"The rattan cane to be used on Kartika would be lighter than the one used on men, and its purpose was to 'educate' rather than punish."
A moderate caning in modern, moderate Malaysia. An "educational" one, to boot. The ability of Sharia's apologists to outdo Orwell himself never ceases to amaze. "Muslim model becomes first woman in Malaysia to be caned after being caught drinking a beer," from the Daily Mail, August 19 (thanks to all who sent this in):
A Muslim part-time model will become the first woman to be caned in Malaysia after pleading guilty to drinking beer, a prosecutor said today.
An Islamic court ordered that Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, 32, be lashed six times with a rattan cane after she was caught drinking alcohol in a raid on a hotel night club in eastern Pahang state last year.
Prosecutor Saiful Idham Sahimi said Kartika will be the first woman to be caned under Islamic law after she chose not to appeal the sentence.
He said: 'This is the first case in Malaysia. ... It is a good punishment because under Islamic law a person who drinks commits a serious offense.'
Yesterday the court set a one-week period starting next Monday for the sentence to be carried out in a woman's prison, Saiful said. Prison authorities will decide when to cane her during that period.
He said Kartika will remain in prison during that time and will be released 'as soon as possible' after the caning is carried out.
Saiful said the rattan cane to be used on Kartika would be lighter than the one used on men, and its purpose was to 'educate' rather than punish.
Caning, administered on the buttocks, breaks the skin and leaves permanent scars. Kartika said earlier that she wanted authorities to cane her as soon as possible so she can resume her life with her husband and children.
Some politicians and women's rights activists have criticized the penalty as too harsh.
Muslims, who make up about two-thirds of Malaysia's 28 million people, are governed by Islamic courts in all civilian and Islamic matters.
Most alcohol offenders are fined, but the crime also carries a three-year prison term and caning.
And the muslim apologists are trying to convince the rest of the world that malaysia is a country with a moderate form of islam. Yeah right caning a woman for drinking a beer that's real 'moderate'. This is one more example that there is no such thing as a moderate islam. Moderate islam is just as real as pink flying horses.
Idiotic. Barbaric. Control-freak stuff. Orwellian indeed. Yep, it's Islam again.
I don't know, Malaysia is sounding pretty whimpy here for a mohammedan society. In a real culture that truly follows the profit (on all fours) she would have already been gang raped in prison.
Rammer - one beer and they are seeing pink flying horses!
In Africa they see elephants like the rest of us.
Will Americans be banned from liquor, wine, or beer, because our Islam friendly president want to appease Islam. Appease the devil allah in quran 3:54.
iN mOSES lAW THEY WERE TOLD TO MAKE LIQUOR, BEER AND WINE AND DRINK BEFORE THEIR GOD AND SAY THANK YOU. The same Law that said no pig said drink liquor and sing and dance and make a joyful noise. Muhammad couldnt read so he never read that law.
Muhammad was obviously not a fan of the sauce. Otherwise, there would have surely been a convenient "revelation" to him that allowed him to transgress on Allah's will more than other Muslims if he wanted to tip a few, just like the rules of marriage and war spoils are tailored to suit him far more than any other of his brethren.
That is also why Muslim males love Muhammad so much. That is why every third or so Muslim male biorn today is named after him. They get to misbehave just like him at the expense of all others with the exception of fellow Muslim males. Only Muhammad enjoyed the latter privilage.
imagine being punished for an infraction of a law that should never be enforced
awake, you just projected your own self loathing onto others. The pathetic reasoning you projected is from you and you only. Islam brought peace and honor to a society in Pagan Arabia...you are too bigoted to see what was and existed prior to the advent of Mohammad and then what was left behind in the revelation and the sunnah...
I do not think that the Bible has anything in it that against beer.
By the by Abdullahmikey, how many people were killed while "Islam brought peace and honor to a society in Pagan Arabia"?
A ballpark figure is fine.
Posted by some non-thinker above......"awake, you just projected your own self loathing onto others. The pathetic reasoning you projected is from you and you only. Islam brought peace and honor to a society in Pagan Arabia...you are too bigoted to see what was and existed prior to the advent of Mohammad and then what was left behind in the revelation and the sunnah...
