Apparently Fatima -- Odai -- is, on top of everything else, a Misunderstander of Islam, or even maybe a Greasy Islamophobe. After all, who but such people thinks that an Islamic society doesn't respect women? As everyone knows, "beat her" (Qur'an 4:34) in the original Arabic means "give her a hug."
"Gaza teen undergoes sex change operation," from Reuters, September 10 (thanks to Michael):
For fifteen years, Fatima Abed Rabbo lived as a girl in the northern Gaza neighborhood of Jabalya. She wore girl's clothing, and went to an all-girl's school.But shortly after turning 12, Fatima, now renamed Odai, recalls undergoing changes: "I was normal. I used to be a girl and my name was Fatima. Before my father found out and the doctors checked me, I felt like a girl. But after I turned 12 years old, I began feeling more like a boy than a girl."
Majd Abed Rabbo, Odai's father, said that following several medical tests, a hormonal imbalance was detected in Odai. The results showed that Odai had high levels of testosterone and needed a sex-change operation....
"I feel much more comfortable now, I feel like I was born again. I feel free. Anyway, I prefer now to be male because this society privileges males over females. The women in our society are not respected, and their ideas are not respected either. This society is much more acceptant of males than females," said Odai.
Odai: "I was normal."
No, you never were normal, dear.
You're moslem. Nothing normal about that.
Change your sex - live.
Change your religion - die.
I saw a program about transexuals in Iran. While there was social condemnation from the family, bizarrely, the State was comparatively sympathetic. Assorted doctors were helpful and even the islamic clerics interviewed were understanding.
Probably because they couldn't actually find anything in the koran relating to this condition.
It certainly seemed odd, given islam's usual condemnation of anything outside of a strict convention on normality.
Muslim Male....get respect and benefits and dominance over females.
Muslim Female...catch hell, get beaten, abused by Muslim Men and forfeit inheritances by rule of Islam...
"I prefer now to be male because this society privileges males over females." -- from the Reuters report above, in which the reporter transcribes the Arabic of Fatima Abed Rabbo, a Muslim girl living in Jabalya, in Gaza
The word "privileges" used as a verb (for "favors"), which came into widespread use in English from the French "privilegier" via a particular set of Frenchmen -- bored-with-literature-and-eager-for-theory Frenchmen, such as Derrida and Foucault, whose theories, brought from a hyper-literary culture to one that is barely literate (that of the American college) -- is not likely to be used by a Muslim girl in Gaza. Or, at least, is not likely to be used unless she is a great reader of Derrida, or Foucault, or even Helene Cixous, or even of their second-generation American epigones, not quite to the manner born, or even has a pile of back issues of Tel Quel, or at least of the MLA journal, with its Calls For Papers, for sessions devoted to such still-fascinating topics as the male gaze, and phallic hegemony, both based on "privileging" the male, and if that male turns out to be European or North American, then so much the better, i.e., so much the worse.
A sex change operation performed in Gaza?! Bah, she'll probably go to Israel to have it performed. Bizarre.
Odai (or Fatima) - are you an Islamophobe or something? Most of the "Muslims" posting at this site are positive that Islam elevates women. You must be a secret infidel transexual spy!
I'm surprised they allowed her to have a sex change operation. Now they only have one new mujahideen, whereas, if she had remained female, she could have bred a dozen.
Why didn't dhe just run away to the West? It seems a drastic way to avoid being a woman in a Muslim society.
And yes, the use of the word "privileges" got me wondering, too. Western academic pretentiousness gets around, doesn't it?
Not sure if I get your point, Hugh. The translator introduced the verb "to privilege"---not the originator of the quote, who spoke Arabic.
As an aside, I consider its use in English to be a bit of a Gallicism, but after 15 years in Quebec I use it occasionally myself. I also "install myself" at my desk to write.
From the ynetnews.com article linked to:
The results of inbreeding, possibly?
Regardless, Mr. Rabbo must be proud of his "born again" "son" and his "nephew" nee Ola now "born again" as Nader.
I'm so confused that I'm not sure I got that right.
And here I was thinking that ullah doesn't make mistakes.....
Off topic, but had to share...
www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=126183&d=8&m=9&y=2009
You just get back from a trip overseas, Hugh?
he he he!!
"A sex change operation performed in Gaza?! Bah, she'll probably go to Israel to have it performed. Bizarre."
Posted by: Richard
From the article, I thought the operation had already been done.
Anyway, I hope it wasn't done it Israel. If it was, the Moslems will be screaming about a Zionist plot to stop Moslem births by changing all their women into men.
