And surpass it in mayhem. "Bomb plot suspect ordered to NY to face charge," by Robert Boczkiewicz for Reuters, September 25 (thanks to all who sent this in):
DENVER, Sept 25 (Reuters) - An immigrant from Afghanistan who was arrested in a federal anti-terrorism investigation was ordered on Friday to be moved to New York to face a charge of plotting bomb attacks in the United States.
Najibullah Zazi, 24, a shuttle bus driver at Denver's airport who has been linked by authorities to al Qaeda, is accused of receiving bomb-making instructions during a trip to Pakistan last year, then buying and preparing chemicals for use in home-made explosives like those in the 2005 London subway and bus bombings.
A grand jury in New York has charged Zazi, a legal U.S. resident born in Afghanistan, under federal anti-terrorism laws with conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction, an offense outlined in an indictment unsealed on Thursday. He faces a maximum penalty of life in prison if convicted.
Law enforcement experts have called the alleged conspiracy, if proven, one of the most significant security threats in the United States since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
The investigation came to light earlier this month after Zazi drove across the country from Colorado, arriving in New York City on Sept. 10 in a rental car in which authorities say he carried a laptop computer with bomb-making notes.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Tim Neff, arguing in court that Zazi would remain in custody, said the evidence shows "a chilling, disturbing sequence of events that indicate the defendant was intent on making a bomb and being in New York on 9/11, perhaps using such items."...
September 11, 2001 - A date dear to the primitive savage hate-filled Islamic Barbarians.
Ab Mik would understand, the primitive savage hate-filled (brainwashed) Islamic Barbarian.
He faces a maximum penalty of life in prison if convicted.
He should die if they prove the case. No doubt in my mind that it will be easy to prove.
But wait. The Anointed One, our esteemed new President, has declared that the war on Islamic terror is not only a misnomer but nonexistent. So, how can this be?
Oh, a la Susan Sarandon, why do they hate us so much? Surely it must be our fault. Yes, that's it. Islam is innocent and the West is guilty, a la Obama's Cairo speech in June.
Barack "My Muslim faith" Hussein Obama is a Mohammedan. That's why.
Case Closed.
Hussein Obama - "My Muslim faith" - youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M
OffT but kind of OnT:
Where's Mikeymike?
He owes us like 70 references he promised he could bring to the table....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/09/nonie-says-that-she-hopes.html#comments
MikeMike, I'll rib you once I know you read it...
Peace
Abdullah
Why are so many Americans still blind to the eminate threat we are up against? I have been trying to tell my mom and she said talking about it that way just makes me sound racist and just like them. I dont feel it does. I dont wish harm on ANYONE!! Thats the difference between me and them.
It's no use, AM. Trying to inculpate Jews of whatever persuasion is a dead end for all those who love truth and freedom. Besides, any rabbinical statement notwithstanding, surely even you know that if Israel were only left alone it wouldn't terminate the life of a single Arab Muslim and yet, if the Arab Muslim world had its way, Israel itself would cease to exist (please note too that Muslims in Israel have far greater freedom than not only Jews and Christians in Muslim countries but Muslims themselves in Muslim lands-----perhaps this irony will not be lost even on you).
Islam breeds hate and intolerance. One knows this or should know it. Judaism and every other major religion on earth do not in the many tangible ways Islam does. As I've maintained several times before, Islam will always be a death cult for a certain percentage of Muslims when they don't get their way. About no other religion can this even remotely be said. Your continued defense of a religion founded by a psychopath is no more convincing than Joseph Goebbels' defense of Hitler and Nazism. History is replete with misguided souls who are prepared to defend the indefensible. You are a sterling case in point.
Too bad we can't use any "enhanced methods" to get any info out of him. Nice to know that our high mindedness is so respected and feared throughout the world.
"...perhaps usiing such items" - YA THINK?!
OT/but Same Topic...
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/6226935/Pakistan-discovers-village-of-white-German-al-Qaeda-insurgents.html
Hey Hoopster!! Exactly WHAT "race" is a muslim again?
