Toronto jihadist: "I am not a lunatic"

"All right. But are you a thoughtful, devout mujahid who is hell-bent on the destruction of western civilization?"

Classic.

Boo-hoo, boy. Now STFU.

Not a lunatic, eh? ...neither was Muhammad / sarc.

Here's an interesting question: Is an ostensibly rational person who believes in the Islamic call for violent Jihad and acts on it just gullible, stupid, insane, or all of the above? I vote for all.

Yes, you are a lunatic for belonging to this hellish cult called islam. If you were sane, you would have left it by now.

It's great that he's forsworn his right to plead 'Not guilty by reason of insanity' but it does beg the question: Isn't being moslem enough evidence of insanity?

The "huge mistake" was that he got caught.

Among other differences and complexities of mental pathology, we can also recognize two types of lunacy:

1) the lunatic whose lunacy tends to disable him from performing the kind of thinking required for meticulous long-range planning of projects with reference to events and people in the real world

2) the lunatic whose lunacy does not disable him from the kind of thinking required for meticulous long-range planning of projects with reference to events and people in the real world.

Under category #2 we may place various serial killers, fascist dictators, nefarious criminals of various kinds (ranging from Pablo Escovar to Bernie Madoff), and most Muslim terrorists (leaving out, perhaps, the occasional Muslim terrorist who blows himself up prematurely before hitting his target).

So in other words, he says his motives are along the lines of Timothy McVeigh, not Osama bin Laden.

How comforting.

Big piece in the Toronto Star today about all dem refugess fleeing the lawlessness of Somalia and the impending starvation. Not one mention of why the refugee problem is occuring: ilsamoidiots runing it for everyone.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/686490

And of course, this is a plea for Western charitable donations to help save these poor souls. Well, here's an idea. Howabout all that Zakat going to fund the Talibanditos and other jihadists actually go towards helping other muslims, or those displaced by muslim activity. Why does the West always have to clean up their mess.

It's time to draw a line and play the same game. Don't fund charities that help muslims, seems they already have it handled along relgious lines. And of course, charity starts at home. So perhaps if Saad Khalid had been exposed to a little more zakat from his community, he wouldn't of been such an idiot? Dream on.

Again, from the Star: "He asked Superior Court Justice Bruce Durno for a "second chance," explaining that while in jail he has studied Islam and consulted with imams and now understands the errors of his way." Well that just fills me full of confidence. Perhaps seeking a little dhimmi zakat from Durno, seeing as he's so missuderstood and all, or is it the other way around. Oh well, who can keep track of islamo-lies anyway. I doubt Kalid's Faulksian turn around will bear the sweet compassionat fruit he hopes for, at least not the friendly neighbourhood truck bombing kind.

Speaking of lying, U of T student Muhammad-Haroon who suddenly planned to go see some family in Dubai recently faked his own abduction in an odd act to escape responsibility from having stolen a computer from his former summer job employer, IBM. Wack-a-cuckoo wonders never cease.

So, overall, while the leftist MSMs selectively continue to frame the plight of millions without the colourful islamic background, which if reported, would probably break the falling paper sales out of the basement, muslims continue their usery of our social nets and actually believe that if they say they'll be nice little muslim boys (or girls) and have learned their lesson, and could they please go back to their islamic peaceful ways in their foster societies. Well, bully.

That old adage of "Be prepared to do the time if you do the crime", as watered down as that has become through parole, and over burdenned prison systems, is loosing its' effect on those who are radical enough to worry about living after committing the crime.

If Kalid had become apostate, embraced any religion other than islam while encarserated prior to his trial, I'm certain he would have found the peace that comes with taking responsibility for his actions, and asking for forgiveness, rather than the old tired lines such as, "now disavows the use of violence." 'cause islam is all about peace doncha know.

And now, he acknowledges he still holds strong political views, adding he wanted to work with other Muslim youth upon his release to help them express their views peacefully. Yep, that worked out so good the first time around. Go forth young padewans and blow shit up.

