"And because she was 'already so disfigured from the stabbing and beating that she would hate me for the rest of her life,' he got into his car and ran over her body several times."
"Muslim man sentenced to life in jail after killing his German-born wife because she was 'too independent'," by Allan Hall for the Daily Mail, August 20 (thanks to Lazy Buddha):
A Muslim asylum seeker has been sentenced to life in prison after killing his German-born wife because she was 'too independent', a court in Germany heard today.
The 27-year-old Kurdish man, identified only as Onder B, was found guilty today of stabbing his wife in the eyes, beating her with a billiard cue and then running over her in his car.
His mother-in-law had once told him to be 'strict' with her strong-willed daughter, Mujde - who was also Onder's cousin.
On New Year's Eve 2008 he stabbed his 18-year-old wife Mujde 46 times and beat her with a billiard cue.
And because she was 'already so disfigured from the stabbing and beating that she would hate me for the rest of her life,' he got into his car and ran over her body several times.
Bielefeld District Court judge Jutta Albert convicted him on a charge of murder arising from base motives, and one of cruelty, because the defend ant stabbed his wife in both eyeballs while she was still alive.
He stabbed her so hard in the head with a fruit knife that the blade broke off in her skull.
The case has pulled into sharp focus the cultural differences between Western values and the estimated three million Muslim immigrants living and working in Germany.
Bielefeld District Court judge Jutta Albert clashed repeatedly this week with family members of both victim and defendant as details of the horrific case unfolded.
'One more remark from you and you'll be removed!' she told the victim’s mother. 'Do you think you can behave here as if you were in a Turkish bazaar?'
The killer arrived in Germany as an asylum seeker, in 2001. He was 19 and Mujde was 11 at the time.
He married a Turkish woman 10 years his senior, but the couple soon separated.
He returned home to Turkey in 2003, where he performed his mandatory military service, coming back Germany in 2006.
Under a deal between their families a marriage was 'arranged' between him and Mujde, in which he then viewed her, according to prosecutors, 'as his property'....
This criminal needs to pay the maximum for his crime...
But what pile of projection this artcle is.
"The case has pulled into sharp focus the cultural differences between Western values and the estimated three million Muslim immigrants living and working in Germany." (bolded for emphasis)
Once again Marisol and the JW crew prove they are only out to smear all Muslims, period.
She projects as "cultural islamic behavior" the radical violent behavior of a person who used a pool cue and a knife to murder someone in a horrible way onto all 3 million Muslims in germany.
That is plain bigotry, nothing more.
Irresponsible "journalism"... "yellow journalism"...
Slightly related to this article, does anyone have statistics about the composition of prisoners in European prisons? I'd wager that a disproportionate number are Muslims vs. the native criminals relative to local populations.
There are a lot of things I'd do to solve this problem, namely ending Muslim immigration and real assimilation, if not conversion, but I'd also start billing the countries where these criminals came from. Hey, why should we in the West pay to deal with your problem citizens if you're not?
"She projects as "cultural islamic behavior" the radical violent behavior of a person who used a pool cue and a knife to murder someone in a horrible way..."
Just out of curiosity, do you consider holding someone down and lighting a fire on their chest, in order to get them to tell you where they've hidden some treasure that you want an acceptable way to kill them? How about killing all the men in a village and then performing coitus interruptus with their wives and daughters? Because as horrible as this honor killing is, it doesn't seem any worse to me than some of the behavior of Muhammad and his companions, who are considered to be ideal examples for all Muslims.
I know, I know, I don't speak Arabic and cannot understand "the context," so obviously, it is far beyond my puny kafir mind's ability to understand.
JamestheFin - More than 50% Muslim prisoners in France.
Abu All*h - Don't worry, the majority of Muslims worldwide can't speak or understand Arabic. They rely totally on rote memorization and translation.
Wait until Turkey gets into the EU, then Europe will really have to rethink their PC view of moral and cultural relativity, i.e., who are we to judge?
"Once again Marisol and the JW crew prove they are only out to smear all Muslims, period."
What a ridiculous assertion, liar! ...Muslims give other Muslims and Islam a bad name. Gee, come to think of it, Muhammad himself gives Islam and other Muslims a bad name, too, so round 'n round it goes.
