UK's ruling Labour Party, seeking Muslim votes, to ease up on Islamic jihadists and go after white racists instead

I observe that all the comments made while we were still hanging out on IntDeb premises, appear to have been lost.

I will take the liberty of restoring some of them.

The most significant posting was that made by Hugh Fitzgerald, who wrote as follows (concerning the 'Shahid Malik' who features in the posted article as 'the first British-born Muslim MP'):

"Shahid Malik was forced to resign -- temporarily -- in the scandal over the expenses claimed by MPs.

"He was one of the worst offenders. Sir Philip Mawer was said to have looked into Malik, but the British government refused, even after repeated requests, to publish the details of Mawer's investigation, and there is internal evidence to suggest that Mawer did a poor job, intended to clear Malik.

For more, google along with "Shahid Malik" (who said he looked forward to a Muslim MP [PM]), such words as "scandal" or "cover-up" or "corrupt."

'Incredible."

A propos my re-posting of Hugh's 'lost post'. I wrote a correction [PM} in brackets after Hugh's phrase 'said he {i.e. Malik} looked forward to a Muslim MP', because I think that that was what was anticipated...not a Muslim MP, which is what Malik already is (and there are others, as well as Muslims in the House of Lords), but rather, a Muslim Prime Minister of the UK.

And, referring once more to my archive so carefully kept, this is what Tanstaafl had to say about the posted article:

(quoting) "The frustration is they are constantly linked with terrorism as a community as a whole."...

- "I have become victorius through terror......." Mohammed, somewhere in the Arabia desert.

Connection made. Didn't take long, either.

And again from my archive, more on Shahid Malik, MP.

HUGH wrote - Shahid Malik addressing an audience of fellow Muslims, describing the Onward March Of Islam by Muslims Working Within The System:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttz8-ucWhYc&eu...

SAXONLANDS remarked, a propos Hugh's note and video clip: Inshallah, in 2014 he {i.e. Malik} will get his repatriation documents.___

FREDMK1 then observed - 'It is worth mentioning that the video of Malik boasting of their progress and saying they would have a muslim Prime Minister in 30 years was not reported on any of the MSM in Britain. Even though it was a major conference and so far as I am aware all the MSM papers and TV companies attended.

The worrying thing is that under the crazy British system 20+ muslim MP's could hold the balance of power in Parliament and sell their support to the highest bidder.

The politicians will of course make the bids to stay in power and Joe & Josephine Public will pick up the tab.'

"I am having some trouble remembering what terror attacks white racists have launched recently in the U.K. or anywhere else"

Let me help you there. The Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995. It was the most significant act of terrorism on American soil until the September 11 attacks in 2001, claiming the lives of 168 victims and injuring more than 680.

And, by way of assistance to many of the posters here I say take heart and look at the bigger picture. In fact we Judeo–Christians are responsible for virtually all of the killing, maiming, double crossing, betraying, ethnic cleansing and torturing.

Hope this helps.

Whoopsiedoo, just because you mention Tim McVeigh every day as some sort of sick attempt at a moral equivalence to the DAILY Muslim terror attacks worldwide, the word 'recently' does not apply to 1995.

Actually Abu I have never mentioned Mr. McVeigh either here or anywhere else before.
I am 57 and I remember the Oklahoma City bombing as if it happened last Thursday. Even though you are probably not old enough to remember 9/11 I think most Americans would consider it recent.
Ah Abu, "moral equivalence", I can smell your holiness from here. You think that just because I am an incredibly handsome blond haired, blue eyed, WHITE, Catholic alpha male, I am on a higher moral platform. Well sorry to disappoint, I am not.
I consider the recent US attack on Iraq, based on a pack of lies, racist. "Shock and Awe" means 'Terror', ask the people of what's left of Fallujah.
One million dead Muslims. That's just Iraq, throw in Afghanistan Gaza and Pakistan and the number significantly escalates.
As I said take heart Abu, confident in the knowledge that it is indeed we Judeo–Christians that are responsible for virtually all of the killing, maiming, double crossing, betraying, ethnic cleansing and torturing. It's just that you have to look through the BS at the bigger picture and think for yourself.

Ladies and gentlemen.

Observe Whoopsiedoo claiming that Jews and Christians are responsible "for virtually all of the killing, maiming, double crossing, betraying, ethnic cleansing and torturing."

Where? During what time period?

