It's so hard to get good clerical help these days. Even the top clerics misunderstand the Religion of Peace™.
"Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners," by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz for Israel National News, September 1 (thanks to all who sent this in):
(IsraelNN.com) A highly influential Shi'a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults, apparently told followers last month that coercion by means of rape, torture and drugs is acceptable against all opponents of the Islamic regime. [...]"Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.
Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."...
A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:
"If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners: "What if the female prisoner gets pregnant? Is the child considered illegitimate?"
Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women - ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran. However, if the child is raised by the jailer, then the child is considered a legitimate Shi'a Muslim."
If this is accurate...
what other 'religion' on earth views RAPE as a holy act?
Predictable posts from defenders of Islam:
someone September 2, 2009 at 2:09 am
Please, this has nothing to do with islam, any religion can be perverted this way, do you really think catholic inquisitors were any better ?
And anyone has a source more credible than an israelian website ?
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t have any doubt that these guys are monsters, but they usually try to hide it. Such clear declarations need to be seriously verified.
http://sheikyermami.com/2009/09/01/iran-top-shia-cleric-and-ahmadinejads-spiritual-adviser-says-islam-sanctions-rape-of-political-prisoners-both-male-and-female/
Our resident troll, solkhar:
...the article which is simply propoganda for INN which is a nationalist journal in Israel and thus linked politically to the far-right....
.. it is obviously the rantings of a political-radical group...
... I should say “now watch all the Evangelical trolls pop up when I tell them that the Qur’an, the Bible and the Torah are all from the same source and are equal, with the Qur’an being the only one not corrupted by the hands of men and clarifies parts of the other two”....
And they complain about waterboarding?
Just go back to the Mein Kamph playbook, the toxic koran, and see it laid out there for the sheep to follow and for the imams to refer to.
Stand up for and honour women and watch islam explode.
OT in fact honour thy father and thy mother, and watch the bastard Dem party explode.
And we were worried about a litte waterboarding that makes you feel as if you are drowning, undies on a person's head, etc.!
Then again that is what makes us better people isn't it.
According to Islamic theology, Ethics cannot be derived from human reason: God's commands, as revealed in the Qur'an and the practice of Muhammad and his companions (the hadith), are the source of all morality, however, contrary to common sense, justice and humanity, these may be.
This means that a powerful leader can get his way by committing any crime as long as he can declare that it's been done in the name of Islam. This is a cakewalk and needs no clarifications, as long as the victims are non-Muslims, but in rare cases, like this one, crimes against Muslims may require such clerical intervention.
Non-Muslims must get this fundamental understanding about Islam in place, to navigate through the treacherous minefields of Islamic Taqqiya and dissimulation.
What a warped "religion" that would condone an act of violence against other human beings. This is sick. Why people aren't fleeing this "religion" in droves is beyond me.
"When religion and politics ride in the same cart, nothing can stand in their way."
- Frank Hebert, from the SciFi novel, Dune.
Spirit Wolf - the libs/dems complain about water boarding! They were so against the war in Iraq and Bush - we supported the Troops and the mission..........now I have come full circle and want to bring our people back from Obama's Afganistan! We must make noise!
These muslims are not worth fighting for and their animal and cruel techniques are really fucked up - because of mo and allah!
"When religion and politics ride in the same cart, nothing can stand in their way."
- Frank Herbert, from the SciFi novel, Dune.
But wait....aren't all muslims are "prisoners" of allah, so therefore they can ALL get raped. (Before circumcism beating and beheading of course.)
Depravity for Allah defined...Confessions of a 'lunar-tick'...
Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner.
Allah wait's all day for rape prayers, he likes those as much as Haj prayers, or pilgrimages to Karbala...That makes rape an valuable asset to 'inner struggle jihad'...Whatever turns Allah on is good enough for the spiritual rapist...
"This is sick. Why people aren't fleeing this "religion" in droves is beyond me"
GMcCal, the surprise is that so many people have not capitulated to its lure of easy money allowed by robbing and deceiving non-Muslims. It's a cult par excellence for these greedy and violent times. Just imagine, if the West had been Islamic, it could have declared all the Arabs, Iranians etal as renegades from Islam and destroyed them without any qualms under the peaceful umbrella of Islam.
Evil is personified here. If we ever doubted the existence of an evil force in the world, we needn't doubt any more.
