Only Israel has been willing to curb Hizballah's advance. Not the UN, and not Lebanon itself. With the double standards that have long been in place, Israel is vilified for doing what the putatively sovereign state to the north and international "peacekeepers" simply won't. "Hezbollah Readies for War as UN Peacekeepers Can Only Observe," by Daniel Williams for Bloomberg, August 21 (thanks to Sr Soph):
Aug. 21 (Bloomberg) -- In a Lebanese village 10 miles west of the Israeli border, black-capped Hezbollah militiamen stand guard in front of a suspected weapons cache.
Even though they are unarmed, their presence deters United Nations peacekeepers from approaching the house in Khirbet Silim, preventing the UN troops from fulfilling their mission, which is to stop Hezbollah from rearming.
“The UN can’t just come around here and go into people’s houses,” said Rassan Salim, a municipal official in the village and a Hezbollah militia member. “Our weapons are to defend Lebanon.”
Hezbollah’s efforts to stockpile arms became obvious on July 14 when weapons hidden in a house in the village blew up, according to officials from the UN Interim Force in Lebanon. Four days later, peacekeepers looking for arms tried to raid the house the militiamen now guard, about a kilometer from the one that exploded. Villagers stoned the soldiers, injuring 14, and blocked the incursion.
Hezbollah, which has the backing of Iran and Syria, is rebuilding its force in the south, undaunted by its loss in Lebanon’s June elections, in which a pro-U.S. coalition won a parliamentary majority. The peacekeepers’ stay in south Lebanon expires on Aug. 31 and the UN Security Council must decide whether to extend it without change or authorize them to impose the weapons ban by force even without the support of the Lebanese army. [...]
After the fighting ended, the Security Council passed a resolution prohibiting “weapons or authority in Lebanon other than that of the Lebanese state.” The peacekeepers were deployed to keep south Lebanon free of Hezbollah’s militia and arms, a role they have to perform with the cooperation of the Lebanese army.
The Lebanese military can’t disarm Hezbollah, said Elias Hanna, a former Lebanese army general and political science professor at Beirut’s Notre Dame University. “Half the army is Shiite and will not fight Shiites,” he said.
The military sat out the 2006 conflict. Prime Minister- designate Saad Hariri has said Hezbollah’s disarmament will be subject to a “national dialogue.”
Timur Goksel, a former spokesman for the peacekeepers, said the problem is that the UN operates under passive rules that depend on the host country’s consent.
“In the south, Hezbollah, not the government of Lebanon, is the real host,” he said.
40,000 Rockets
Israel is also violating the UN resolution with daily air surveillance flights over Lebanon, according to Andrea Tenenti, the peacekeepers’ spokesman.
Not at all equivalent. One is a sovereign state defending its borders against a terrorist state-within-a-state. One is conducting surveillance, while the latter stockpiles arms in civilian areas to manufacture casualties.
Israeli Defense MinisterEhud Barak told Army Radio on Aug. 4 that Hezbollah has stockpiled more than 40,000 rockets and “if there is a conflict on our northern border, we will use all necessary force.” [...]
Analysts in Beirut say Hezbollah is buttressing its defenses based on part-time village units supplemented by full- time militiamen who operate anti-tank weapons and inaccurate short-range rockets. The group is gathering Russian-made SA-8 radar guided anti-aircraft missiles and SA-18 shoulder-fired missiles for use against helicopters, said Saad-Ghorayeb. Hezbollah plans to send commandoes into Israel and obtain long- range missiles to hit towns south of Haifa, she added.
“In the next war, Hezbollah will want to use counter- offensive methods,” she said. “Hezbollah is setting the bar high for itself.”...
supplemented by full- time militiamen
Iranians?
Feel the 'peace' of islam!
When the next war with Hezbollah comes, and it will come, I can only hope Israel does not hold back as it did three years ago. It will be interesting too to observe Obama's take on it all. My guess is he will engage in the same kind of moral equivalency reasoning he did last year when Russia invaded Georgia, requesting both sides to reconsider the use of force and soothing, gutless nothings along these lines.
Of course, what can't be dismissed is that Obama might actually hope that Israel gets its comeuppance from Hezbollah so that it will strengthen his hand, or so he would think, in Middle Eastern affairs, which is all the more reason why this time obliteration of Hezbollah must be the order of the day. Eradicate a terrorist organization and send a message to Obama (and I write this as a patriotic American who loves his country but, at least for the present, is profoundly skeptical of his government). Long live Israel.