Posted by: AbdullahMikail [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 19, 2009 10:43 AM"...................Please name me any pagan god or object of worship in pre-pislamic Arabia that even comes close to the abject wickedness of the al'/mo' duet. No my enemy, they were much better off as pagans. They even kick molech and baals asses as far as fiendish wickedness goes and are in effect satan's finest refined work to date.
Posted by some non-thinker above......"awake, you just projected your own self loathing onto others. The pathetic reasoning you projected is from you and you only. Islam brought peace and honor to a society in Pagan Arabia...you are too bigoted to see what was and existed prior to the advent of Mohammad and then what was left behind in the revelation and the sunnah...
Posted by: AbdullahMikail [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 19, 2009 10:43 AM"...................Please name me any pagan god or object of worship in pre-pislamic Arabia that even comes close to the abject wickedness of the al'/mo' duet. No my enemy, they were much better off as pagans. mo' and al' even kick molech and baals asses as far as fiendish wickedness goes and are in effect satan's finest refined work to date.
Oh,what a suprise,AM is still a clown.
Keep it up,son,and we'll be bringin' some "peace and honor" to your "society".
Except we wont pad it with invisible ghosties
and dumb ceremony.
We'll just push the launch button.
Your deflections from the article have become
boring.
I guess if Awake wasn't full of "self-loathing" and "pathetic reasoning" he (and the rest of us) would realize that caning people for drinking beer is a GOOD thing. /sarc off
Projection?
Spoils of War:
Q[8:41] You should know that if you gain any spoils in war, one-fifth shall go to GOD and the messenger, to be given to the relatives, the orphans, the poor, and the traveling alien. You will do this if you believe in GOD and in what we revealed to our servant on the day of decision, the day the two armies clashed. GOD is Omnipotent.
Marriage Laws:
Q[33:50] O prophet, we made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their due dowry, or what you already have, as granted to you by GOD. Also lawful for you in marriage are the daughters of your father's brothers, the daughters of your father's sisters, the daughters of your mother's brothers, the daughters of your mother's sisters, who have emigrated with you. Also, if a believing woman gave herself to the prophet - by forfeiting the dowry - the prophet may marry her without a dowry, if he so wishes. However, her forfeiting of the dowry applies only to the prophet, and not to the other believers. We have already decreed their rights in regard to their spouses or what they already have. This is to spare you any embarrassment. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
Projection? Bigoted? Hardly.
This is the truth as "revealed" in that infallible book of yours. Special provisions for Muhammad alone for war booty rations. Special provisions for Muhammad alone to the maximum number of wives permitted.
...Since I and so many others here believe that Islam is nothing more than one big bloody con by Muhammad, then logically Muhammad was not fond of alcohol, for if he was, a special provision probably would have been "revealed" to him in this fairy tale as well. Also, if this Allah clown does exist, then I prefer the eternal hellfire.
Next you'll tell me that stating that Muhammad is not that popular a name in the Muslim community, and that stating so is projection as well.
Grab a clue, boy! You've been lingering in the abyss for far too long.
"Islam brought peace and honor to a society in Pagan Arabia...you are too bigoted to see what was and existed prior to the advent of Mohammad and then what was left behind in the revelation and the sunnah..."
Yes, yes, I and everybody else does and rightfully should long for a global return to a society created by a mudering, raping desert warlord in 7th century Arabia.
Good times, indeed.
There are many Muslim Malaysian men who drink. Why are they not being caned too?
"Islam brought peace and honor to a society in Pagan Arabia"
And it brought death and destruction to all surrounding civilization. Countless cultures and works of antiquity were destroyed in the name of Islam. It never stopped. Remember ancient buddha statues destroyed by the Taliban just a few short years ago, with the koran as their justification.
When god told Moses no pork he told him that Jews could drink liquor the intoxicating kind Deut 32:14. Jews were told to drink real wine not juice. Isa 1:22. The real god made wine and said just dont over drink like he said dont overeat. we must eat and wine is good for taste, and sickness. Science even says wine helps illnesses.
Tilly and others:
Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine (John 2). Apart from the banning of wine for people under a Nazirite vow (Numbers 6:1-4) and an injunction against drunkenness rather than wine itself in Ephesians, the Old and New Testaments have nothing against wine.
The punishment is indeed barbaric and inhuman.
