Al-Walid bin Talal's influence on the American media has not been positive, but that has not prevented one Saudi professor from considering him to present a "danger to the Islamic nation is no less than that of the Zionist Jews, or of the Crusader Americans in Iraq and elsewhere."
Al-Ahmed, meanwhile, in his denial that Islam is a religion of tolerance and leniency, must be some kind of ignorant Islamophobe. But seriously, note al-Ahmed's words about how if Allah said it, it must be true, and it must be obeyed. This is the obstacle that prevents Islamic reformers from gaining significant headway among Muslims.
"Saudi University Professor Yousuf Al-Ahmad: Al-Walid bin Talal and Other Owners of Saudi TV Channels Should Be Executed According to Islamic Law," from MEMRITV, August 8 (thanks to all who sent this in):
Following are excerpts from an interview with Sheik Yousuf Al-Ahmad, a professor of Islamic law at Al-Imam University, Riyadh, which aired on Daleel TV on August 8, 2009.[...] I believe that one of our problems is that we continue to bury our heads in the sand, and talk about "Lebanese" TV channels, as if we are being honest. Take LBC, for example. We all know who owns it. We should say to [the owner] Al-Walid bin Talal: Beware. The same is true of MBC TV, Al-Arabiya TV, the ART and Rotana channels - all these [Saudi] channels serve to destroy Islam and the Muslims.
[...]
Regarding these base channels that I have mentioned, and others like them - I have no doubt whatsoever that their danger to the Islamic nation is no less than that of the Zionist Jews, or of the Crusader Americans in Iraq and elsewhere.
Interviewer: What led you to such an extremist view? Note that you are equating channels owned by Muslims, by Saudi citizens, with the Jews.
Sheik Yousuf Al-Ahmad: I wasn't equating them. I said they are more dangerous. I was being precise. in my view, the deadly poison that they are spreading has reached the bone marrow.
[...]
The people who spread corruption in the land - whether highway robbers, drug dealers, or the owners of these TV channels, who are even more dangerous... These channels broadcast corruption and nudity. They are all people who spread corruption in the land, and they should be tried in an Islamic court of law and sentenced to death. This [fatwa] is clearly in accordance with Islamic law. There's no doubt about it.
"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom." -- Qur'an 5:33
Interviewer: The ferocity of this fatwa has cast fear in the hearts of...Sheik Yousuf Al-Ahmad: ... of the hypocrites.
Interviewer: In everybody's hearts. Even in the West, it received much attention.
Sheik Yousuf Al-Ahmad: Islam itself casts fear...
Interviewer: No, it doesn't. Islam is a religion of tolerance and leniency, Sheik.
Sheik Yousuf Al-Ahmad: Allah says otherwise. Islam is lenient, but the infidel West trembles in fear of it. Allah has ordered us to prepare: "Prepare for them what force and steeds of war you can, to cast fear in the hearts of Allah's enemies and of your own."
That's Qur'an 8:60.
Our human nature may tell us that stoning is unacceptable, but this is a punishment decreed by Allah. If Allah decrees death - this is how it should be. If the Islamic scholars ruled that the punishment for drug dealers is death, this is how it should be.I believe that [the TV channel owners] are more dangerous than all of these. Forget about whether or not they should be killed - we demand that they face trial in an Islamic court of law. I call upon the good, honorable businessmen to contribute their millions in order to hire lawyers to file Islamic lawsuits against these TV channels owners, and to persecute them legally. I call upon lawyers and good people in Saudi Arabia, in the Gulf states, in Egypt, in Yemen, and everywhere, to banish them from all Muslim countries.
"Islam is a religion of tolerance and leniency, Sheik."
Cough.
If that idiot actually believes Islam is "feared" by the West he is sorely mistaken.
Islam and Allah are not feared in the USA.
One tends to fear what one does not know or understand, this is not the case with Islam or Allah.
Islam has been studied and evaluated by the American people since the founding of this country, and it has been found wanting...of virtue,morality,justice, freedom,and godliness.
It is not nor will it ever be an add-on or continuation of Judeo/Christian principals, but is simply the INVENTION of a seventh century, sexually deviant political despot, to justify his military aggression against his own people.
Mohamed was NOT a "godly" or "virtuous" man, nor was he a "prophet" in any sense. He prophesied nothing.
Allah has been shown that He is the Pagan Arabian Moon God, with his own mythology, separate and completely independent from Middle Eastern mythology, and NOT the deity Yahweh, the deity of the Christians and Jews.
AS far as not liking TV. Dude turn it OFF!
Hate, kill, hate, kill, hate, kill. No end to it really is there.
Pity there wasn't a drone nearby to help him get in contact with his beloved Mohammad.
I don't seem to be able to get away from the cancer analogy for islam.