And Hesp,
Isn't there a 3rd catagory, the lunatic on the grass, the one too stoned and to full on cookie dough to carry out their lunacy, no wait, that would be Liberal and NDP supporters (knew there had to be reason they're down in the polls).

If the members of the cult of the moon-god Allah are not lunatics noone is.

Saad Khalid is not a lunatic. People who have a foreign policy disagreement with their government quite frequently acquire amonium nitrate and seek the destruction of national monuments and anyone unfortunate enough to be nearby.

I think Saad Khalid needs to face up to his activities, and be placed in an isolated lock-up for 25-30 years without the possibility of parole.

"Khalid said he wanted people to know his true motives: his "disagreement" with Canada's foreign policy, specifically Afghanistan."

he had the option of going to Afghanistan to join the Taliban to blow up Canadians carrying guns....or at least try to...but like most Muslims, he preferred to blow up innocent civilians...

Me thinks the mad Mississauga Muslim is a Mishugener like his mentor Muham-mad.

If members of the mahommedan Cult are lunatics, what name describes best those who destroy their country by inundating it with lunatics?
I think: traitors, but if you have a better one I would like to hear.

Now if we agree that they are traitors, what is our obligation, if any, to do? We can bitch till the cows come home, but that will not change a thing. On the contrary, that will only make the traitors feel they will never be punished and will encourage them to increase their evil efforts. Indeed, if they thought that there is not so small a chance they one day may be tried for treason they would not act as if they were untouchable. And, as it seems to me, untouchable they are.

I hope this guy gets sent to Dorchester and put in a cell with my ex-ol' man.

Thomas_h,

"Now if we agree that they are traitors, what is our obligation, if any, to do? "

A wee problem there -- the "we". Currently, the majority of the "we" throughout the West continues to "respect" Muslims and to bend over backwards to redefine all dangerous Islamic pathology as having nothing to do with Islam. Until we have at least a slim majority who would agree that Islam within the West constitutes treason and Islam in general constitutes ongoing war against us, we will not be able to do more than swat & spray at mosquitos here and there while we ignore the slowly encroaching swamplands all around us.

I have really enjoyed all of these comments and I have to agree with all who've said that "he has to be a lunatic. Otherwise he would have left Islam a long, long time ago".

Islam creates sociopaths in whomever vulnerable person it touches. It carries a new name "Islamopathology" or "Islamic pathology" whatever your choice of terms.

Islamic pathology is merely a reflection of the mentality of the original prophet Muhammad(piss be upon him) who started the whole ball of wax rolling and then it subsided until dug up from its grave and revived by the Ayatollah Khomeini to continue its build-up of blood and body wax as it has managed to overcome every religious, social and political ideology the world over through Muhammads lessons.

Hesperado,
You are saying we can do nothing "Until we have at least a slim majority who would agree that Islam within the West constitutes treason and Islam in general constitutes ongoing war..."

In other words you are saying that we are "not ...able to do more than swat & spray at mosquitos here and there".

If you think so there is nothing else to do I need to ask why are you wasting your time "swatting mosquitos"? And how "swatting mosquitos" may bring about the "slim majority" that agrees on a few things about the nature of Islam. And what exactly are do you suggest needs to be done after that "slim majority" somehow materializes as the result of the "mosquito swatting"?
In view of the exponential growth of the moslem population in the West and seldom and timidly expressed change of perception about islam by the natives that "slim majority" will do nothing but continue slimming.
Look at Sweden, or Norway, Belgium or Holland. I can speak of Sweden and Norway as I live next door (Denmark), have many Swedish contacts, follow Swedish and Norwegian media and visit Sweden frequently. I can tell you that the not-so-slim majority of Swedes know about Islam not less than you. But they are gagged by the all pervasive censorship machine of the State working on multiple level. So, the only thing they do is an occasional "mosquito swatting".
Do you really think they will dare to do more when the moslem population doubles? And double it will in the next decade or two. The Swedish ruling elites do everything to ensure it. It is their life insurance.

Well, perhaps it is different in your country, but it is certainly not evident to me.

