Apparently the same way Iraq, dogs, and underwear ads tend to radicalize Muslims. If the latter are constantly crying "wolf" -- that is, if everything "offends," "enrages," and "radicalizes" them, if "cartoons" lead to riots and deaths -- exactly when should the world take Muslim complaints seriously?
"Ministers voice fears Gaza will radicalise British Muslims," from AFP, January 12:
LONDON (AFP) — Government ministers expressed concern Monday that Israel's military campaign in Gaza was radicalising Muslims in Britain.Communities Secretary Hazel Blears said she was "very concerned" that the conflict could help extremists, and justice minister Shahid Malik warned it was having a "profoundly acute and unhealthy" effect on Muslim communities here.
"I am very concerned indeed that the events in Gaza could well be used by those people who want to peddle pernicious extremist views to draw particularly vulnerable young people into that kind of extremism," Blears told the BBC.[...]
On Thursday, representatives of Muslim organisations who have been active in tackling extremism in Britain warned Prime Minister Gordon Brown in a letter that anger over the Israeli campaign in Gaza has reached "acute levels".
"The Israeli government's use of disproportionate force ... has revived extremist groups and empowered their message of violence and perennial conflict," said the letter...
Do I smell surrender on the way?
So basically , when Saudi Imams give sermons about Muhammad raping a 9 year old girl and beheading 700 immocent civilains....Muslim around the world start beheading people and the men rape 9 year old girls.
Got it!
Secretary Blears: With all due respect, ma'am, you haven't a clue what is going on outside your own house windows, let alone in your own country. Please take a look one day soon and maybe you'll understand the very existence of The UK as a sovereignty is hanging by a thread due to appeasement of evil.
Minister Malik, again sir, with respect due of an elected official, I truthfully have nothing to say to you other than please resign, leave UK and whilst on the move, take all your brethren with you.
Cheers !
Kenny Solomon
USA
Communities Secretary Hazel Blears said she was "very concerned" that the conflict could help extremists.
Translation: Communities Secretary Hazel Blears said she "had egg all over her face" because Muslim in Britain are proving that they're almost all extremists, that that is just Islam -- extreme, that she's an idiot for accomodating it, and that to cope for her seditious error-as-career she is blaming the Jews because they dared to defend themselves against Islamonazism.
By the way, the largest Muslim forum in Britain turned out to be a front for Al Qaeda over the weekend.
"Government ministers expressed concern Monday that Israel's military campaign in Gaza was radicalising Muslims in Britain."
In other words, if a Muslim joins the terrorists, it's perfectly understandable. The Israleis forced him to.
Notice that there is no moral deminsion in Hazel's statement. Terrorism is a normal reaction to the policies of the Israeli government -- and Hazel is telling British Muslims that she understands if they take the roadroute of terrorism.
Never mind that hundreds, maybe even thousands, of Britains will die as a result of her immoral views, but then, if thr British people don't care, why should anyone else?.
I can't believe what I am seeing! Yes, Sounder. The stench of surrender is in the air. Certainly in Britain, but also around the world. No one wants to fight...just give in.
It doesn't take any more than 10% of the population to intimidate the remaining 90% into submission. Wasn't that the key lesson of Lenin's revolution learned by the Ikhwan?
The British People and Government better prepare themselves to fight the Islamics at two Fronts, 1. The Physical Violence, threats and Islamic Terrorists activities and 2. The Islamic Ideology that drives the Islamics to the extremes, I do hope the British Government will reinstate the rights to bear arms in Britain for the safety of their citizens, and create harsher laws against the Islamics(Firstly to remove the Sharia Law, to begin with) and enforcing those laws against the Islamics, and if there are any Islamics left afterwards are wither deported or be sent to prison for life and be isolated so that way they will not spread their vile/evil message in or out of the Prison.
OT - except that all sane and decent non-Muslims in the UK need to be massing a visible show of support for Israel. The more of you show your faces, the less dangerous it will be - for Islam bows to one thing only, Power.
On the website of Anglican Friends of Israel (a UK outfit, frequented by 'Granny Weatherwax' who posted here for some years, and by another onetime Jihadwatch poster, 'Polish infideless')
http://www.anglicanfriendsofisrael.com/content/view/65/33/
I found some useful things.
First, word of another pro-Israel rally.
"a Christian organisation is holding a pro-Israel rally in London (outside the Israeli Embassy) on Wednesday 14 January from 12 noon until 3pm.
"The Good Shepherds Movement is holding a pro-Israel rally to call for peace with the slogan 'Try Peace'.
"Meet outside the Israeli Embassy in Palace Road, Kensington High Street, London."
It might be worth investigating further, in order to find out whether 'try peace' is a demand to stop the pressure on Hamas by stopping fighting; if, however, the rally organisers have a realistic view of Israel's predicament vis a vis the Jihad, I would encourage UK jihadwatchers to turn up.
Oh: update: I just googled 'Good Shepherds Movement'. They are African! Indeed, they are associated with Biafra - and anyone who has read Mr Fitzgerald's postings over the past five years, to do with Islam in Africa, will understand that the Biafrans, having been the victims of near-genocidal jihad themselves, have few illusions about Islam. They were at the rally on Sunday 11th.
If you go to their website:
http://trypeacecampaign.blogspot.com/
you should find a very interesting 'Open Letter to the Arab League'.
Second thing I found at Anglican Friends of Israel, is a set of 'Six Key Facts About Gaza', by one Geoff Smith of 'Christian Friends of Israel'. He doesn't cover everything by any means, but has good, short and sharp commonsense rejoinders to some of the usual agitprop about 'proportionality' and 'the humanitarian situation'.
Worth copying and printing off in pamphlet form and keeping in the back pocket. Experienced jihadwatchers will easily see how to augment Mr Geoff Smith's 'six key facts' by framing them within the One Big Fact: Islam and the Global Jihad against the Jews and Everyone Else.
"UK: Officials fear Gaza will "radicalise" British Muslims": muslims ae not already radicalized in Britain? 7 Jul 2005 was not a sign of radicalized muslims in Britain? The July 2007 attacks in London and Glasgow were not a sign of radicalized muslims in Britain? The current ongoing hateful, threatening, and violent muslim protests, including their darling litte muhammads (what cowards muslims are) is not a sign of radicalized muslims in Britain? If these are not radicalized muslims, then, maybe we, the civil order of the human species (for, cetainly, muslims cannot remotely be identified as fully human -they are a pathologicalized mutation of) are in serious trouble. Britain, it is time for you to stomp out the islamic disease that is set to destroy you. It is their passion to kill and to glorify death. Your passion must be to live and glorify life. It's your choice. Your time is quickly slipping away.
