An American branch of this group met recently in Chicago. No one seemed to mind. Note also that when non-Muslims point out that according to mainstream Islamic teaching, "in principle, Jihad is an offensive Jihad, which was instated in order to spread Islam throughout the world," thuggish pseudo-moderate groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations charge them with "bigotry" and "Islamophobia." But don't hold your breath waiting for CAIR's Honest Ibe Hooper or Brave Ahmed Rehab to charge Salah Al-Din 'Adhadhda or Muhammad Ibrahim with "bigotry" and "Islamophobia."
"Lebanese Islamists in Favor of 'Offensive Jihad' to Conquer the World and Impose Islam," from MEMRI, July 21 (thanks to all who sent this in):
Following are excerpts from a public address delivered by members of the Islamist group Hizb Al-Tahrir in Lebanon, which aired on Al-Jazeera TV on July 21, 2009.Salah Al-Din 'Adhadhda, member of the press bureau of Hizb Al-Tahrir in Lebanon: We have come here to talk about the pinnacle of Islam – Jihad for the sake of Allah. Since Jihad – like other precepts of the Shari'a - has been subjected to distortion and perversion, due to the ideological and cultural invasion from which our nation continues to suffer, and since the nation has lost the true meaning of Jihad, and in the mind of many of us, Jihad has become tantamount to resistance, conducted by a group of young Muslim men with some capabilities – the Jihad of a nation over 1.5 billion strong has been reduced to the killing of an American in Iraq, a Briton in Afghanistan, a Jew in Palestine, or a Russian in Chechnya. Thus, the nation takes to the streets of its cities to celebrate the killing of a dozen here or a hundred there.
The nation has lost sight of the fact that it should not really celebrate, even if Palestine, Iraq, and Afghanistan are liberated, because these occupations resulted from the nation's negligence and silence, in the face of these corrupt regimes. Although the crimes of these collaborating rulers are obvious – as is their assistance in the occupation of our countries by the infidel countries – our nation has forgotten that true celebration should only occur with the conquest of the capitals of the world by the message of Islam, in order to save and liberate humanity, by pulling the people out of the darkness and tyranny of capitalism into the light and justice of Islam.
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Muhammad Ibrahim, member of the advisory council of Hizb Al-Tahrir in Lebanon: Jihad in Islam is two-fold. The first type is the offensive Jihad, in which the Muslims engage the infidels in fighting in order to bring the message of Islam to them, and to pull them from darkness and into the light. This type of Jihad has suffered the most violent ideological and cultural campaign by the West, because of what the infidels viewed as the shattering of their earthly interests – interests that exploit human beings, sucking their blood. Jihad is the path to save mankind from the deprivation and hardship of their lives. The West has directed its arrows intensively against the Jihad, because it realized how dangerous Jihad is to Western civilization and culture. The West has distorted Jihad, presenting it as a blatant attack against people, by shedding their blood, subjugating them, oppressing them, plundering their resources, and so on. It has distorted the true meaning of Jihad.
It is sad that some Muslims have clung to the West and been influenced by its culture. Such people went as far as to repeat the claims of many Orientalists – that Jihad is a defensive war only, and that there is no truth in what is being spread about offensive Jihad or offensive war. Thus, they aligned themselves with Western culture. Worse are those who bleat like the enemies of Islam, and consider Jihad to be aggression and terrorism.
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Some people tried to interpret Jihad to mean nothing more than self-defense. Thus, the Muslims abandoned the pinnacle of their glory, and relinquished their responsibility toward the world, as a result of their ideological weakness and their lack of understanding of the laws of the Shari'a of the Prophet Muhammad. In principle, Jihad is an offensive Jihad, which was instated in order to spread Islam throughout the world.
First part of Dumbledoresarmy's record of the original comments thread for this article.
UNDAUNTED - Bring it, bitches. Come on over here and try to drag us into your "light."
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2009/03/ge...
