Hezb al-Islam, the Party of Islam, kills African peacekeepers. Will the Islamophobia never end? "Eight civilians killed in Mogadishu clashes," from AFP, September 23 (thanks to James):
MOGADISHU -- At least eight civilians were killed in Mogadishu when Islamist insurgents attacked African peacekeepers prompting an exchange of gun and artillery fire that hit civilian targets, officials and witnesses said on Wednesday.
The fighting erupted on Tuesday in southern Mogadishu's Maka Al-Mukarama road where the African peacekeepers from Uganda are stationed but it later spilled over into other areas.
"The terrorists who never tire of violence attacked the peacekeepers with rocket propelled grenades and mortars but they were pushed back to their positions," Colonel Mohamed Abdi Alin, a Somali government security officer, said on Wednesday.
"We got information indicating there were civilian casualties; some people died in the crossfire -- more than five," he added.
Witnesses also confirmed the civilian fatalities in southern Mogadishu neighbourhoods.
"Five people died in Holwadag and seven others were injured when a mortar shell struck their houses," one witness, Ibrahim Ahmed, said.
"Three out of the five died in one place, their burned bodies were found under the debris of their house," another witness, Nurto Moalim Ali, told AFP. Ali Muse, the head of Mogadishu's ambulance service, told AFP his team collected 13 injured people, three of whom subsequently died, bringing to eight the number of civilian casualties in Tuesday's clashes.
Hezb al-Islam, a rebel group allied to the Al Qaeda-inspired Shebab in the fight against the government, claimed the attack which was the heaviest in weeks.
"We attacked the enemy positions and killed several of them during heavy clashes. They started shelling Bakara market and other civilian populated areas killing many civilians," Hezb al-Islam commander Sheik Mohamed Osman said....
Stone cold killers thirsting for blood in the name of their imagined god. No, it will never end................until they end!
Nasty little buggers.
The only peace in Islam will occur when all the world is conquered for Allah.
"We attacked the enemy positions and killed several of them during heavy clashes. They started shelling Bakara market and other civilian populated areas killing many civilians," Hezb al-Islam commander Sheik Mohamed Osman said....
Don't they hear themselves using the same old saw about our shelling "civilian populated ares"? They use human shields, fire at forces from residential areas, schools and hospitals, crowded market place, and when fire returns they cry foul. It's the same in Mogadishu as in Gaza, or Swat valley, or Kabul, the same cowardly use of civilians for cover, especially women and children, and they parade their dead bodies as evidence of 'our' cruelty. They are their own worst enemy.
Only in Islam can the mind be so diabolically twisted out of reality. They and their propaganda are tiresome, boring really, and should be ignored totally. Let them protect their own in war, not sacrificing them on the altar of Mohammad's evil moon-god Al-Yllah, their Allah. The primitives act who they are, 7th century deamons in the 21st.
BOT,
It's a little hard to agree with you entirely when you consider armed forces (peace keepers?) are the ones that marched on the popultion centers....and in Gaza it's a matter of dense population centers near the entry points into the arena.
Use your head.
It doesn't matter if you label an occupation force "peace keeper"...that doesn't mean anything...not one time in history has a "peace keeping" force ever kept the peace...they are an instigator of violence by their mere presence.
Peace
Abdullah
AM: You're actually siding with the terrorists? Spewing Anti-semitism? (HAMAS started the sh*t and has a RIGHT to defend it's self and its citizens). Are you one of those "moderites" you keep telling me about?
Oops. The phrase in parenthesis should read "HAMAS/Gaza started the sh*t and Israel has a RIGHT to defend itself and citizens)
I would also add, some questions to AM: do you think Isreal should do nothing in light of the bombings? what do you think they should do? How effective do you think it would be in light of HAMAS's stated goals and definite dedication to the.erradication of Isreal? If you have any shred of honety you should answer. I await.
Maybe you could also tells us again Uncle Mikail how floggings and behandings are good because it prevents crime. That's a good one and so moderate.
Foolster,
"Spewing Anti-semitism?"
Get a freakin life dude...turn off your bias some time and read with your mouth shut, and your eyes and mind open.
UN Peacekeepers have never been able to keep the peace...AU peacekeepers are the same.
Or do you claim the UN Peacekeepers have prevented violence where they have been placed in order to "protect?"
Point of order on your Israel "questions." There is action and there are words. There is one force with capability that does not speak about stated goals but acts upon them...they both have the same intention in mind...one force is supported strongly by the US and does not have to threaten...they act. The other is weak and defending and they posture. They are the same people with the same goals...one set talks one set acts.
One is an agressive occupier who claims it all belongs to them by right.
One is an Occupied defender claiming illegitamacy of the Occupier.
Both violate laws, both need to be slapped down...but who is going to have the stones to knock sense into them both at once?
Most people are too squeamish to say it for fear of being labeled...I don't care. Ancient historical grudges is what each people has for the other...there will never be peace there.
Now, maybe you can tell us how extraordianary rendition, torture, and murder of innocent people by the CIA helps make us "more safe?" I can't quite add that up? Zero good intelligence came out of that, very bad press, vvery bad PR, and very bad long term enemies were made by it.