Your failing in understanding is not my concern. You have a low opinion because of the trough you tend to feed your mind with is full of garbage.
Maybe there is an American on here that doesn't know what we backed in Bosnia under the Clinton administration. Here is a quote from the elected Bosnian leader Alija Izetbegovic. Just so that we all remember what "we" are all up against here.
"... The first and foremost of such conclusions is surely the one on the incompatibility of Islam and non-Islamic systems. There can be no peace or coexistence between the "Islamic faith" and non- Islamic societies and political institutions. ... Islam clearly excludes the right and possibility of activity of any strange ideology on its own turf. Therefore, there is no question of any laicistic principles, and the state should be an expression and should support the moral concepts of the religion. ..."
"... Establishing of an Islamic order is thus shown as the ultimate act of democracy, because it means the implementation of the deepest desires of the Muslim nations and common man. One thing is certain: no matter what a part of the rich and the intelligence wants, the common man wants Islam and living in his Islamic community. ..."
"... In one of the thesis for an Islamic order today we have stated that it is a natural function of the Islamic order to gather all Muslims and Muslim communities throughout the world into one. Under present conditions, this desire means a struggle for creating a great Islamic federation from Morocco to Indonesia, from the tropical Africa to the Central Asia. ..."
I guess if 25% of the U.S. elected this guy and then unilaterally seceded from the union we wouldn’t attack? … Man wouldn’t that suck if we were winning and the U.N. started importing jihadists from Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the Sudan into the area to rape your women, behead your soldiers, cut their genitals off, skin them alive, and roast them over fires? Imagine if that happened in your back yard how crazy things might get. That would suck.
Just so everyone is crystal clear who "we" (Americans) were helping in their jihad against Serbians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9NlDeb0bSI Bosnian Muslims crying wolf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFb0-wWF2Nw 1:45
A "nice" scene where Bosnian Muslims have a bomb factory, the all time lowest is the plastic ice-cream cone bomb. Muslims all class all the time. To our Bosnian Muslim "allies": Do you wait until the kid pretends to lick it to trigger the explosion, or is there a pressure plate rigged for when the kids tongue presses on it?
Ah, AM. don't sugarcoat your objection to my objections that way. Next time, just give it to me straight. I can take it.
Meanwhile, though I know you won't address this issue since I've posed it to you before with no response, Israeli-Arab Muslims enjoy far more freedoms than do Muslims in any Muslim-dominated country on earth. Oh yeah, Muslims in the West, like you, also enjoy freedoms simply nonexistent in Muslim lands, like the liberty to preach their faith unimpeded, seek converts and build their houses of worship (talk about being parasitical). Hey, how many Christian churches exist in Saudi Arabia? Think the Copts in Egypt are getting a square deal? What about non-Muslims in Iran? Your hypocrisy is glaring, as it is of your entire religion.
Mom of 2 princesses
try giving your mom a list of assorted 'white Muslims', the converts to Islam who are of Euro/ Western ancestry and upbringing, who have been caught plotting violent jihad against their own kith and kin and fellow citizens.
Here in Australia we have had Shane Kent and David Hicks - sandy-haired blue-eyed freckly-faced Aussies, converting to Islam and getting stuck into the jihad. And google 'Jihad Sheilas' to find out about a couple of dangerous female converts.
In the USA most recently and notoriously you've had the Boyd Bros from North Carolina.
Britain has had a few, too.
Stress to your mom that Islam isn't a race, it's a gang, and an ideology. Criticising and questioning and fighting against Nazism wasn't being 'racist' against ethnic Germans. Criticising and fighting against Jihad and Sharia isn't being 'racist' against Arabs (even though it is possible to argue that Islam is a vehicle and agent of Arab supremacism and imperialism, just as Nazism was a vehicle of 'Aryan' supremacism and imperialism), nor against any others of the assorted people groups, such as the Malay or the Somalis, the Turks or the Persians, who have been wholly or in part swallowed up by the Ummah, or Muslim Mob.