-BEMUSED said - Unfortunately, they are "bringing it." International Islam is deploying the Womb Bomb and unfettered immigration (aided and abetted by Obama, the MSM, academia, etc.) to turn the US into a Muslim land within 150 years. If we keep sleepwalking through the next century, our great granddaughters will be wearing burkhas.
-UNDAUNTED told BEMUSED - Yea, I know.
-BASEBALLMAVEN told UNDAUNTED - Frightening, eh?
Is this the same group of nutjobs that met in Chicago in July? I never did get a response from Hilton Hotels.
MUHAMMADBEAR said - (quoting) "In principle, Jihad is an offensive Jihad, which was instated in order to spread Islam throughout the world."
Are AM and Muzzammil aware of this? The rather vacuous and increasingly irrelevant Abdullard seems to think that Jihad is just a spiritual struggle. But then he does believe in alchemy so reality really isn’t a feature in his worldview.
I wonder if he will be prepared to renounce Jihad now that he understands its true meaning?
-MOBAMAD said - They both have always understood. They were both lieing, but im sure we were all aware of that. They will never denounce jihad, This IS there jihad.
-GYMGAL said - Yes, this is their jihad, you got that right! Their small contribution to their "brothers".
Love your joker, I laughed out loud when I saw it!
-ALKIDYA said - (quoting) "Worse are those who bleat like the enemies of Islam, and consider Jihad to be aggression and terrorism".
I don't understand this statement!
If it is "offensive jihad and offensive warfare", as he states, then why would he say "Worse are those who bleat like the enemies of Islam, and consider Jihad to be aggression and terrorism".
If it isn't aggression and terrorism then what else is it?
"Call a spade a spade" and be done with it!
Then we can get on with the "Crusades" and obliterate the whole lot of them.
-GRAVENIMAGE said to MUHAMMADBEAR - (quoting) " Are AM and Muzzammil aware of this? "
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Just recently, Abdullah Mikail claimed that anyone who believed that Islam condoned compulsion in religion "must be insane". Perhaps he should let the good fellows of Hizb Al-Tahrir know about this.
-MUHAMMADBEAR told GRAVENIMAGE - I have no doubt that they are on his list of misunderstanders whose worldview must be corrected at all cost. They probably appear after Hamas and Hezbollah.
I suspect that his list is alphabetical and he is still struggling with 'A' as he tries to convince Al Azhar University that the gates of ijtihad are indeed still open; that all the previous Jurists have not understood Jihad's peaceful message; and that Rudolph Peters is more authoritive than, say, Ibn Taymiyya.
-GRAVENIMAGE said to MUHAMMADBEAR - Like most Muslim apologists, they would much rather spend their time re-educating the "misunderstanders" here at JW and elsewhere in the West, rather than hazarding a confrontation with their savage co-religionists, who would likely brand them "apostates", with all the unpleasantness that would follow.
And that's assuming, of course, that this isn't all Taqiyya, anyway.
It is much easier to spread a vicious ideology if those who might oppose it are more concerned about appearing "Islamophobic" than they are about defending their freedoms.
-BASEBALLMAVEN said - Exactly, and he [Abdullah Mikail] challenged me to "prove" to him that Islam called for violence--wanted me to re-cite every example, and if I couldn't or wouldn't then clearly he is right and "he wins"--I told him to start reading JW and the newspapers...that's all he needs to do.
- ABU LAHAB said - Then ask him why, if islam is so peaceful, is it that most of the worlds' violence is islam based?
Even when the media deliberately misleads or fails to report the source of the problem it is primarily islam.
AWAKE said - (quoting article) "...our nation has forgotten that true celebration should only occur with the conquest of the capitals of the world by the message of Islam, in order to save and liberate humanity, by pulling the people out of the darkness and tyranny of capitalism into the light and justice of Islam."
The central tenet of Islam, proclaimed loud and clear for all to hear.
-CIVILUS DEFENDUS - Our leaders betray us with willful blindness and deafness.
