always been with the use of rubber bullets, tear gas and water cannons as we have seen done countless times especially in mainland Europe.
I'm a bit angry that you deleted the post but then it is your prerogative. I have never advocated killing, but I have advocated the removal of Islam from the West, however you have never deleted any of those posts.
You're the boss ad this is your website, but thnk about it, what other people write is NOT what you write or think. If people think they can label you as the same as what someone else writes then they really are pretty stupid.
The rest of your 'point' is meaningless.
Posted by Mohammed
No it isn't Mo, Richards point is entirely valid.
We had this discussion on another thread (january 5th) where you stated categorically that your allegiance lies to the Koran and Islam and not man made governments. I quote.
I see no contradiction in being a good citizen of the UK and being a good practising Muslim. To me, Islam comes first, I put God before anything, myself, my parents, everything, my faith and conscience help me determine what is right and what is wrong.
Posted by: Mohammad [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 5, 2009 3:02 PM
I responded thus :
You might not see a contradiction, but I certainly do. As a Muslim you profess to believe the Koran is the highest authority on human affairs. Many of the laws laid down in the Koran and Hadith are antithetical to laws that we have established in the UK.
The question asked by Eastview in that thread and implied by RtL in this one is:
Are you willing to swear an oath of allegiance to the nation state where you reside, even if it conflicts with your religious beliefs? Here, of course, I'm referring to the concept of separation of the domains of religious and state power.
What you are saying is that your religious beliefs come first and therefore you will side with the Muslims and the Koran when push comes to shove.
When RtL says,
It's really that simple. You miss one thin Mohammad, if these people stay in the UK and grow then we are looking at future bloodshed on a larger scale. Then again I actually think you do, because at the moment you're playing the 'good' Muslim until Islam grows when you become the supporter of violent Jihad against the Infidel."
He has a perfectly legitamate point.
Tell us exactly why the people of the UK knowing this should openly accept you into their culture, when at any point you could turn in to a violent Jihadists who is driven by your supreme devotion to Muhammadanism.
Mohammed,
These protesters are not innocent but many are violent Muslims and Amti Nazi League/Stop the War Coalition supporters who are there for aggression. These are not War Crimes Mohammad. The Palestinians are protecting Hamas who are attacking Israel. That means that they are not innocent as they know what they are doing.
Stop the War Coalition are made up of fascists from the Left including many Anti Nazi League supporters. You will also notice that most, if not all are actually Anti West unlike the Pro Israeli supporters who fly not just Israeli flags but flags of the Union. Had these supporters been around in WW2 they'd be flying Swastikas.
Of course it is and that brutality is by Hamas and has been since their birth. Israel are defending themselves and instead of waiting to be attacked they've decided to face their attacker head on, in their own territory. Go Israel. I hope they completely obliterate Hamas and remove every single last one of them from Palestine. Hamas are nothing but murderers, killing Jewish people because they are Jewish and nothing else.
Mohammad, every post you make is meaningless as is the Death/Blood Cult that you follow.
RtL
I tend to agree with you that your post was rather innocuous, but I do think it is important to remember that Robert does catch a lot of flak for unmoderated comments.
Try to think of it as more of a friendly fire type incident, rather than as a strict censure of your freedom of speech. There are very few mainstream forums that have the international impact of JW where the debate is so open.
I think your posts are an enormous contribution to this forum and I would hate to think that you would curtail your input because of feeling a bit miffed.
I do speak as someone who has had more than their fair share of posts nuked by the admins. Chill and lets wait for Mo to show up again.
Good post km!
I doubt Mohammed will be able to give you an answer, well not one you hoped for.
I've said it time and time again that to be British, one allies one self to the British people and adheres to British law as well as practicing British Culture. It means that someone who is born in the UK, learns Bengali/Urdu as their first language and reads and follows the Koran is not or ever will be British. One who puts Islam first and Mohammed before they do the King/people of the UK that are Not Muslim is not British.
His culture is Islamic. His beliefs are Islamic. Therefore he is Islamic and a threat to the UK along with every other Muslim that follows Islam.
This is what he is unable to see. But then, he is Muslim, indoctrinated from a young age into Islam. he knows no better. Upon becoming a Muslim he wiped away any rational or free thought that ever existed.
His culture is Islamic. His beliefs are Islamic. Therefore he is Islamic and a threat to the UK along with every other Muslim that follows Islam.
Not to worry though eh RtL, he does at least follow his Islamic conscience.
".....my faith and conscience help me determine what is right and what is wrong."
Snort!
km,
I'm not going anywhere yet. JihadWatch is the best site out there and Robert allows freedom of speech rightly up to a point and calling for the killing of people is wrong, unless they are killing you that is.
This is Robert's baby and I fully respect that and would do nothing to wreck that whatsoever. I would never dream of doing anything like the person of LGF did(I can't remember his name).
It's all goof km, I was merely pointing out that one should not stigmatise someone with the writings and views of another. I understand fully what Robert was meaning and why he does what he does in deleting posts. It was just that Mohammad brought the violent aspect into the debate by stating 'live ammunition' when I was meaning rubber bullets, water cannons and tear gas. I should however have explained myself better.
Good to hear it RtL, we need good men like yourself. Now lets see if Mo turns up and answers the questions we put to him. He didn't the other day, probably the cognitive dissonance was starting to hurt too much. But lets hope he has taken some Neurofen this time and can hang in there a bit longer.
Richard
I'll be praying for you and everyone else who attends the pro-Israel anti-Jihad rally in Trafalgar Square.
There's a rally happening in Sydney this Sunday, too - it will happen first, because Australian time is ahead of English time. I can't be there - I'm just way too far away - but I'm praying for a good turnout.