Khalid said he wanted people to know his true motives: his "disagreement" with Canada's foreign policy, specifically Afghanistan.

I have many a "disagreement" with my government over foreign policy. I don't see it as license to blow up people in government or anywhere else.
This man isn't a lunatic. He's out and out dangerous. He's a threat to civilized people everywhere. Lock him up and throw away the key. He obviously cannot be trusted with freedom.

Thomas_h,

You are saying we can do nothing "Until we have at least a slim majority who would agree that Islam within the West constitutes treason and Islam in general constitutes ongoing war..."

In other words you are saying that we are "not ...able to do more than swat & spray at mosquitos here and there".

For now, that's all we are doing, and all the mainstream allows us to do. It would be nice if it were otherwise -- it would be nice if mountains were made of sweet chocolate, too.

That doesn't mean we can't continue to do things that may well help to slowly reverse that situation. In free democracies, the slow stillicide of more and more people persuading more and more of their fellow citizens with information has a good chance of working in that regard.

If you think so there is nothing else to do I need to ask why are you wasting your time "swatting mosquitos"?

I'm not engaged in swatting mosquitos nor in supporting those who do (if by "swatting mosquitos" one understands that to be based in misguided frameworks and policies based on ignorance of Islam; one good example of industrious "mosquito swatting" analysts would be the more or less official industry of asymptotic analysis that has a toehold in the mainstream, many of whom are affiliated with and/or support the analysts at Jihadica).

And how "swatting mosquitos" may bring about the "slim majority" that agrees on a few things about the nature of Islam.

I don't think the mosquito-swatting enterprise is going to bring about that slim majority (indeed, I think it tends to serve to perpetuate our inertia towards that evolution). I think the best bet is the continued stillicide which we who are more awake about the problem of Islam will continue to do, in addition to, unfortunately, more and more attacks on us by Muslims over the coming decades.

And what exactly are do you suggest needs to be done after that "slim majority" somehow materializes as the result of the "mosquito swatting"?

The consolidation and crystallization of a Zero Tolerance of Islam (which logically includes all who support Islam), followed logically by total deportation of Muslims from the West.

In view of the exponential growth of the moslem population in the West and seldom and timidly expressed change of perception about islam by the natives that "slim majority" will do nothing but continue slimming.

No: first, we don't have a slim majority yet. We are slowly growing toward that. It is a growth in awareness that will not reverse, but will continue growing. Secondly, as bad as it will get with increased Muslim immigration over the coming decades, the West has the power to take extraordinary, and effective, measures against Muslims. Our problem is not our technical ability. Our problem is our ideological and psychological inability. Once that begins to change and tip over into a majority, it will be lights out for Muslims. It will simply be terribly messier than it would be if we did it now, and will likely be far bloodier as well by that time -- but the fault for that is all the PC MCs who are resisting us now and will continue to resist us in the coming decades, not we who are growing in numbers.

Not a lunatic? You have to be in order to be a Mohamedan!

PMK,
The obvious escapes many when the forrest cannot be see through the trees. When one shifts their energy from debate to violence, the latter being the only recourse of a weak mind, one looses thr right to participate in a democracy. That's why Canada has championed Civil disobedience, before unions and and islamofasist rallies took over the concept.
You're spot on.

There's nothing a Mohammedan won't say when attempting to mitigate the consequences of their lunatic actions. Taqiyya - it's all in the book.

I surely expect this guy to get a lot more than 2 years--if he gets a light sentence by claiming it wasn't "jihad" but a mere disagreement with foreign policy, then things are even more topsy turvy than I thought.

Great revisions of time warps:

If Richard Nixon, that poor butt of history, had emerged from the WH, carrying a sign that read "I am not a lunatic".

Sic transit gloria.

Sadly, we have got a lot of those types up here. If the government tries to do anything about it a good part of the population goes balistic.