We must find a way to hold them accountable. Voting is a slow process. Tea Parties were ignored by the media, we preach to the choir here. We are appalled by what we hear, what we have come to know. My vision is to galvanize Congress with the words of great ones who know and for them to respond to protect and defend. I fear my vision is fantasy.
GYMGAL said - (quoting article) "In principle, Jihad is an offensive Jihad, which was instated in order to spread Islam throughout the world."
There we are folks. Straight from the horse's (ass) mouth.
Have no doubt.
POETCOMIC said - Islam has already been far more successful than Hitler ever was with his 'Blitzkrieg' military conquest of Europe.
The worldwide creep of Jihad and sharia have been far more wounding and deeply dangerous to civilization than Hitler's flamboyant conquests.
GMCCAL said - "Will this be covered by any of the MSM? Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, Sky News, any newspapers or magazines?
Not a chance."
END OF FIRST PART OF THREAD.
Part two of Dumbledoresarmy's record of the original comments thread for this article.
WELLINGTON said - I must say it is refreshing to get honesty from a Muslim rather than obfuscations from Muslims to the effect that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance, all cuddly and fuzzy warm like.
Islam is the enemy of Western Civilization and the West is the enemy of Islam.
No compatibility. War to the death. One will be put on the trash heap of history and the other will survive. As Undaunted put it concisely above, "Bring it bitches." It's not the fight that those who love freedom should mind. It's the lack of clarity that should be objected to.
-CIVILUSDEFENDUS said - A new cold war? A virtual wall (physical in places) of separation, with lightning strikes and large ka-booms a consequence of non-compliance? We must either tease out the islamist in the West or ensure they are fully Westernized and reject jihad (har har), or exile them. We must trade - they need our food and technology, we need their oil for now - we should draw up plans to separate. Each side could proudly claim: SEPARATE and NOT EQUAL.
-GRAVENIMAGE said - Unfortunately, Islam does not want to be contained--they want to bring us "the light" of Islam, by force.
The West has beaten Islam back several times before--at Poiters, at Vienna, on the Mediterranean sea--it must do so again, or suffer the fate of the Infidel lands violently subsumed into the darkness of Dar-al-Islam over the long centuries.
-SORROW said to GRAVENIMAGE - Once again, it is a totalitarian ideology that will never rest until all of its peceived opposition, internal and external, are neutralized or liquidated. Also, even when such an ideology achieves full control, it is not finshed yet. It will begin to look for ideological variances(whether they exist or not), and seek to smash them.
-BASEBALLMAVEN said to SORROW - So true, Sorrow, and unfortunately, by not having the will to believe it and act on it, our western leaders are just giving in and giving up and letting the islamists win.
-SORROW said to WELLINGTON - (quoting article) "The West has directed its arrows intensively against the Jihad, because it realized how dangerous Jihad is to Western civilization and culture. "
It is basically the complaint of the bear who resents the fact that the deer does not want to be killed and eaten.
JETCAL said - I can't believe that people would fall for the comments by this "misunderstander" of Islam. Apparently all the time spent on JW has been misspent.
It's really about "....the occupation of our countries by the infidel countries –".
(Which appears to mean every country in the world.)
MACKIE said - Of course groups like Hizb Al-Tahrir revered the aspirations of Hitler, admired his book Mein Kampf and whole heartedly believe everything written in the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
The Quran's Jihad Doctrine reflects the same driving force as did the third Reich with the exception that it all comes disguised as a religion, thus are ignorant appeasing dhimmi behavior becomes our Trojan Horse.
YANKEL said - Offensive Jihad?
Uh huh...everything about jihad is offensive. I would have to agree.
Come to think of it, everything about islam is offensive.
MADMADMADWORLD said (quoting) "The West has distorted Jihad, presenting it as a blatant attack against people, by shedding their blood, subjugating them, oppressing them, plundering their resources, and so on. It has distorted the true meaning of Jihad."