"... justice minister Shahid..."
Trouble!
This article raises serious concerns.
Islam legitimizes violence to resolve common disagreements and conflicts. This is a fact.
Being an ex-muslim who has interacted with disturbed, unstable, mean-spirited Islamic religious fanatics, i know from experience that such people are dangerous and that law enforcement need suitable policies to deal appropriately with them.
It looks like the ultra-civilized Brits, in conjunction with their European neighbors, have pacified themselves to the brink of extinction and/or subjugation. How could the blatant bellicosity exhibited by the muslim invaders of Britain fail to evoke their latent survival instinct? How could it fail to evoke their fury?
I hope I never become so averse to self-defense and self-preservation that surrender is preferable to conflict and peace is preferable to freedom.
Like they are not already radicals?
Ban their muslim Terrorist manuals (Koran) and tell them to go to hell.
Tragic that a once proud nation like UK-a leader in western civil liberties,science, & human dignity should now be groveling at the feet of Islamic thugs-who by their own Hadith tradition owe no allegiance to any but the Islamic umma.
It's so insane that some Westerners believe that any action taken against Muslims, even when they're actions taken in self-defence as Israel's fight against Hamas terrorists in Gaza is, there's the fear that Muslims will be "radicalised" wherever they might be on the planet.
I'm sorry but if Muslims are "radicalised" (and a good deal are already, WITHOUT the help of any action taken by Israel or the West generally) then that becomes THEIR problem. Blears' words almost reduces Muslims to objects of little worth as it indicates that Muslims can't control their feelings and think for themselves so it's inevitable that these "vulnerable" people are going to become radicalised.
How about Blears goes into British mosques, which are breeding grounds for scores of terrorists, and throw out those Muslims teaching these youngsters jihad and hate right out of the old Koran? Even better, read the Koran and then place a ban on it, only authorising those clerics who explicitly throw out all of the jihad stuff when they teach it?
Until then, Britain will continue going down the slippery slope with little hope of survival unless the good old Britisher regains their cahones and takes action.
Well, that was a strange post. As if the "un-radicalized" muslims aren't already running rampant in the streets and humiliating police.
I feel like these people are the advisors to the king who isn't wearing clothes. Nobody wants to mention the unmentionable. I wonder what the queen mother thinks of all this bewilderment.
The sheikhs warn them that they'd better do something and they do! They start in on educating the dhimmies that the UK mustn't let Gaza radicalize the young muslims. As if they weren't already weaned from bitter breasts that spewed that heated hatred.
What they should be doing is posting and announcing the riot police are coming to all future demonstrations.
They should legislate enforced modern civility classes that are mandatory and taught in all schools. musselmen must learn to live with their neighbors and learn to respect their fostering country's customs, traditions, and laws. Otherwise... GET OUT!!!
The radicalisation of Muslims can and does have a “profoundly acute and unhealthy” effect, as can be seen daily all over the world, where one of the more common cures to this symptom is unexpected separation of the head from the body by the surgical technique of a 50mm bullet applied to the cranial region. It seems to produce an instantaneous and positive result.
Recent studies suggest that this condition is a cultural malaise which can in extreme cases result in ‘Allahhuackboom’ (Where the sufferer of ‘Radicalisation’ reaches a point of critical mass and explodes).
Telltale signs of the onset of this condition are easily spotted by the unfortunate victims being compelled to cover their heads with cloth and chase policemen whilst shouting unintelligible slogans in public places.
UK: Officials fear Gaza will "radicalise" British Muslims
In other less important news: Why do the English hate the letter 'Z' so much?
Selling alcohol in British convenience stores will radicalize muslims.
Extraditing Abu Hamza to the USA will radicalize muslims.
Not allowing muslim males to beat the living crap out of their wives will radicalize muslims (their sharia courts have already addressed that "problem", haven't they?)
Issuing parking tickets when they violate traffic laws will radicalize muslims:
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/4039360.Worshippers__fury_over_parking_tickets/
Teaching the theory of evolution in schools will radicalize muslims.
Forcing muslims to get off their rear ends and work to make a living, instead of getting one-million-plus pound houses and welfare benefits for doing absolutely nothing, could radicalize them.
Promoting women's rights could radicalize muslims.
Protecting secular constitutions against assaults by those who want to replace it with sharia could radicalize muslims.
Promoting gay rights could radicalize muslims (notwithstanding the "boys who look like well-hidden pearls", who are supposed to give them a lot of fun in the afterlife in their imaginary heavenly harems.)
Not saying that mohammed-the-pedophile was a prophet can get you fired from your job and radicalize muslims:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024356.php
Selling pork could radicalize muslims.
Figure drawing could radicalize muslims.
Those Japanese-designed robots that look and act like humans could radicalize muslims.
Saying that black people aren't inferior, slaves and/or raisin-heads could radicalize muslims.
Not paying jizyah could radicalize muslims.
Religious freedom, especially the right to change or abandon faiths as one pleases, could radicalize muslims.
Stating that your new-born baby wasn't born a muslim could radicalize muslims.
Criminalizing pedophilia could radicalize muslims.
Punishing muslims for crimes committed against a kafir could radicalize muslims.
And the list of things that could radicalize those slaves of allah (the imaginary) could go on, and on, and on...
‘Z’ is a 10 pointer and best used sparingly for the proper effect, otherwize thingz ztart zliding zouth az the zpelling turnz to zhit. Zee, it lookz zilly.
Anyhoo, a ‘radicalized’ Muzlim is just az much a danger to themzelvez as a ‘radicalised’ one, although I have to admit the Zee’d up ones are slightly more irritating and arguably more improper
Kenny Solomon:
I like it!
A few days ago Hazel Blears said this:
That's because they are being ignored, you two-faced elitist!
She also recently said this:
Blears knows that Labour are losing supporters to the BNP so is now trying to backtrack on one of their core policies: flooding the country with unnecessary and unwanted immigrants at the expense of the indigenous population.
Thats why they do jihad it is Evangelical,proselytizing to muslim to join the struggle.