From the second Israel agreed to the world-pressured cease fire in '06, we knew Hezbollah would be re-arming, and that the UN force would do nothing to stop it. When that next Hezbollah war happens, and Wellington is right that it will, Hezbollah and the rest of the world will respond the same way they did last time, by moaning and crying about how brutal and horrible Israel is and begging Israel to stop, and at the same time, Hezbollah will be bragging how they beat Israel up, and the world press will be writing about plucky Hezbollah standing up to those viscious, barbaric, inhuman Israelis. It will take great perseverence and determination for Israel to finally not bend to the pressure and do what must be done.
Wellington is right, the next war IS coming. Both Hezbollah and Iran (one and the same, in fact) are perfectly willing to sacrifice Lebanon in order to wage their war upon Israel. Let's not forget that Hezbollah's rockets caused more damage to property and infrastructure inside Israel proper than any war since the war of independence in 1948.
This is why Israel must make a public pronouncement that Syrian complicity in the re-arming of Hezbollah, and the over-arching alliance and proxy relationship between Syria and Hezbollah, mean that a future attack on Israel by Hezbollah will be responded to as an attack by SYRIA on Israel. Given the imperviousness of Hezbollah, Syria and Iran on the well-being of Lebanon, holding Syria accountable is the only way to establish some deterrence in this conflict.
The self-destruction of the Republican party.
On June 25, 2006, Hamas sent jihadists through a tunnel into Israel to murder 2 Israeli soldiers and abduct 1. Before Israel even reacted, Baby Bush opened his W lips and wimpily bleated to Israel a warning "not to hurt innocent Palestinian civilians". It made me ill, ill, ill. I knew that this encouraged the jihadists and demoralized Israel who had developed a Pavlovian lab dog reflex: every time it tries to defend itself, the current American Coward-in-Chief, Republican or Democrat, compulsively grabs onto its wrists and restrains it from any fight. And so, Israel limited itself to bombing empty offices at night. This encouraged a similar attack by Hezbollah on July 12. Bush & Cowardeezza panicked even worse, and rescued Hezbollah, a serial mass-murderer of Americans, from Israel with a UN resolution. If the 2 cowards simply stood aside, Israel would have achieved a victory in "the war on terror", and give some boost to the standing of Bush who had discredited that very term with his misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.
Meanwhile, in Wales:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/22555
Cornelius,
When Syrian regular Army was pushed out of southren Lebanon by US pressure over the Hariri assassination ( who benefitted from that any way? Follow the benefits you'll find the criminal...) what did Israel do?
It invaded southern lebanon and started a war...the initial tank invasion by IDF soldiers started the whole conflict. The only paper to truthfully report it was a Canadian news outlet...the position of the tank's burning wrechage was 6 km inside the border of Lebannon.
Israel started the last war, not Hezbollah.
Comments?
Peace
Abdullah
Ha!
Of course it has nothing to do with the PLO
launching attacks from "Lebannon",during
the Civil War, at all!
How lame you've become AM!
peacekeepers looking for arms tried to raid the house the militiamen now guard, about a kilometer from the one that exploded. Villagers stoned the soldiers, injuring 14, and blocked the incursion.
What kind of soldier is afraid of villagers with rocks?
anonamustafa,
There has to be a timely reason when states go to war...even though we used trumped up evidence and and emotionaly charged political landscape post 9-11...we still needed a vote in congress to go.
I am pointing out in this one there was a vacuum of power when a professional Army left and Israel took advantage of that and invaded.
Cornelius, comments?
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
I see left wing nutjobs are still trying to deny the truth..... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/21/muslims-eurabia-europe
Islam understands one thing and one thing only - brute force - hence the "girly men" observers are a joke to all concerned. The IDF has to strike with a "take no prisoners" attitude and stop caring about PC, image, and the assured world's condemnation (which is guaranteed for all Israeli actions short of unilateral, unconditional surrender to dhimmitude or, more likely, extermination). An over-the-top smackdown that has them begging for mercy is the only way to deal with the Mo's.
To Abdullah:
What "comments" do you seek, you, shameless Taqiyya liar? Do you think that posters here are so ignorant that they don't know about the unprovoked, dastardly, murderous Hezbollah attack on Israeli soldiers, accross an internationally recognized border and into the sovereign territory of a UN member nation on July 12, 2006?
Folks, this Muslim troll seeks to hijack the discussion and take it into an endless loop, he brazenly lying and you seriously trying to reason with him. Don't fall for this bait that should be familiar to you by now. This is what Muslim trolls do. Just a short expression of contempt - that's the only kind of comment this troll deserves. But don't let him divert you and waste your time on "debating" him.
Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.
A little OT. Here's an interesting story Robert Spencer may wish to post or comment on:
"Swedish foreign minister: We're not anti-Semitic"
Carl Bildt rejects calls to condemn unsubstantiated story accusing Israeli troops of plundering Palestinian organs, draws parallel to Muhammad cartoon outrage; 'Freedom of expression very strong in our constitution,' he says....
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3765235,00.html
Abdullah Mikail, you continue to lie on behalf of your cult. At least you're consistent, possibly your only positive trait.
As usual, by your idiotic assertion, it's the poor moslems who are transgressed against.
This does fly in the face of evidence to the contrary, but don't let that impact your attempts at fund raising.
Please continue lying, AM, it's hilarious.
Talkback #20. Absolutely no comparison to Muhammed cartoons.
The Cartoons showing Muhammad wearing explosive belt, provided a mirror image of reality, of how Muslims worldwide use Islam to justify countless terrorist attacks and murders.
In contrast, the "organ harvesting" report was pure libelous antisemitic fiction.
Moreover, the Muhammad cartoons sparked world wide riots, violence, and death threats by masses of Islamic religious fanatics. In contrast, not one single Jew rioted, resorted to violence, or expressed death threats to the newspaper editor.
What a silly comparison by a silly minister.
Tahl , Ashdod, Israel (08.21.09)
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3765235,00.html
"There has to be a timely reason when states go to war...even though we used trumped up evidence and and emotionaly charged political landscape post 9-11...we still needed a vote in congress to go."
Posted by: AbdullahMikail at August 21, 2009 11:18 AM
Are you referring to the trumped-up charges of the collapsing skyscrapers by the hands of Muslims that I witnessed firsthand that lead to the war in Afghanistan, or are you talking about the trumped-up charges of WMD's which led to the war in Iraq which we now discover could have been avoided by Hussein (that's Saddam, not Barack) had he only been forthright, obeyed sanctions applied by the UN after the Gulf War to which he earned, and admitted quietly that he was only making these claims to keep Iran in check, then freely allowing the UN inspectores free access to confirm there non-existence?
Which one?
Interesting:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010150.php
February 10, 2006
Swedish government shuts down website showing Muhammad cartoons
Swedish Eurodhimmis act with an unusual dispatch against an enemy much more formidable than Islamic terrorism: those who insult the Prophet. "Säpo stops Muhammad cartoon site," from The Local, with thanks to Fjordman:
The website of the Sweden Democrats (Sverigedemokraterna) reopened on Friday morning, after the far-right party removed drawings of the prophet Muhammad. The site had been taken down by its hosting company after requests from Sweden’s foreign ministry and security service, Säpo.
The hosting company, Levonline, says its block on the Sweden Democrats’ site and that of its newspaper SD-Kuriren remains in place. The party’s secretary, Björn Söder, says the site has been reopened by moving it to another server, although the pictures of Muhammad have been removed.
“We have done this with the safety of Swedish citizens abroad in mind,” Söder said.
At the time of writing, however, the site was not loading.
February 10, 2006
Swedish government shuts down website showing Muhammad cartoons
Posted by: Steve Klein
"Swedish foreign minister: We're not anti-Semitic"
Carl Bildt rejects calls to condemn unsubstantiated story accusing Israeli troops of plundering Palestinian organs, draws parallel to Muhammad cartoon outrage; 'Freedom of expression very strong in our constitution,' he says....
Posted by: Steve Klein
Looks like "freedom of expression" wssn't that strong in their constitution 3 years ago. Maybe now that it's stronger, the cartoons should be republished.
Mikhail,
Let me refresh your memory:
1) The Lebanese war of 2006 was precipitated by an unprovoked Hezbollah attack on an Israeli army outpost inside Israel in which five Israeli IDF were killed, and two kidnapped and subsequently killed.
2) Harriri's killing has been investigated by multiple sources, including the UN. The blame is laid squarely on the Syrians and their Lebanese proxies (Hezbollah). Even the Saudis understand this. But you, because of the vice-grip that your hateful creed has on your mind, are unable to see the truth.
Harriri's death is one of a half dozen of Lebanese politicians and journalists murdered over the last 9 years. All were outspoken opponents of Syria. It is an interesting conspiracy theory when the CIA and/or the Mossad are blamed for murdering - one by one - all of their apparent assets in Lebanon.
1) February 10, 2006
Swedish government shuts down website showing Muhammad cartoons
2) "Swedish foreign minister: We're not anti-Semitic"
Carl Bildt rejects calls to condemn unsubstantiated story accusing Israeli troops of plundering Palestinian organs, draws parallel to Muhammad cartoon outrage; 'Freedom of expression very strong in our constitution,' he says....
