Eurabia is already proving to be a fruitful recruiting ground for the jihadists. "A German Jihad Colony: Islamists in Pakistan Recruit Entire Families from Europe," by Yassin Musharbash and Holger Stark for Spiegel, September 21 (thanks to Davida):
What a surprise!The German government is trying to secure the release of a group of suspected German Islamists who were arrested by Pakistani authorities while making their way to a jihadist colony in the Waziristan region along the Afghan-Pakistani border. Entire families from Germany are moving to the region to join the jihad.
The young speaker, who calls himself "Abu Adam," praises the stay in the mountains -- almost as if he were shooting an ad for a family holiday camp. "Doesn't it appeal to you? We warmly invite you to join us!" Abu Adam says, raising his index finger. He lists all the things this earthly paradise has to offer: hospitals, doctors, pharmacies as well as a daycare center and school -- all, of course, "a long way from the front." After all, they don't want the children to be woken up by the roar of guns.
The latest recruitment video from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) is a half-hour in length and is addressed to our "beloved" brothers and sisters back in Germany. The video is presented by, among others, Mounir Chouka, alias "Abu Adam," who grew up in the western German city of Bonn.
The video shows shacks erected against a backdrop of lush greenery and craggy rock formations. Women wearing blue burqas are seen surrounded by their children. One small girl is holding an artillery gun.
Welcome to the wild world of Waziristan, the region along the Afghan-Pakistani border controlled by Pashtun tribes, al-Qaida and other splinter groups which has become a regular target of US drones and their remote-controlled missiles.
Islamists Recruiting Entire Families
The ad for Waziristan appears to be finding fertile ground in Germany. Security officials here believe the IMU is currently the largest and most active Islamic group recruiting in the country. But there's an unusual development here, too -- militants don't normally recruit women and children as the IMU appears to be doing. The families move to mujahedeen villages in the rough terrain which are used as bases for supporting the battle against the US troops and the Afghan army.
The German government in Berlin is also examining the propaganda offensive. For several weeks, diplomats in the German Foreign Ministry have been negotiating with Islamabad over the fate of a group of suspected Islamists from Germany's Rhineland region who have been held in custody in Pakistan for several months now. The group includes a young Tunisian and six Germans, including Andreas M. of Bonn, a Muslim convert, and his Eritrean wife Kerya....
The Pakistani government has signalled that it might not prosecute the group for entering the country illegally or for supporting a terrorist organization and instead put the Germans on a plane back to Frankfurt....
Here is the first place they should look.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Calais-Immigrant-Jungle-Evacuation-French-Police-To-Dismantle-Camp-At-Dawn/Article/200909315385790?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15385790_Calais_Immigrant_Jungle_Evacuation%3A_French_Police_To_Dismantle_Camp_At_Dawn
Apparently the French authorities are moving to dismantle an illegal encampment of illegal Afghan refugees. Maybe they can send them to Pakistan.
Off you go, O aspiring jihadist families. Leave Europe by all means; but don't. come. back.
The Infidel authorities, in Germany for example, could rid themselves of quite a few Mohammedans simply by letting these idiots leave the country...and then when they are known to have gone to Jihad Vacation Camp in Waziristan, or wherever, then POOF! their German citizenship or residency or whatever-it-is, evaporates in that instant, right along with any 'benefits' they've been drawing from the German welfare system.
Buh-bye.
If the German government had any brains, it would simply tell the Pakistanis that they can keep the Jihadis.
I think it is good that these Muslims moved from Germany to Pakistan. I think such things should be encouraged, and that once these Muslim families leave the West that they should not be allowed to return.
The Germans are getting as sad as the British government for God's sake! let those converts die in the pak or afganistan. let them go meet their allah in hell!
From the article:
"six Germans, including Andreas M. of Bonn, a Muslim convert, and his Eritrean wife Kerya".
Or, more correctly: "six Muslims who currently hold German citizenship, including Andreas M. of Bonn, an ethnic German convert to Islam, and his Eritrean Muslim wife, Kerya".