Does Hazel Blears ever consider why Christians aren't 'radicalized' by what happens to the Copts in Egypt? Or Pakistan? Or Malaysia? Or Turkey? Or Africa? Or Indonesia?
Does she ever wonder why she does not need to throw money at Christian communities to try to bribe them out of radicalizing?
Does she ever consider why Jewish people aren't 'radicalized' by having their places of worship defaced and all the other abuse they are receiving in Europe right now?
Does she ever consider what happens in a Muslim country when a religious minority acts the way groups in the videos posted to this site are acting?
Hazel, I'm radicalizing here. I need a new sports centre, personal grants and all of my demands met.
Regarding the use of "disproportionate force", what nonsense!.
Anyone who finds themselves in a fair fight, has tactics that suck!
Regarding Muslim anger, there are only two things that enrage them. 1. Everything 2. Nothing. That's all you really need to know.
Now you know why they are so desparate to have the conflict end. Watching multiculturalim enter the trash heap of history freeks them out. Anti semitism has a price and the bill is comming due.
It's now the time to stop electing morons.
We know who they are. It's clear that we need involvement in our country as well as the British.
Hazel Blears comments prove it. We have also heard stupid remarks from our own representatives. These are not representatives, get them out of there. Don't try to debate them or threaten them. Remove them at the ballot box.
Radicalize, hell!!! You can't radicalize what is already radicalized. Islam is itself, already radical.
Let's hope that muslim rioting and overt threats of murder and mayhem in Europe & and the United States will radicalize infidels! Someone should make a list of recent threats and riots from youtube videos and stitch them together in a compact list by city and country and should show these movies of the religion of peace at work. It should show adherents of the religion of peace rioting, praising Hitler, shouting to throw Jews into ovens, threatening Christians, attacking infidels on location be it: London, Oslo, Greece, Germany, Spain, Paris, Milan, Malmo, Belgium, Holland, or Coppenhagen.
Pamela Geller and Jihadwatch have made a good start of spreading the warning to infidels that their life, liberty and property are in danger. Since none of these provactive attacks on infidels makes it on the European or American Saudi owned news networks, these videos should be passed along by email to email on the internet as far and wide as possible. Warn every infidel. Warn an infidel: "Don't you know what the muslims intend for you?" Infidels need a samizdat (alternative media response to government suppressed media). We need an infidel samizdat network!
"Time to ring some change some changes!"
- Richard Thompson, British songwriter, member of Fairport Convention. (one heck of a guitarist, as well)
"Time to ring some changes!"
- Richard Thompson, British songwriter, member of Fairport Convention. (one heck of a guitarist, as well)
'morning, folks,,
I would say,, anyone,, following the PURE text of the quran,, is already RADICAL and I believe CRAZY!!
solsticewitch13
"don't annoy the bikers
it's a islam free zone"
http://solsticewitch13.blogspot.com/
Ah yes, Hazel Blears.
As usual a government minister who really hasn't a clue what's going on in life.
She believes that this will make Muslims in the UK more radicalised does she? And what does she propose the best action? I know, appease. Why not throw yet more money at Islamic communities like you did in the past in order to stop their radicalisation? Even better why not stop their radicalisation by continuing to allow Saudi Arabia teach them Wahabism?
Many Americans will not know that Hazel Blears was the person in the UK who decided on 'positive' discrimination against white people in the UK. She came up with the great idea that when it comes down to a place for a job between a woman and white man and an ethnic minority, you make the choice always between the ethnic minority and the woman. Yes, despicable woman isn't she?
I think Hazel Blears, the government and the police, really start forgetting about what the minority of Muslims in this country will do. I think it's really in their best interests to start appeasing the majority Indigenous people in the UK as when they kick off, it'll be a hell of a lot worse than if the Muslims do.
No, no, no, let me translate this... "It's the Jooooooos fault".
No, no, no, let me translate this... "It's the Jooooooos fault".
Yes she said that but less and less people believe her and her ilk, and watlings comment showing the twisting and turning in policy says it all about Labour.
RtL
Have you noticed how Hazel Blears really shows off her cleavage?
The Mohammadans will surely find her offensive!!
The UK has fallen. It is now held hostage by the Islamists and their pernicious tendencies.
The biggest threat to the Brits and to all of Western Civilization is NOT radical islam!
The biggest threat is the people they have elected to govern them!
The radical islamists rampaging through the streets, are merely a side-effect.
Eliminate the primary threat somehow, and the islamists will disappear overnight!
In 1992, I saw a large group of moslems at Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park (I believe that is where Speakers" Corner is) and my hosts told me that the moslems had a stated goal of turning England into an islamic nation and mentioned Finsbury Park mosque, IIRC, specifically as being involved.
Now how is it possible that I, on a week and a half visit to Britian, was aware of this more than 15 years ago but the leaders of the British government are thinking that this is a new phenomenon?
Sencit, I think everyone thinks she's offensive. The only time I will ever say I agree with the Burkha would be if it were on Hazel Blears.
LONDON (AFP) — Government ministers expressed concern Monday that Israel's military campaign in Gaza was radicalising Muslims in Britain.
Is that a joke? I guess she missed that film clip of London cops running from Islamic maniacs...
From post above: Have you noticed how Hazel Blears really shows off her cleavage?
The Mohammadans will surely find her offensive!!
They will fake offense later when the cleavage is gone, but while it is there, they are mesmerized.
Nancy Pelosi practiced a form of 'cleavage diplomacy' when she visited Syria a while back, and Nancy has some cleavage to practice with.
The Syrians loved her. She went to the market and Mahoundian sellers offered her dates.
I don't know if she went out with any of these guys or not. Probably not, Nancy is not that desperate...
Te only thing that the Hag,Hazel Blears is worried about in a nutshell is the BNP.
If there were no such party or organisation as the BNP she would be busily recruiting from the parasites for palestine mob.
To all our cousins across the pond.
I know it seems that the UK is falling. I know that in the past I was pretty despondent about the whole situation in the UK but, now I'm not so.
I can't tell you why but I'm sure that those who are able to grasp the situation will understand what I'm saying, or should I say, what I'm not saying.
At the moment here in the UK, after years of Marxist infiltration into our establishments, we have seen just how chaos has come. Many Brits have seen how common sense has been replaced with Political Correctness. Many have seen how the Indigenous inhabitants have been on the brunt of racist attacks, not just from racists but from our own government. Many have been fed the continued Anti British, pro European/Islamic propaganda from the mainstream media, but things are changing.