Looks like "freedom of expression" wasn't that strong in their constitution 3 years ago. Maybe now that it's stronger, the cartoons should be republished.
Posted by: ebonystone
As they say, The Swedes, methinks doth protest too much.
AbdullahMikail:
Forbes AFP and the AP all initially reported that the capturing of the Israeli soldiers happened in Lebanon. It took 24 hours or so to coordinate what the "official" version of the story would be.
AbdullahMikail:
I like Stan Goff's (a former special forces guy)comment on the story that Hezbollah captured the Israelis in Israel:
"The border of Southern Lebanon and Israel is a seamless web of intervisible Israeli outposts with night vision devices, tied together with ground surveillance radar, plowed-flat and raked daily to see footprints, and backed by quick reaction forces. Israelis routinely make incursive patrols into Lebanon. It is nearly impossible for an organized group of Hezbolla or anyone else to cross the border south, much less capture prisoners there. The very notion that this was an incursion INTO Israel is propped up solely by the credulity of the general public that knows nothing about military operations. In reality, the idea is as ludicrous as the Easter Bunny."
feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/07/16/the-p-word/
Yea Dave, just like it was an impossibility that some guy in a cave could knock down the twin towers.
It always amazes me....when Muslims successfully attack non-Muslims, their co-religionist defenders suddenly espouse the view that Muslims - because of their backwardness - could never have pulled off such a feat. At all other times though, Muslims are superior to the dirty Kafir.
Despicable.
Just found this, it is an old story, but it just shows how much support for Israel is growing.
http://thehinduvoice.com/blog/?p=514
I like Stan Goff's (a former special forces guy)comment on the story that Hezbollah captured the Israelis in Israel:
Posted by: dave742 at August 21, 2009 12:29 PM
Stan Goff? Do you mean anti-war, anti-capitalist, HuffPo contributing, Marxist turned feminist, Stan Goff?
I can't imagine anyone refuting Stan's account. I am surprised his exact account isn't already burned into liberal historical textbooks along with the re-write that Hezbollah actually just lobbed water balloons, not missles, incessently into Israel.
Cornelius:
"suddenly espouse the view that Muslims - because of their backwardness - could never have pulled off such a feat."
I never espoused that view. I espoused the view put forward by Goff, which was:
"It is nearly impossible for an organized group of Hezbolla OR ANYONE ELSE to cross the border south, much less capture prisoners there."
It is impossible for ANYONE; Muslim, American, or any other group that you can think of, to cross the Israel/Lebanon border and capture Isreli soldiers. Read carefully.
But I realize that if the IDF tells you that the Easter Bunny is real, you will believe it.
awake:
"Marxist turned feminist"
Can't you be both?
"Can't you be both?"
Posted by: dave742 at August 21, 2009 1:05 PM
Yes, you can. Goff's his affinity for feminism is relatively recent, hence my reference to it, but I did not mean to imply that he no longer held Marxist principles.
Thanks for setting things straight, Cornelius, and you too Enragedsince1999. Dave742 is the very type who would have been willing to believe, had he lived back then, that it was the Poles who crossed the German frontier in the early morning hours of September 1, 1939, sabotaged some German radio towers and thus precipitated the German invasion of Poland. Mendacity and iniquity will always finds it defenders, which takes me effortlessly to Abdullah Mikhail who is a regular defender of lies masquerading as truth and evil posing as good.
Cornelius
I found this story in a Canadian Paper which corroborated what I was told then from other sources.
The suppossed "cross border raid" that occurred was being mis-represented by the western media...the official spin implied that Hezbollah entered Israel to abduct the soldiers when it was the other way around.
In the absence of a professional Syrian military, the IDF tank invaded Lebanon and was destroyed by anti tank rockets from Hizballah...six IDF soldiers unfortunately lost their lives and two were captured INSIDE Lebanon.
EXCERPT
Israel launches war against Lebanon based upon Disinformation
Israeli soldiers were actually captured in Lebanon.
Having consulted foreign correspondents and reliable independent editorial sources, it appears that Israel has launched a war against Lebanon, under the cover of dissembled media reports. These independent sources include the U.S.-based Associated Press.
The Canadian National Newspaper originally reported that Israel's launched war was a reactionary response to Hezbollah venturing into Israel, and kidnapping Israeli soldiers. However, it is apparent that members of the Israeli army were captured well inside Lebanon.