The depraved teachings of this imam are one aspect of the evil at work, but what of the interrogators and their willingness to partake in this? What are we to make of the mixing of sexual desire (with apparent arousal on command) along with the infliction of pain and humiliation on a prisoner?
And this imam's instruction to the interrrogators to wash and "cleanse" before the brutal and depraved assaults begin reveals an ill, depraved, and thoroughly putrified mindset.
This unholy combination of motivating factors reveals the deep pathology at work here.
The truly sad and frightening part of this is that this mental illness is not confined to one or two warped individuals; it apparently is endemic.
Very sicK!!! Will the political leader of the west finally see the evil of Islam?
GMCCal- I think because it does allow such evil things- look at all the prisoners joining up!
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YUSUFALI: Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
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YUSUFALI: Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,
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YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
Posted by: GMcCal
"This is sick. Why people aren't fleeing this "religion" in droves is beyond me"
They are brought up with it, it has perverted their minds to the point they believe this is the way to act. They enjoy the violence because it is the way of Mo' - it is decreed.
Just as the old Milgram electrocution experiment showed, humans are capable of shockingly (pardon the pun) callous behaviour and cruelty beyond belief when you remove the individuals responibility for their actions.
This is proven time over, Nazi death camps for another, more extreme example.
With islam, not only is that responsibility removed, but that is reinforced with the belief that this behaviour is actually required by god.
On top of this problem, they perceive western civilised behaviour as a weakness and treat our humanity with contempt. There is only one thing they will ever respect and understand - that is an overwhelming show of lethal force.
The only way we stand a chance of defeating islam is through military force and (at least) equal brutality, we already know it cannot be reasoned with yet our leaders persist down that path.
I don't want to appear fatalist, but it will destroy us.
Herbert had it right! Wonder when the muslims react to his saga!
allah was mohammed's tool!~
This is a case for Jameel Jaffar!
Hell ain't hot enough yet for these animals.
While Hussein Obama limits US interrogators to buying coffee and finding a lawyer for the enemy in custody.
Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner.
...................
Rape as prayer, rape as pilgrimage. In what other religion is rape a *form of worship*?
Is there any question to the veracity of this news article?
If not, it only further cements islams place as the world's most disgusting "religion".
Sheik Yer'ami:
With respect to the Spanish inquisition, yes it was far better than the secular courts of the time and infinitely superior to that monstrous justification.
No Inquisitor ever raped the prisioners- if they did you can bet Charles Lea and the Protestent polemicists of the 16th cntury would've made sure EVERYONE remembered such evil.
Well that anti-natural law apologia merely highlight Islam's greatest flaw, it doesn't have a magisterium so Islam is whatever the beard with the most firepower (or bloodthirsty throat cutters in the old days) bombastically trumpets....until he's whacked another beard proclaims something else and so on forever.
xavier
Why people aren't fleeing this "religion" in droves is beyond me.
posted by GMcCal
Because they are people only in a purely biological sense. On the spiritual, moral and intellectual level they are grotesquely disfigured MUTANTS due to the exposure to islam from their earliest infancy. What high radioactivity is for the human body, so is Islam for the spirit of man.
What can one say? Where does one begin? This is so sick. But should anything coming out of the Islamic world surprise anyone anymore who has studied what Islam really teaches? Again, I would state that it was almost inevitable that mankind would get a religion that was pathological in nature and essentially evil. We did. It's called Islam.
Rape as prayer, rape as pilgrimage. In what other religion is rape a *form of worship*?
Posted by: gravenimage
And while we are at it, what other purported "holy" book has a detailed explanation of the rules of booty?
It's so obviously an invention of convenience by a pathetic and bloodthirsty man being possessed by Satan.
Yes, rape is the ultimate sacrament in God-less Islam. In fact it's the only sacrament.
Satanic worship at it's most fulfilling.
And they complain about waterboarding?
Posted by: Spirit Wolf
But of course! Waterboarding was done to holy warriors for Allah. Rape is being reserved for "opponents of the Islamic regime". It's all about context.
I'm more interested in the idea of the rapist. He wants a witness for his act with a man but not with a woman? Isn't homosexuality deemed sinful? How can it be right, even within Islam, for one man to penetrate another - even an "opponent of the Islamic regime"?