Remember also that any talk of knowing of future violence against the establishment, police or government will be investigated by the authorities, especially on websites.
Also understand that the average soldier is right wing, as it takes a certain sort of individual who will fight for others. They are angry, I know quite a few of them. They have been betrayed by their governments, left to rot in barracks that are falling apart while immigrants, from the country they're fighting are treated better after refugee status. Not only are the immigrants treated better but worse still convicts in our prisons are! They are livid when they lose limbs and are severely disabled, only to get less money than a group of lesbians who sue for harassment, or some typist sues the MOD for repetitive strain injury.
Let's just say that the UK is waking up. The Armed forces are disgusted with the government and remember the saying; "It will get far worse before it gets better".
Muslims will use any excuse to radicalise themselves. Jihad becomes legal then, as it is self-defence.
Now look at this
http://uppompeii1.uppompeii.com/2009/01/12/back-to-the-dark-ages--nhs-staff-told-not-to-hold-meetings-where-alcohol-served-in-order-not-to-offend-muslims-and-much-more.aspx#Comment
Here we see the NHS going out of its way to make sure that no excuse is given to Muslims to radicalise. The NHS BTW is free for all.These Muslims who came to the UK with virtually nothing but the clothes they wore, have no gratitude. In fact they think it is the Kuffar's duty and obligation to hands them the keys to the manor.
Of course if we ever openly admitted that allowing Muslims to settle in Britain was a mistake, and from now on, all Muslim immigration will cease, and reverse immigration will be encouraged as a first step. Then you will suddenly see millions of "moderate" Muslims. Hijabs etc will vanish. Mosque building will cease. There will also be Muslims who will even start to wear the cross and attend Sunday service.
However we must also be aware that these Muslims are simply waiting for the storm to blow over. In the meantime, the demographic Jihad will be ongoing.
Richard the Lionheart
I believe you are right. There is change in the air.
First. The incident of Prince Harry and the "Paki". This has been quietly layed to rest. In fact I see no reason why "Paki" is offensive. After all "Paki" means "pure", and hence Pakistan - the land of the pure. Would labelling an Englishmen a Brit, or an American a Yank, be deemed offensive? To take offence in being called "Paki", is taking offence for being called "pure". Absurd. Unless ofcourse, this Paki intends to make the Prince bow and submit to Islam - which indeed was his intent.
Some years ago, in my church group (CoE),I mentioned that Islam was a threat to western civilisation and Britain in particular. I also mentioned that the character of Mohammed was diametrically opposite to that of Jesus, making Mohammed the anti-Christ, and thus making making Islam an evil cult - people were aghast. Not anymore. I can now speak the truth about Islam without any shocked looks coming my way.
Rest assured, we will sort this out, and while doing so, sort Islam out as well. And we will do it "in the best possible taste".
DP111,
This is dreadful news. I mean it's really dreadful news. What I've been saying from day one is this is what happens with cultural equality and more importantly, what happens when you allow immigrants into the UK, alien to your culture who attain positions of power and start changing it from within. In other words Gramscian Hegemony.
DP111,
The reason why Pakis find the word Paki offensive is all down to needing their own "get out of jail free card". This is it.
You are correct the word Pakistan means "Land of the Pure" in Urdu and Persian(Farsi). It is not offensive at all. Pakis have just decided that they want it to be offensive so that they have power over British people.
It is all rather pathetic really. They seem to ascertain that the word Paki from Pakistan is as offensive as the word n*gger is to a negro. They seem to forget that n*gger has the meaning of slovenly and a bum. The word Paki merely is a shortened name of their Nation.
However in our absolutely pathetic society where common sense has disappeared to be replaced by political correctness what do you expect? I will always call a Paki a Paki regardless. I certainly won't let another culture try to hijack mine and my language that's for sure.
when you allow immigrants into the UK, alien to your culture who attain positions of power and start changing it from within. In other words Gramscian Hegemony.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart
Yep...Immigrate in large numbers, multiply like rabbits, capture the vote...Take over.
This is also the American way...
If we don't change that aspect, we will vote ourselves into slavery, misery, even death.
We may have already done that...
Richard the Lionheart
Dreadful indeed. But as I've said, there is a quiet watchfullness in the air.
Kipling
Oh, my country, bless the training that from cot to castle runs -
The pitfall of the stranger but the bulwark of thy sons -
Measured speech and ordered action, sluggish soul and un - perturbed,
Till we wake our Island-Devil-nowise cool for being curbed!
Build on the flanks of Etna where the sullen smoke-puffs float -
Or bathe in tropic waters where the lean fin dogs the boat -
Cock the gun that is not loaded, cook the frozen dynamite -
But oh, beware my Country, when my Country grows polite!
http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/et_dona_ferentes.html
As I said, "In the best possible taste".
Proud_Kafir7908 - Excellent link to the article about the parking dispute.
Muslims want to park in residential spots and not get ticketed because it's lunchtime and they don't have time to find a proper (paid) parking spot.
If anyone else parks in those spots, they get ticketed. So, once again, Muslims want to be above the law. If not, the authorities will have to find them some free, reserved parking elsewhere.
The trouble is that the parking authority didn't enforce the law from the start and thereby set a precedent. Muslim lunchtime worshipers were permitted to park illegally and then, out of the blue, they started getting tickets.
Push, push, push.
Inch = mile.
eve_anne_gelical
"Now how is it possible that I, on a week and a half visit to Britian, was aware of this more than 15 years ago but the leaders of the British government are thinking that this is a new phenomenon?"
They have known for years they just cannot face up to it.
Why? Because I am Irish and have lived in the UK since I was a child. Some time before 9/11 when I was discussing immigration with one of my sons friends I made the following observation,
Me - There is something very nasty coming with the muslims.
Him – Why?
Me – Well when we first came to England you never heard anything about Ireland. Then about the mid 1960’s very positive stories about how good Ireland and the Irish were and how bad the English were suddenly appeared in the press and on television and radio. We know now that the intelligence services had told the British Government the IRA were organising another campaign and they were trying to head it off politically - We are getting the same feel good stories about the muslims now.