Very large numbers of those killed in Iraq have been murdered by their fellow Muslims. Many of the indigenous Christians have been murdered - or else kidnapped, and raped, or driven out into exile- by *Muslims*.

As for Pakistan and Afghanistan - the killings have been, overwhelmingly, Muslim-on-Muslim killings.

And Whoopsiedoo doesn't seem aware of the fact that the Muslims in Pakistan have been killing *Christians* - unarmed, defenceless, poverty-stricken village *Christians*. Just recently hundreds of Muslims, enraged by an entirely false rumour that some Pakistani Christians had damaged a Quran, went howling into a Christian neighbourhood and looted and pillaged and burned and threw acid on people and killed people. Muslims in Nigeria have been killing Christians. Muslims in Indonesia have been killing Christians - thousands of Christians were attacked by Laskar Jihad in the 1990s, and churches burnt all over the place, and thousands of Christians driven out of places like Ambon.

Gaza? - Jihad Fortress Gaza, full of rabidly Jew-hating murderous Muslim gang bosses who teach their toddlers to hate Jews purely because that's what the Quran tells them to do, got exactly what it deserved - indeed, far *less* than it deserved - in January this year. Oh, I'm sure Whoopsidoo doesn't want us to remember Rami Ayyad, Arab Christian in Gaza, who was murdered by Muslims for the heinous crime of managing a Bible shop; and then there's the 'honor' murders of Muslim girls in Gaza, by Muslims; and the defenestrations of 'Fatah' gang members, by 'Hamas' gang members...

Now let's go back a little in time.

In the 1930s at least 70 000 of the indigenous Assyrian Christians in Iraq were butchered by the surrounding Muslims in a gleeful orgy of bloodletting that took place *after* the British departed from Iraq.

And perhaps Whoopsiedoo doesn't remember about a million Armenian Christians - all of them unarmed, defenceless civilians, many of them elderly, women and children - who were systematically annihilated by *Muslims* during 1915-1916. Does Whoopsiedoo believe that the Armenian Christians were the guilty party, and that the Muslim Turks and Kurds who butchered them, bear no responsibility?

Now, let's fast forward a bit.

Let's think about the Iran-Iraq war, in which Sunnis fought Shias, and Persian Muslim children were given plastic keys to Paradise, and used as human minesweepers. Were Jews and Christians to be blamed for that?

How about the Pakistan-Bangladesh war? Hundreds of thousands of victims - mostly Bengali insufficiently-islamic Muslims, butchered by their fellow-Muslims from Pakistan. Who caused *that*?

Now let's think about the two and a half million black Christians and animists who have been exterminated - or else seized, usually raped, and enslaved - by the 'Arab' Muslims, in the Sudan, in the course of a classic Jihad conquest-and-islamification process, since the 1950s. Presumably Whoopsiedoo thinks all of this is the fault of Christians.

then there are the 200 000 Catholic East Timorese, systematically subjugated and murdered by Muslim Indonesians in the space of some 30 years? Presumably Whoopsiedoo believes that the Timorese deserved such treatment, that they brought it on themselves, that the Javanese Muslim Indonesians who carried it out, are as innocent as the driven snow?

And moving outside of the Islamosphere...I assume Whoopsiedoo holds Christians, qua Christians, responsible for the doctrines that drove Pol Pot and his cohorts to carry out one of the worst mass murders of the twentieth-century? And for the Chinese Communist invasion and occupation of Tibet, and the mass starvings and mass killings that took place within China during the Mao years...

dumbledoresarmy

My goodness dumbledoresarmy you must have blown a gasket venting that.

"Where? During what time period?"

The Middle East but Pakistan and Afghanistan can join the boat. As for time period, well in the thread I consider the Oklahoma City bombing, April 19, 1995 as recent but really the the end of Ottoman rule is ok too.

The point I am making is that many, many, many more Muslims have been killed by Judeo–Christians than Judeo–Christians killed by Muslims despite Judeo–Christians being a small minority in the region. So to be more accurate, I maintain that:
Judeo–Christians are responsible for virtually all of the killing, maiming, double crossing, betraying, ethnic cleansing and torturing (in the Middle East including Afghanistan, Pakistan, and those other stans that Russia pummelled perhaps Bosnia and that region too if you like).

dumbledoresarmy, I am sure you are aware of the sectarian violence that has been ongoing in Ireland particularly the North of Ireland. Here Christians found it their God given duty to kill other Christians. Now, if Finland invaded Ireland for no other reason than they hate the music, and in the ensuing destruction and chaos, civil order completely disintegrates and Christians went howling into other Christian neighbourhoods and looted and pillaged and burned and threw acid on people and killed people, we would understand that Finland would bare full responsibility. This, dumbledoresarmy is my answer for Iraq. Israel strongly supported both invasions and now is pleading for an attack on Iran. We are responsible. Period. And by the way, the vast majority of deaths in Iraq are due American made weapons not Muslim on Muslim violence.