There must be a cleansing ritual afterward, since he has stained himself with the fluids of a sinner and an enemy of Allah.
If raping a woman is considered in keeping with the religion then why is a witness not allowed? What does the interrogator have to fear?
Do we really want to import more believers of the sacredness of rape into our countries and allow them to live near our daughters, and sons for that matter? At what point do we say enough is enough and demand that our leaders address this problem and protect their citizens?
Soooo, if I was to use some liberal relativism here, does this mean if I do the Haj, it would be the spiritual equivalent of buggery?
Moslems are the worst hypocrites on earth.
Their logic is so warped & twisted (thats why we call it "ISLAMOLOGIC")
I used to know a bum lifter who would say to me
"Don't ever forget that us moslems used to take your women, when we ruled India"
Then he would get angry when anyone raised the issue of "Right hand possessions".
Their so called prophet did it and they consider him the "Perfect man" so I suppose it is expected.
And in Africa moslems rape women because of dancing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJAM2gQlnY8
Iranian Woman's Prison-The Whorehouse from Hell.
"...they are people only in a purely biological sense. On the spiritual, moral and intellectual level they are grotesquely disfigured MUTANTS due to the exposure to islam from their earliest infancy. What high radioactivity is for the human body, so is Islam for the spirit of man." -- Posted by Thomas_h at September 2, 2009 8:18 AM
A very good characterization. This "Imam" is so sick, Qur'anic justification for rape or not, that one suspects that there are Muslims who would be embarrassed over this outrageous statement. If there are, now's the time to step forward, boys and girls, and let us know that you don't agree with this monster.
Soooo, if I was to use some liberal relativism here, does this mean if I do the Haj, it would be the spiritual equivalent of buggery
It does not take much imagination
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/saudi-arabia/images/mecca/resized/mecca-black-stone-cc-toursaudiarabia.jpg
Read the article written 2 1/2 years ago "Iran Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi is Nostradamus Third Anti-Christ Mabus" here:
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2007/01/191141.php
Thanks InfidelK9. Now I can spend the rest of my day with that imagery. Thanks-a-lot.
This story is quite apropriate the day after President Obama praised Islam for it's "justice and progress." Rape is Islamic justice, notice how everything Islam does is harmful to women, especially Islamic "justice." And the progress part is really quite humorous in light of the fact Islamic countries are always among the most backward in every way on Earth. Remember all that the next time some wide eyed Obamabot tells you how smart our "Dear Leader" is.
My thoughts exactly, KK. Barf...
I can see why praying to "allah" would be entirely appropriate while engaging in the rape of prisoners. Yes indeed.....
Robert, can you make a guess at which Qur'anic verses Mesbah-Yazdi had in mind when he said:
"The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women - ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran."
My guess is that it's 33:50, one of the "possess by your right hand" verses.
Please send this out to the people inquiring into the behaviour of the CIA. Please send it to the President. Please help make this widely circulated. Muslims must be issued with a 'Please explain!"
Yahoo was running this question: Is rape a legitimate form of interrogation but it was deleted.
How can we get it back? It should go out on Twitter and Facebook etc I'm no good at that sort of stuff
I know that Islam's regulations can be obtuse from a Westerner's POV, but I sense the whiff of propaganda in the story. Is independent confirmation available? Does this even make sense from a hardline Islamic POV? How about the 4 Sunni schools?
Dear dumbledoresarmy ,
1- There is no "IF" ! This is correct!
2- No other religion (known to me) permits it!
In Biblical times, Judaism punished such
crimes by death! (stoning of both of them !
Just to be on the safe side!...)
3- Special for you:-
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1903.htm
Islam must be eradicated from the conceptual matrix of human thought if this is its malignant result.
Madness posing as piousness.
Repellent.
This is really no different than the crime that was committed in the movie, "The Stoning of Soray M." In that case, a woman's whole life was raped and thereby destroyed. It was perpetrated because of an agreement made between the perpe-traitors. So is this. Civilization needs to stand firmly against these acts and severely expose and ostracize, punish and if necessary, destroy those who accept these acts and condone them. It is our duty as citizens of a civilized world to eradicate this nonsense from our planet.
Isabella - you wrote, above - "Yes, rape is the ultimate sacrament in God-less Islam. In fact it's the only sacrament."
Not the 'only' sacrament.
There's another one. Murder.