"There is no such thing as honor killing" -- Mohamed Bary, Rifqa Bary's father
Tell it to Sanaa Dafani, Mr. Bary. Oh, but you can't, can you?
"Italy: Moroccan man accused of 'honour killing,'" from AKI, September 16 (thanks to C. Cantoni):
Rome, 16 Sept. (AKI) - A Moroccan man is facing murder charges after allegedly stabbing his 18-year-old daughter to death for falling in love with an older man in a small northern Italian town. Sanaa Dafani was stabbed in the throat while she was sitting in a car with her 31-year-old boyfriend in Montereale Valcellina, northwest of Trieste, late Tuesday.
Her father, El Ketawi Dafani was later detained by police and interrogated overnight. Some Italian news reports said he had made some admissions about being present at the scene of the alleged crime but had also contradicted himself in relation to the evidence.
There is also widespread speculation that El Ketawi Dafani, believed to be a Muslim, objected to religious differences between his daughter and her boyfriend and their plans to live together.
According to media reports, the victim's father blocked the car and threatened his daughter. Her boyfriend Massimo De Biasio tried to protect her from the attack and was injured in an alleged assault from the father....
The case has already drawn comparisons with the controversial murder of a young Pakistani girl, Hina Saleem, who was killed by male relatives in August 2006.
Hina's father Mohammed, confessed to slitting 20-year-old Hina's throat for 'dishonouring the family' because she lived with an Italian man, wore jeans and worked in a pizzeria....
A Moroccan man is facing murder charges after allegedly stabbing his 18-year-old daughter to death for falling in love with an older man in a small northern Italian town.
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I doubt very much there would have been a problem with this being "an older man" if this was a forced marriage he arranged for his daughter, rather than a love match with a nice Westerner.
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"There is no such thing as honor killing" -- Mohamed Bary, Rifqa Bary's father
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Well, I agree that there is no *honor* in this horrific necrology of dead daughters.
Haram! Haram! Working in an infidel pizzeria! That is the worse sin of all! Haram!
- Abdullah Bhullah, the wacky mullah
As long as the so-called main street media, for the most part ignores these stories and in particular fails to analyze why they occur, the West will continue to remain ignorant of these disgusting Islamic tribal practices.
I think it is time if possible to start making a count of honor killings that occur if we can find out about them---just as we do for Islamic terrorist attacks.
I'd like to see a huge advertising sign with photos of all the recent young women killed in the name of Islamic honor put up on main street America.
May God protect Rifqa Bary and all the other Rifqa Bary's to come sadly.
From above: May God protect Rifqa Bary and all the other Rifqa Bary's to come sadly.
I hope 'God' does protect them because Allah will not...
As many times as I read stories like this, and I have read far too many, the shock value never fades. I cannot understand why, no matter what any "religious" text may instruct or culture may encourage, any father would murder his daughter. Any ideology or culture which fails to condemn this behavior does not deserve to survive in the 21st century.
Murders of family members occur in all societies; it is when such murders occur in the context of specific Islamic fanaticism contextualized, and sanctified, within the Islamic blueprint derived from the fanatical reverence for Mohammed where it gets tightened up a notch: for, such a peculiar, grotesque and yet all too prevalent type of fanaticism is directly related to the fanaticism that moves too many Muslims to want to revive supremacist expansionist Islam, and thus to do whatever they can, large or small, murderous or mendacious, to advance that cause.
The pattern here repeats itself in all forms of violence in islam. You know that the root problem is their teaching of intolerance and hate, killing etc. If their source of learning , the quran, isn't changed, we will keep seeing horrible, horrible acts aganist humanity.
I'd like to hear AM's take on this...how will he deflect this one? I'm sure he'll have a way...
If they ae willing to slaughter their own children in the name of this fanaticism what are they not willing to do to the rest of us? The western world has all the tools to put militant Islam back where it belongs. We are not helpless, though most leaders act as though we are. The media again. Anyone who bucks their line is tarred as "controversial" or worse.
There is no such thing as "honor killing" in Islam. It is not in the religion. Killing for the sake of preserving family honor was expressly forbidden, condemned as evil, and outlined in the Quran as forbidden.
It does not matter that ignorant people like GMCAL issue opinions such as:
"...no matter what any "religious" text may instruct or culture may encourage, any father would murder his daughter."
His natural emotion is spot on with the correct moral compass Islam espouses.
But his media intoxication leads him to the incorrect assumption ( ass u me, you know...)that there is some "religiou" text... a mysterious unknown text... that leads jack asses like the subject of this article to commit violence against people they were charged with caring for.
He may bray like an ass that it teaches this, although he will be unable to prove it.