Muslim on Muslim violence is of no interest to me. It's about as important as saying WW1 was Christian on Christian violence. But you do mention the Iraq Iran War. After some of those Persian Muslim children with their plastic keys to Paradise made it through the minefield they were met by gas. You are aware that the USA catered to all aspects of Saddams chemical and biological weapons needs, aren't you? You are aware of the assistance and encouragement that the USA gave Iraq, aren't you? USS Vincennes and all that? Good!

Ah, the Gaza Ghetto.
"Jihad Fortress Gaza" LOL
Lets take a look at this Jihad Fortress Gaza, "full of rabidly Jew-hating murderous Muslim gang bosses who teach their toddlers to hate Jews purely because that's what the Quran tells them to do".

Perhaps it also had to do with the terrorism and ethnic cleansing that led them from their homes and villages and into refugee camps.

"got exactly what it deserved - indeed, far *less* than it deserved - in January this year."

Yep, a boxed in half starved ghetto received your delivery of White Phosphorous and many other things besides.

Dec 2008 through end Jan 2009
Israelis 13 dead (mostly soldiers, 4 from friendly fire)
Palestinians 1350 dead (I use a conservative figure for 'Operation Cast Lead')

Tell me dumbledoresarmy, what should that figure be, what did they deserve?

Ladies and gentlemen

Whoopsiedoo poses as a breast-beating Westerner.

However: the reflexive and obsessive use of tu quoque betrays it as, almost certainly, a Mohammedtroll who is trying to press our guilt buttons.

Won't work. Doesn't work, here. We know our own history, and that of the Mohammedans, far too well.

Whoopsiedoo should read K S Lal and Tidiane N'Diaye, for starters, and reflect on the mountain of corpses and the broad trail of blood that has accompanied Mohammedanism on three continents.

And I repeat. The Armenians.

Who is responsible for the killing of the Armenians? (but I notice Whoopsiedoo very carefully places the start of its preferred time period, within which 'christians and Jews' have killed, so it [the Mohammedtroll claims], more Muslims than Muslims have killed either fellow Muslims or anyone else [really? Sudan? Hindus in Bangladesh? don't they count? Christians and animists in Biafra? they don't count either?], 'at the end of the Ottoman period'). Presumably Whoopsiedoo wants us to start totting up comparative body counts *after* 1916 (or 1917?), so as to exclude the Armenians...and the Maronites of Lebanon...the Ottoman starvation-blockade of Lebanon resulted in an appalling death toll among the Christian and Druse populations there.

I doubt that the body count for the entire period of the 'Troubles' in Ireland comes anywhere near the toll from, say, the Sunni-Shiite bloodletting, or for that matter, the orgy of bloodshed that followed Khomeini's ascension to power in Iran.

Furthermore, ladies and gentlemen, if you peruse Whoopsiedoo's final posting above, you will observe a continual attempt to shift *any* kind of responsibility away from the Muslims. It's *all* the Kafirs' fault, *always*, according to Whoopsiedoo. The Muslims are purely victims, poor things.

I don't think so. If Mohammedans weren't inclined to violence in the first place they wouldn't be interested in buying Kalashnikovs, poison gas, etc, to use upon one another (see Yemen *right now*, see Somalia, see Afghanistan, see, see, see).

Personally, I would be very, very happy if, as Hugh Fitzgerald has advised on many occasions, all non-Muslim countries ceased to sell to Mohammedan countries, or Mohammedan entities, *any* weaponry any more 'advanced' than guns and jeeps, and refused to offer them any military or chemical or biological 'training'.

And I maintain that if we westerners, and the Russians, and the Chinese, and everybody and anybody else, imposed such a ban; and if we indeed erected an iron wall all around what currently constitutes dar al Islam and refused to have anything whatever to do with them and left them strictly alone; we would *still* see the Mohammedans butchering one another, and their dhimmi populations, en masse.