Hezbollah has demanded for years now the release of prisoners held by Israel, such as Samir el Kantar, imprisoned since 1978, Nassim Nisr and Yahia Skaff, imprisoned since 1982.
On innumerable occasions Hezbollah made it known that, in turn, it would not hesitate to capture Israeli soldiers- if they enter Lebanon -- and to use them as bargaining.
END OF EXCERPT
The location of the tank was Ayta ash Shab 6 km inside Lebannon proper...the tank's burning wreckage was there the whole time as a witness to what started that specific war.
And if you follow the events without being biased you will see that the only entity to benefit from Harrirri's assassination was Israel... it allowed for political pressure to push Syria out of Southern Lebannon and make it safe for the IDF to do what they did next.
Fiad Sinora is the biggest whimp on the planet...if it weren't for civil defence forces Southern Lebanon would be another occupied terriroy.
Peace
Abdullah
God bless Israel!! I can't go over there and fight with them but I will donate money and prayers to their cause and survival.
Perhaps Syria was too stupid to realize that assassinating Harriri (which it did) would lead to the results that occurred. After all, one shouldn't attribute too much collective intelligence to the thugs who run a terrorist state like Syria. Really, who thinks of Syria as a together nation, one worthy of admiration, one which is productive and is respected by others, one which is smart in a true or noble way? Well, for that matter, just look at the entire Islamic world for a dearth of most everything that is worth admiring.
OT:
BREAKING NEWS:
Judge rules in favor of Rifka Bary!!!
Awaiting the News sites to update with this info.
Cheers
From The Orlando Sentinel:
17-year-old runaway who doesn't want to return to her Muslim family in Ohio must stay in Florida, an Orange County judge decided this afternoon.
Fathima Rifqa Bary was ordered to stay in Florida as the Florida Department of Law Enforcement launches an investigation into her family and the Muslim community in Ohio where she lives.
Really excellent news!
Orlando Sentinel just posted the info:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-rifqa-bary-ohio-teen-runaway-082109,0,2812365.story
Cheers
DrBulldog -- thanks for the update -- Yay!!
Really excellent news!
Posted by: Abu_Lahab
Agreed, Abu! :)
Abu_Lahab,
LOL! I didn't refresh my page before I posted the link, so I missed your reference to the Orlando Sentinel.
I guess we both were thinking along the same lines and immediately went to the Orlando Sentinel.
To quote one of my buddies:
"Great minds...think!"
Cheers
Ruslan, Wellington, Cornelius - gentlemen, thank you so much for dealing with the Mohammedtroll dementors, 'dave742' and 'abdullah mikail'.
I concur with your assessment, Ruslan:
"Folks, this Muslim troll seeks to hijack the discussion and take it into an endless loop, he brazenly lying and you seriously trying to reason with him.
"Don't fall for this bait that should be familiar to you by now. This is what Muslim trolls do. Just a short expression of contempt - that's the only kind of comment this troll deserves. But don't let him divert you and waste your time on "debating" him."
Yes. The only reason why their Lie Bombs must, at times, be publicly defused (with as much dispatch as possible) is for the benefit of those non-Muslims new to this site and to this subject who ( not yet familiar with the way in which falsehood of every imaginable kind, great and small, brazenly gross or seemingly plausible, is habitually employed by Mohammedans defending their cult) might be confused or deceived.
Dumbledoresarmy,
“Really Big Lies” prove anything I have stated is a really big lie, and I will go away from here, period.
You can not do it, because I don’t tell lies…I prove what I write, and if I am in error in my opinion about current politics and conflict I admit it…no lie there.
So, your eloquent self embellishment not withstanding, I will defend anything I write here about Islam against you toe to toe and you will be defeated.
Yes, I am sure you have studied somewhat of the Quran and the Hadiths, but, from your writing on the subject, I feel it safe to say you have not studied it anywhere near to the depth that I have. But then again, I have read Plato, and Aristotle, and many other scholars, historians, poets…etc. all from the dusty shelves of the library of Western culture and I was unimpressed…and I have most likely not studied them in the depth that you have. Fair enough for you to make that claim of superiority in the knowledge of those over me…I don’t hold it against you, and I don’t fault myself for not being more well read in them…I have more important things to study.
And I for one have NEVER argued that there was not a temple in Jerusalem.
There absolutely was, and it was dedicated to the worship of One God by the Jews…history proves what existed and what followed….and, much like when the Kabba was cleaned out from the idols and re-dedicated to it’s initial purpose, the worship of One God in Masjid Al Aqsa (Baitul Maqdis)was renewed. That is where it is today.