Fear islam? yeah...like I fear the Grizzly that lives here in my neighborhood. I am prepared to deal with him if he makes a nuisance of himself. At around a thousand pounds now, I can't just ignore him, I must be prepared...I can ignore neither as they are both a threat to me and mine.
The difference tweenst islam and cancer is you can prevent islam, you can't prevent cancer. Hopefully, you can cure it if you discover it's presence early enough. Same, same for islam.
What prevents islam? Truth. Anyone that knows the truth about mo (Piss be upon him.) and what his made up religion demands will reject it for the insanity that it is.
It is sold on the good points and enslaves later on those first hidden.
Reveal...illuminate, debate. These things educate and give power to the kafir.
islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.
It would be nice if this refreshingly honest and insightful interview was shown all over North American, European and Aussie TV. It might wake a few more people up .... if they can fend off the pc mc dingbats who would say "It's just one imam talking crazy talk."
'Alms for the love of Allah'...There's going to be a number of former tv station owners who are will be hopping around on one foot, and collecting (hoped for) donations with their one hand...
That will teach them to spread corruption...How's that for tolerance?
The ironic thing is that if a non-Muslim were to say on TV the exact same things about Islam that this Yousuf Al-Ahmad said CAIR would be out and about crying for blood. Will Ahmed Rehab and Ibrahim Hooper denounce Al-Ahmad as a wicked Islamophobe?
If that idiot actually believes Islam is "feared" by the West he is sorely mistaken.
Islam and Allah are not feared in the USA.
One tends to fear what one does not know or understand, this is not the case with Islam or Allah.
Posted by: Ice Star
Points well taken, Ice Star. The Islamists, cocky now, will be in a different state of mind, I assure you, when the next chapter is written in the unending saga, "Why We Fight."
I have yet to see any validation of the 72 virgin thesis, but I am researching that, as we speak.
Sheik Yousuf Al-Ahmad: Islam itself casts fear...
Boy, the Sheik is a real Islamophobe! Somebody better inform CAIR!
Popular bumper sticker on camels in Saudi Arabia:
BEHEAD YOUR TELEVISION
What does the Sheik have to say about the internet, with all its pornography and bestiality websites, the latter being very popular among Moslems.
“…should be tried in an Islamic court of law and sentenced to death.”
Another reason islam is doomed to fail: show trials. This kind of incitement has led to mob rule in parts of the world. Is Al-Ahmed trying to get his target TV stations burnt to the ground? JW bloggers know from the stories posted here, it doesn’t take much to get believing zombies riled up. Of course, this Professor of Islamic law could incite violence a lot quicker if he’d studied media relations instead. It’s comedy that gets a “spontaneous emotional response to the mocking.” If you want to get a muslim horde rampaging, play on their utter lack of self-deprecating humour:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/04/magazine/04lebanon.html?pagewanted=all
It seems that Al-Ahmed’s home institution’s prior 13-14 April 2004 conference “Islamic Stands on Terrorism” has had very little staying power. The second objective of that conference was “To show the moderation of Islam and the justice of its teachings which shun violence and call for dialog, persuasion and peaceful argument.” But it seems that it is OK to call for someone’s death, as long as you include the islamic court as the process to achieve it, ergo “islamic justice and moderation.”
The humorous Objectives of said conference can be found at:
http://www.e-prism.org/images/Conference_on_Terrorism_-_April_04_Riyadh.doc
Oct 2006 – Sunni Arab TV station attacked in Baghdad.
Islam may not be feared in the West, but Muslims do not relent until it will be. They are driven and gripped by strong Satanic powers of force and coercion. They first move into a country by stealth, pretending to be nice, and when enough of them are in control they began to get more aggressive until they rule, and that is their intent, TO RULE the whole world.
Islam may not be feared in the West, but Muslims do not relent until it will be. They are driven and gripped by strong Satanic powers of force and coercion. They first move into a country by stealth, pretending to be nice, and when enough of them are in control they began to get more aggressive until they rule, and that is their intent, TO RULE the whole world.
"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom." -- Qur'an 5:33
As I've seen Hugh and Robert point out several times, and I don't think there's ever pointing it out one too many times, that that's the verse from Mein Qurampf which comes right after the one quoted by Barack Arafat Saddam Hussein Osama, in his surrender speech at that Egyptian "university" where geocentric astronomy is still taught in order not to contradict the "teachings" of the aforementioned little collection of hateful rants attributed to the mythological pedophile Mahound. I wonder if B.A.S.H.O. has ever been told about that by his circle of sycophantic islamophiles.
Signs of Islamic brainwashing and imperiousness abound here, including the knee jerk spouting of mindless Qur'anic phrases like "spread corruption in the land" and "cast fear in the hearts of the hypocrites" and calls for prosecution of TV owners through Islamic "courts." It perfectly illustrates why these guys are impossible to talk to or reason with - and gives a hint why, when push comes to shove with the West, things may turn uglier than they already are.