Ethoman
from the Izetbegovic screed, here is a very telltale passage:
"Establishing of an Islamic order is thus shown as the ultimate act of democracy, because it means the implementation of the *deepest desires* of the Muslim nations *and common man*. One thing is certain: no matter what a part of the rich and the intelligence wants, *the common man wants Islam* and living in his Islamic community" {my emphases added - dda}.
Underlying this is the Islamic dogma that all people are 'really' born Muslim. One sees it in the so-called Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam which claims that - 'Islam is the religion of unspoiled nature".
Which is nonsensical, on the face of it; but perhaps there *is* another way to look at it. All one requires is the ruthlessly realistic Christian doctrine that 'everyone is a sinner'; that there is a deep darkness in the human heart, a part of us that is drawn toward evil. Then one can greet the Cairo Declaration's proud claim that Islam is the 'religion of unspoiled nature' with a scathing riposte - "Yeah: unspoiled Nature alright, Nature red in tooth and claw".
And we can look at the 'everyone born Muslim' claim, with the eyes of John Quincy Adams, 1829:
"THE ESSENCE OF HIS {i.e. Mohammed's} DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST:
"TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE [the caps are John Quincy Adams']."
Or with the eyes of Nonie Darwish, apostate from Islam, in her book about Sharia, 'Cruel and Usual Punishment', who makes essentially the same point as Adams did 200 years ago:
"The cutthroat desert environment produced men who understood what makes people surrender and submit in desperation. *They understood the dark part of human psyche and how to manipulate and enslave it* {my emphasis - dda} because they had been doing it to each other for generations and their physical environment had been doing it to them for a longer time..." (p. 194)
and again,
"While some religions cater to the side of humanity that seeks fairness and the golden rule - to treat your neighbor the way you want to be treated - *Islam discovered and preserved the side of humanity that wants to take from others, subjugate others, and perhaps even be subjugated to reinforce the feeling of victimhood* {my emphasis - dda}. Islam exploits the dark side found in all of us to different degrees".
"Your failing in understanding is not my concern. You have a low opinion because of the trough you tend to feed your mind with is full of garbage." For one thing, if you were so unconcerned you would not be posting here. Also, you seem to have the same sort of answer for most people here. Have you considered that you are not all that persuasive? If you moved off of the middle school taunts, people might take you more seriously. However, I suspect that you just fill pages to fill pages, rather than accomplish anything.
Task: Get Mr. Zazi to talk about what's going on.
Problem Encountered: Suspect uncooperative.
Operational Method: Non-lethal/no physical injury permitted.
Solution: Wrap suspect in raw bacon.
A fair guess that about 2 inches before piece number one touches his body, he'll talk.
Cheers !
Kenny Solomon
South Flori-duh.
You get it. Your mother doesn't. That's how it is right now for you. I know it's frustrating, but take pride in yourself that at least YOU are able to see the truth.
Worry01 said about Abdullah Mike:
"However, I suspect that you just fill pages to fill pages, rather than accomplish anything."
I just finished watching Chariots of Fire, and it struck me that there are many different reasons why people try to excel. Harold Abrahams ran to prove that he was as good as anyone else, which he was. Eric Liddell ran to honor God. Other athletes, poets, musicians, writers, engineers, teachers, pastors and a myriad of others strive for the big prize and many of them achieve it, and those who don't often times grow and learn along the way.
Not so with Islam. What does Islam create? It seeks to create a world where everything is controlled, freedom of thought and actions are restricted and going outside of the boundaries will get you killed. But why? Why is Islam so lacking in imagination and creativity? Are the adherents of Islam so utterly devoid of any kind of ideas on how to improve the world around them, are they so insecure in their seeming inability to take the first step and possibly make a mistake in their quest to be the best at something, anything, that they would rather control everyone and everybody so that no one will find out how impotent they are?
Islam is the biggest cop out on the planet, even more so than Soviet style Communism, yet they both seek the same thing, no dissent, no new ideas, no joy, no laughter, no worshiping the true God and no consideration for the feelings of others. Better to kill them than somebody find out how insecure they are.