Stop blaming the whistleblower, blowhard. Blame your prophet, blame other Muslims, blame YOURSELF for defending Islam and other Muslims. Blame those responsible for this mess, not those reporting it.
Gotta mirror?
Abu
“Just out of curiosity,…”
Considering the source of your information is a discredited author who was rebuked by his more qualified peers as being poorly researched and an absolute liar…it’s okay that you believe this, it’s not really your fault.
Kinana of Khaybar was under the protection of the Prophet until he broke the conditions of his surrender. He was then given to the family of someone whom he had killed in the battle and they executed for that crime.
The original work of Ibn Ishaq, to which you refer, does not exist...not even a direct reference can be made...his lies were transcribed by Ibn Hashim who seems, an author who seems to have written about the politics of his age...Tabari copied some of the work as well, but the references for source material are non existent and Tabari copied everything seeming not to care about the sources..
So I can overlook what you said...I considered the source.
Peace
Abdullah
champ,
Seems every time you get your knickers in a twis you start squealing 'liar!"
“Blame those responsible for this mess, not those reporting it.”
I did.
"This criminal needs to pay the maximum for his crime..."
That murderer should get the ultimate penalty.
I also pointed out that Marisol is a shameless smearmonger for projecting his murderous act onto all Muslims there, as if it had something to do with the faith,
WHEN IT DOES NOT.
Peace
Abdullah
AbdullahMikail,
It sounds like you got 'hurt feelings' Maybe you need to go bake a cake or something.
I like the style of the judge, Jutta Albert.
"Bielefeld District Court judge Jutta Albert clashed repeatedly this week with family members of both victim and defendant as details of the horrific case unfolded.
'One more remark from you and you'll be removed!' she told the victim’s mother. 'Do you think you can behave here as if you were in a Turkish bazaar?'"
Good on the judge for rebuking Muslim bad behaviour. But I am sure that that Muslim female did so think (that is, think that she could behave in a German court-room, as if she were on Muslim turf, a Turkish bazaar).
A great many Muslims, especially the males, seem to feel entitled to do exactly as they please, wherever they are, to whomever they please. And much of the time, what they seem to want to do involves conduct toward other people, especially toward women and non-Muslims and indeed toward anybody (even a fellow Muslim) they perceive as weaker than themselves, that is discourteous at best, and at worst, involves full-blown psychopathic sadism such as was displayed by this wife-murderer ...and also by the woman who delivered her daughter up to him to be done to as he willed.
And then when they run into opposition or even punishment from non-Muslims who currently have the power so to oppose and to punish, the Muslims thus resisted, or punished, scream like wounded pigs, or like frustrated toddlers, amazed and infuriated that anyone would dare to cross their will.
Jutta Albert, sharply reprimanding the complicit mother of this Muslim girl who was sadistically sacrificed, joins a succession of other Western free-world judges - e.g. Justice Peter McClellan and Justice Peter Reardon in Australia - who have been confronted, in their courts, by the incredible arrogance, sneering contempt and sheer bad behaviour of Muslim criminals and their enablers.
At this point what is left to be said about the putrid and rotten fruits of multiculturalism and political correctness? It is quite obvious at this point that there is no assimilating the wider masses of Muslims in the West, as neither the Muslims or our political elites have any desire to do so. The elites have shown again and again that they hate Christianity and traditional Western civilisation so much that they will do anything to destroy it, and that means giving Islam everything that demands of them (short of actual conversion). The Muslims, on the other hand, come to Europe with their own religion and culture, and have no desire to give it up once living their villages back in North Africa and the Middle East.
The hour for Europe grows late and I fear that it is lost. I hope I'm wrong, but things are very grim. I pray that men like Geert Wilders are able to change the tide, but I'm sadly skeptical.
Nothing to do with Islam, eh?
The fact that you do not recognize the connection between the headlines posted here and Islam is your fault, not the JW staff. Anyone with 1/2 a brain can see that there is in fact a connection, so where does that leave you? And if you don't like being called a liar, then stop lying; and you probably won't like being called blind, deaf & dumb, either, but you are.
Islam deserves nothing less than SMEARING, because it is the vilest religion known to man -- and that includes your vile prophet.