However, we should not forget that the US used Judicial corporal punishment as late of 1952 in Delaware. Condemned as barbaric and made illegal as early as 1794 in Pennsylvania, Delaware stubbornly clung to this form of punishment until the last public whipping in 1952 and its final removal from the statutes in 1972.
Only 76 years ago Americans could be punished for drinking beer. Punishment for just drinking alkohol was a fine but production and distribution could land the perpetrator in jail for up to 5 years.
Prohibition, also known as The Noble Experiment, is the period from 1919 to 1933, during which the sale, manufacture, and transportation of alcohol for consumption were banned nationally as mandated in the Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Prohibition was an important force in state and local politics from the 1840s through the 1930s. The political forces involved were ethnoreligious in character, as demonstrated by numerous historical studies. Prohibition was demanded by the "dries" — primarily pietistic Protestant denominations, especially the Methodists, Northern Baptists, Southern Baptists, Presbyterians, Disciples of Christ, Congregationalists, Quakers, and Scandinavian Lutherans. They identified saloons as politically corrupt and drinking as a personal sin. They were opposed by the "wets" — primarily liturgical Protestants (Episcopalians, German Lutherans) and Roman Catholics, who denounced the idea that the government should define morality. The "progressives" believed that it would improve society and the Ku Klux Klan strongly supported its strict enforcement as generally did women, southerners, those living in rural areas and African-Americans.
Democraties can make stupid and harmful laws to "improve the morallity" but when the negative consequences becomes clear the mistakes can be corrected by changing the laws. Not so ín the Sharia system. Here there is no possibility for moral improvement because no man can change the commands of God. Islan remains strung in barbaric inhuman and despectable acts while the dynamic secular democratic world slowly moves on and improves morally.
Ah, the assclowns are pounding the pavent again, like a pair of sticky shoes....
"Islam brought peace and honor to a society in Pagan Arabia" ...assclown #1
OMGawd! ...I can't stop laughing at that BS. In the end, Muhammad showed everyone his true colors, proving that he was completely VOID of peace and honor -- therefore so is Islam and it's adherents.
"Keep it up,son,and we'll be bringin' some "peace and honor" to your "society"."
Assclown #2 just proved my point.
....STINKY shoes...
Ex-Muslims regarding alcohol and drinking.
It appears that Mohammed himself enjoyed the "devil's brew."
"Islam brought peace and honor to a society in Pagan Arabia...you are too bigoted to see what was and existed prior to the advent of Mohammad and then what was left behind in the revelation and the sunnah..."
After;
A desert world filled with bodys of the slain, another 90+ added today from the teachings of the "Prince of this world" Allah.
Truth.
"Drink to me, drink to my health, you know I can't drink anymore"- P.M.
Jew_Lover, your reference to the "faith freedom" page is hilarious! They actually wrote "in context"... I couldn't believe it! That was too funny...what do we learn from their references supposedly that prove alcohol consumption (as they lie) by the Prophet?
Muslim 3753 (pertaining to the renting of land) – not even about alcohol! : )
Muslim 451 – concerning ablution, prayer, and the reward of heaven – not even about alcohol! : )
Muslim 3721 – dealing with riba in respect to deficient property and rulings on that – not even about alcohol! : )
And their story about angels drinking? Faith Freedom.org, rational people beware… it is the realm of idiots.
If you knew just a little about what you were talking about before you wrote it down you’d look like less of an idiot.
"It is a good punishment because under Islamic law a person who drinks commits a serious offense"
How ironic that Islamic law is suppose to stand against "serious offenses", when Islam & Islamic law offers one colossal serious offense after another against Humanity! ...and one can hardly keep track of the ironies and offenses: 1,2,3...900,901,902...4000,4001...yep, I've lost count.
AbdullahMikail
"Islam brought peace and honor to a society in Pagan Arabia"
The jews and christians living there probably saw it differently.. And Pagan Arabia? You make it sound like a bad thing. Son, we wouldn't be nothin' without our pagan pasts. --i.e. you don't get a scotsman without the salty celt part- And I think 'imposed Islam' rather than 'brought Islam' makes more sense.
And Mohammad really messed up the man/woman thing. In pagan societies women are weaker, but not less EQUAL. It's not perfect but it's alot. You guys gave that away. It makes for an uphill battle when you start talking about peace and honor, and all that.