As for Abdullah Mike, he sure does protest a lot but can't stay away, can he? He's like the moth to the flame, coming back time and time again to drop little bombs and have them explode in his own face. In your charity pray for him, and pity him. He really is an excellent representative of the religion of "peace".
"It [Islam]seeks to create a world where everything is controlled, freedom of thought and actions are restricted and going outside of the boundaries will get you killed." - Isabella
Right. That's called a totalitarian ideology. You might want to read Hannah Arendt. I found this:
"In "The Origins of Totalitarianism," Hannah Arendt argues that Nazi and Communist regimes were new forms of government, and not merely updated versions of the old tyrannies. According to Arendt, the source of the mass appeal of totalitarian regimes is their ideology, which provides a comforting, single answer to the mysteries of the past, present, and future. For Nazism, all history is the history of racial struggle; and, for Marxism, all history is the history of class struggle. Once that premise is accepted, all actions of the regime could be justified by appeal to Nature or the Law of History."
So, what is the "comforting, single answer" in Islam? I would say it's that they are right, everyone else is wrong, the Jews need to be exterminated, and everyone else non-Moslem, too. As we know, Muslims have accepted that premise, and feel completely justified in their hate, violence, and murder. Which makes Islam as dangerous as Nazism. And we are merrily letting in people who follow this totalitarian ideology, and they are procreating more followers of this totalitarian ideology. Talk about lambs to the slaughter (us), just like in Western Europe.
Americans can thank their State Department for dolling out 2 bil of tax-payers money to Jordan, every year.. the same tax payers, Jordanians killed on 9/11. Then again, how does it matter to POTUS/Sec of state? Once they have American votes, they also have American treasurey.
Double whamy for Aamericans, then again, they voted these crooks to office, while discarding patriots like Tom Tancredo.
Well, karma is coming back to bite American voters in the rear.....
This is the type of person that those who oppose security measures such as the PATRIOT ACT want to protect...
Well, while I do agree with the basic idea behind the patriot act, I think it did overstep the bounds of the constitution in some respects, in terms of wiretaps and surveillance and rights. It's a delicate balance, though I agree that if there was anyone these laws were ever necessary for, this guy is one of them.
ab nik boy accusing others of feeding their mind with trash? This from the guy whose life revolves around the deranged rantings of a 7th century mass murdering serial rapist pedophile warlord assassin torturer psychotic and psychopath? This from the guy who probably can't go for a long walk because he has to throw himself over a moth eaten rug 5 times a day because the above "profit"- spelling mistake intentional. The guy who thinks that God, ,if he or she existed would pick such a creature to bring his her messages to humanity.
And we're the ones who fail to understand????????
fightback - that's a great comment.
Yes, Ab Mik is a slave, no doubt about it. And, they do consider themselves to be slaves to "allah." Even Jesus is a "slave to allah." Can you imagine believing that Jesus is a slave to a non-existent Arabian pagan moon god? Islam is so pitiful.
What is the significance of 9/11? Did something happen in the recent past, say about 8 years ago?
dumbledoresarmy,
Hello ... well yes we all have been learning a lot over the years with Roberts books, and many many debates here. I really appreciate your efforts I have seen them over the years, and I think you have done a lot to educate people in a non-hateful way which is very nice, and logical. It works. Personally I think we are at an impasse though, because we have refused to put Serbia in context. I have spent the last year or so actually talking to Serbians, getting their story ... not shutting them out, and dismissing them, like I have seen done here many times. Not something I am accusing you of, but people still do this. I realize keeping Serbia out of the debate ,from a theological standpoint, makes the argument less difficult due to the ethnic and inter-Christian complications which the former Yugoslavia posses. Essentially I think that when you are looking for a social/cultural model to conceptualize Islamization in the west we can not ignore Bosnia, and we can not continue to demonize the Serbs, because to do so ignores the glaringly obvious pitfall, which is that Serbia is actually us multiplied by a large magnitude of Islamization. After talking with them I have come to realize (in my own way) what it would be like to have Middle Eastern jihadists running through your neighborhood ... and after hearing the sort of horrors these animals were doing to the Serbs ... I honestly can not say I personally wouldn't respond in a similar way. All I have to say is that I have heard first hand accounts from people I can trust, civilians and soldiers alike ... and the demonizaion of the Serbs has to stop not only because it is wrong, but because long term it is to our own detriment not to put it into context. Our government painted a picture for us, which needs to be dispelled if we are to move forward.