If anyone is interested we are still getting them, the BBC has a series explaining how islam laid the foundation of modern science at 7.30 tonight. They are also re-running a series on the history of islam in Europe or an islamic history of Europe, not having seen it, I am not sure which. However it is fronted by their favourite muslim journalist, the Sudanese immigrant Ravi Omar so you my draw your own conclusions on the content.
Fred,
The planning of Islam happened long before the immigration of Pakistanis to the UK. I am without doubt that Saudi Arabia had a lot to do with this immigration.
The situation with Ireland is completely incomparable to Islam although some people do want to draw similarities.
Regarding Ravi Omaar, well, all I can say is the last programme with him on immigration; Dispatches - Immigration: The Inconvenient Truth was a one sided biased affair on behalf of the immigrants and their offspring compared to the indigenous population.
Last but not least, did you see the article by Kevin Myers in the Irish Independent on the 2nd of January? It seems that Irish people are now seeing that what's happening in the UK will happen to them.
Regarding the BBC, I no longer watch them. I don't really think many people here do.
Speaking of immigrants, I don't know if this has been discussed here before, but have you guys ever noticed how kids born to Chinese and Japanese parents in the West nearly always get Western first names? On the other hand, kids born to A-rab and Turkish parents get Turkish and A-rab first names even if they're great-grandkids of immigrants.
I don't think this is a factor that can be disregarded when it comes to assessing the origins of immigrants who work hard to become integrated, as opposed to those whose aim is to create parallel societies/sharia ghettos.
Richard the Lionheart
With all due respect I know there is NO comparison between Ireland and islam. Not least because if there are any virgins going we Irishmen want them in this world not the next. I was making the point that by watching the media you can get a smell of what the government is up to. This government has turned the dishonest presentation of information known as “conditional truth” into an art.
Of course Islamic aggression is more than 10years old. The actor who played the dwarf in “Lord of the Rings” said his father told him about the rise of islam when they lived in East Africa in the 1950’s. Specifically his father was an administrator in the Colonial Service and had been stopped hunting slave dhows under pressure from the Arabs.
I have read several of Kevin Myers articles on the subject and believe they would at least cost a British journalist his job. It is good to know that the curse of PC has not reached Ireland yet.
BTW The Guardian said “Lord of the Rings” was a racist call to the west and required reading for BNP members. Interesting because it was the first time The Guardian had suggested BNP members could read.
Proud_Kafir7908
Yes - I have noticed that as well.
A question for those who follow evolution.
Which society is closer to our roots, or past, the West, or the countrys that are home to the followers of islam?
Which one is closer to the ideals of evolution?
Islam has the will but not the means, We have the means, but lack the will to do what must be done to survive. Right now, the two forces are at a rough, fragile stalemate.
Fred,
How far back did they have go to show this science? Over a thousand years, perhaps? It's a bit like the equivalent of cavemen living among us today asking us to be grateful that they invented the wheel. How lovely, but any chance you could do something in the 21st century?
Richard, what's up with all the Brits here? It's a Brit fest. 'Paki' is an offensive word because it was used offensively when they first immigrated here. It wasn't considered a slur originally, but it is now. We don't consider 'Brit' to be a slur, but if we had people using it in a derogatory way often enough, we'd come to see it that way. Not turning apologist on you, but that's why they find it offensive. That said, I've been called all sorts. Harry made the front page when the rioting should have done. Always good to know the media has its priorities straight.
I was using it in the 70's but it was during the 70's that it started being referred to as offensive, personally I always saw it as short for Pakistani.
It was deliberate of the Media to make Muslims a victim with Harry's use of "little Paki" when the riots should have been first page news, this was deliberate to obscure the truth, I have no doubt of that.
Fred,
Good God no! I know you know that the Irish Question is competely different to Islam in the UK, it was more of a reassurance retort than an educational derogatory one.
Regarding Gimli the dwarf from Lord of the Rings, that'll be John Rhys-Davies, the wonderful British actor who many will know from Raiders of the Lost Ark amongst other parts. I didn't actually know of that regarding his father, so thank you for that. However on Lord of the Rings, yes it did draw out the lefties and the etnic minorities. I remember many arguments after the film with the 'people from the East' with Muslims I knew and of course the Uruk-hai of Orthanc and Orcs from Mordor that drew argument from Black friends I knew. That in itself is another discussion altogether, although a very interesting one. There's no doubt that the 'men from the East' that Tolkien drew comparison to were definately the Muslims. No doubt there was also the connection to the Ottoman Turks there as well, but definately the Crusades, without a doubt.
And the Guardian, the paper of the Ummah and for all dhimmis. I have to say I did used to read that around 8 years ago I think and now won't even pick it up. I used to enjoy the Observer on a Sunday along with the Independent but now, even the Daily Telegraph is turning into a Social Democrat paper like the party it supports.
Funny they say that it's necessary reading for BNP members. It just goes to show how multiculturalised the newspaper has got showng more support from immigrants over their own indigenous population. And regarding the Guardian thinking of the BNP supporters being illiterate, they should look closer to home to find that answer.
Infidelicious,
Paki is not a derogatory word. When I was growing up we used the term 'the Pakis' when describing the Newsagent. As I described this is people hijacking the Englsih language in favour of their own benefit and this is happening more and more on a daily basis. I will not be badgered into a corner by the Politically correct brigade for calling someone just what they Nationality name implies them to be. The word Paki, I repeat again, IS NOT a derogatory term. Are I to start taking offence to being called a Scot, because an Englishmen calls me so? Just because the common word of Paki happened to also be used by those who didn't like them, it does not mean the word is racist, Islamaphobic or derogatory. It is exactly stupid situations like the Prince Harry situation that is going to create a bloodbath in the UK when people just say enough is enough.
Infedilicious, I admire your writings, but really with this you are way of key. I really can't believe that I'm having a discussion with someone about the negative meanings of the word Paki. I'm sure in the past the English said "those damn Scots" or the like, but no Scotsman has ever taken offence.
I have a solution to pakis who find the word offensive. I suggest they pack their bags and live with their pakis in Pakistan, instead of coming to the UK, polluting the country with their Islamic rhetoric, not forgetting living off of the taxes of hard working Brits. Our country was renowned for tolerance and it is incidents such as these that will break our tolerance levels. Pakis need to get over themselves. I also wished that Prince Harry had told the press and the rest of the idiots to get lost. A Paki is a paki. He is from Pakistan. And whether he is liked or disliked makes no difference to the fact that he is a Paki and to me will always be one.