AbdullahMikail-
We all now that all men are capable of being vicous jerks- the problem with your religion is that your quran condones it:
Beating a disobedient wife-
004.034
YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means: For Allah is Most High, great.
Wife to be used as you see fit, when or how ye will-
002.223
YUSUFALI: Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him, and give good tidings to those who believe.
Poor pitiful Muslims caught in a disgusting cult that will kill them if they try to leave.
but do some good act for your souls beforehand
Like kill a few non-muslims?
Ah yes, this case has indeed put our cultural differences into sharp focus:
In the West, mothers (and fathers) usually urge the new husband to treat their daughters well; in fact, good treatment is expected; independence in a young woman of nineteen is admired, not punished; cruel and frenzied violence indicates a deep pathology, not normal male behaviour; young couples marry once they have gotten to know and love one another, not becuase the marriage is arranged; we rarely marry our cousins; and finally, males who consider their wives as property are seen for the controlling misfits they are.
One could easily make a case to show how these "cultural" differences mirror the differences between Christianity and Islam.
This story has nothing to do with Islam, AM? Then why is he calling himself a Muslim? O, let me guess, he's just another misguided "misunderstander", right? Yeah, he and about a million other Muslims. Your one-man show presenting the Softer-Side of Islam is getting really old.
"One could easily make a case to show how these "cultural" differences mirror the differences between Christianity and Islam."
For instance, Christian husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her. Christ came to serve the church, not to BE served; so this is how a husband is to love his wife: sacrificially. This demonstration of sacrificial love towards the wife is to make Christ look good, not the husband. Christian husbands are not to Lord it over their wives, but to represent the Lord TO their wives in love.
Contrast that to how Muslims husbands are instructed to treat their wives in the Qur'an, and they aren't even instructed to LOVE them sacrificially. It all comes down to what a Muslim wife can do for her Muslim husband. It's all about the husband and his needs, and has nothing to do with God. Islam is a man-centered, man-made religion. O, and it's misogynistic, too.
"Your one-man show presenting the Softer-Side of Islam is getting really old."
I think that is really the crux of the matter, Champ. Like most other snake oil salesmen of his ilk, his pitch is only made to infidels. You simply won't find him debating these topics online with 'extremists.' You'll never see him explaining to them why their support for Bin Laden and other mujahideen is wrong, but he will spend hours a day telling the kuffar that they are bigots when they report the violent acts of Muslims and study their religious motivations.
"A Muslim asylum seeker has been sentenced to life in prison after killing his German-born wife because she was 'too independent', a court in Germany heard today."
Muslim women are dying to be independent from the absurdity known as Islam...
Horrible story. One question? Why would an asylum seeker return home to do military service?
"Muslim man sentenced to life in jail after killing his German-born wife because she was 'too independent'..."
She wasn't independent enough.
"Once again Marisol and the JW crew prove they are only out to smear all Muslims, period."
Boo hoo.
Once again, a Muslim man murders his wife in the most vile of manners and once again Abdullah Mike whines about how mean we are to Muslims.
Jerry,
Good point! Perhaps this "innocent" muslim was not a Kurd to begin with.
Another "life" sentence? He'll be out within fifteen years.
From the article: "Under a deal between their families a marriage was 'arranged' between him and Mujde, in which he then viewed her, according to prosecutors, 'as his property'..".
From Sir Winston Churchill, who as a young man had observed grassroots Islam-as-practised both in the Sudan and in what are now Pakistan and Afghanistan, in the first and unbowdlerised (1899) edition of his book 'The River War' [nb - the St Augustine's Press has recently republished this edition, in full, with all the controversial bits that later editions cut out...]:
"The fact that *in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine* {my emphasis added - dda}, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."
From Nonie Darwish, 'Cruel and Usual Punishment', her book on sharia, the following passages, re. Muslim 'marriage':
"The Muslim marriage contract is traditionally called Akd Nikkah, and the literal meaning of the word nikkah in Arabic is 'sexual intercourse' {or, perhaps, in vulgar English, 'f***ing' - dda}. The use of the word Nikkah to describe marriage was not a mistake or mistranslation; it is the word often used in the Quran and Hadith to describe marriage".
And Nonie explains, "The Sharia marriage contract is essentially a document granting sexual intercourse rights to the male and giving him total control over his wife or wives.