“, no matter how simply false and mad their words may sound to those of us who come from a truth/ falsehood culture”
I lay the challenge to you, any time you think I have uttered a falsehood concerning Islam, fiqh, hadiths, etc. and think you can prove it, I welcome you to the matt…it will be my pleasure to prove what I say to you.
Truth will destroy falsehood every time.
Your little game of one-ups-manship and slapping each other on the back for being obnoxious, however wrong you are proven, is entertaining for those who read this site and never comment...
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
AbdullahMikail has failed to answer a few questions of mine, and has spent hours on several different occasions failing to answer them by tap-dancing in circles. Then when he can't tap-dance anymore, he just disappears conveniently. Then later, when he thinks people have forgotten what he did, he reappears again, ready to tap-dance all over again.
UNFIL Needs to leave. Their work is done already. They have been O so helpful in making things worse.
I really do not think the UN wants to be seen as openly supporting the wrong side when the shooting starts.
Hesperado,
You are unable to understand the answers.
What seems like "tap dancing" to you is just following the awkward tune you play.
You ask a question that is open ended, and then continuously deny you were given an answer.
It's the game you choose to play...you know you are doing it and so do I.
I manage in business and I am not always available to entertain your "never ending story" lines of questioning.
I do what I can to get an answer for you, but you seem never to understand or be satisfied with what is proven to you...not enough font space here to fill you in on the requisite information.
Some ships, like yours, once they leave the harbor they can never be guided in again as the pilot does not want to follow or understand instructions by design...and simply sails away.
All the same, here's wishing you fair wind and following skys...
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
AM: ....and, much like when the Kabba was cleaned out from the idols and re-dedicated to it’s initial purpose
More lies. As the cube was originally a vedic temple (followed by pagans and then your cult) it never was originally a monotheistic place of worship. The frantic attempts by moslems to rewrite history is typical, convenient to your belief system and full of holes.
It's a meteor, nothing more. One day it'll be examined and shown to be ordinary.
If you're 'unimpressed' by Plato and Aristotle (which would naturally lead you to also be unimpressed by Socrates) then it shows nicely how poor your reading level is.
As regards the sneerings and tauntings of Abdullah Mikail
And if Abdullah prefers the labyrinthine madness of the Quran and the Hadith and the Sira and their interpreters, and chooses to look with contempt upon such things as the Symposium and the Phaedrus, or the Politics of Aristotle, or St Augustine or Dante or the Lady Julian of Norwich or Sir Thomas More or Shakespeare, then he has already sufficiently exposed himself as one who prefers mud (puddled with human blood) to the glory of the everlasting stars.
I find that the judgement of John Quincy Adams and Sir Winston Churchill, concerning Islam, rings true. I choose to stand with them, against the Arab pseudo-gnostic War-Cult of Death.
And I also find that Serge Trifkovic in his useful overview "The Sword of the Prophet", has said all that needs to be said about the fruits of Islam, observed in space and time:
“The fruits of attempted escape from the shackles of natural morality are as predictable as they are grim, for the Muslims no less than for their victims:
'both are enslaved, brutalized and dehumanized by Islam.
"The all-pervasive lack of freedom is the hallmark of the Muslim world.
'Discrimination against non-coreligionists and women of all creeds,
racism,
slavery, virulent antisemitism, and cultural imperialism
can be found – individually or in various combinations – in different cultures and eras.
"Islam alone has them all at once, all the time, and divinely sanctioned at that.”
dumbledoresarmy:
Well said indeed. As usual.
Abdullah Mikhail, our resident troll, has apparently bought into the theory that the anti-Syrian, former Lebanese PM Rafik Hariri was murdered by the Mossad in order to discredit Syria.
Let's take a look at other anti-Syrian, Lebanese politicians and journalists who suffered similar fates over the last 5 years. Besides Rafiki, we have:
2) Journalist Samir Kassir, murdered June 2005
3) Politician George Hawi, murdered June 2005
4) Journalist May Chidiar, maimed Sept 2005
5) Politician Gebran Tueni, murdered Dec 2005
6) Politician Pierre Gemayal, murdered Nov 2006
7) Politician Wahid Eido, murdered June 2007
Like Hariri, almost all of the victims were attacked by the same method, massive car bombs.
Now, according to Abdullah, Israel is apparently eliminating - one by one - all the anti-Syrian politicians in Lebanon in some bizarre, convoluted strategy to embarrass Syria by enhancing its position.
Abdullah, you're every bit as evil as the murderers you're trying to cover for.