So, is there another name for blatant attacks against people, by shedding their blood, subjugating them, oppressing them, plundering their resources?
-TANSTAAFL replied - Islam?"
END OF SECOND PART OF THREAD AS RECORDED.
Part three of Dumbledoresarmy's record of the original comments thread for this article.
HESPERADO said - (quoting) "It is sad that some Muslims have clung to the West and been influenced by its culture. Such people went as far as to repeat the claims of many Orientalists – that Jihad is a defensive war only, and that there is no truth in what is being spread about offensive Jihad or offensive war. Thus, they aligned themselves with Western culture. Worse are those who bleat like the enemies of Islam, and consider Jihad to be aggression and terrorism." -- Salah Al-Din 'Adhadhda, member of the press bureau of Hizb Al-Tahrir
I.e., what Adhadhda is doing here is ostensibly distancing himself, as Bad Cop, from the Good Cops, to keep the pretense going of their disagreement --
for the tactic of the Good Cop/Bad Cop only works insofar as the gullible people being duped by it continue to think the Good Cops and the Bad Cops are not working together.
ABU LAHAB said (quoting) - Muhammad Ibrahim - 'It is sad that some Muslims have clung to the West.....'
I think we are more upset that we are infested with vermmin than you are, Ibrahim.
DADCITO said -The key to this article is in the first two sentences:
"An American branch of this group met recently in Chicago. No one seemed to mind."
If this does not change, stick a fork in us, because we are done.
The people I work with tease me about my disdain for everything associated with Islam, but I can see them starting to move toward agreement, so I will keep preaching and I encourage everyone here to not be shy about sharing your views with friends, family and coworkers. They can't fire us all!
-BASEBALLMAVEN said - dadcito--ditto--my coworkers and my entire family roll their eyes and write me off as 'islamophobic'-i don't speak out, of course, to the muslim members of the company who work out of another office--there is no point--i tried once to talk to one of the 'moderates' (as they claim to be), but when he started in on Israel, I shut him up...and no more "outreach" from me :-)
RRWEST said - Again and again the west does not believe what it is hearing from Islam and its virulent followers.
If ever there were clearer words spoken about the aims of Islam it is these.
I feel that we have lost the ability to distinguish our enemies from those who are not and from those who are just standing on the sidelines ready to side with whoever wins.
And the leaders of the secularised west also do not understand that the holy war started centuries ago by Mo the thug and his followers has been charged up once more. They do not seem to care that Islam is not like any other religion; it spreads by the sword and seeks to destroy all who oppose it.
Its doctrines and practices more closely resemble those of the Nazis than anything Christianity, Judaism or Buddhism historically ever had. Its focus on purity, the supreme authority of their leaders and their "scriptures" over their followers, and the us vs them mentality that Islam fosters is not the focus of other religions.
May the west, democracy, truth and freedom prevail.
Kafir and proud.
DUMBLEDORESARMY said - "The light and justice of Islam".
Typical Orwellian Islamspeak.
The so-called 'light' of Islam is what every other halfway sane human culture on the planet calls 'darkness'. The 'justice' of Islam is shari'a - which, as Nonie Darwish puts it, is "a dictator's dream handed to him by allah".
Matthew 6: 23 - "But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"
ICESTAR said - How refreshing to see a Muslim speak the truth. His words need to be printed in quotes and handed out at the next Tea Party. That is one sure way to get this info out to the general public. The MSM won't do it.
I am sorely tempted to print it out and take it to the next Interfaith Dialogue here.
JOEBLOUGH said (quoting) -' "In principle, Jihad is an offensive Jihad, which was instated in order to spread Islam throughout the world."
- Muhammad Ibrahim, member of the advisory council of Hizb Al-Tahrir in Lebanon
Cool.
Now I have a popular mohammedan authority to quote. And a nice concise quote it is, too."
END OF MY RECORD OF COMMENTS THREAD FOR THIS ARTICLE - dda.