Hesperado,
I am sorry to say that you don’t really address my points, but simply repeat your assertion failing to substantiate them.
Let me go to the main point of your comment(s)
You say: .. we don't have a slim majority yet. We are slowly growing toward that. It is a growth in awareness that will not reverse, but will continue growing.
You seem to believe that majority, however slim, of people with correct perception of Islam is the key to win the conflict.
So let me repeat what I said before (and you chose not to address): the majority, not so slim, of native Europeans have had enough time and experience to form at least as good an awareness of Islam as you and me, but somehow they never even dared to consider your “Zero Tolerance of Islam (which logically includes all who support Islam).” So what had prevented the Swedes, Norwegians, Brits, Danes and Spaniards to follow your vision? Did they make a mistake counting their number and instead of slim majority they erroneously arrived at slim minority?
In decade, or two while we are “slowly growing toward” slim majority the composition of European population will shift most dramatically into Moslem and even assuming that the absolute number of the natives Europeans with “correct awareness” grows it must, in terms of percentage of total population, decrease.
That is the reality of simple arithmetic. The pace of Moslem population growth in the West is very, very fast and getting faster. That process doesn’t stop, or abates in any way. On the contrary, it speeds up as it is evident to EVERYONE everywhere in the Western Europe. On the other hand there is, according to you, another process which albeit proceeding at excruciatingly slow pace and fuelled by, again according to you accumulative effect of “mosquito swatting-like actions, will mysteriously and flouting elementary logic produce, in the remote future “slim majority” of people who will discover the truth about Islam and (presumably after few re-checking that they are indeed 51% , 52 or perhaps even 57 %) impose a national policy of “Zero Tolerance of Islam”. Excuse me, it is not only a fantasy, but an incoherent one. How in the world can a fast vigorous process be overtaken by a very slow and timid one?
Let me add it is not by virtue of having slim or fat majority that one wins ethnic and religious rivalry in a country, but by will to unleash unrestrained violence. Moslems are proving that readiness every day without waiting to have a slim majority. As example of every Western European country shows we have no stomach for that. How much more will we have in the future when Moslem presence doubles?

I need to say one more thing:
For now, that's all we are doing, and all the mainstream allows us to do. It would be nice if it were otherwise -- it would be nice if mountains were made of sweet chocolate, too.
Please, your remark, besides not having anything to do with what I expressed is quite condescending. Nothing what you presented in your recent two postings justifies it.

Thomas_h

"So let me repeat what I said before (and you chose not to address): the majority, not so slim, of native Europeans have had enough time and experience to form at least as good an awareness of Islam as you and me"

They've had enough time, but it's obviously more complicated. 1) Not everyone is the same. 2) PC MC has become over the past 50-odd years an extraordinarily influential reconfiguration of worldview throughout the West, a sea change in consciousness. It has predisposed the majority of Westerners to beliefs, attitudes and givens that tend to whitewash Muslims and Islam for a variety of reasons. Given this situation, it's simply going to take time -- possibly several decades -- to undo that sea change. That sea change occurred only approximately 50 years ago; it can be undone. But it will be difficult and will take time. It certainly won't happen if all of us who are awake (and our number is growing) don't communicate our awareness more and more.

"So what had prevented the Swedes, Norwegians, Brits, Danes and Spaniards to follow your vision?"

As I said, PC MC. It's a new worldview, that includes irrationally excessive "tolerance" and "respect" for "ethnic peoples" + an irrationally excessive denigration of their own Western heritage and culture. Muslims come along onto their radar -- a people perceived to be "ethnic" with "grievances", and the PC MC reflex is to bend over backwards to "respect" them and assume their "grievances" must be legitimate and that somehow the West with its greedy globalist capitalism and "meddling" in the Third World, etc., is perpetuating them. I guess you haven't given this much thought, have you? I wonder how many others are as oblivious as you to the massive and mainstream PC MC that is dominant in Western academe, politics, news media, pop culture, and among ordinary folks all around them.

"Did they make a mistake counting their number and instead of slim majority they erroneously arrived at slim minority?"

The solid majority throughout the West is PC MC -- i.e., asleep and reflexively predisposed to "respect" Muslims. Until we reverse that situation, we can't do anything substantive about the problem of Islam.