Your assessment of Abdullah Mikhail, Cornelius, is one with which I am in total agreement. He's an apologist for evil and one who engages in profoundly deep deceptions to sustain his warped view of the human condition.
Every totalitarian system has its excusers, its obfuscators, its dissemblers. Abdullah Mikhail is another sorry example of this. But he does serve one important purpose, and that is that he demonstrates to all who will take the time to notice that evil is not easily done away with and that the fight for justice, truth and liberty is ordinarily an arduous one. More and more, and unwittingly so, individuals like AM convey unambiguously that one of the ultimate enemies of what is proper and true is Islam itself. This much he's good for. Fitting, I think, that this is the case. Quite appropriately ironic. Very.
Ruslan,
You have EVERY REASON to be Enraged since 1999.
Certainly it INVOLVES a Democratic administration and Bosnian Muslims whose ancestors WERE HITLER'S ALLIES and who formed the SS-Handschar Division UNDER the Father of Modern Jihad, Palestinian Arab Leader, Haj Amin Al-Husseini.
Abdullah, you're every bit as evil as the murderers you're trying to cover for.
Posted by: Cornelius
Hear, hear! ...you've nailed, Absolute Moron, right between the eyes
"Whitewash Mike" rarely if ever responds to my direct, substantive questions posed to him anymore. Just look at the recent threads here at JW for validation of my assertion.
I guess if, "you can't understand", as Mike regularly contends, is a viable and constant substantive counter-argument in a parallel universe, one wholly devoid of logic in contrast to the real world we all live in, is acceptable, then "Whitewash Mike" is indeed ahead of the curve.
Doubtful.
Even though they are unarmed, their presence deters United Nations peacekeepers from approaching the house in Khirbet Silim...
......................
I'm just speechless. The "peacekeepers" weren't violently turned away by Hizb'allah--they haven't even attempted to approach...
more:
Timur Goksel, a former spokesman for the peacekeepers, said the problem is that the UN operates under passive rules that depend on the host country’s consent.
“In the south, Hezbollah, not the government of Lebanon, is the real host,” he said.
......................
All their presence in southern Lebanon is accomplishing is giving the appearance that someone is keeping tabs on Hizb'allah's actions. If they aren't acting--and can't or won't develop the gumption to do so--then they should at least have the decency to pull out altogether, and end the charade--and acknowledge that they are not serving as watchdogs. Both Lebanon and the UN have essentially abdicated their responsibilities in the face of Hizb'allah aggression.
more:
Israel is also violating the UN resolution with daily air surveillance flights over Lebanon, according to Andrea Tenenti, the peacekeepers’ spokesman.
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What a weasel. If the United Nations won't keep tabs on Hizb'allah, they should hardly complain when Israel steps into the breach to do so. We should be glad Hizb'allah is not being monitored by *somebody*.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/un_iran_bomb_ros_lehtinen/2009/08/19/250005.html?s=al&promo_code=85C3-1
Remember, Israel hit a Nuclear site, and who knows what may have been "delivered" from there before it was destroyed.. Now, this no go zone for the U.N. , even though it is required to know what is going on there.
Israel should be at the U.N. with full warning of what will, what must happen, if the U.N. sits on this.
Then, those "houses" should be given fair warning, nothing more.
May God continue to guide and protect Israel.
“If Arabs stop fighting, there will be peace in the Middle East; if Israelis stopped fighting, they will cease to exist.”
“If Arabs stop fighting, there will be peace in the Middle East; if Israelis stopped fighting, they will cease to exist.”
AbdullahMikail:
Forbes AFP and the AP all initially reported that the capturing of the Israeli soldiers happened in Lebanon. It took 24 hours or so to coordinate what the "official" version of the story would be.
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Does anyone remember what "dave742"'s avatar was on the old IntenseDebate system? Why, that would be the Hizb'allah logo, of a green machine gun rampant on a yellow field.
Why was Lebanon being occupied by Syrian military forces?
Abdullah, the Israeli soldiers who were killed by anti-tank rockets were not inside tanks. They were inside humvees.
Secondly, the attack on the humvees followed rocket attacks on Israeli border towns in what Hezbollah called "Operation Truthful Promise", referring to their pledge to kidnap Israelis to gain the rlease of Hizbollah agents inside Israel.
Third, you can emphasize Nasrallah saying that it would only kidnap Israelis inside Lebanon although they kidnapped an Israeli inside Dubai and attempted abductions in western Africa and Venezuela. Hizbollah also consider parts of northern Israel Lebanese soil despite the UN stating otherwise so that quote needs to be understood in context of what Nasrallah means by "inside Lebanon" and what the rest of the world does.
