Flying Jews transfer impurity to Muslims 30,000 feet below

Hey, if Mo flew to Israel on a buraq (half-mule/half-donkey winged animal with a female head), isn't it only fair that we be allowed to fly over Mecca and Medina?

Next time an argument ensues with Muslims, ask them the following:

Why does your All*h call us pigs and apes?
(Koran 2:62-65, 5:59-60, 7:166)

Why does your All*h say we can't be friends? (Koran 5:51)

Why does your All*h say we are your sworn enemies? (Koran 4:101)

Why does your All*h say we are vile creatures deserving no mercy? (Koran 98:6)

Let's start asking Muslims why their All*h says these things.

Considering that airlines from Air France to Air India to Japan Airlines fly into and out of Saudi Arabia and have offices on the ground in Riyadh, it would seem that the Saudi antipathy toward Zionist Jewish supremacists is something other than this JW effort to play around with the Quran.

Nevermind the contamination that those inbred bedouin savage keffiyeh-d, sandal-clad, "tent-ed", lazy, devoid-of-initiative, lying, livestock- and child-molesting tapeworms have laid upon this planet since the foundation of their sick mahound-worshipping little cult, huh?

Fairfuzfan,
So why isn't a single non-Islamic temple allowed in Saudi Arabia? Where are the Jews that were once the majority of Medina, then known as Yathrib? Murdered, forced to convert, or exiled by Muslims, that's where.

Saudi Islamists have antipathy toward all non-Muslims, but like Mohammmad, are pragmatic enough to manipulate non-Muslims for services Islamic culture is incapable of providing--the top Saudi "university" came in around #3000 in a 2007 worldwide ranking.

But look what throwing Saudi Islamist oil money at bad publicity can buy:

In 2007 KSU occupied the 3259th place, and in July 2008 it came in at the 380th place, finally reaching the 292nd place in 2009 in an unprecedented jump for an Arab and Islamic university ever. For Asia, KSU was the 21st.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/07/31/80383.html

Do they teach evolution? NO
Do they teach anything in conflict with the laughable Quran? NO

Because the teachers would be killed by their own students if they did. Pathetic.

1. Why does Islamic Apartheid prohibit non-Muslims from entering Mecca and Medina?
Is this Islamic Apartheid worse than South African Apartheid?

2. Why are visitors with Israeli stamps in passports forbidden from entering SA?
That's Saudi Arabia (SA), not the Apartheid-is-a-thing-of-the-past South Africa (SA).

3. What about the more than 1 million Muslims who are Israeli citizens?
Are they prohibited from entering SA as well?

4. Is Saudi Arabia the only country in the world that doesn't allow women the right to vote or the privilege of driving cars?

5. Does anyone know the approximate average flying speed when Mohammed rode his buraq (half mule/half donkey winged animal with a female human head) from SA to Jerusalem and back again in one night?

So Israeli aircraft aren't allowed to overfly Saudi Arabia, because they would contaminate the country. What about Jews on board the aircraft of other countries? Wouldn't they spread contamination too?

This is so ridiculously petty, it's beyond words. I've been laughing about it for the past half hour.

I wonder if these Saudi morons realize that anyone with Google Earth can take a close-up gander at Mecca and Medina? Does having filthy infidel eyes gaze upon these crapholes contaminate them too?

I hope so.

FYI--There is no mention of Jerusalem in the Koran. The Mohammad myth has it he flew "to the furthest Mosque", which centuries later the Syria-based caliphate claimed was Jerusalem. Of course, it was referring to the Jewish temple, which Muslims preposturously claim is a "mosque" since they lack the concept of a timeline, i.e. Islam didn't exist until 600 years after Christ.

It seems to me that any contamination would be flowing the other way: UP from that land of evil to the airplane, not DOWN from the plane.

Ignorance + Hate = Islam

this shows me the sheer RACISM of Islam
this shows me the sheer HYPOCRISY of Islam
this shows me the sheer INSANITY of Islam

Apparently allah is so stupid that
he forgot to make the jews clean?

Or perhaps allah was so dumb that he forgot to inject into the muslims and anti body to figth
off the jew coodies?

I mean islam cannot answer these most basic questions and yet we are to believe that islam is the most perfect religion?

