Christians emigrating as Lebanon increasingly "Islamized"

as usual, when Muslim become stronger the Christians and non Muslims start to disappear..some Muslim countries that once had sizeable Christian populations now enjoy nearly 100% elimination of those Christians and non Muslims...elimination of Christians and all other Non Muslims is the Islamic prime directive...

It seem to me that things are lineing up for a great war of religions/cultures/civilations. The "Exodus" of Christains from Islamic Countries will only embolden the Jihad against the Christians, as there will be less resistance.

Christian = Marter.

Muslem = Murder.

Allah = Islamic nation.

Jesus Christ = Salvation.

The choice is between:
Right, and wrong.
Good, and evil.
and Heaven, and Hell.

There isn't going to be a great war. Christianity is nearly dead. The only true Christians are the little blue/grey haired old ladies. The Church just like our entire culture has been watered down by multicult/PC interfaith dialog. Most of the so called "Christian" world is going extinct.
Recently i've done reseach using the US international census bureaus population pyramids and here is what i found.
Europe currently has a population of 735 million people 685 non muslim. By 2050 the non muslim population will be down to 538 million. Overall europe will have only 338 million people counting muslims under 50 years old. There will be only 131 million non muslim women under 50 years old if present trends hold which i think most definately will. By 2100 non muslims will be a very small minority.
Simply put the Lebanise Christians are typical modern day christians. When the were the majority the couldn't wait to let muslims in due to multicult/PC. Then things get tough and they ran like cowards. BOCK BOCK BOCK
Eventually the few non muslims left will run out of places to flee too.

blah blah blah. Look at the stats. Like i said there will only be 130 million non muslim women under 50 left in Europe. Most of them will abort or choose not to have any kids.
http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idb/region.php
If there was a christian god he certainly wouldn't help us. We are the biggest losers in the history of mankind and he wouldn't want to be associated with us.
The only place Christianity is thriving is Africa. Once the muslims take over the west and russia they use our high powered weapons to wipe out Africa.

In country after country -- Malaysia, Bangladesh, Egypt, India, Lebanon, Bosnia, Sweden, the Netherlands, the Sudan, and dozens more -- the West sees how Moslems, whether in the minority or in the majority, treats non-Moslems. Yet the Western leaders refuse to see the evidence, and encourage even more Moslem immigration.

"the cedars of Lebanon" - hard to imagine what sort of Islamic hellhole it will become without the influence of Christians.

Come to think of it, any other religion as well.

Not to mention the women and men of the west are absolutely too lazy and self centered to have kids. How muslims treat non muslims probably doesn't matter to the current west since in 100 or so years few of us will be left.
Simply put the current non muslim world=the biggest losers of all time. No one in history has willingly eliminated themselves and there culture.
In a way i am rooting for us to eliminate ourselves. We are so pathetic even a Taliban regeme would be an improvement over us. At least they are proud of themselves and can reproduce. Thats 2 more things than we can do. We are 100% hapless. Are leaders are losers,our military leaders are losers,our universities are more radical than the worst mosques in Saudi Arabia,we can't reproduce, we don't believe in anything at all, were just NOTHING. Without us muslims would receive aid for being "moderate" like the Pakistan goverment and the Palistinian authority. Without us there will be mass starvation,no medicine, and technology. Just misery. I'd love it.

Porksword- Those stats are correct. Even if the site is liberal. Thats what a 1.4 total fertility rate does. If you don't believe that site because it is liberal how about listening to the conservative Mark Steyn.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007760

Or ask anyone on this site. Everyone agrees Europe is going extinct.
As far as being a liberal athist you are wrong. I don't want to see Christianity to go extinct. What i want is for it to make a comeback and end multicult PC. However you are nieve to believe that will happen. The 1960's cultural revolution destroyed us. What i want is for others to change their lifestyle. Thats the point i was making. But it is not going to happen.

The reason Christianity is thriving in Africa is because unlike us they are great people who have morals,dignity and values. However if the west falls to islam those savages would use our weapons to conquer africa and the rest of the world. It is what they are programed to do. Thats just common sense.
The only slight slight hope i have for the world is that Latin America takes over the United States and they show more pride and values than we have and save a chunk of the world from islam.