"The pace of Moslem population growth in the West is very, very fast and getting faster. That process doesn’t stop, or abates in any way. On the contrary, it speeds up as it is evident to EVERYONE everywhere in the Western Europe. On the other hand there is, according to you, another process which albeit proceeding at excruciatingly slow pace and fuelled by, again according to you accumulative effect of “mosquito swatting-like actions, will mysteriously and flouting elementary logic produce, in the remote future “slim majority” of people who will discover the truth about Islam and (presumably after few re-checking that they are indeed 51% , 52 or perhaps even 57 %) impose a national policy of “Zero Tolerance of Islam”. Excuse me, it is not only a fantasy, but an incoherent one. How in the world can a fast vigorous process be overtaken by a very slow and timid one?"

To the last sentence, which is the crucial question, I repeat: the West at that point will not cease to be easily capable of handling Muslims. It only takes that awareness and willingness. Once that occurs, we will be able to handle the problem. The handling will be very messy and probably bloody, but so was WW2. What's your proposal? How are we going to handle the problem with a West that has not yet attained the minimum of a slim majority of those who are awake? The only way would be for Western tyrants to rise up and somehow galvanize fascist transformations in order to acquire the requisite resolve to deploy the underlying Western strength. That's always possible. I'd rather work toward waking up the West to the fact it has a global enemy. It took a while to wake up the West to the Fascist, Imperial and Nazi enemy, but we finally did, and put them down. Because we waited so long, it was very messy and bloody. But we succeeded.

"Let me add it is not by virtue of having slim or fat majority that one wins ethnic and religious rivalry in a country, but by will to unleash unrestrained violence."

The will of whom? A minority?

Hesperado,

More of the same, only more tortuously presented…’

As I said, PC MC. It's a new worldview, … I guess you haven't given this much thought, have you? I wonder how many others are as oblivious as you to the massive and mainstream PC ….

Please, please, please, stop guessing about what I believe, or have given much thought to and therefore I need your lecturing to open my eyes. I am old enough to remember the thing still in its initial, almost innocuous, form(s) and have been aware and alarmed by its threat since. I talked and wrote enough about its lethal ambitions when the word PC wasn’t even in use (in the West). And if I need to update, or perfect my understanding of it there are better sources than your brief introduction above. There are tons of books, essays, publications and websites (Lawrence Auster’s website comes to mind) available to anyone.

Your analogy of the situation in the past when we finally had awaken to the reality of Nazism is absolutely inapplicable to the situation now when we are facing the spread of Islam in our countries. The first resolved itself in WAR, the second can only resolve through CIVIL WAR. They are driven by different dynamics and the latter is vastly more horrible than the former and the more it is delayed the more horrible it becomes.

Otherwise I give up discussing with you the emergence of the mystical “slim majority”, which you on the one hand see as the absolute and necessary condition for winning the conflict in the future and on the other hand ignore the fact that this condition has been present here in Europe for very long time without causing the natives to organize and act to prevent the catastrophe.
True, you do try to explain it by pointing at the “PC MC” infection, which keeps us in paralyzed - and you are nearer the truth here. We need to win the Cultural War against the anti-West, anti-Christian Left in order to stop and reverse the triumphant march of Islam. But you don’t do that through documenting and publishing Islamic-atrocity-of-the-day, or of the hour. So how do we accomplish that when even the vast majority of conservative politicians would never even consider saying “it is our country, always has been so and it is our MOST sacred duty to keep it ours and therefore Moslems must go.” Oh, yes, we have Geert Wilders and the majority (not slim at all) love the guy, yet the fellow is practically dodging bullets and forbidden to enter the UK!
But I think Lawrence Auster, among others, has written extensively and with his distinctive outstanding clarity, logic and eloquence about these matters, so there is no point for me to expand on it.