Yea right..

anyone who believes in islam needs to have a mental eval..

www.veteranoutrage.com

Since Muhammad said that neither Jews nor Christians should be allowed anywhere in Arabia. The latter are allowed in as temporary visitors and wage-slaves if from Europe or North America (or if they Christians from Asian countries, such as the Philippines, they are often treated, in everything but name-only, as real slaves, domestic and sex), then it makes no sense to ban only "Jews" from flying overhead. Christians, too, should be banned -- but of course since almost all of the Arab airlines depend on non-Arab and non-Muslim pilots, that would pose a problem.

Still, if I were a Saudi imam I'd worry about those Christians overflying my country.

Especially if they were really dangerous, as was someone we all remember:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnhgpVb-u5s

Hmm. What about the space station and shuttle?

Or as foretold by Mel Brooks (about 50 seconds in):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV9BPyWCKTg

Marisol,

I was wondering how long it would take before someone posted Mel’s Space Opera.

Why does the State Department not put sanctions on Saudi Arabia for apartheid?

something other than this JW effort to play around with the Quran.
Posted by: fairuzfan

Playing around with the Quran is becoming a favorite kufr pastime...Groups/teams are forming and competitions are being planned...

Flyover contamination...There's little danger of that unless someone flushes the tanks...splash...

When will our Islam friendly president make a statement abll them what they did was wrong at least once.
Muslims never invented nothing and did not contribute to American society. They dont even like America. Americans enjoy life now not waiting for the next life which is not guaranteed.

CAUTION:

Reading the Qur'an may produce superstitions and stupidity that go beyond the pale, as DEMONstrated by the Saudis' stinkin-thinkin.

Are the Muslims afraid that some suicidal Jewish airline pilots flying comercial jets would take a dive into some mosque or something?....Muslims know a little about such things....when was the last time you saw commercial jet liners carrying air to ground missiles on their wingtips..?

It is absolutely clear the Muslims are religious zealots and they intend to remove all non Muslim breathing beings from the planet...not just from their countries...they want all countries to be pitiful misery cesspools...just like their countries..

"Jews in Space"

Already been done.

http://www.science.co.il/ilan-ramon/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Ramon

Ilan Ramon was the first Israeli astronaut, and was aboard the ill-fated STS-107 Columbia Space Shuttle. He was also the youngest pilot in the Israeli F-16 air strike that crippled Saddam Hussein's Osiraq nuclear facility. A hero worthy of emulation by any standard.

Once Again Islam,thru the Saudi "Guardians of Islamic Holy Places" shows its TRUE FACE..
Failure to accept the Reality of Israel and the Jewish People's Rightful & Legitimate Claim on their own HOMELAND is the "Obstacle to Peace" ,NOT Jewish Settlements.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE "Saudi Peace Plan"!
If Israeli Airliners can't fly over Saudi Arabia,
Saudi Arabia has NOTHING to say about anything.
Actually,It would be GREAT if King Abdullah of Jordan MADE A CLAIM that his Hashemite Tribe is the Legitimate Ruler of the Arabian Peninsula,and is actually in EXILE after being driven out by the "House of Saud".

What do the Saudis do when there's a change in the direction of the wind, and the beautiful fresh air over Israel blows over, IN and around their holy-of-holies? O, I hope that they are plagued by the thought! ...they deserve such naive torment.

Spencer's header -- "Truly the Pagans are unclean" -- Qur'an 9:28. So also are the People of the Book -- implies that the Mushrikoon (the subject of the 9:28 verse usually translated as "idolators" or "pagans") and the People of the Book are different if not mutually exclusive categories. But "Mushrikoon" simply means "Practitioners of Shirk" and for example 5:72 accuses Christians of Shirk -- man yushrik biAllahi = "whoever ascribes partners to Allah" -- through their belief that God is Christ.

Indeed, just two verses after the verse Spencer adduces, in 9:30 we have both Jews and Christians accused of practicing Shirk:

And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah.

Note: the Arabic "yushrik" is simply a verbal permutation of Shirk, just as "Mushrikoon" is a permutation of Shirk in noun form.

Eastview mentioned the Columbia Space Shuttle that crashed in 2003.

Ali al-Timimi of Fairfax, Virginia, an American-born Muslim cleric convicted in 2005 of inciting followers to wage war against the United States just days after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, also described the crash of the space shuttle Columbia in 2003 as a "good omen" for Muslims in an apocalyptic conflict with the West.