And a bit later on she cites the highly-authoritative tafsir of Ibn Kathir, to Quran 4:24, re the meaning of the dowry (lit. 'wage'). "The dowry is given in exchange for the woman's sexual organs."
***************Pathetic coward alert***************
Note to Onder B:
She probably hated you before you did the dirty deed. In fact, that's probably why you did it, Mr. Insecure.
And now, to make the likes of Abdullah Mikail *really* upset, a bit of plain-speaking from a Western journalist:
Conor Cruise O'Brien, London Times, May 1989 - "Muslim society looks profoundly repulsive...It looks profoundly repulsive because it *is* repulsive...
A westerner who claims to admire Muslim society, whilst still adhering to Western values, is either a hypocrite or an ignoramus or a bit of both.
'At the heart of the matter is the Muslim family, an abominable institution".
Nonie Darwish's book shows, in great detail, citing both her personal experience and a slew of the authoritative Muslim texts, that Conor Cruise O'Brien was doing nothing other than telling the truth. See 'Cruel and Usual Punishment', section one, entitled 'Sharia: The Family'.
Abdullah Mikail is unable to see the truth about the Doctrine of Satan because his education has consisted only of the memorization of the rantings of Islam's criminally insane leader Mohamed.
Slave; I see you're back to adding "Peace" to the ass end of whatever you write... as if peace had or has anything to do with Islam.
They're right, Dumbles, Isabella, Champ, and others: you're the bad after-taste in the mouth of people who've evolved and moved past the lies of Islam. You're the brown skid on clean undies, the chunks for which a bidet is made.
Your god is the cause of projectile vomiting, the source of diaherra, the fount of filth... and you are his willing, witting, messy messenger.
War, with you and your bilious "brothers"
Undaunted
But what pile of projection this artcle is. Posted by AM
Marisol didn't write this article, she simply posted it! Why don't you go through the archives and count the articles on islamic honor killings? They are not rare, isolated incidents that occur once or twice a year!!!! They occur EVERY DAY throughout the islamic world and in every country that has been invaded by hordes of muslims.
We have all conceded and agreed that honor killings began before the advent of islam, although according to muslims, islam has been around since time immemorial. However, muslims are responsible for 99% of all honor killings that occur in today's world. It's your scourge---do something about it and stop trying to impugn the messenger.
You hit the proverbial nail on the head. This perfectly explains the methodology of Ibrahim Hooper, Ahmad Rehab, and the legion of other Islamic apologists that overpopulate the media landscape. They spend all their time not so much trying to convince, but demanding that the kuffar acknowledge that Islam is the religion of peace. On the other hand, they seem indifferent toward convincing their more violent prone brethren that Islam is a peaceful, tolerant religion. When Robert Spencer points out that the mujahideen use certain texts to justify their actions he is denounced by CAIR and their fellow travelers as an "Islamophobe" and a bigot, yet when the rogues gallery of Muslim scholars and mujahideen use those texts in the exact way that Mr. Spencer points out they are rarely rebuked or denounced. Honestly, who does CAIR get more worked up over, Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes or Anjem Choudary and Daniel Boyd?
"You're the brown skid on clean undies, the chunks for which a bidet is made" ...you're 2funny :)
Eurofags will let him walk after ten years.
Q. Under Islam, what is the penalty for child rape and spousal murder....?
A. There is none. Marrying a child makes rape legal, and killing a "possession" especially a spouse is quite all right and often necessary.
"Once again Marisol and the JW crew prove they are only out to smear all Muslims, period."
Posted by: AbdullahMikail at August 20, 2009 1:41 PM
Once again, "Mikey whitewash" chooses to focus on the messenger for simply printing an article, as opposed to the consistently droning message.
Unless you are doubting the facts of the article, how is printing it a "smear" against all Muslims?
AbdullahMikail thinks one honor killing should not warrant extrapolation to a wider indictment of Muslims and of their Islam.
At the time of a 2005 article on the then latest honor killing in Germany when a young woman was gunned down by her brothers on a street in Berlin, there had been one honor killing a month preceding for six months.
The article goes on to say that among Germany's Turkish and Arab minorities... police list 45 cases in the last eight years. One woman was drowned in her bath, another stabbed to death by her husband in front of their three-year-old daughter.