Did they just wake up to the fact that muslims are being radicalized?? Where have they all been for the past 10 years? Muzzies get radicalized just watching youtube, this conflict is just another rung on the ladder.
Richard.
I have a question for you. I've been reading the BNP's website, and I know you're an advocate for the party. Why is there so much mention of Zionism on their comment threads? I'm seeing a real dichotomy there. Some posters support Israel and the Jewish people very much, and others it is quite clear see Zionists around every corner running everything behind the scenes.
I will agree to disagree with you on the meaning of the word. Yes, it is a contraction of Pakistani, but I know how often it was used as a slur when I was a kid. I see your point of view as well, but I don't completely agree with it is all. :)
Anyway, that aside...what's up with the Zionist rhetoric from posters on the website?
Infidelicious,
I have never voted for the BNP. I am not a member of the BNP. However I do agree on many of their policies and as of yet I am still undecided of whether or not to become a member. After the latest 'witch hunt' where BNP members were published publicly, that in itself just made me want to vote to stick two finger up at our despicable media and society.
I am first and foremost a Nationalist. As you know a Nationalist came long before any BNP or Nationalist party. In fact Nationalism was inherent in every political party pre 60's UK. They may have had leanings to the left or the right but inherently they were all Nationalists. My main philosophy as a nationalist, is like it was for the Scots of old; come to our country, partake in our traditions and integrate into our society, but do not try to impose your cultural values upon us or attempt to undermine it in any way.
I frequent the BNP website on the odd occasion and yes there are those who support Israel and those that don't. The best explanation of this is that the BNP was, under John Tyndall anti semitic as well as a neo Nazi outfit. However he was deposed of his leadership by Nick Griffin, who sees Islam as a threat compared to Judaism.
Many people who are in the BNP are anti semetic, because they are like many, such as David Icke who believe in the conspiracy theories of powerful Jews and secret societies that are controlling the world's wealth. Then again there are those who join the BNP in order to steer it more towards the protection of the UK and upholding of British Traditons and culture.
There is no doubt that there are people in the West who are Jewish that have large amounts of wealth. Jews in London are renowned diamond traders. Look at Shakespeare's Shylock in the Merchant of Venice, he was a money lender. There are rich Jews and there are poor Jews as there are rich Christians and poor ones etc etc.
The BNP is changing as more people are leaving the main three parties, knowing that they are all and one of the same. There is no difference and they care little for the people they pretend to speak for. The overall reason for people joining the BNP is anger at the main three and wanting something to be done about the dreadful situation of the UK under Conservatives and NuLabour.
As regard to the word Paki, we'll have to disagree, but I will say that it's this very argument(in the media) that is an example of how Britishness, freedom of speech and liberty is being eroded daily. Pandering to minorities will cause untold chaos and those twits at the top are completely oblivious of this fact. I only hope that when it does kick off, all the elite are stopped from leaving the UK, tried and imprisoned for a long time, if not hanged.
Harry's "paki" remark is just a red herring in my opinion.
He's in the army, I would imagine there's a lot of racial slurs and sexist comments in the army. I don't think they sit around holding their teacups with their pinkie out. My father, who was the most unbiased man on earth, even had a name for them that was accepted back in the day.
British rags print all this crap, it bolsters their sales.
Richard,
The Merchant of Venice is a fictional play. :P I know you know that, but we do have a history ourselves of painting Jewish people as scheming and conniving hoarders of money. We made them all sorts of things when we were painting them as Christ killers.
I didn't say there weren't some Jewish people who weren't very wealthy. Mohammed al-Fayad is wealthy, Bill Gates is wealthy, Tiger Woods is wealthy. What I'm talking relates to the idea that the Jews own a very substantial proportion of the world's wealth and manage to pull off everything from creating phones that transmit AIDS to crumbling empires. That's what 'Zionist' essentially means to conspiracy freaks, Scrooge McDuck on steroids pulling everyone's strings. What bothers me is that the comments being passed on the site with that crap have to get past the moderators first. It makes me wonder how much of its leadership share their views. And I can't oppose jihad by voting for nutcases.
I was half-hoping that you knew somebody involved with them so you could tell them to stop being bloody idiots about it. No biggie.
1. I am surprised that 'The Guardian' thinks BNP members can read !! The story about 'The Lord of the Rings' (TLotR) is ridiculous. Anyone who thinks of the timeframe Tolkien lived in, the people (particularly 'fellow travellers') who he rubbed shoulders with as a University professor and Tolkien's own comments about his books will realise that Tolkien feared England ('The Shire') was being taken over by Socialism (he deliberately leaves it unclear whether he means Socialism or National Socialism) while the leaders of the Shire are busy saving the World. OTSS Richard North at EUReferendum.blog is referring to the EU and its Lisbon Treaty as a 'band of gold....to keep them...to bind them...in the Land of Mordor where the shadows lay' !!
2. The comments about the schism's on the BNP and other Nationalist websites about the Israeli's actions in Gaza and 'Zionism' have spotted the great rift in Nationalism in the UK. There are modern Nationalists such as Nick Griffin of the BNP, the VB group in Belgium etc who regard the greatest threat to modern civilisation as coming from Islam. Not surprisingly they are campaigning against Islam and all its manifestations. Even those Nationalists who as past policy attacked Israel & Jews recognise that Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and is effectively blocking Islam from carrying out its agenda. Their are other Nationalists who still believe that everything is the fault of the 'evil jews'. They believe that Muslims have been deliberately inflamed by Israel's behaviour in the Middle East which they see as part of a centuries long 'Zionist conspiracy'. In their analysis Israel has inflamed the Muslims so that the Western powers will attack Muslim countries (as they believe US, UK etc were tricked into invading Iraq, Afghanistan etc post 9/11) so that a religion which outnumbers them greatly will be destroyed. This branch of Nationalism sees everything as a 'Zionist conspiracy'. Their hero of course was a man who stated that the First World War was a plot hatched by the Jews and the Paris Grand Orient Lodge of the Freemasons in 1913. BTW Griffin of the BNP gets in trouble again because his father is a Freemason. Watching the Nationalists spending more time attacking one another rather than our NULabour govt can get very depressing !
Since the subject of Tolkien has come up:
As I understand it, I do think the closest real-life analogy to the war between Mordor and 'the West' that takes place in the medievalist Tolkien's epic fantasy, *is* the 1400-year struggle between Islam and what Hugh calls 'the Rest'.
