You be the judge
Again, what does anyone expect Rifqa Bary's parents to say? "Yes, please send her home so we can chop her into little pieces"?
"Muslim Parents Deny Threatening Daughter With Honor Killing Over Christianity: Statement From Lawyer Indicates Rifqa Bary's Parents Blame Pastors for Creating Story," by Sarah Netter for ABC News, August 13 (thanks to James):
The Muslim parents of an Ohio teenager who fled to Florida fearing an "honor killing" for converting to Christianity today blamed their daughter's fears on the husband and wife pastors who took their daughter in and didn't report her presence for more than two weeks."Neither Mr. or Mrs. Bary have ever threatened the life of their daughter, and patiently await their daughter's safe return," Craig McCarthy, a lawyer for Mohamed Bary and his wife, said in a statement issued today to "Good Morning America."
Fathima Rifqa Bary, who goes by Rifqa, left home in New Albany, Ohio, last month and hopped on a bus to Orlando to meet with husband and wife pastors Blake and Beverly Lorenz, who she met through a Facebook prayer group for the couple's non-denominational Global Revolution Church.
The couple have become the 17-year-old girl's biggest allies, saying she has told them that her father threatened to kill her when he found out she had secretly become a Christian.
"To anyone's knowledge, Rifqa never told anyone that she was frightened while living with her parents in Ohio. Those words only came out of her mouth after being missing for two and a half weeks and surfacing in the tight embrace of Mr. Lorenz, who had not promptly reported that the runaway had been in his home," the parents' statement read....
Her brother and friends ought to be able to contradict that, if what she says on the video above is true.
Reposting the comments that were made to this article, when we were using IntDeb.
BASEBALLMAVEN said - How can McCarthy, the attorney, live with himself? He's aiding and abetting. I doubt the brothers will confirm Rifqa's story because they, too, will be in trouble if they admit it. If the authorities want to put her into a different home than the pastor's, that's ok, but they need to keep her from her father's clutches.
GIMMEABREAK said - I am just a bit confused. She has to know her parent's views on this. Why not wait till the age of 18, leave home and then covert.
-HEARTOFALIONESS said - Because even at the age of 18, she would STILL not be safe. No matter what her age, her decision to leave Islam carries a mandatory death sentence.
-DOUGHNUTS said - Also, she had already converted and talked about it on Facebook. That's how this mess got started.
-GIMMEABREAK said - I know that it is never acceptable to leave islam, but at 18 she could cut out without the law getting involved looking to send her back home.
-POINTREYES said - Because she just turned 17. She won't live to be 18.
CHAMP said - The fact that Rifqa ran away from home and fled to Florida supports her testimony, so IMO, she is definitely telling the truth; and you can hear the absolute terror in her voice as she recounts the threat that her father made. Also, note that she needed to be comforted while being interviewed, because retelling her story must have been extremely traumatic.
Things are completely Wacky when the victim is treated either like a crazy person, a liar, or worse, a criminal themself. I should know, because I was faced with a similar situation where my life was threatened, and the burden of proof concerning the threat was placed on ME, not the person making the threat. Victims of threats have it really rough, and I will continue to pray that she remain strong, because she has a tough road ahead of her. Oftentimes it seems that criminals have more rights than victims.
-POINTREYES said - You are so right. Victims are treated as mentally ill. Even after they have been killed the killer is seen as the 'victim' often times.
DDA said - Commenting on 'Rifqa Bary's parents contradict her claim, say they never threatened her life.'
The simplest explanation is that they are LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH.
This affair is exposing an aspect of Islam that is going to make it look very ugly indeed in the eyes of ordinary Americans: the fact that Islam KILLS anyone who tries to leave it. You don't have to become a Christian as Rifqa has done; any other faith, or the profession of atheism, will get you killed just as dead.
So - to protect Islam, to keep the happy mask of fake 'tolerance' on its face just a little longer (until it is strong enough not to have to pretend) - they are LYING.
They are also LYING because they are shamed. Her apostasy reflects, in the Islamic community, on *them*.
-TANSTAAFL said - 'they are LYING THROUGH THEIR TEETH.'
Really, how many Third World Muslims can say that? Especially with Islamic dental care.
DDA said - Commenting on 'Rifqa Bary's parents contradict her claim, say they never threatened her life.'
Memo to any non-Muslim person connected with this case, who may have googled their way in here: you *must* understand that Islam permits Muslims to lie to protect Islam.
Raymond Ibrahim, author of 'The Al-Qaeda Reader' (in which he provided extensive translations of what Al-Qaeda says for its fellow Muslims), wrote an article entitled 'Islam's Doctrines of Deception" for Jane's Islamic Affairs Analyst, 26 September, 2008. In that article he mentioned, among other things, " the authoritative Arabic text Al-Taqiyya fi Al-Islam", which states" ,
“Taqiyya [deception] is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it.