Knowledge should precede action...that way GMCAL would be less likely to look like an ass around those who understand the subject better than he does.
Peace
Abdullah
P.S. gymgal, sorry I didn't sugar it up for you...GMCAL was the intended target...
Abdullah Mikhail wrote:
There is no such thing as "honor killing" in Islam.
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And yet, Al Azhar claims that there is a penalty for killing--unless it is one's own child, or one's children's child.
In addition, there is the predictable protest from Imams whenever any Muslim country tries to impose even slightly greater penalties for "honor killing".
Perhaps your time would be better spent trying to convince your co-religionists how very wrong they are in thinking that honor killing could possibly be Islamic.
"I cannot understand why, no matter what any "religious" text may instruct or culture may encourage, any father would murder his daughter."
Forgive me for being Freudian, especially since I think Freud was usually full of crap, but I believe some men murder their daughters because if they can't have sex with them, they don't want any other man to have sex with them.
AM: There is no such thing as "honor killing" in Islam. It is not in the religion. Killing for the sake of preserving family honor was expressly forbidden, condemned as evil, and outlined in the Quran as forbidden.
Then why, oh great deceiver, is it that it's the domain of islam that enjoys perpetrating honor killings? You don't see the amish doing it? buddhists? Nope. I could go on....
Next you'll be telling us that there are no gay men in Iran.
Seriously, are you really Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on your lunch break when you post here?
QE,
Honor killing is a cultural thing...it does occur predominantly in some cultures and not others...Islam is in every single community on Earth...so, by your faulty logic, there should be honor killings happening all over the freaking planet. But they aren't, are they? Culture...it's the poison that kills faith if you let it.
"Next you'll be telling us that there are no gay men in Iran."
Of course there aren't, they don't give them that much rope...
Really, you shouldn't project so broadly from so small an occurrence of evil individuals...just makes you look all the more stupid.
Honor killing occurs here in the US in Christian culture all the time only there isn't a cash incentive or political usefulness to labelling it as such in the media.
Remember the Santa slayer who murdered nine members if his family starting with the 8 yer old girl who answered the door...American Christian 40 year old served as an Alter Boy...honor killing? No, he's just a sick shmuck like all the other losers who hurt people they are suppossed to care for.
Peace
Abdullah
the fact of the matter is that Muslims just don't like Christians or Non Muslims..the Muslims will use this hate as justification for killing the Christians, Non Muslims .....or their own children...especially if they associate with Christians or non Muslims...+
ya see..if their Children begin associating with Christians and non Muslims...they just might want to be one...and that is a no go with Allah and Islam...If they cannot control their children, then they will kill the Children..
Muslims kill people every day over "allegations".
There is no arguing with the apologists for Islam. There can never be a flaw in Islam, since it is perfect. Muslims who do terrible things do so because of their culture, quite apart from Islam. It is just a coincidence that so many cultures with a predominant Muslim popualtion suffer from these "cultural" issues. And anyway deranged people in Christian societies kill people, so nothing to see here. Move on and stop pointing out every time an honor killing is perpetrated by a Muslim. The fact that we like to keep women all covered up, another Muslim cultural practice, doesn't mean we get upset when they throw off those tents or when they start talking(!) or hanging out(!!!)with non-Muslims. We're just real easy-going and laid-back.
AM: Honor killing is a cultural thing...it does occur predominantly in some cultures and not others
You're deliberately missing the important link: It's islam! Always islam. The one consistent thing is islam.
AM: ...Islam is in every single community on Earth
No, it isn't, but I'm sure you'd like to think it is.
AM: ...so, by your faulty logic, there should be honor killings happening all over the freaking planet. But they aren't, are they?
Oh, but there are! Everywhere that islam infects is a place that honor killings are perpetrated.
You can keep lying on this forum but to no avail, Mikey. We all know you're a deceiver and your purpose is to put a sunny face on things islamic. Waste your time elsewhere.
AbdullahMikail | September 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Reply
"Islam is in every single community on Earth...so, by your faulty logic, there should be honor killings happening all over the freaking planet. But they aren't, are they?"
Actually, yes they are, and overwhelmingly in the Islamic community.
Is that all you got, Abby?
gravenimage wrote:
"And yet, Al Azhar claims that there is a penalty for killing--unless it is one's own child, or one's children's child."
I see that Abby has conveniently failed to respond to that charge, in fact it seems he has, true to form, simply turned tail and disappreaed from this thread.
Al Azhar, that nest of greasy Islamophobes, indeed.
"There is no such thing as honor killing." -- Rifqa's father
Right. And "Arbeit mach frei," too.