Angels dont drink or eat. Humans do that. Bible said no sex is in heaven Matt 22:30. Unlike allah, sex was made for humans. angels are created not from sex but creation.
Abdullahmikail how sick you still are. God made grape to eat and make wine and juice and enjoy. Noah drank wine. Jesus made the best wine.
Muhammad made a law against wine so Muslims could go out and kill. If they were drunk they wouldnt go kill other people. Arabia was not strewn with dead bodies untill allah the DEVIL sura 3:54 said so. Allah was a nicer god before Muhammad.
Thank you very much for the compliment AbdullahMikail:).
Yes, FaithFreedom.org is a site that many Muslims despise as it's a site written about Islam from ex-Muslims' perspective.
Please don't worry, with this new system that Mr. Spencer, Marisol, and others have so diligently worked on, I will be able to provide MANY more links and information to help the world truly understand Islam.
I absolutely LOVE the one about:
Also, Muslims know that there is naturally-occurring alcohol in fruits and fruit juices, yes?
"...it is the realm of idiots" ...indeed, now go sit in the corner and hold up a mirror (dunce cap optional).
Jew lover,
Yes, context isn't everything but it ranks up there with oxygen. 23 years the Quran was revealed...according to you it was handed out pre-printed? : )
Prohibitions came down just as many other things did, in stages. If you know the context you know the stages of the revelation and what they meant and when they menat it and what it still means today or if its meaning was time sensetive to just that time...you referred to one such verse, at that time when it was revealed it was the first move away from alcohol that was commanded on the believers.
It is cute, however, that I cautioned you to know what you were writing about so as not to appear as an idiot...and you went right ahead and did it anyway... : )
And the prohibition is against "intoxicants" kahmr, and that covers all substances that bring about intoxicatoin, but yes, at the time, the primary one was booze.
Please, do post as many references as you like... it may be fun... kind of like "duck shoot" only you will be tossing out of context quotes and unintelligble gibberish in the guise of research...and then I can blow them out of the proverbial sky.
Pull!!!
: )
"...indeed, now go sit in the corner and hold up a mirror (dunce cap optional)."
Awwww... Champ attempts humor. Cute....
gordo, (from aeons passed FPM fame?)
Egad man! I canna believe ya wrote it!
"In pagan societies women are weaker, but not less EQUAL."
In the Pagan society we are discussing women were less than property...daughters were buried alive... women who were not noble were treated like cattle and had no rights.... no inheritence... nothing... they were slaves in every degrading sense of the word.
Lets pull the focus down to the subject at hand, ay, laddie?
: )
Jew Lover,
Like an old LP with a big ugly scratch in it... you keep spinning it the way you like...
FFfffft...Ffffft..Ffffft...
...unable to move on through the rest of the revelation where you arrive at the absolute prohibition of alcohol... full stop.
Jew Lover,
Like an old LP with a big ugly scratch in it... you keep spinning it the way you like...
FFfffft...Ffffft..Ffffft...
...unable to move on through the rest of the revelation where you arrive at the absolute prohibition of alcohol... full stop.
AbdullahMikail,
Jesus, a Jew, loves you.
Jew_Lover does too.
Only a complete moron gives a shit about what the death prophet, Muhammad, had to say. Gee, is there an Islamic law against being DRUNK on evil?
Jew Lover,
And I have love for you as well...yes, Jesus will know me when he meets me, and I will greet him as he greets me.
I harbor no ill will towards you at all...maybe just once you should ask someone who knows better what a verse means, what the context of a hadith is, and thus what it really means before projecting someone else's misunderstanding.
We have the best relations between faiths where I live...it is a shame that you will probably never experience it here with us.
Shaloam
Abdullah
Abdullah. Your God says to kill me. My God says to pardon you.
Ladies and gentlemen
One must assume that if Abdullah Mikail were there in Malaysia he would be only too happy to take up the cane and whack this woman...on the buttocks.
For the heinous *sin* of drinking... a glass of beer.
Kinky, eh?
Or if he weren't actually doing the whipping, he would be right there to watch reaaall close and enjoy that sight of pain and blood and humiliation.
More kinky.