"We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream. … Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era [p. 7; my (Ibrahim's) own translation].”
And the remainder of the comments, from my own archive.
DDA said - Commenting on 'Rifqa Bary's parents contradict her claim, say they never threatened her life.' ; continuing my warning, that *Muslims lie*.
I have posted this passage from Nonie Darwish's speech at Berkeley in October 2007
http://frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=1...
many times on this forum, but I will post it yet again, in hopes non-Muslims who are trying to help Rifqa Bary may read it, and heed it.
"On Arab TV, I once saw a Muslim preacher telling little children that lying is not allowed except under three conditions
"1- *Lying to non-Muslims when it is in the best interest of Islam* {this is the one that matters - dda}.
"2- Lying to Muslims if it will end conflict between them. And 3rd: Lying to one’s wife to improve the relationship.
"Lying thus has become an obligation in international relationships, Muslim relationships and family relationships. Any wonder why Muslims were silent after 9/11?
"Those who expose the lying game are considered traitors.
"By allowing lying, Muslims have created a culture unable to distinguish between lies from truth; truth has become a convoluted game of saving face for the best interest of Islam." END QUOTE
The only Muslim I ever got to know well, was the most accomplished, barefaced, shameless and manipulative liar I have ever met in my life. And time and again at this forum other non-Muslims have shared, from bitter experience, the same revelation - that on many occasions, the Muslims whom they personally knew, lied - lied in the pursuit of personal advantage over others - as simply and continuously as breathing.
We are dealing with people from an honor-shame culture that plays the zero-sum game of 'If I win, YOU HAVE TO LOSE', and in which one says whatever comes to hand, *irrespective of whether it has any connection with objective reality*, to achieve one's ends. In our society that sort of tactic, though practiced quite freely by some, is viewed with revulsion as a species of sociopathy. In the Islamosphere it appears to be the norm, and not to be condemned at all.
-TANSTAAFL said to dda – I have to agree. I [A] full blooded sociopath acts just like a Muslim practicing taquiyya.
CORNSYRUP said - Rifqa Bary can never go home again even if she is not killed by her family. She will treated
as an outcast , a traitor and worse. She became a Christian! We who are Christian
must protect her. Jesus said love each other as I have loved you. She is now one
of u and this America. Protection their is no other option.
CTYANKEE said -" blamed their daughter's fears on the husband and wife pastors who took their daughter in..."
ABC News will promote the slander of fundamentalist Christians and excuse the fundamentalist Muslim parents in this case.
-TANSTAAFL said (sarcasm) - How dare those pastors take a Muslim's property! Infidels! As you know, women are the property of the Muslim who owns them! No pooching by infidels! Turn back the rightfully owned muslimah so her owner can "re-educate" her with the lethal weapon of his choice!
Abdullah Bhullah, the wacky mullah.
BARENAKEDISLAM said - I just hope she can stay away from them until she turns 18. Damn libscum loiyah will try to send her to her death.
NIPPITHON said - Is anyone else around here suspicious of this girl? Her video performance doesn't have me convinced. If she is lying, it will do great harm to the women who seek protection from this type danger.
-WINOCEROS said to Nippithon - All claims must be investigated to determine who is the most credible. I find her to be more credible than her parents and her relatives.
I also find that keeping her apart from her parents at age 17 causes no harm to anyone and could save her life. We do not convict people who have committed crimes, but we do remove children from homes when their lives are threatened. I find her credible.
-HEARTOFALIONESS said - Whether this child is "credible" or not regarding her insistance that her father has threatened to kill her for leaving Islam is not and should not be the focus of our attention.
Rather, the focus should and must be on the fact that Islam mandates the killing of anyone who has the audacity to leave it.
We are treated to the nauseatingly never-ending stories of this barbaric practice on an almost daily basis.
Rifqa most assuredly has reason to appear hysterical and terrified - whether or not her father, mother, or both of them threatened her life for leaving Islam, she still has to remain vigilent of the entire Muslim community, a community with more than a few adherents who would agree completely that her life should be ended.
I'm not surprised that she came off with the reaction that she did - I think it reasonable to believe that ANY child who had that barbaric sword of Damacles hanging over her head would react in much in the same way.
While you may be "suspicious" of this child's reaction and doubt her credibility, there cannot be any doubt of the consequences this child has been exposed to whether by her parent(s) or a member of the savage cult of Islam.
ICESTAR said - The lawyer has a bad case of "willful disbelief". He needs to become educated regarding this subject unless he already knows the truth, which is possible.
I am not willing to see even one Christian martyred on American soil. If Rafiqa needs a place to stay my doors are open.