I find it hard to believe that every newspaper in the Western world, the UN, and Human Rights Watch got the story wrong except for one unnamed paper in Canada.
thank_god_im_an_infidel:
"I find it hard to believe that every newspaper in the Western world, the UN, and Human Rights Watch got the story wrong except for one unnamed paper in Canada."
As I said above, in the first 24 hours Forbes, UPI and the AP all reprted the same story - the kidnapping happened in Lebanon. It was only after the first 24 hours that the story changed.
thank_god_im_an_infidel:
Let's look at how the AP reported the story. During breaking news, wire services continually put out updates of stories which are then picked up by the MSM. These individual stories can be found on Lexis Nexis and are not only dated, but time stamped. Here is the first report about the incident given by the AP at 9:34 AM by Joseph Panossian:
“The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon. Israel's prime minister warned the guerrillas would pay a ‘heavy price’ for their actions. The Israeli Defense Ministry confirmed the captures and said it held the Lebanese government directly responsible for their fate and safe return.”
Associated Press Online
July 12, 2006 Wednesday 9:34 AM GMT
Hezbollah: 2 Israeli Soldiers Captured
BYLINE: By JOSEPH PANOSSIAN, Associated Press Writer
Here is the story that came out 4 hours later by the same writer:
"Hezbollah militants captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid Wednesday, and dozens of Israeli troops crossed the frontier with warplanes, tanks and gunboats to hunt for the captives."
Associated Press Online
July 12, 2006 Wednesday 1:35 PM GMT
Hezbollah Captures 2 Israeli Soldiers
BYLINE: By JOSEPH PANOSSIAN, Associated Press Writer
Panossian got a call sometime within those 4 hours and was instructed what the "correct" version of the story was. It is very interesting to watch stories develop on Lexis Nexis. Specifically, to watch how they change within the first 12 hours or so. To the extent that I believe anything in the MSM, I will believe the very earliest stories first, before the "official" version starts to be parroted.
DAVE: "To the extent that I believe anything in the MSM, I will believe the very earliest stories first, before the "official" version starts to be parroted."
Why do I suspect that had the order been reversed and the early story had the events in Israel and the later story had them in Lebanon, Dave would still believe they occurred in Lebanon? It's not about the order...and it's certainly not about the truth, is it Dave? It's about hating Israel, plain and simple.
Furthermore, since when is the MSM biased towards Israel? Answer: Only in the minds of anti-semitic conspiracy theorists.
Dave, it's hard to take anyone serious who thinks that initial reports are never wrong and those that are corrected or updated are so due to some wacky conspiracy theory.
Again, I'm not sold on the idea that every media outlet and human rights group got this story wrong and still has it has wrong after three years.
In fact, Nasrallah at one point said that if knew the Israeli response would have been so strong he never would have attacked Israel.Further proof of who had started the 2006 war.
"BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- Had Hezbollah known how Israel was going to respond, the group would not have captured two Israeli soldiers last month in northern Israel, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said Sunday.
But, in an interview with Lebanon's New TV, Nasrallah also said the war would have happened anyway -- a few months later.
He insisted, without offering evidence, that Israel had been planning to launch military action in October, and the July raid by Hezbollah merely moved up the Israelis' timetable.
In a raid into Israel on July 12, Hezbollah militants killed three Israeli soldiers and abducted two others."
What "dave" above interprets as an unwarranted modification of a news story 4 hours later with a supposedly falsified "version" of the original story, others with a more level head and experience with news reporting would interpret merely as changing the story as new data comes in over those subsequent 4 hours. There is nothing in the second version dave cites that necessarily contradicts the first version. The second version just looks like amplification, given new data.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027303.php#c624452
This is a joke, right?
It is not just the wire report stories. It's that combined with the impossibility of anyone being able to cross that border (ground penetrating radar/night vision, etc), capture 2 Israelis, kill many others, and cross back with captives without anyone killing them or fighting back. It's fantasy.
I'd much rather believe that Hezbollah was able to cross into Israel and do what they did without losing a single person anyway. It's something that they wouldn't even write into a Rambo movie because the audience would find it too unbeleivable. But if Hezbollah is that good, fine.
Compare that to Israel's "daring Commando raid" during the 2006 war when they captured Nasrallah. Too bad it was the wrong Nasrallah. The Nasrallah Israel captured was this guy:
al-akhbar.com/ar/node/2044
Idiots.
Dave, I don't think you have the military expertise or knowledge of Israel's security apparatus and logistics to make that evaluation.