"A sex change operation performed in Gaza?! Bah, she'll probably go to Israel to have it performed. Bizarre."
Posted by: Richard
From the article, I thought the operation had already been done.
Anyway, I hope it wasn't done in Israel. If it was, the Moslems will be screaming about a Zionist plot to stop Moslem births by changing all their women into men.
Zaid's girlfriend is now his boyfriend..
"Not sure if I get your point, Hugh. The translator introduced the verb "to privilege"---not the originator of the quote, who spoke Arabic." [from a posting above]
My point was that the Reuters reporter, in the act of translation, attributes to this simple Arab girl in Jabalya a comically highfalutin' phrase. As Aiken Bryce further points out, "born again" is also a bit curious, given its connotations in Evangelical Christianity. Reporters often make Arab speakers sound far more Western than they are, and when the "Western" quality also contains academic jargon, the effect is even more comical.
You can use s'installer all you want. You are justified. You live in Quebec. and after fifteen years of living in what Voltaire too-quickly dismissed as quelques arpents de neige, you come by those gallicisms naturally, and legitimately, as you mind your politically-enforced linguistic P's and Q's.
And when there's a question of language, and it so often is, who could not be interested?
Here are Fry and Laurie, whom I have just overheard discussing this very matter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnHv7NGWb0k
What once would have been a natural urge, would now be considered a homosexual urge.
Daddy Dearest must have really wanted a boy in the first place. He seems very willing, not to mention understanding, to have ? get a Sex change.
Is there any data available on the life expectancy of the transgendered in Gaza?
Hi Y’all,
Gettin’ ready to take off next weekend on my first training session as part of my pre-deployment to assf@@kistan and lookin’ forward to my next challenge. I recently received an email from Casuals United, with a link to an interesting news piece. Of course, this planned mega mosque brings up a whole set of counter arguments about freedom of religion being exploited in the west when such projects would never be allowed in Dar al-Islam. You be the judge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pn9Mul98JY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcasualsunited%2Ewebs%2Ecom%2Fwhatdowewant%2Ehtm&feature=player_embedded
And, after a brief search, the Christian sites are picking it up, with a mention again of the “Tablighi Jamaat” (as JW speak would brand an “unindicted co-conspirator”) being involved in the creation of a large Islamic embassy on a 17 acre piece of land in the UK forever allowing this religionofpeace to claim Infidel land as their own (my interpretation).
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/christian.councillor.calls.for.action.against.megamosque.group/24166.htm
In keeping with this sex-change story, as I try to link all my comments with some relevancy, could all of this taquiyya? This story reeks of National Enquire tabloidness. Would a Hamas control environment actually allow transgender surgical activity to actually occur, and let alone, be published without some kind of inevitable PA fallout to occur, esp with the inflammatory statements about male dominated society? It all seems so tail-wagging-the-dog. But, as we’ve seen so often, the Islamic mindset does not follow western ideological norms when reporting human events. This could be true. This could be a new hadith to deal with the inherent physiological mutations of unchecked human reproduction affected by man-made environmental conditions which have now reached into the muslim community. Most commonly, in the medieval mindset, such persons would have been marginalized and dismissed (killed, sold to slavery, beaten until they played by the rules). A woman who thinks herself a man in the muslim household would be an Allah-send to the man-boy-love mindset predominant in the Islamic heartland of Pakistan and its’ surrounding areas - the muslim equivalent of a liberal western man finding out his wife wants a threesome with another woman. Can you imagine what other prervert muslim males could disclaim if they had sex with this new male (after all, she really is a woman)? It could set a whole new trend for muslim males who like to have sex with other men to avoid islam’s ideological punishment for homosexuality (that would be sanctioned sex outside male rape as a means of torture as recently sanctioned by Mesbah-Yazdi).
So, I’m starting to think that all the bug-nutter events that occur for real and are posted on JW, such as this National Enquire type story, real or not, might have clawed their way here because we actually have considered all the angles in ever expanding Jihad. It is common knowledge that our corrupt Dar al-Harb allows for freedoms un-tolerated in islam, especially when it comes to sex. The freedom to choose one’s sexual orientation transcends Islamic culture so radically that this story cannot be believed without independent confirmation, or at least, some kind of follow-up where the conservative Hamas society would allow Odai to live out a normal life – just can’t see it happening.