Commanding 'right' (anything Mohammed thought was OK - like polygamy, sex with nine-year-olds, forced marriage, keeping slaves, covering women up in sacks) and forbidding wrong (anything Mohammed thought was baaad - like music and alcoholic drinks and statues and pictures of living beings and pet dogs ).
Abdullah Mikail has absolutely no idea what a contemptible spectacle he is making of himself, by justifying and excusing the cruel beating of a woman who has merely drunk a glass of beer.
AbdullahMikail,
"In pagan societies women are weaker, but not less EQUAL."
Ok I might've over emphasized the "equal" part. It's true, men have been dogs everywhere. But generally at the spiritual level pagan societies see the male/female dynamic everywhere as equal co-creators.(in all it's earthy splendor)
I don't see where Islam celebrates women, or anything like it. You know all that fancy stuff they like.
And If you ask me, the pagan Cicrle of life starts to look pretty good after "God's will" all day everyday.
"from FPM fame?" nope not me
Sorry OT...but this is in response to AM...
If you are a Muslim, then please understand that as an evangelical Christian I do love you, but we do not love the same God. Having said that, we do share the same problem: sin.
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me", John 14:6; so if you really believe that Jesus is Lord, then take His words seriously, because He said that there is NO other way to heaven.
If not, then Jesus will have this to say to you:
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say unto me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23.
Hey, you either believe that Jesus is Lord, or you think that he was a lunatic. I would also suggest that anyone who promotes Islam as the Way is the one whom Jesus was referring to: as one "that works iniquity"; so don't delude yourself into thinking that you're good with God.
Champ I am not a Christian but Islam says I must die. At least if they dont kill you you can pay to live.
Jesus was the last prophet we need so all prophets after jesus are false and allah is the devil according to quran 3:54 right mikhail
Mohammad approved of the drinking of booze and the eating ofr pork under duress.
The woman should have said she was drinking beer as part of her jihad to lure infidel dogs into converting to Islam.
But then, she's the amateur part of the cult and doesn't have the wits to avoid its cruelties.
The real Islamo-psychos like Mohammad Atta know how to play the game more effectively.
Drink, whore, eat non-halal foods, ~then kill the suckered dirty kuffars... so that you can go to Paradise ...where you then drink, whore and eat non-halal foods forever.
This whole pathetic cult is a demented cartoon of a real religion.
Nakal, well stated. The only thing I would add is that starting in the 1980's Saudi and even Iranian funded Imams and Clerics backed by petro-dollars started popping up in Malaysia missionizing Malaysians. Thus the older generations are less Islamic while the youth are increasingly Islamicized.
Not that I'm blaming the Saudi's and Iranians for everything, the problems with the Islamic rigged constitution were there long before then. The Saudi's and Mahathir only accelerated the problems towards their final conclusion-a Islamic state supported by Sharia law that discriminates against all non-muslims.
I'm not sure how and when it work out but I do expect more protests by the Hindu and Chinese minorities in vain. At one point this conflict will either rise to open violence or we'll see millions of non-musims flee for Singapore, Thailand, etc.
Indonesia is probably on the same trajectory, sadly.
Just got back and noticed no answer to my challenge from the satan worshipers, so I'll repost it....................":Posted by some non-thinker above......"awake, you just projected your own self loathing onto others. The pathetic reasoning you projected is from you and you only. Islam brought peace and honor to a society in Pagan Arabia...you are too bigoted to see what was and existed prior to the advent of Mohammad and then what was left behind in the revelation and the sunnah...
Posted by: AbdullahMikail [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 19, 2009 10:43 AM"...................Please name me any pagan god or object of worship in pre-pislamic Arabia that even comes close to the abject wickedness of the al'/mo' duet. No my enemy, they were much better off as pagans. mo' and al' even kick molech and baals asses as far as fiendish wickedness goes and are in effect satan's finest refined work to date.
Posted by: CJK [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 19, 2009 11:12 AM"............I'm waiting shit=ria fu#ks
Just to clarify shit-ria chumps......satans finest, refined work to date.
I'll leave you SOB's with a quote from the prophet/king David:..Psalm139:21,22.."Do not I hate them O Lord, that hate thee? and am I not grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. ...That's right you mother fu#ken satan worshipers. I absolutely hate you and your murderous, violent, fiendish, diabolic, stinking bullshit religion....Yeah I'm pissed...especially when I see the innocent time after time victimized by you in the name of your despicable devilish doctrine which worships a pedophile pirate.