Well, the Lebanese Christians want to emigrate to places that still hold Christian values or a majority of Christians. They should avoid the UK, in particular, Inner London, Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield, Bradford, Rotherham, Coventry, Luton etc etc. They should also avoid large parts of Germany, France, The Netherlands, Holland and many more. The truth of the matter is that unless action(s) are taken to stop mass immigration,Muslims being given favorable terms in just about everything from housing to benefits, in about 30 years time they will have taken over large parts of Europe. The dhimmification processes are already in overdrive and the indigenous populations whilst being dimly aware of what is going on are being soothed to sleep by their PC/Multicult governments. To say anything against the processes instigated by Muslims is "Racist", "Islamophobic" etc etc. I wish these Christians luck. Perhaps by explaining why they moved they can wake a few people up.
Oh by the way the Dept of Education in England has set up a special Muslim prayer room at taxpayers expense of course.

ericthekuffar-Even if the people did know whats going on they wouldn't care because they have no pride,no future and are losers. Its not just the governments fault. The governments are just doing the will of the people. The people since the 60's want pc/multicult abortion,no morals.
The only way to save us would be to give up democracy and have a non islamic dictatorship that would control everything in our lives since we are idiots and can't handle democracy just like muslims. We'd need the dictator to kick out every muslim, "clean out" our universities and media and control every aspect of our lives like telling us when and how much to breed and punishing people who fail to do that and ruthlessly crush any rebellion. Maybe in time we could be reprogramed. Other than that we are all eventually finished.

Mark23

dear god man, you are *soo* negative.

If you really feel that way, why not just come straight out and tell Mr Spencer to shut down this useless, pointless website, quit writing books and talking to people, and just go shoot himself?

Question: are you doing *anything*at all to strengthen the church (anywhere in the world: if you think Africa or S America has got a chance, for god's sake, at least donate something to the Bible Society or some charity there) and/ or confront the Jihad (do you donate to this website, or to Fr Zakaria Botros' program for deprogramming Muslims? But then, of course, Mr Spencer and Fr Botros are just wasting their time, aren't they, according to you?).

If you really think all is lost, then are you going to go down fighting? Or are you just going to stand there screaming at us all, 'Die! Die! Die! The West is sh*t and it deserves to Die! The East is sh*t and it deserves to Die!'

Why do you bother coming here at all, if all you're going to do is sneer coldly at us that all is lost and we ought to just Give Up, and lie down and die?

Me, I'm a Christian, and not the watered-down variety: when I say the Nicene Creed and the Apostles' Creed I mean every word of it.

So I'm NOT going to despair - and that includes refusing to despair of the church in Russia, and refusing to despair over the current state of the church in Europe, even - because I believe in YHWH, the One who gives life to the dead and tosses demons into the outer darkness where they belong. The Living God who descends on his people in fire. He for whom *nothing* is impossible.

And because of the Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, I choose to hope.

Go ahead. Laugh at me. Tell me I'm an idiot. Sneer at me. Spit on me for a fool.

But I will go right on practising the third theological virtue, Hope.

I'm not negative just realistic.
I would never tell Mr. Spencer that. What he and Hugh Fitzgerald are doing is heroic but in the end it will all be for naught. Everyone is too far gone. The 60's killed us.
Your right. I'm going to donate to this web site. I'll go out fighting however i have 0 chance of winning. The current non muslim world=the last days of rome.
If we continue on our current path yes i believe we all deserve to die. The Europeans are the biggest joke of all time,the Russians are the worst drunks ever, the Chinese are nothing but a bunch of ignorant female baby killers, Japan and Korea are filled with a bunch of worthless 40 year old virgins still living at home with their parents, the United States is a cesspool that is being proped up by Latin America for the time being.
Why do i come here? To learn whats going on so i can try and warn people about islam. I've convinced a few people but in the end it won't matter.
And no i won't laugh at you or spit on you but i will point out horrible demographic stats when called for and i will point out that our current societies are a failing cestpool. I just learned today the average American woman has 8 sexual partners per lifetime. How pathetic.
Give up on Russia,Europe and the current white people in the United States. The only slight hope is the Latin Americans take over the country and defend it. Unfortunately they probably will be inflicted by PC multicult rot too.

Mark

it's good that at least you will give Mr Spencer some support. You do not know, you simply cannot know what the future will bring; what can be known, is what is good NOW; and supporting a brave truth-teller, like Mr Spencer, is a good thing to do. Bless you for that.