In that regard to call it racist, was an abysmal folly.
I am sure that any black Ethiopian Christian who knows his country's history; and any non-dhimmified Hindu who had read K S Lal and other non-dhimmi historians, and knew of his ancestors' fight to the bitter end against the marauding Muslim hordes, would identify just as strongly with Tolkien's Middle-Earthers (battling to the death to defend home, life, beauty and order, against hordes of ravening Orcs that smash, torture, kill and burn) as does any Westerner who knows of such epic events as the Battle of Lepanto or the Relief of Vienna.
This deep parallel is not coincidence: I think it exists because Tolkien was a devout Catholic, fully aware of the entire sweep of church history (thus I am sure he knew all about such things as Charles Martel at Tours, the Knights of St John at Malta, Lepanto, the two sieges of Vienna, the epic ride of Jan Sobieski with his Winged Hussars to the relief of Vienna in 1683, that seems to me to have formed part of the inspiration for Tolkien's Ride of the Rohirrim), and steeped in early and high medieval history and literature.
The city of Minas Tirith in Gondor seems to me to be like Jerusalem (and, indeed, modern Israel), medieval Rome and (pre-1453) Byzantium all rolled into one.
Note that I say *like*; that is, 'resembling', NOT 'the same as', NOR 'representing'. Tolkien was not, I think, writing allegory, whether historical or political; rather, I think that all the different things he had read and absorbed, over time, were transmuted into mythic form, they 'inspired' his story.
Perhaps the most important thing to take away from his myth is his prophetic insistence on the need for mutual trust and steadfast keeping of one's word, among those many wildly different - and frequently quarrelling - entities that oppose the Destroyers.
Overarching Tolkien's entire story (I'd even argue that it is the lynch-pin) is the idea of Loyalty, Covenant or Oath-Keeping: of making a promise to another person or polity and keeping it, even at great cost. For example: Aragorn the human and Arwen the Elf make an oath (the vow to one day marry) and move heaven and earth in order to be able to keep it; Gondor and Rohan are oath-sworn and...unlike, for example, far too many such real-life alliances, they keep. their. oath. Even the army of ghosts that help Aragorn are driven by this imperative: "to fulfil our oath, and to have peace" [that is, by undoing their previous treachery and failure, by finally living up to their ancient vow, they will find rest].
Because the various parties representing Good are able to 'come through' on their oaths, vows, agreements or treaties when tested to the limit, the world is saved (a contrast, alas, to the wretched real-life history of much of the non-Muslim world's attempts to resist jihad, which are constantly damaged by the resisting parties' failure to keep troth amongst themselves; by their own treacheries to one another, their division and distraction).
Ivan,
I guess you could say I just think that it requires virtually superhuman capacities of cognitive dissonance to adopt that mindset, considering the Middle East has had more conflicts than I've had hot dinners.
I had an argument with someone online last week who linked me to a "Zionist" website where it referenced all the old libels written by rankerous old farts from days of Dickensian yore. But these guys are just a hair's breadth away from embracing the jihadists themselves in their attitudes, so I'm wondering if they're intelligent enough to comprehend the irony.
Nationalism and Zionism are the same things, essentially. Correct me if I'm wrong. Zionism is Jewish nationalism, parties like the BNP are nationalists of their own nations. So it's nationalists bashing nationalists because the nationalists are Jews. And presumably, Israel, being the tiny nation it is, has hurt every Muslim nation in the Middle East and therefore, all the fanatics having a jolly old time in the West is Israel's fault. Which would require jettisoning about 1400 years of history to accept, but what's 1400 years of history between pals.
I don't understand any link drawn between a nationalist party in one part of the world and Israel when those links are made in a pejorative way. I understand it in terms of the last nationalist ruling a country with those ideas making a royal mess of the world, but do nationalism and antisemitism have to go together like peas and carrots in some aspects, and if so my very genuine question is why?
Nationalists puzzle me at times. But I am fond of Geert Wilders.
*I meant rancorous. Lack of caffeine = spelling goes bye bye.
As regards our headline, and the posted article, and Raymond's introductory remarks:
"Apparently [Gaza may 'radicalize' Muslims] the same way Iraq, dogs, and underwear ads tend to radicalize Muslims. If the latter are constantly crying "wolf" -- that is, if everything "offends," "enrages," and "radicalizes" them, if "cartoons" lead to riots and deaths -- exactly when should the world take Muslim complaints seriously?"
new non-Muslim visitors to this site may like to consult, and be simultaneously horrified and amused by, a Hugh Fitzgerald classic from 10 October 2006:
'Ninety-Five Things that Fuel Muslim Extremism"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013525.php
As a 'chaser', you may also enjoy Abul Kasem's blackly hilarious disquisition from November 2005, entitled, 'When is Islam Oppressed?'
http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/IslamOppressed.htm
and from February 12 2007, the 'List of Things that Offend Islam'
http://amboytimes.typepad.com/the_amboy_times/2007/02/the_list_of_thi.html
All three items are well worth copying complete with reference, and saving onto hard disk (as I have done: in an electronic file entitled "the religion of perpetual outrage") with a view to printing off as many copies as you like, to share with friends, neighbours and acquaintances.
Infidelicious,
The history of the Jewish people has been one of oppression, wonder and exceptionally resistance and strength. There is no doubt that the Christians also played their part for their suffering as punishment for Christ. I would like to say that is all in the past but it still lives on today.
Regarding Jews owning a lot of the World's wealth I can't answer that as I haven't studied the conspiracy theory of Judaism. I know that David Icke has and there are many more, but it would be wrong if I even attempted to discuss the matter as my knowledge on the subject is certainly not strong enough for debate here. There are no doubt though others on here who are very knowledgeable on the topic.
I understand about the anti semetic comments. As I said the BNP do have followers who are racists and anti-zionists, there's no doubt about that, but what I have said is that the BNP are evolving. Ever since Nick Griffin beat John Tindall in '99 the party has grown and continues to do so. I understand totally about your fears of voting in nut cases. My partner is a black woman, my son is obviously mixed and yes I have my concerns too. This is why I'm trying to find out as much as I can about the true feeling of the BNP, so like you, I am searching for the truth of what the BNP really is. I will however say that compared to the main three political parties the BNP have the best policies for British people that's for sure.