Abdullah,
Since you seem to have abandoned the thread this question came from, I'm going to ask it again.
I have one question; a simple yes or no question:
Do you think that Nonie Darwish should be put to death for her "treason" against Islam?
Answer this one question please. It's a very simple question.
ethoman,
"after hearing the sort of horrors these animals were doing to the Serbs ... I honestly can not say I personally wouldn't respond in a similar way."
I'm still trying to track down the precise reference for a quote by Milosevic: It was during his own defense at The Hague, I believe, where he showed the court pictures of Islamic beheadings of Serbs and rhetorically told them, to paraphrase, "When Muslims come to your village and start doing this, you will understand why we did what we had to do."
Ethoman - thank you for the testimonial. I've avoided getting entangled in arguments about the Balkan thing. Complicating factors are Nazism (which infected the Croats rather badly) and the hate between Croats and Serbs, Catholic and Orthodox (which of course is a classic dhimmi vs. dhimmi division); my own constant prayer as a Christian is that, somehow, both groups may experience a deep revival of spiritual life which will enable them to forgive each other...because *then* they will be able to help each other resist the Mohammedan assault which is both spiritual and physical.
I wouldn't be surprised if in the Balkans there have been and are Mohammedan infiltrators in deep-cover, hard at work stirring up extra trouble between Serbs and Croats by telling lies to each about the other, or by manufacturing 'incidents' while pretending to be one or the other. It wouldn't be the first time the Mohammedans have used that tactic: it goes all the way back to a chap named Nu'aym (see Truth About Muhammad, p.p 127-128). The last thing the Muslims want is for Serb and Croat to be reconciled!
You're Australian? I have a kind of idea that you are. If so: if you're ever in Canberra, pay a visit to the little Serbian church there - The Free Serbian Orthodox Church of St George, in the suburb of Forrest.
"Murals depicting biblical scenes and Serbian history cover the walls and line the ceiling of this replica of an ancient Serbian village church. It is the work of the late Karl Matzek and was completed just before his death, at the age of 87."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Matzek
I *think* the great battle of 1389 against the Muslims, is the centrepiece.
Way back in 1984 I was in Canberra and we visited that church - it's one of the tourist attractions - I remember being rather stunned, as a naive young Australian, by the sight of a church whose entire ceiling was covered with a very vivid and violent battle scene. I didn't know *anything* about the Islamic invasion of the Balkan region. I know better now...
http://serbian.wetpaint.com/page/Free+Serbian+Orthodox+Church+Community+Parish+St.+George+Canberra
Australian jihadwatchers, if they get the chance, are urged to visit that church, just stand inside, contemplate the paintings - having first looked up 'Legacy of Jihad' (sections dealing with the Islamic conquest and rule of the Balkan region) or else the relevant bits of Fregosi's 'Jihad in the West'.
dumbledoresarmy, Hesperado,
I have gotten into the Croatian/Serbian "thing" if you will and it is a weird one to pin down because Tito covered up a lot of what happened in WW2 between Croatian Nazi and the Serbs, but I did find a document that the U.S. intelligence service produced, which documented the number of Serbs which were murdered in the Balkans during WW2, and it was 3/4 of a million, by the Croatians ... I even saw someone on here talking about Italians saving Jews, well they were also killing Serbs as well to the tune of 44,000. As you can see from our experience with them that Serbs just aren't the type of people that are going to play ball with foreign powers, they'll fight you rather than go with the flow, this trait of theirs has cost them dearly with the Turks, Nazi's, and yes even us. The best thing I can think of in regards to the Croatian thing is that they will never admit what happened, or at least the magnitude of it, and I think they fear the Serbs. This is why the Croatians ally with the Bosnians sort of to offset Serbian power, but inside Bosnia from what I have read Croatians don't intermingle with Bosnians, they are separate. I don't think the Croatians are enjoying the current sharing of Bosnia with Muslims under the Dayton Accords. I have heard many things ... once I heard that the Croatians on some occasions were even hiding behind the Serbs for protection from the Muslims, then I've heard Croatians claim that they were in "Serbian death camps". I'm pretty sure the "death camp", was a civilian detention area in a war zone, because as I told the guy the Serbs must really suck at the whole "death camp" thing, because he is still alive.