Fu#k you!
Like I previously stated, Muhammad tolerated others to booze in the earlier days of Islam, but he was not particularly fond himself. If he had been, it would be likely that the scripture was "revealed" to him to contain a special provision to him alone, regarding alcohol consumption, as is evident in other areas like marriage and war spoils that was oddly, not even attempted to be refuted by certain commenters here.
Remember what Aisha cleverly commented to Muhammad after she was informed of the revelation of 33:51?
"It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire!"
Odd, that Jesus was a prophet of God, and an example of adhering to God's laws better than any other, yet we are supposed to believe that subsequently in Islam, this same "god" codified loopholes around obeying his laws for only one, his "greatest prophet" as revealed to, yep you guessed it, the greatest prophet himself?
Hogwash.
No wonder Muslim males will fight to the death to hold on to this self-actualizing and self-empowering fairy tale of theirs.
gordo,
Not of FPM fame? Too bad, he was a scholar, a gentleman, and yet had a savage wit, and was very good with the hard questions...but he was fair...unlike most here...just angry people throwing stones...and mostly lacking in any real understanding about what they are upset by, Islam.
You should study the case of the women in Pagan Arab society before and after the revelatoin of the Quran. An honest look at their condition and the rights they were afforded by the Quran is astonishing...they were given rights that women in this ocuntry didn't have until early in the 20th century.
Peace
Abdullah
It's never been legal to screw little girls in the USA your pedophile worshiper.
"Odd, that Jesus was a prophet of God, and an example of adhering to God's laws better than any other, yet we are supposed to believe that subsequently in Islam, this same "god" codified loopholes around obeying his laws for only one, his "greatest prophet" as revealed to, yep you guessed it, the greatest prophet himself?"
Jesus was more than a prophet. Jesus is God!
Some people claim to believe that Jesus was a "good prophet", but they deny that Jesus is God. If that is you, I would like to encourage you to consider some of these Bible verses:
http://bugman123.com/Bible/JesusIsGod.html
Only a complete moron gives a shit about what the death prophet, Muhammad, had to say. Gee, is there an Islamic law against being DRUNK on evil?
Posted by: champ [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 19, 2009 2:26 PM
In islam, evil is good but from a rational perspective, all muslims are wasted on evil! What a shame they can't distinguish one from the other. Muslims don't need any help getting intoxicated; they were born drunk and psychotic.
women in the pre-islamic times were considered nothing but property. daughters wre buried alive on their birth, women had no right of inheritence, when a man died his son inherited all his wives, a man could marry as many times he wished, step mothers could be made legal wives.
Islam gave women a status they deserved. women were considered equal to men. they were given a right to inheritence, education, marry whoever they chose to and many other rights that were unheard of in other cultures at that time.
As for the western culture, women werent even considered as human being untill the start of the 20th century!!!
Under the common law of England, an unmarried woman could own property, make a contract, or sue and be sued. But a married woman, defined as being one with her husband, gave up her name, and virtually all her property came under her husband's control.
During the early history of the United States, a man virtually owned his wife and children as he did his material possessions. If a poor man chose to send his children to the poorhouse, the mother was legally defenseless to object. Some communities, however, modified the common law to allow women to act as lawyers in the courts, to sue for property, and to own property in their own names IF THEIR HUSBANDS AGREED. In divorce law, generally the divorced husband kept legal control of both children and property leaving he poor woman penniless on the street.
Until well into the 20th century, women in Western European countries lived under many of the same legal disabilities as women in the United States. For example, until 1935, married women in England did not have the full right to own property and to enter into contracts on a par with unmarried women. Only after 1920 was legislation passed to provide working women with employment opportunities and pay equal to men. Not until the early 1960s was a law passed that equalized pay scales for men and women in the British civil service.
if a women killed her husband, she was accused of homicide. but if a man killed his wife it was termed as "passion shooting" and was perfectly legal.
Hence islam is 13 centurys ahead of the west in giving women their legal rights
women in the pre-islamic times were considered nothing but property. daughters wre buried alive on their birth, women had no right of inheritence, when a man died his son inherited all his wives, a man could marry as many times he wished, step mothers could be made legal wives.