You told me, "Give up on Russia, Europe and the current white people in the United States".

Well, *I won't*! Because to do that - to pronounce in effect, as you just did in your posting, upon Europe and Russia and the USA and China and Japan, a blanket curse, with a sort of bitter relish in ONLY dwelling on the bad, while deliberately refusing to even believe that anything good remains anywhere among them, or that the good has any capacity of survival and renewal - would be to give way to the great sin of Despair...what speakers of Middle English called Wanhope. *I* will bless, and not curse, and I will go right on praying for them all: because Yeshua of Nazareth gave his followers the authority to cast out demons, to heal the sick, and to raise the dead.

In David Bentley Hart's magnificent restatement of Christian orthodoxy, The Beauty of the Infinite, he states: "nothing in the world so essentially determines the nature of humanity or the scope of the human soul, that there is no possibility of being reborn".

This song, which sounds not to me like the voice of the dead or the dying,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr5Y63bDNNg

was written by a member of the Christian church in England, in 1987; that church which you in your withering cynicism - yes, I call it cynicism, not realism, your tone and language sounds as though you've been looking too long into the diabolical mirror that features at the beginning of Hans Christian Andersen's 'The Snow Queen' - are pleased to pronounce dead and buried.

And *this* German Christian lady is in her 80s and *she* isn't laying down and surrendering to despair, either:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/23329

As a young Christian girl - in Germany - she resisted Nazism and spoke out against it; now, as an old, old lady, she is mustering up her courage to challenge Islam - after having read the books of an Egyptian ex-Muslim turned-Christian, Mark Gabriel. Don't sneer at her and write her off - PRAY FOR HER, and for the organisation she is working with.

If you are not *part* of the church, but used to be, and are now merely looking down your nose at it from outside and dancing on what you think is its grave, then *you* are part of the problem, mate, BTW. You'd be better off saying the Hail Mary and Magnificat every morning and the Lord's Prayer before you go to bed; just as a matter of spiritual discipline. Constantly indulging feelings of bitterness and contempt will simply make you sick. If you're in the USA, then rather than blaming all those wicked Wild Slutty Womens for everything that is wrong with the West, go join Promise Keepers - which is about reviving the practice of chastity and fidelity amongst the *men*.

As for me, you will find *me* - and my husband, and my children - in church every Sunday. I've just joined the Mothers Union (look them up - it's a women's organisation within the Anglican Church worldwide, devoted to promoting and supporting Christian marriage and family life) and I am going to become a parish rep for the Barnabas Fund (a body, within the Anglican Church, which seeks primarily to help and support the persecuted church in Muslim lands [while also assisting it in certain other places, such as Zimbabwe and Myanmar]).

And I pray every Friday for the conversion of Muslims and for the Defeat of the Jihad. Why? Because I choose to believe that NOTHING is too hard for the Lord.

You, of course, are free to believe otherwise, and to despair.