Not to smart, was it?
Peace
Abdullah
Boy, blew that punch line, didn't I?
Ahem..
Not too smart, was it?
: )
Peace
Abdullah
You can twist history any way you like. The fact is, HAMAS has in words and deeds put forth not just "anti-Zionist" but a nazi-like jeudenhaten philosophy that you try to white wash over. Gaza fired the first shot and Isreal has responded to defend itself with walls to stop suicide bombers (a supposed "war crime" spouted by Gazans). You never answered what Israel should to do respond to the threat of HAMAS against their citizens, just more moral equivalency ("both need to be slapped down") Sit down with tea and scones with those who say they want to "push them into the sea"? You claim I have a bias, but it seems you use that little bit too readily to try to demonize people instead of actually stopping and thinking about how you might respond if you were the PM of Isreal.
What does your CIA non-sequitor have to do with anything? It sounds to me like YOUR projecting that because I'm an american anti-jihadist conservative that I somehow approve of the Bush-era CIA tactics. I absolutely don't. Let me say that again. I DON'T. I DENOUNCE TORTURE, RENDITION AND IMPRISONMENT WITHOUT TRIAL. There, that's out the way, right?
Also, what is your opinion of floggings, behandings and beheadings as deterrents for crime? Do you think the US should implement such punishments?
Plain and simple, Hamas is a terror group!
“You can twist history any way you like.”
What the hell is this supposed to mean? I said nothing about history…I spoke of current regional affairs. Like I said, stop being so biased.
“The fact is, HAMAS has in words and deeds put forth not just "anti-Zionist" but a nazi-like jeudenhaten philosophy that you try to white wash over.”
I white wash nothing…I don’t care for apartheid systems or the people who run them…I don’t care for people who employ terrorist tactics whether they are individuals or state sponsored…to me they are both worth one 50 cal slug or a long range weapon of greater impact…then I don’t have to worry about either of them any more.
I am fed up with hearing about all the problems Israel causes through occupation, invasion, and expansion of "settlements"...I am equally fed up with all the problems Hammas causes…innocent people are the ones who suffer because of those two entities. Got it?
“You claim I have a bias, but it seems you use that little bit too readily to try to demonize people instead of actually stopping and thinking about how you might respond if you were the PM of Isreal.”
Like I said, there are words and actions. Actions speak louder than words.
“What does your CIA non-sequitor have to do with anything?”
Your position is the same as mine, conservative against some of Bush era policy…some made the world less safe and some eroded the constitutional rights of Americans.
“Also, what is your opinion of floggings, behandings and beheadings as deterrents for crime? Do you think the US should implement such punishments?”
We already have penalties just as brutal in the US …we electrocute people to death, we hang them, we lethally inject them…. sometimes we even do them three at a time…what are these for? They serve as a deterrent to crime, the criminals have to be tried and convicted and then they are punished.
All penalties exist to deter crime. If you can’t do the time, then don’t do the crime.
And you still haven’t e-mailed me…altruism or malevolence, what is your underlying theme? What is it going to be?
challengingreddyneck@yahoo.com
Peace
Abdullah
Why anyone would bother to get involved and go into that cesspool of a country is beyond me. But here goes the west again trying to help a bunch of savages
AM:
AM said:
"“What does your CIA non-sequitor have to do with anything?”
Your position is the same as mine, conservative against some of Bush era policy…some made the world less safe and some eroded the constitutional rights of Americans."
So if we agree what was the point of bringing it up? It sounded like you were trying to imply the ASSumption I somehow agreed with the bush-era tactics.
What I mean about history is you're ignoring the historical reasons behind the conflict and instead are making general statements (I.e. both are wrong). You haven't exactly denied that HAMAS is saying they want to wipe out all the Jews, but you dismiss it as "defensive" and "posturing".
You've made some vague statements to sweep my question but I really want to hear your answer what you would do as the PM of a country like Isreal that is neighboring a organization (not really a country) that wants to destroy them.
You say actions speak louder than words. This is true. Isreal has shown through their actions (building the wall, attempting to kill the terrorists who are bombing civilian areas) instead of just pointless talk.
"I am fed up with hearing about all the problems Israel causes through occupation, invasion, and expansion of "settlements"...I am equally fed up with all the problems Hammas causes…innocent people are the ones who suffer because of those two entities. Got it?"
This is what I mean, you're seeing it from the POV of the gazans. You see it as "occupation invasion and expansion" when it is fighting an enemy that wants them destroyed.
"All penalties exist to deter crime. If you can’t do the time, then don’t do the crime." Again, a Muslim who praises the brutal Shiara law of stonings and amputations! You say that we're all biased, and the Islam is moderate but it turns out all along you were an extremist! Anyone who supports behandings, floggings and stoning are EXTREMISTS. They say admission is the first step.
And don't delude yourself. There is no way that current practices in the US is nearly as brutal as floggings and stoning. (we haven't used the electric chair in the last 40-something years!)