I am still as of yet undecided of who I will vote for. There are other national parties out there as well such as the England First party, the English Democratic Party and of course Veritas. UKIP in my opinion are a waste of time and haven't got any idea about Islam and how to handle it. I have been in touch many times with Therese Muchewicz, of the Veritas Party and we've exchanged interesting emails with one another on the sutuation in the UK with Islam and our Sovereignty.
My only concern is that nationalist parties must unite together as a spread out vote amongst them all will only give more power to Conservative and Nulabour. I really don't want the Tories in as Cameron's isn't fit to run a bath let alone a country.
You are correct, I wish I did know someone inside high up that I could sit and discuss with them the stupidity of their prejudices and that they are shooting themselves in the foot with some of their policy on race, which is costing them nation wide support.
I have thought many times of creating my own Political party, but then the thought of having to deal with other politicians would turn me into a wolverine and you'd see a bloodbath in Parliament....maybe I should become a politician then -LOL
Enjoyable posts on Tolkien by ivantheyidfrombradford & dumbledoreasarmy.
thank you :)
P.S. dumbledoresarmy, I know that you like your fantasy and if you can I strongly and I mean strongly advise that you try and get hold of a trilogy of books by a British author called Michael Scott. The three books are entitled Tales of Paedur the Bard - Magician's Law, Demon's Law, & Death's Law. However they are out of print I believe so hard to find. I've just looked on Amazon and found that they are now together in one book called The Culai Heritage. I know you love your Harry Potter, but trust me, these books blows them apart.
I also recommend these books to anyone else as well. They are true works of literary art.
Since we're on the subject of Islam in the UK, I'm surprised Mr Fitzgerald or Granny Weatherwax hasn't passed along to Mr Spencer a very, very telling - and worrying - article from 'The Telegraph', which they put up at 'New English Review' just today.
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/18950
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/4224403/Prisoners-convert-to-Islam-for-gang-protection.html
Titled, very tellingly "Prisoners convert to Islam for gang protection" it deals with the fact that in British prisons the non-Muslim prisoners are being bullied and threatened into converting to Islam, and Muslim prisoners who were not previously particularly observant are being, shall we say, radicalized.
What gets me, though, are the quotes - from, I think, non-Muslim prisoners - which seem to me to reflect a much more realistic, accurate and truthful commonsense summary of the entire Ummah, its character and history and modus operandi, than anything I have read elsewhere except in the works of whistleblowers such as Mr Spencer and the great Orientalists.
Here are those four quotes.
One inmate said:
"Yes there is a gang culture here which is becoming an issue.
"A lot of people are becoming Muslim just because it's a bigger gang."
Another said:
"There are issues with Muslim gangs wanting to overpower others."
{Hear the echo of Hassan al-Banna citing Hadith: 'Islam is to dominate, and not be dominated'? This unhappy British prisoner, probably himself a member of a native non-Muslim gang of some sort, now locked up in a jail with Muslims, has never heard of any of the great Orientalists, he probably knows nothing of his own history or that of the Muslim world and its military theorists - but he has hit the nail on the head).
One added:
"Muslim gangs; if you have a problem with one, you have a problem with them all,"
{hear the echo of Ibn Ishaq? - Ishaq: 204 - “‘Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?’ ‘Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.’”
Ishaq:231 - “Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders.” - dda}.
while a fourth said:
"People are converting to Islam for protection."
{cf Ibn Ishaq again: 'We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge' and Sahih Muslim: C9B1N33 - “The Prophet said: ‘I have been commanded to fight against people
till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat.
If they do it, their blood and property are protected.'"}.
As you can see, it is possible to relate back to classic Muslim texts each of the features of Muslim group behaviour as identified by those frightened non-Muslim prisoners in Long Lartin Jail.
Many more such texts could be adduced.
Those prisoners know more about Islam, and more truly, than Hazel Blears - or the clueless Phil Wheately mentioned in the Telegraph article, who, having had his nose rubbed in the fact that non-Muslim prisoners were being forcibly converted to Islam, declares, forsooth, at the end of the article, that: "A new programme to improve engagement, led by the Muslim Chaplain, will develop support specifically for Muslim prisoners".
WTF?? Seems to me that it was the NON-MUSLIM prisoners for whom there was a crying need for spiritual and physical and every other kind of support, to enable them to withstand the full-scale Jihad against them, that was being waged by the Muslim prisoners!!
The constant jihad by the filth of Islam against Israel (which according to Allah can never exist), and western media is blaming the Joooooos for this? The day will come when Allah's Savages will be sawing off these non-muslim, useful idiot's heads and they will be saying, "But wait, I hate the Jooooos just like you do!! I hate the Christians just like you do!!" Then all there will be is, saw saw, gurgle, gurgle. Sounds sick, but it's the grim reality the West is facing.
What offends the arabs or muslims in the evolution is the fact that they are lagging behind, they are still in the early stages of the evolution. In other words, they are closer to apes than they are to humans.
This should explain their radical behavior and their jealousy of the Judo-Christian Western Civilizations.
Guys, back in the day all the money-lenders were Jewish. It's in Italian lit and French lit and probably the lit of every language I don't speak. The Church used to forbid usury because the NT forbids it. Jesus took issue with what were essentially scalpers once upon a time who would exchange currency and jack up the price. That's where that stereotype came from: the fact that once all the money-lenders actually were Jewish. Most diamond merchants are Jewish too. That stereotype is still true, at least, it is where I'm from.
"Paki" is not derogatory. At least, when I say it I don't mean it as an ethnic slur. Even if it were an ethnic slur I hope our armed forced swear like sailors and refer to women and Italians and everyone else in derogatory terms. I also hope they verbally dehumanize the enemy as much as possible. That's what soldiers do.
I say all this as a woman, an half-Italian, and a Jew.
God, I hate political correctness.
Jdamn, I know that the Church forbade usury back in the day, but I think we did it ourselves in the 16th century onwards, so it's a long-running gripe in my opinion. What's your view on the rest of it though? Do Jews own the Western media, exert a disproportionate sway over world governments and all that jazz?
I agree with soldiers not being required to be particularly sensitive about names, but as a whole and in my own experience, "Paki" was a term for people who were not from Pakistan but just looked Arab or Indian. I'm not going to have a liberal haemorrhage over people using it though, that's just my opinion. :)