According to the New York Times, "Mr. Timimi [is] an obscure but important cleric with a dedicated following in the United States, in Britain and in Australia... he lectured at Dar Al Arqam Mosque in Falls Church, Va., and disseminated many of his speeches on the Internet."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/27/national/27paintball.html

fairuzfan wrote:

it would seem that the Saudi antipathy toward Zionist Jewish supremacists is something other than this JW effort to play around with the Quran.
.................

It was the Saudis who claimed that Israeli planes would "contaminate" Saudi holy cities if they fly over them--JW is just reporting this racist idiocy.

Talk about institutionalized racism!

It doesn't get much thicker than this.

Not a peep from Red Hussein, who would have us think that he grew up in the shadow and spirit of Rosa Parks -- from whose life his own could not possibly be more alien, and whose name his filthy lying lips don't deserve to pronounce.

But I notice that nobody on the thread has gone for the obvious scat humor implicit in contamination from above.

Should I ... nah. I think just mentioning the possibility is enough.

Pigeons anyone?

This ignorance fits right in with the rest of the ignorance, racism, lies, sexual deviance, murder, mayhem,...ad infinitum that appears in the filthy koran.
Jinns, flying critters, demons and spirits of all kinds.
The idea that... Jeez. I just...
Anything to piss off the Jews I suppose. Epic fail though. Any intelligent person will simply get a giggle or a belly laugh out of this stupidity.
It really does say quite a bit about the insanity that comes from islam.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

Yet another Minnesota Somali mujahid became a shaheed in Somalia: http://terrorfreesomalia.blogspot.com/2009/09/fifth-american-jihadists-minneapolis-mn.html

http://www.startribune.com/local/57448212.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUac8HEaDiaMDCinchO7DUs

Isn't open immigration for the third world and multiculturalism great?

"...construct gigantic towering fans to blow away the contamination." ...LOL!!

Rumor has it that the Flying Nun wasn't canceled, but she was shot down for entering Saudi airspace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnhgpVb-u5s

to the adminstrators of the JW:

Why did you delete my (and Epistemology's)comment? She pointed out the fact that veiled mohammedans often stink and I provided my comment. what's wrong with that?

A comment of mine was deleted too -- I can't figure out why. The only possible reason at one point in my comment was obviously a stab of sarcastic humor mocking the Muslim point of view of this "contamination", not to be taken literally outside of that point of view. When censors begin to suppress sarcasm, it doesn't bode well for the West we are supposed to be defending. I see that champ reproduced my punch line about the "gigantic tower fans" -- so at least it made a brief appearance here. Thanks champ!

Dear Episte, I will contact you later with my idea. I need to rush to pick up someone at the airport.

This is so bizarre, but the more I learn about that perverted religion, the more I'm getting confused.

Maybe confused about details, but I'm sure more clear about its perverted nature.

Lechaim and Skaal!

Of course, Hesp! ...you're a smart 'n funny guy :)

If I fly over Saudi Arabia anyway, can I win frequent contaminator miles?

These deletions resulted from a direct request from Robert. This has happened before on threads dealing with similar topics. He can speak for himself, but I can think of a couple reasons:

1. What is at issue is a supremacist ideology. The "Muslims are stinky" angle is childish and petty. Besides, no culture has a monopoly on sweat glands or body odor. For further reading, Taro Gomi has some enlightening titles.

2. We don't use the slur "Muzzies" here or any variation. It has been a long-standing policy to delete that word -- since before I joined the staff here. Hence some deletions above.

3. There was also one that hinted at removing Muslims from the face of the earth. Just a reminder: we ban people for genocidal comments.

Thank you Marisol.

Regarding deleted posts, Mr. Spencer has more than enough as is to deal with - weekly hate mail and death threats, flying to Florida to help Rifqa with his own money, etc.

Regarding SA, does anyone know if a non-Muslim has ever visited Mecca and Medina and lived to tell about it?

I'd love to see some politician with intestinal fortitude recommend either of those two cities for holding a conference full of Infidels.

"Regarding SA, does anyone know if a non-Muslim has ever visited Mecca and Medina and lived to tell about it?"

Richard Burton

There was also one that hinted at removing Muslims from the face of the earth. Just a reminder: we ban people for genocidal comments.