You know what gets me? - the people dissing Israel go on and on about 'innocent Palestinians [tr: Gazan Arab Muslims]', but the vast majority of those killed, like about 75 %, have been combatants. Or preachers of jihad like that hideous sheikh, father of a suicide-assassin, who got blown up in his house - the only reason his family got blown up with him was because he refused to send them to safety after receiving clear warnings. Indeed, if *he* had heeded the warnings and left also, then he wouldn't have been atomised along with his personal private ammo dump plus the spiritual equivalent thereof (5000 volumes of Islamic hate 'literature' in his basement 'library').
We are going to have to start explaining, over and over, to our clueless politicians, that when Muslim spokespeople say 'innocent' in describing a situation like the battle in Gaza, what they actually mean, most of the time, is 'Muslim'.
According to classical Islam: all Muslims qua Muslims are 'innocent'; all non-Muslims qua non-Muslims are 'guilty' - guilty of the heinous crime of rejecting Islam and resisting Muslim attempts to dominate them and domineer over them.
The genocidal Jew-hating Hamas jihadists are, in traditional Muslim eyes, one and all, as innocent as little snow-white gambolling lambs.
Mohammad...Love the name, very unusual, where did you get it? Is it copy written, or can anyone use it?
In case anyone doesn't know, Fairuz (born in 1935 as Nouhad Haddadنهاد حداد) is an internationally famous Lebanese singer.
I wonder how she is regarded within Hezbollah.
RTL...Don't take it hard or personal if a post gets bumped by Robert or staff...It's necessary for JW to be 'touchy' about remarks...
In the past I have had posts deleted, none recently, because I went way overboard, or pushed the envelope a little too hard.
I have been posting here for a long time and have grown with the site...RS knows that I support him and appreciate his work...But if I let go with a big one, he will delete it as fast as any other...and rightly so...
RtL, ditto on duh_swami's remark.
dumbledoresarmy,
Thank you and I hope you are well. If I were you I'd pray for the Palestine Marchers, because when I get to the March with my friends(whom I hope do turn up) we'll be making our way to the sides of children and families as a shield from the 'missiles' that may come flying in. There is bound to be a heavy police presence, but this is the 1st main planned pro Israeli march so it will probably turn nasty as the Anti Nazi League, Stop the War Coalition, Socialists, Anarchists, Fascists, Nihilists and of course London's large Muslim population will come together in a pre advertised march also.
You are very correct that many of the 'innocent' Palestinians are in fact terrorists made up of Hamas and insurgents coming to fight for Islam against Israel. The problem is, that the Western Media, well the British media I am speaking about, lost their impartiality along with their integrity a long time ago. Therefore they don't actually tell the people that the majority of people beig killed are in fact terrorists, thereby creating even more hatred against the Jewish people and of course creating the trouble that is springing up all over London and in Jewish Neighbourhoods. It is truly sickening.
Mohammad, care to answer my questions from last Saturday, all of which you evaded, in typical Mohammedan, nancy-bitch fashion?
Didn't think so. But thanks for letting us know that not only do you finance terrorism, but you support it intellectually as well. Thanks for letting know that you're a BBC-watching useful idiot and the extent to which you're in favor of the extermination of Jews.
I have another question: who do people like you think you're kidding? Even the leftist idiots who side with you know what you're about. They pander to you because it serves their agenda in the short-run.
Like Alaskan says, "Islam is a lie and the truth is killing it." Man, I wish I'd come up with that as a closing salutation.
Jdamn I don't think he will be back, the more truth Mohammedans are exposed to the more they wilt in it's bright light. Pity though I like the entertainment when he comes around.
RtL
Don't forget to take a camera tomorrow, and good luck.
duh_swami and eastview,
All is good, I respect what RS has done. It's his website and his rules.
Thanks again
No, he couldn't *handle this* (in the Beyonce meaning of the expression). Not one question.
The Guardian, voice of the Umma.
Hi Robert,
re : internment and mass deportation of all illegal criminals, not only Muslims, I don't think that position is in any way extreme. Law enforcement is clearly failing us, as do our immigration departments, who fail to keep a lid on who enters the country in the first place. Wasn't the convicted "blind sheikh" Abdul Rahman from the first Trade Centre bombing already a convicted terrorist in Egypt? (Just one example!) I would suggest there are thousands more like him, everywhere in the West.
Since your position on internment (?) and deportations clearly differs from Hugh Fitzgerald and mine it would be good to know what you suggest. How we can protect Western civilization from the barbarians?
Since you believe suggesting it (deporting illegal criminals) or even discussing it here on Jihad Watch damages the site you are most welcome to contact me directly on sheik@sheikyermami.com.
I meant to ask you for a long time about your opinion on how the threat from Islam can be eliminated or at least contained. I'm afraid however, that any such effort cannot succeed peacefully due to the violent nature of our enemy.
If we don't achieve anything with our respective awareness programs the radicals (left and right) of the next generations will fight it out in the streets.
We cannot coexist. That much I know. What's your solution?
"As you are aware, the anger within UK Muslim communities has reached acute levels of intensity."
Muslims are born angry, they live angry and they die angry - So, what is this bull shit about muslims anger? Sell it to the animals in the Middle East.
An open letter from an Englishment to all Moslems in my Country.
Please Go Home. You are Not Wanted here.
Short sweet and to the point.
By the way everyone, take little notice of what is said by the Guardian. It is the most left wing of all UK daily papers. Most of it's editorial staff probably either are, or have been card carrying Communists.
It is a mouthpiece of left wing "idealists".
Most of the general public support Prince Harry's more realistic view.