The problem with Islamic fundamentalists, as well with fundamentalist Christians and ultra-orthodox Jews, is that they take the words in the Qur'an, the Bible and the Torah for granted. They think those words are unchangeable, that they have to be interpreted literally and they're there to stay as if this century is the same as when they were written. Many chapters of the Holy Books are nothing but historic or mythological writings, and you must take this into account in order to interpret the rest of the Book. The Lord, Yahwe or Allah, no matter the name, is an entity of pure love, of peace and forgiveness; the punishments that supposedly He ordered to be written down are no other than the punishments that were used in the cultures on those times and those were writen by the ones who seeked to maintain power and control through religion; but societies have evolved and so have changed the customs of the people, for bloody vengeance and punishment is not now a mater of Holiness but of evil minds that try to force their own twisted, power-seeking thinking into those of their peers. The Old Testament and most of the shuras in the Qur'an were written without thinking about the future but just about the means of affirming the religion amongst the people of the time, and the main weapon for doing that was fear and terrible punishments. There're some people who just live as if it were that time and they're not at all interested in the verses and shuras that talk about love, peace, free will and equality for all, men and women alike. A bloody insane fatwa can be issued by any twisted-minded Islamic cleric, and there're are plenty of ignorants and fanatics eager to follow it. That's what the West fears, not the true Islam.
This cleric *is* 'true Islam' - 100 % proof.
jimcop tries to morally equate the Bible with the Quran.
Doesn't work.
To get an idea of the bottomless gulf that divides the Islamic concepts of god and man and the relation between them, from the Biblical concepts of god, man and divine-human relations (and by Biblical I do indeed mean what is in the TaNaKh or Old Testament, as well as what is in the Gospels) see [for readers of French] Jacques Ellul's essay 'Islam et Judeo-Christianisme', and also Mark Durie, 'Revelation? Do We Worship the Same God? Jesus, Holy Spirit, God in Christianity and Islam'. And if one goes back to Maimonides one finds him arguing that the character of allah as represented by the Muslims, is totally unlike the character of YHWH as known to the Jews.
Or we could consider the conclusions of linguist Tina Magaard, in an article that was published in Jyllandsposten, Denmark's largest newspaper, on the 10th of September 2005:
"Jyllandsposten, Denmark, 10 September 2005.
"Islam er den mest krigeriske religion
Islam is the most Warlike religion
"A Danish language researcher has spent over three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions,
*and concludes that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do* {my emphasis added - dda}.
' Four years after the terror attacks at the World Trade Center, Danish linguist Tina Magaard presents an analysis that questions Islam’s relationship with terror, violence and Holy War.
'Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far larger degree than the original texts of other religions, concludes Tina Magaard.
'She has a PhD in Textual Analysis and Intercultural Communication from the Sorbonne in Paris, and has spent three years on a research project comparing the original texts of ten religions.
“The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree.
'There are also straightforward calls for terror.
"This has long been a taboo in the research into Islam, but it is a fact that we need to deal with," says Tina Magaard.
'Moreover, there are hundreds of calls in the Koran for fighting against people of other faiths.
“If it is correct that many Muslims view the Koran as the literal words of God, which cannot be interpreted or rephrased, then we have a problem. It is indisputable that the texts encourage terror and violence. Consequently, it must be reasonable to ask Muslims themselves how they relate to the text, if they read it as it is," says Tina Magaard."
(Muslim spokesmen, of course, within Denmark, denied all this and claimed that she was taking things out of context, and that Muslims ignore the calls for violence against others. But all the denials can't obscure the obvious: that dar al Islam is saturated with violence of a very distinctive kind; and that if one reads the foundational texts, one finds that the violence is consonant with what is in the texts).
NOTE: The final paragraph of my posting above, beginning 'Muslim spokesmen, of course...', is not from the actual article about Tina Magaard. What I reproduced of the article, ends with the words, "'...if they read it as it is,' says Tina Magaard".
Whatever islam is or is not.. I would not touch it with a pole of any length.
jimcop, playing the old moral equivalence card (equating all religions as somehow being equally guilty in one respect or another) won't win you any hands at this table. It's such an old and discredited argument that I'm surprised you'd even try to use it. Or is it perhaps the case that it's still a novel concept that you only recently heard about? (In case you didn't understand what I just said, the false equivalence is in trying to extrapolate from old texts to practices based on them today. If you hadn't noticed, except in a few isolated cased you can practically count on one hand, Muslims are the only ones blowing things up around the world these days using religious justification.)
Isn't it strange that only Islam claims it to be the religion of peace.What a lie.