Excuse me Marisol,
But I never said anything about removing Moslem from the face of the earth. I said removing Islam. Not the same thing at all.
Indeed, I also added: “without bloodshed”, or something to that effect, which should tell you it was not genocide I had in mind. Don’t you read comments before erasing them?

Not Liz Taylor's Richard Burton, but a guy by the same name from the 19th century who fancied himself an Arabist and Orientalist. His description of his visit to Mecca is available on-line for free:

http://burtoniana.org/

Thomas_h: That wasn't the sole reason I removed it. I mentioned item 3 above because it was getting too close for comfort. As I said, on this occasion Robert sent me a specific set of comments to delete.

Hesperado, thanks for the link. Sir Richard Burton has always been one of my heroes. He was an explorer and adventurer extraordinaire, the likes of which one doesn't see any more.

The full path to his account of the extraordinary visit he made to Mecca and Medina is http://burtoniana.org/books/1855-Narrative%20of%20a%20Pilgrimage%20to%20Mecca%20and%20Medinah/index.htm . Highly recommended reading for JWers for the insights from 150 years ago. Not much has changed, it seems.

Jews in jets better steer clear of London as well. The mayor is busy dhimmying Londoners to experience the exquisite agony of fasting. Let's keep that oil & gas coming, folks!

Addendum to my previous post - I forgot to mention there is an online version of Burton's account available at http://burtoniana.org/books/1855-Narrative%20of%20a%20Pilgrimage%20to%20Mecca%20and%20Medinah/1893-Memorial%20Edition/HTML/index.html .

Burton employs the standard literary style of the day (e.g., very long and convoluted sentences), but his story is worth the read for anyone with the patience to slog through it.

I know it’s a long weekend, and the story posting is understandably short for today, so apologies.

OT: I’ve been following this since yesterday. There’s been a lot of coverage. The EDL had been planning this protest for weeks; the cops got extra help to deal with the inevitable trouble. And when the demonstration began, the EDLers obeyed the cops and the “Asian Youths” (most MSMs can’t bring themselves to use “muslim”) attacked both protesters and the police. Finally, this bit just recently on who incited the violence:

“Mohammad Naseem, Birmingham Central Mosque’s chairman, considered to be the most senior community leader in the West Midlands region, told The Times yesterday that he encouraged members of his congregation to attend the rally, at which about 80 people were arrested, to express the Islamic community’s solidarity.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6823767.ece

Eastview

thank you for that link.

Seen. Browsed some already. Bookmarked.

There are just soooo many things Muslims have to worry about.

I would agree with Marisol. It is important to retain some degree of decorum in here. Really off the wall comments do not look good to people who just stop by and look. Let the Islamists have a monopoly on those.

Kaffir Kanuck - thanks for that link to the Times Online report about the Muslim attack upon the English Defence League protest against the Islamisation of Britain.

(Does sound, from some things, that the EDL need to do some more brainstorming and planning - when marching into a situation where one may be attacked by raging Muslim rioters, one needs a cool, clear head. Beer is for afterwards, not before).

I spent an interesting 3/4 hour reading my way through the comments, quietly dinging up those that I thought most intelligent. I'd say that the majority of commenters are starting to wise up to the jihad.

And among the comments, I found this very telling anecdote from someone who stated that their brother - having no connection with either the Muslims or the EDL or anyone else - had been in Birmingham on the day:

'Aldous Huxley wrote:

"There was no "confrontation" the EDL marchers were attacked plain and simple.

"My brother who has NO affiliations was nearby merely a bystander and was punched kicked and insulted by a group of young Asians."

That is: the Muslims started the riot by attacking the EDL; they *also* violently attacked at least one non-Muslim innocent bystander.

To judge from the tone and content of the comments over at that TimesOnline article, and in the talkbacks to various other articles to do with Islam, in different MSM outlets, that I have visited, and read, over the past two or three years, the Entmoot (to borrow a term from Tolkien) proceeds.

And over those two or three years, I have noticed that the voices of the informed, of the Islamosavvy, are becoming steadily more numerous; and they are also becoming - steadily, icily, rationally - angrier.

The intolerance and outright hatred of this ideology never fails to amaze me. You'd think I'd be used to it by now.