Islam gave women a status they deserved. women were considered equal to men. they were given a right to inheritence, education, marry whoever they chose to and many other rights that were unheard of in other cultures at that time.
As for the western culture, women werent even considered as human being untill the start of the 20th century!!!
Under the common law of England, an unmarried woman could own property, make a contract, or sue and be sued. But a married woman, defined as being one with her husband, gave up her name, and virtually all her property came under her husband's control.
During the early history of the United States, a man virtually owned his wife and children as he did his material possessions. If a poor man chose to send his children to the poorhouse, the mother was legally defenseless to object. Some communities, however, modified the common law to allow women to act as lawyers in the courts, to sue for property, and to own property in their own names IF THEIR HUSBANDS AGREED. In divorce law, generally the divorced husband kept legal control of both children and property leaving he poor woman penniless on the street.
Until well into the 20th century, women in Western European countries lived under many of the same legal disabilities as women in the United States. For example, until 1935, married women in England did not have the full right to own property and to enter into contracts on a par with unmarried women. Only after 1920 was legislation passed to provide working women with employment opportunities and pay equal to men. Not until the early 1960s was a law passed that equalized pay scales for men and women in the British civil service.
if a women killed her husband, she was accused of homicide. but if a man killed his wife it was termed as "passion shooting" and was perfectly legal.
Hence islam is 13 centuries ahead of the west in giving women their legal rights
Hey Shitza: Despite your bs evedryone here knows that women have always been treated better in the USA than in any mohammedan nation.......IT'S NEVER BEEN LEGAL OR ACCEPTED TO SCREW PRE-PUBESCENT LITTLE GIRLS LIKE MO' DID. End of story
nowhere in Islam is it legal to "screw" pre-pubescent girls and neither is any such thing associated with the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.w).
the marraige laws of Islam donot fix any age for the man or women to marry. If the girl or boy is pre-pubescent, then a marraige is possible under the consent of a legal guardian. But they are not allowed to have sex untill they are fully mature. Plus it is duty of the guardian to financially support the couple untill the man ie the husband cannot do so himself.
If you claim such things are legal in Islam then bring a reference from an authentic book on Islamic Law and shariah.
and as for treatment of women.. again if you think that the west has treated the women better, prove it!
Hence islam is 13 centurys ahead of the west in giving women their legal rights
Posted by: shizza
HHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHAAAA!!!...WHATTA MAROON!!
You're either lying, or you have shit 4 brains. Probably both.
truth is the truth whether you accept it or not. If you relly think i am lying than prove it by logic and reasoning.
truth is the truth whether you accept it or not. If you relly think i am lying than prove it by logic and reasoning.
Observe shizza, denying flat-out that Islam permits the marriage of adult men to prepubescent and barely-pubescent girls, and the full sexual use of such girls, by their 'husbands'.
I assume shizza thinks we don't know about the Quranic verse that takes it for granted that a girl who has not yet attained menarche, may be divorced, and that after the divorce she must observe a statutory 'waiting period' in order to make sure she was not *pregnant* at the time of the divorce. You don't get pregnant without having had intercourse; so this verse clearly implies that the girl's husband has married the girl, had sex with her, and then divorced her...all before she even had her first period.
News reports regularly come out of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia (to name just a few) describing the shockingly high prevalence of such marriages in the Muslim world; other news reports describe the fierce resistance - from pious Muslims and from Muslim 'clerics' - that has been encountered (in Mali and in sharia-ised states in northern Nigeria, for example) by those who attempt to bring in legislation to *raise* the minimum marriageable age, for girls, to something sensible, like 16 or 17 or 18.
And if shizza wants to pretend that the countries I have described are not practising 'real' Islam, I call BS. That argument is as silly as the old argument that the communists used to make, that we oughtn't to judge communism/ marxism by what was happening in the USSR, Communist China, or Communist Vietnam and Cuba, because they weren't practising 'real' communism.
Re. the Quranic assumption that a girl who has not yet menstruated may be married, sexually used, and divorced:
"If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who have ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period is three months. *And let the same be the waiting period of those who have not yet menstruated*."
Quran Surah 65 - 'Divorce', verse 4.