The question is how do we win the cultural war when all institutions, the educational system, the media, the military, the police, the church and the language itself are perfectly permeated by the Left’s “metaphysics”. You, again propose working on the benighted population, so it produces the slim majority of correctly informed. Well, let me tell you again that only a very few don’t know about the PC. There is an absolute majority of the informed ones, yet there is no revolution you envisage. Obviously, the reason there is no revolution must lie much, much deeper than simple lack of information. The reason is nihilism and materialism in the heart of old Europe. As it once was in the heart of the Rome.

I think you can’t win a cultural war if you don’t have a robust, confident and unapologetic culture. You can’t have such culture if you don’t have religion. And religion is, at best, residual and mostly symbolic in the West. You don’t really think that even most intense blogging may bring about re-Christianization of the West. Do you?

Speaking of religion. The conservatives may admit that Islam is at war with us. But it is at war with us as the corollary of its war with Christianity. But very, very few can see that, beside its many diverse and sometimes ostensibly contradictory aspects, it is a Religious War. To win such war one must have religion. Democracy, which among other things makes us wait for “majority”, however slim, is not a good strategy in a war, especially religious one.

The time works for Moslems - the longer one waits the more Moslems will be here to claim that they are “the people” not less than we. Demography is destiny in many different ways. As many Mohammedans openly say today, they will win in long run if they only control the enthusiasm of their jihadists and only use our democracy as the vehicle for their march through our institutions. If they wait long enough, probably much less than the 50-70 years that you think it will take for the emergence of the enlightened western slim majority, they will have their own - not so slim one. And once they have it, in fact long before it emerges, they will release the jihadists dogs to speed up the process. It is simple like that. It has always worked.

And then your mockingly ask: The will of whom? A minority?

Hombre, no seas ridículo - will you ever stop that pitiful “minority/majority” jingle?

As Lenin, Mao, Ho, Pol Pot and scores of less known vampires demonstrated it is not majority that turns the trick but the will to unleash absolute terror. We don’t have that will - they have it in abundance. Besides, who said they must be in minority by then?

Minority shminorty…

Thomas_h,

So you have given up?

Thomas_h,

So you have given up?

dear Hesperado,
That’s a tough one. I really don’t know what to say.
Sometimes it seems that only some kind of a cataclysm, a catastrophe resulting in a complete dissolution of all structures that support and maintain our society hurling the survivors against the starkest choices of existence may wake up the spirit that once animated the West. We are fat, comfortable and slumbering and we only allow entertainment to disturb the slumber. We don’t want to hear the thundering of Jeremiah - not unless he thunders on the Ophra show. We believe that Moslems who come here when presented with the option of joining us in our fun and their horrid Allah eventually must dump Allah. We can’t imagine people crazy enough not to do so. And we can’t imagine people thinking it is us who are crazy and deranged and despicable.
If that were only the clash of civilizations we wouldn’t be in such a terrible predicament. But this also is the clash between those obsessed with peace-at-any-cost and those possessed by spirit. The materialists against spiritual. In the long run the materialist lose and spiritual win. And it doesn’t matter that the spirit may be absolutely evil. It is because spirit commands action whereas materialism dictates doing the reasonable, or what it defines as reasonable. But reason is not a material thing. Without faith, or spirit, it can not be reasonable.

No, I didn’t give up. Not entirely.
Do you know what to do?
Entirely?

Thomas_h,

I've already told you, and you can read further on my blog, though I doubt any further reading will help you to understand, since I find I have to repeat myself to you and you still misunderstand and mischaracterize what I am arguing.

Hesperado,

Yes, you told me many times, and I understand very well what you are saying. Your gibberish may be repetitive, but that doesn’t make it very complex. And gibberish remains gibberish, no matter how many times repeated.
Oh, I‘ve been to your depressingly insipid blog once. I will not avail myself of your invitation to visit it again, thank you. The Good Lord may have granted you many talents, but analytical aptitude was not one of them. Something, (your pathetic barking at L. Auster, to be precise) makes me think you know it.

But your short comments on “JW” and “What’s Wrong With the World” are sometimes quite good.

Please excuse me if I won’t reply to your possible rejoinder. It is not a sign of disrespect, but of polite, yet most profound, disinterest.

Otherwise, good night and good luck to you.