Therefore, back to the mega-mosque. Given the slow right-wing awakening to islam’s European takeover, this video is a passable propagandist piece which in UK standards is walking the fence. For we, at JW, it is tame, but from what I’ve been reading and interpreting from the UK, this borders on racism. Therefore, the attention being brought to the mega-mosque, as long as the leftist support groups can keep Tahblighi Jamaat’s terrorist ties out of the MSM, will be dismissed as more yellow journalism, just as the outrageous sex change story of this post.
Unfounded fears of a quiet Jihad as islam builds more mosques in the west, and sex-changes in Dar al-Isalm show that they’re just like us equal JW anti-muslim rhetoric is racist. It is all so confounded and reeks of taqiyya that I can’t take at full face value what is being reported from Dar al-Islam. So, I’ll just stick to my gut instinct, and believe in what speaks the loudest…actions. Weekly reported sex changes from Gaza won’t make up for the weekly reported crimes committed in the name of islam on planet earth. The truth will set you free, and truth, as we all know, is the greatest threat to…
I doubt if papa would have been as understanding and sympathetic if he had a son who felt like a girl and wanted to become one. If Fatima had any matrimonial prospects, I'm sure they're glad she became a he sooner rather than later.
Something about this story seems a bit off key. Considering the muslim obsession with traditions, decorum, and islamic etiquette, I can't envision family and friends embracing something as drastic as a sex change operation, especially these particular muslims. But I guess anything is possible.
Doubts are expressed by some posters above about the accuracy of the Reuters report, but assuming that pockets of Muslim toleration for a surgical metamorphosis of a woman into a man can or might someday be found, no Muslim state could tolerate a surgery-cum-hormones effecting a transformation in the other direction, that is making a man into what in Islam's view is an inferior being, i.e., a woman.
The West does not make that distinction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Q50y5IsJU
Kaffir_Kanuck,
I hope you will be blogging about your daily experiences when you are deployed to "assf@@kistan". Anyone who spells it that way is already qualified to be a better observer and reporter than 98% of the reporters of the MSM.
Kaffir Kanuck
Please take care of yourself. I look forward to seeing your posts again soon.
GOD speed!
Now if this would occur with the majority of Muslim women, the problem of Islam would be solved.
No wombs, no tombs.
Islam Online--for what it's worth--considers *even thinking about* a sex change to be Haram.
http://www.zawaj.com/articles/sex_change_ruling.html
But then, probably at least in part because they are loath to scare off a would-be "revert", they in many ways contradict themselves with this:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1193049498511&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar
"her" penalty is surely death under Islam.
Guess the only thing left for him to do is strap on a bomb and set himself off. Nothing in the death cult suprises me anymore.
"The women in our society are not respected..."
For real? I mean, is this really for real? Haven't slaves of allah, mahound's imaginary alter-ego, always told us that mahoundianism protects and defends women's honor? If that's so, how could she state something like that?
Is this girl an islamophobe? Have the Jooooooz forced her to say something like that on the record, through some mind-controlling Zionist kind of chewing gum, or lab bugs that insert mind-controlling devices into people through their bites? Or is she just trying out what it feels like to be like Alice?Derrick, a character in John Lennon's short story Snore Wife and Some Several Dwarts?
Kafir Kanuck,
May God keep you safe, my friend. I'll be praying for you.
It used to be said that of the three types of Untermenschen in the islamic world, the dhimmi, the slave and the woman, that the woman had it the worst. The dhimmi could convert, the slave could convert/be manumitted but the woman was stuck.
Seems like the times they are a-changin'.
(S'installer is one of my favourites, am also very fond of se precipiter. Degringoler is good too.)
I don't think the story is fake. I recalled reading this a while back about sex change operations in Saudi Arabia, of all places, but note the emphasis in this article on the surgeries being performed strictly due to "gender imbalances" (i.e. intersex conditions):
"In tacit acknowledgement of the sensitivity of the subject in Saudi Arabia, Dr Jamal, himself a Saudi, emphasised that the sisters fell into the intersex category - without clear male or female sexual characteristics.
He said that he would never perform surgery on transsexuals - people with normal genitalia but who believe that they belong to the opposite sex.
He said Islam did not allow people to change what God had created.
In Saudi Arabia, transsexuals are associated with homosexuality, which is banned in the kingdom.
Dr Jamal has performed more than 200 intersex operations.
He said the transition from being treated as a woman to a man in Saudi Arabia usually went smoothly, but that there could be problems for men becoming women.
He said they found the restrictions of being female in Saudi Arabia difficult to cope with."
Link to article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3814041.stm
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