Worry - agreed. I recently had one of *my* remarks deleted by the admin. But it was a comment that - had we been still using IntenseDebate - I would have deleted myself, once I had had time to think about it. I regretted it almost as soon as I'd posted it; and I don't feel sorry it's gone.

There have been times in the past when *I* have alerted the administrators to posts that I believed to be possible 'plants' by agent provocateurs - blatantly hateful statements, attached to fly-by-night never-seen-before nom de plumes, that suddenly appeared at the end of threads. It's those, more than the occasional losing of the head by otherwise reputable regulars, that we really have to watch out for; indeed, it's a good idea for those of us who, like me, have the time, to quietly patrol the older threads from time to time.

As for us regulars - deep breath, counting to ten, reading and rereading, before hitting 'post', is a good habit to get into. I don't do either as often as I should.

I think we should never lose sight of the fact that the primary function of this forum is pedagogical. (I see another function as being 'mutual encouragement' - many non-Muslims, especially those from the UK and Europe, may come in here feeling 'down', perhaps even bitterly discouraged and hopeless, and they need to know that there are still things they can try to do, however small, and that they have friends).

Our comments should aim, wherever possible, to 'value-add', by providing analysis, and extra information [accurately referenced wherever possible], or even just by asking intelligent questions.

As an example of what I mean by analysis - joeblough and gravenimage have very often neatly taken a whole newspaper article to pieces, exposing the logical flaws and doublespeak. One reads something like that and it is a revelation.

Think of the impact of such an analysis, upon a bright teenage high-school/ college student or uni student who lobs in here. They're being given an example of 'how to do it', how to *read* and *think* and not just meekly swallow whatever they're being spoonfed.

What is interesting about this is that here we see Sunni Muslim Saudis exhibiting a visceral horror of being 'contaminated' by, as one poster above put it, 'Jew cooties', transmitted merely by an Israeli plane flying overhead
, that matches the terror of pollution by contact with Jews, that was documented by observers of Shiite Persia.

Laurence Loeb, writing about the Shiite fear of being polluted by contact with Jews:

"8. Ritual Pollution.

'The Jew is considered najas, 'unclean'. He is both ritually polluted and polluting, and the Shi'a Muslims in Iran take numerous steps to avoid contact with him. Many of the traditional restrictions on the Jews were in support of this avoidance behaviour...

'Water was considered the most common agent of pollution, therefore Jews were not permitted to use the public baths.

'In recent years they have been permitted to do so in Shiraz, but in Yazd, for example, they are restricted to their own bath or that of the Baha'is.

'The possibility that rainwater might splash off a Jew onto a Muslim led to the *prohibition of Jews walking in public during the rain!* (Loeb's emphasis added - dda).'

'One informant from Shiraz told the following anecdote:

"When I was a boy I went with my father to the house of a non-Jew on business. When we were on our way home it started to rain.

"We stopped near a man who had apparently fallen, and was bleeding. As we started to help him up, a Muslim akhond (theologian) stopped and asked me who I was and what I was doing.

"Upon discovering that I was a Jew, he reached for a stick to hit me for defiling him by being near him in the rain...".'

(Laurence Loeb, ch. 2 [with appendices I_III] of 'Outcaste: Jewish Life in Southern Iran', NY 1977; reproduced in Andrew Bostom, 'Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism', pp. 563-572; passages cited by me, dda, are on pages 564-565 of Bostom's anthology).

"'The Jew is considered najas, 'unclean'. "

Another translation of that Arabic word is "filthy", used also for dog hair, feces, and urine.

And not only are Jews najis -- all non-Muslims are, according to Allah who thus spake in the Koran: the 9:28 verse refers to "Mushrikoon" translated as "idolators" or "pagans", but the surrounding context indicates that it does not merely refer to "pagans" in the restrictive sense, but refers to non-believers in general to include Christians and Jews (cf. verse 9:26: "...and he [Allah] punished those who disbelieved [kafaroo]: And this was the reward of the unbelievers [al-kafireena]." And verse 29 immediately following the "Pagans" verse of 28 clarifies who it is talking about:

"Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth"

I.e., the People of the Book who were given "the Book" (i.e., the eternal Guidance that = the eternal Koran) but who rejected it and twisted it out of their wickedness.