Oh but i do know what the future will bring. Or close to it anyway. Demographics are destiny. Most countries will go extinct or close to it and be overpowered by islam. Other than a few sporatic firefights no one will fight back at all. Just go extinct or keep fleeing until there are no more places left to flee too. Once we all gone the muslim societies will completely collaspe. They will be 1000's of times worse than they are now. There will be no infidels to send the jiyza anymore or buy oil plus no more aid agencies or human rights organizations that at least try to slow down the abuses in the muslim world. There will be several billion more muslims than there are now and have no way to take care of themselves. There will be mass starvation. There will be anger,confusion and panic. Wars everywhere will break out. It will be Sunni vs Shia country vs country Tribe vs. Tribe neighbor vs neighbor family member vs family member. It will really be hell on earth. It will make current Somalia look like a paradise. All 100% of the world population will be in war. All infrastructure will be destroyed. All knowledge will be lost. Humanity will become lower than cavemen. The women will be asked to bread at least 10 kids a peace to help there side in the wars. A typical human life will go like this.
Birth-walk-loveless marriage to 1st cousin-breed uncontrolably- go to war-kill people in war-die horrible death by torcher. Wash- rinse- repeat until the sun dies.
Most people won't live past 25 years old. No one will die a natural death. The only joy in a persons life will be the occasional break from war to come home and beat up the wife/cousin and stone her.
The 1st ones to be wiped out will be the Nation of Islam. After that the Palestinians will be next to go. Then the Persians. After that who knows.
There is next to nothing good in any of the places i listed. Sure there are a few exceptions but that is it.
There is no hope of any renewal or anything like that. PC multicult rot will get worse not better. At some point they will come up with a law to rip out everyones voice box at birth so no one can insult islam. Everyone will go along with it.
The birth rates also will become much worse when they come out with the male pill. Just think of all the kids who are currently born to pro athletes out of wedlock who will never be born. Were talking decent size towns right there missing.
What do you think is going to chance in any of these places? I think that there is a better chance of islam ending that anything changing in the non muslim world.
Thanks for the story about the German lady but she is from the world war 2 generation. They had values and were winners. Unfortunately this isn't there fight. Its the current generations fight. Where in the hell are they? Whoring themselves off and wraping themselves in the lies of Pc/multicult. If the world war 2 generation was around muslims wouldn't even think about jihad.
I not dancing on the grave of the church. I just don't think it is the awnser. In the article about the old lady she also talked about how the church does nothing to teach about islam. Besides do you really think all of a sudden the young are going to start going to church every sunday morning?LOL The only awnser is a dictator to constrain PC/multicult. Short of that i see no hope.
PS i am not depairing. Just being realistic:)

Mark

you remind me of Denethor in Tolkien's 'Lord of the Rings', who in towering despair burned himself on a funeral pyre - and tried to kill his son with himself.

*He* was wrong, as it turned out.

It is not only the elderly or the middle-aged who visit this site. We have had teenagers reading and posting here. Young Vikrant Camberleykar was all of 16 when he began participating in discussions. At least one of Rifqa Bary's schoolfriends visited, and posted. Others read over their parents' or grandparents' shoulders.

Here in Australia, the one parliamentarian whom I *know* to have a complete understanding of the Islamic apostasy law and therefore of the darkness at the heart of Islam is...a young man. In his thirties. Still up and coming. If someone like him were to gain backing, become a PM anywhere in the west...all bets are off.

*Think*, Mark you fool, of what your relentlessly bleak and bitter words, your contemptuous attempts to squelch the projection or discussion of every possibility other than annihilating Defeat, may do to the vulnerable soul of a seventeen year old or twenty year old...who may choose to do one thing or another, and who if they choose a particular course, if they choose to join the counter-jihad movement, might turn out to be, in future, another Geert Wilders, or even more. But who, if they believe *you*,may simply give up in despair, and do nothing; with what kind of knock-on effect, perhaps even disastrous effect. And then...the defeat may happen, but not because of inevitable Fate, but at least in part because of YOUR WORDS. YOU will have helped to *create* the future you claim merely to *predict*. Words have weight.

"Better to light a candle, than curse the darkness".

What candle or candles are *you* lighting? Come on: tell us. Even if it's as simple as accidentally-on-purpose leaving a counter-jihad pamphlet behind on your seat in the commuter bus or train each day.

Or do you just come here to curse...and to curse not only the darkness, but such light as still remains?

Who are you? How old are you? Married? With children? What are you teaching your children, or your nieces or nephews, if you have them? Have you actually attended a church - ANY church, Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant - regularly throughout the past thirty years? (It is perfectly possible for a person in the West, yes even in Europe, and in the UK, to find an enthusiastically evangelical or enthusiastically traditionally Catholic congregation...all one has to do, is pray and look; and when you find such congregations, they will have young people in them, and young families).

Because Isabellathecrusader, here, attends a strongly traditional Catholic church...and her church is full of young families. And I recall another poster, Eastern Orthodox in America, 'Rose Warren' I think it was, who has also told us that *her* parish church is also full of young families...and new converts. And the church I attended for seventeen years in a major city of Australia, in an inner-city area, before we moved to where I now live, was chockful of people in the 17-35 age group; and we had a veritable baby boom, too; in that same city I recall attending a combined baptism-and-confirmation service, in which about twelve of the candidates were young mainland Chinese, who had been in Australia on student visas to study English, and who had found their way to that church (a very 'High Anglican' congregation, all incense and robes and processions, btw) and been converted as a result. They were returning to China as confirmed Christians.