(In another article, a German group against honor killings, Terre des Femmes, estimates 50 women honor-killed in the past 10 years as of early in 2009 -- http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4026518,00.html)
Every year dozens of women and girls, some as young as 13, run away to avoid arranged marriages - some in fear for their lives.
"Some were raped - by an uncle, by a cousin, even by the father - and when they should get married they are worried that someone will find out they're not a virgin anymore. They are afraid that they will be murdered," says a Berlin social worker who runs a centre for runaways.
She asked to remain anonymous, and the centre is located at a secret address.
Honour killings are, she says, just the most extreme form of repression faced by the people who come to her.
"All these girls who come to us are locked in, in the house, by their families. They only go to school because they have to by law - otherwise they wouldn't be allowed. They have to stay at home and cook, and care for the sisters and brothers. The parents don't accept that the girl decides anything by herself."
Furthermore, this report about the honor killing in 2005 noted:
On a school playground, just yards from where the killing occurred, children were heard praising it. The victim, they said, had lived like a German.
And it was not the only response of its kind.
"I heard a young Turkish lady said on a Turkish radio station 'she deserved it because she took off her headscarf'.
And last year in 2008 in Hamburg, Germany, a young girl, Morsal Obeidi, was ambushed in the parking lot of a Hamburg McDonald's restaurant by her 23-year-old brother Ahmad, who stabbed the girl 20 times...
Her murderer-brother, Ahmad ...reportedly told police that he killed his sister because she had become too comfortable with Western life with her uncovered hair, makeup and short skirts.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,358661,00.html
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4026518,00.html
Outside of Germany:
"300 girls and women ...die each year in Syria in so-called honor killings"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/magazine/23wwln-syria-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine&oref=slogin
In the UK, Banaz Mahmod was murdered by her Muslim father, uncle and another man. These three men ...brutally raped, stamped on and strangled [Banaz] ...in an "honor killing" carried out at her London home because she had fallen in love with the wrong man.
The "friend of the family" who participated with the father and uncle said "I was kicking and stamping on her neck to get the soul out."
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL1919223520070719?pag
Obviously, the quantity of honor killings among Muslims, as well as their grotesque quality, reflects a serious problem in Muslim societies. In the West, we acknowledge our social pathologies, and we try to do something to manage them -- we do not deny them like Muslims do their own social pathologies. We see in the commenter AbdullahMikail the reaction of denial that is typical of Muslims. Part of that denial reflects the Islamic belief, rooted in the Koran and Sunna, of protecting Islam from Infidels and closely related to this, of not badmouthing Islam in front of Infidels. Like all gangs and criminal organizations, Islam has a strong inculcation against "snitching" and "ratting out" one's fellow gang-members -- here, the Super-Gang, the international Brotherhood, of Islam.
Another one of those "rare" honor killings-or dishonor killings. . .
I wasn't clear--did he marry this girl when she was 11??? Islam is sick.
Life sentence is a joke. He gets to live while the person he murdered is dead. He stole a person's most valuable possession - her life.
The death sentence prevents him from ever getting out of jail in 15 years.
AM you are like the African black slaves who say I love being a slave and getting beaten. Yea mASTER.Master is Satan the DEVIL and Muhammad is his one prophet.
"Sharp cultural differences."
Is he kidding???
This has everything to do with Islam, and the dogma sanctioned by Mohamed, of misogyny and domestic abuse that is rampant in Dar al Islam.
The story of another honor murder is horrific and nauseating.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08202009/news/regionalnews/just_3__189__years_for_dwi_killer_185436.htm
Yes,those wonderful migrants.
Aaah a kurdish man! I have commented many times before on Jihadwatch that there is a huge difference between the secular Turks and the Turks from the backcountries (also often kurdish). They behave like animals, not only when they live in the mountains of Eastern Anatolia, but also when they come to the major cities in Turkey, or when they emigrate to the West.
In the militairy in Turkey you can clearly see the difference between the secular city Turks and the mountainpeople. A cousin of my girlfriend talked about kurdish men who had never seen a toilet before and just dug a hole next to the toilet to defacate in.
Those people just don't know how to behave in a proper manner, they never evolved and are still stuck in pre Medi Evil times. It is terrible that so many people, but especially women, become victamized by those people.