As far as the Dayton Accords are concerned the time frame for them was up like 8 months ago or so. They will be reviewed at some point in the near future, because the society was to be reintegrated by now, and protected by its own multi-cultural defense force. Well surprise surprise the Christians there do not want to live with the Muslims, and vice versa, and they find it difficult to share power. Looking at the whole Yugo thing from a western perspective is really confusing, basically Tito had a lid on all of the multicultural/multiethnic strife, after he died it all started to unravel, and people started to gravitate towards nationalistic parties. Then there is the whole Kosovo issue, which was basically a welfare state within Yugoslavia. Tito facilitated Albanian immigration into the province over the years. They got jobs, and education and social services, but over time the Albanians became a majority in the province and they weren't happy with the type of jobs, or their role in the administration of the state. The greater the % the Albanians became of the population the greater the welfare burden it became. One statistic I read said that Kosovar Albanians had the highest % of students, and highest % of illiteracy in Yugoslavia. As Albanian terrorists ran the last of the Montenegrins, and Serbians out of the province, they ran the people out that knew how to run it ... they didn't get the power or wealth they thought they would get, by running the others off. It just made the situation worse, because those abilities to administer weren't replaced, and now it is basically a narco-terror state. A classic welfare state. I can tell you that all of the things the Serbs are accused of, which are unsavory ... we are also guilty of, and if you look at the reasons why the Serbs were doing some of these things you will understand that it was done in retaliation to get the Muslims to stop behaving ... well like Muslims. We all know what Islam permits men to do with women they capture during war. I'll just leave it at that.
Rewinding here a bit, but I really doubt there can be a resolution in the near future between Serbs and Croatians, just too much blood between them now, and I'm sorry to say the Croatians just seems sort of arrogant, and they wont admit the magnitude of what happened. One of the events that sparked the war in Bosnia was an incident at a wedding party where a Croatian, and Bosnian man murdered several people and injured the Priest. The Islamic government would not prosecute the case, perhaps because Christians are not allowed to testify against Muslims. I've never gotten the full story. After that the Serbs started to police themselves, and the para-military groups were by ethnicity and area. I've heard that Muslim groups were abducting women at check points, which they would set up ... sound familiar? I've come out of the whole experience feeling really horrible about our involvement, and how the whole thing was sold to us. It has been hard enough to integrate Catholic/Protestant in the west ... let alone Islam. I think this is one of the reasons why the Serbs have to be demonized, because anything other than that, and we will have to admit that our cultural "melting pot" theory, which the foundation of our entire culture is built upon has a major flaw in regards to its latest experiment. ISLAM!!!
Anyways I'm from California, and yeah Eastern Orthodox churches are works of art (I'm Baptized Catholic, but in my search through things I have become interested in Eastern Orthodox ... there are some interesting differences. It would be nice if a Serb could come on here and maybe point out errors on my part or add something I have left out. It is a complex story.
It certainly did as we know, and Bin Laden picked that date to carry out the 9/11 atrocity because it is the anniversary of the Jihad being driven back from Vienna - 11th September 1683, and also the anniversary of the crushing Ottoman defeat at the battle of Zenta on 11th September 1697, plus the anniversary of the Turks being driven off Malta in 1565. In the mind of the Jihadis, 9/11 marks the start of the third Jihad, but our leaders won't cotton on to that through political correctness.