Meanwhile, verse 30 adds Jews to the list. So Sura 9 effectively, through context, considers all non-Muslims "filthy" (najis) -- Pagans, Christians, and Jews. As with all ideologies of hate, Muslims don't necessarily hate them all equally, but consider some to be the "lowest of the low". Probably Jews have that distinction in Islam (reading Andrew Bostom's books on anti-Semitism recommended by dumbledoresarmy above reinforces that estimation), though apostates seem to come close.

Jew Lover, Thank God Im An Infidel, Eastview, and Hesperado:

Preceding Burton were the Swiss, Johann Burckhardt, in 1811-12, and the Italian, Ludovico di Varthema in 1503, and possibly others. Like Burton, they made themselves fluent in Arabic and Arabian manners.

Will the islam-lovers in our groveling,dhimmified State Department comment on this latest insult to Jews by the Saudi slime?

Thanks Marisol.

It's unfortunate that some posters, despite having been told repeatedly, continue to cause problems, taking up your and Robert's valuable time.

offtopic
Today the documentary "Apocalypse: Second World War" was on the National Geographic Channel. Footage of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had the audio muted, leaving just a guy in a funny hat and some Bosnian SS troops. No explanation just a gap where history might've upset some muslims I guess.

erbonystone, the Preface to the first edition of Burton's account alludes to some of these earlier journeys into Arabia. It reads in part:

"The interest just now felt in everything that relates to the East would alone be sufficient to ensure to the author of “El Medinah and Meccah” the favourable consideration of the Reading Public. But when it is borne in mind that since the days of William Pitts of Exeter (A.D. 1678-1688) no European travellers, with the exception of Burckhardt and Lieut. Burton, have been able to send us back an account of their travels there, it cannot be doubted but that the present work will be hailed as a welcome addition to our knowledge of these hitherto mysterious penetralia of Mohammedan superstition. In fact, El Madinah may be considered almost a virgin theme; for as Burckhardt was prostrated by sickness throughout the period of his stay in the Northern Hejaz, he was not able to describe it as satisfactorily or minutely as he did the Southern country, — he could not send a plan of the Mosque, or correct the popular but erroneous ideas which prevail concerning it and the surrounding city.

...

"The extent of the Appendix requires some explanation. Few but literati are aware of the existence of Lodovico Bartema’s naive recital, of the quaint narrative of Jos. Pitts, or of the wild journal of Giovanni Finati. Such extracts have been now made from these writers that the general reader can become acquainted with the adventures and opinions of the different travellers who have visited El Hejaz during a space of 350 years. Thus, with the second volume of Burckhardt’s Travels in Arabia, the geographer, curious concerning this portion of the Moslem’s Holy Land, possesses all that has as yet been written upon the subject.

...

"Mr. Burton is already known by his “History of Sindh.” And as if to mark their sense of the spirit of observation and daring evinced by him when in that country, and still more during his late journeyings in Arabia and East Africa, the Geographical Society, through their learned Secretary, Dr. Norton Shaw, have given valuable aid to this work in its progress through the press, supplying maps where necessary to complete the illustrations supplied by the author, — who, it will be perceived, is himself no mean draughtsman.

"It was during a residence of many years in India that Mr. Burton had fitted himself for his late undertaking, by acquiring, through his peculiar aptitude for such studies, a thorough acquaintance with various dialects of Arabia and Persia; and, indeed, his Eastern cast of features (vide Frontispiece, Vol. II.) seemed already to point him out as the very person of all others best suited for an expedition like that described in the following pages."

...

THOMAS L. WOLLEY.

Hampton Court Palace,

June, 1855.

Dumbledore's Army wrote, citing an anecdote related by Laurence Loeb:

"We stopped near a man who had apparently fallen, and was bleeding. As we started to help him up, a Muslim akhond (theologian) stopped and asked me who I was and what I was doing.

"Upon discovering that I was a Jew, he reached for a stick to hit me for defiling him by being near him in the rain...".'
.................

The Muslim theologian was more concerned with ritual contamination than he was in helping a likely co-religionist, lying bleeding in the street--and then tries to beat the man who actually was trying to help, because he was a "filthy" Jew...

Compare this with the parable of the Good Samaritan, where Christ lauds the Samaritan as a righteous man for helping the injured person, even though there was enmity between Jews and Samaritans at the time.

Christ knew that good works trump religion and tribal affiliation--something this Muslim theologian would never subscribe to.

I have often written of my desire to see the end of islam, as that is the only sure way to see muslims freed of that vile "religion".
I, and others, have written of hating the sin, not the sinner. And "sinner" does not apply to muslims IMHO, as they are the victims of islam.
I to wish to see an end to islam, and that will naturally mean an end to muslims as surely as the end of the KKK will mean the end of Klansmen.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

I wonder what the odds are of passing over Medina or Mecca in the ISS might be. It would be amusing to call their attention to it and remark about Jewish astronauts.

{^_-}

One very essential point I would like to point out here, and one which seems not have been covered, is the very Right of Israel to overfly KSA.

Such rules are established by ICAO - The International Civil Aviation Organization - establishes all rules and rights of commercial aviation for all signatory countries (most all countries). The basics of these rules are the "Nine Freedoms of the Air".

Freedom One

- the right granted by one country to another country to fly across its territory without landing (i.e. an airline of Country B may overfly Country A.)

The KSA can not deny Israel the right of overflight. If this should occur, then Israel would have every legal justification to drag the KSA before ICAO.

All Western countries, had they any backbone, would (and should) deny all overflight and landing rights to the big "Sand Box" airlines (Saudia, Emirates, etc.) in solidarity with Israel.

It is unfortunate that Obama, Brown, Merckel, Sarkozy, et al, will never hear of this deliberate discrimination against Israel; only she can get this ball rolling by filing an official complaint.

Read the basics of Air Freedoms here:

Air Transport - Policy and Regulation

This is the legal teeth to slap the KSA into submission. Rhetoric will not cut it.

I'm sorry, that my commment wasn't seen as appropriate, but it's summer and we had some nice warm days, and I'm very sensitive regarding all kinds of smell. Marisol is right, no culture has a monopoly on sweat glands or body odour, but veils and burqas are a cause for women to perspire, when it's warm and nobody can convince me that these garments are not the most unhygienic ones on this planet. I don't use slurs.

But the idea that Jews are seen as impure really provoked me.

Thomas_h: That wasn't the sole reason I removed it. I mentioned item 3 above because it was getting too close for comfort. As I said, on this occasion Robert sent me a specific set of comments to delete.
Posted by: MarisolJW at September 6, 2009 4:00 PM

“Too close for comfort” is a caricature of explanation. It is a misrepresentation of what I said that only differs in degree from your absolutely untrue charge that my comment was genocidal. It wasn’t and you know it.
This, of course, is your website and you have the right to block my comment for whatever reason you fancy. I have no problem with that. You don’t even owe me an explanation. But once you do choose to defend your decision you should not use a made up “fact”.

And nobody said “Moslems are stinky” any more than you and Mr. Spencer are saying that “Moslems are murderers” despite that many of your postings are about Moslem murderers.

Epistemology came up with a very true observation and I confirmed it. The message was not that “Moslems are stinky”, but that “supremacist ideology”, or “the issue” as you say, is responsible of sealing women in a bag and make them stink. Exactly as it is responsible for making Moslems chopping off heads of infidels, which you always duly report. Both what you and what Epistemology report is directly caused by “the issue”. The latter is no more “childish” then the former sensationalist and lurid.

Thanks a lot Thomas, no further comments needed and please send me an email. Lots of love

Funny link Max Publius cited in a post way up on the page - his comment mentioned the ranking status change of King Saud University.

I went to the site and couldn't believe the racist tone of responses to a South Asian commenter -

> "Far" made a comment titled "i dont believe it" (which said) - we south asian working in hell heat of gulf and still not allowed to get in there colleges.

> "Marroo" responded "@ far" by stating "What would you be doing in your country? Why did you come to the Gulf? I bet you have a better life in the GCC than you would have at home."

> "Hololcaust Gaza" responded "@ far" with "Be happy that they allow you to work there! They don't want you as citizens, because you would outnumber the native population within a couple of years and that would also mean the same poverty levels as in the regions where are you coming from."

So that's what Arabs think of South Asian Muslims? So that's how Arabs with Palestinian sympathies treat South Asian Muslims?

All I can say is WOW...I didn't know there was such an artificial stratification.

Episte,

The posting with your email has been removed too and I forgot to write it down trusting I will be able to access it later. Could you re-send it on this, or the latest thread? I will check both.
cheers,
Thomas