Yet another convert to Islam who, like so many others we have seen, has become an 'Islamist' (i.e. who seems to think that his new faith requires him to make war upon non-Muslims...even non-Muslims of his own ethnicity; or against other Muslims deemed-insufficiently-Islamic).
He isn't, strictly speaking, 'German' any more. He is, in fact - the more piously Muslim he is - now supposed to *overthrow* the German state, and replace it with an Islamic state.
Here is something that one of our number posted during the IntenseDebate era, sometime in the first half of this year; I copied and saved it, but not the date and time, alas. It's a sharing of what the poster learned from reading a book by an American convert to Islam (who seems to have been of the more benign 'my private Islam' variety):
Here it is:
"Jeff Lang is an American Muslim convert. Unlike most Muslims we hear about around here, he's very honest and I believe truthfully working toward a real transformation of Islam into a peaceful ideology. He is accomplishing this in part by steadily analyzing many of the "authentic" hadith and demonstrating that they cannot be true.
"But as Robert has pointed out many times, one can only reform what one admits has a problem, and Lang readily does, in his 1997 book "Even Angels Ask."
"What does Lang have to say about the impact of Islamic jurisprudence?
'A minority of Muslims ... believes that we must remain cognizant of the historical context of Muhammad's actions and sayings and that if we are to apply his example correctly, we must be alert to the many differences that exist between his time and ours...
'The main assumption behind the stricter approach is that the best and most efficient way to derive moral and spiritual benefit from Muhammad's life example is by imitating him as closely as possible'. (p. 104)
Further:
'Almost all Muslim religious leaders ... uphold the classical dar al Islam/dar al harb concept ...
'This poses a very difficult personal dilemma for many converts, *because it seems to them that to become a Muslim, they are required to become enemies of their own countries* {my emphasis added - dda} (p. 119)
"And Lang writes of his own experience attending a Muslim lecture at an American mosque in the early 1980s:
'The second lecture was given by Hisham, a very bright medical student who had been studying in America for almost two years. I [Lang] liked and respected Hisham very much...
'Hisham spoke that night about a Muslim's duties and responsibilities... His speech was very moving and had been running about an hour when he closed it with the following unexpected and stern remark.
'"Finally, we must never forget--and this is extremely important--that *as Muslims, we are obligated to desire, and when possible to participate in, the overthrow of any non-Islamic government--anywhere in the world--in order to replace it by an Islamic one* {my emphasis - dda}."
'"Hisham!" I [Lang] interrupted. "Are you implying that Muslim American citizens are to commit themselves to the destruction of the U.S. government?--That they are to be a fifth column in America--a secret revolutionary group seeking to overthrow the government? Do you mean that when an American converts to Islam he must commit himself to political treason?!"
'I thought that by presenting Hisham with a very extreme scenario, it would force him to soften or qualify his statement. He looked down at the floor as he pondered my question momentarily. Then he looked at me with an expression that reminded me of a doctor about to break the news to his patient that his tumor is malignant.
"Yes," he said. "Yes, that's true." (p. 117).' END QUOTE.
Andreas M. is doing exactly what 'Hisham' saw as incumbent upon any convert to Islam.
And he is, therefore, a traitor to Germany.
Germany should condemn him to permanent exile.
I've got to agree with the above comments. The German government should be doing everything it can to encourage its Pakistanis and its other Moslems to go to Pakistan and/or Afghanistan and join the jihad. And then revoking the citizenship or residency of all of them on the grounds that they've taken service in the armed forces of an hostile power.
And Britain should be doing everything it can to encourage its Pakistanis to follow the example of their compatriots in Germany. And make sure their many wives and children go with them; don't leave any "anchor-children" behind.
It's no longer what the German government ought to do. They have already done it: they have got all these wonderful citizens committed to Germany's destruction, back home. The clever Pakistan govt didn't waste a moment in sending all of them, except the Tunisian as requested by the Germans, back to Germany. Do the German people deserve this?
Don't forget to thank 9/11 POTUS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3814013.stm
I think it's a great idea! Muslim families SHOULD move to Dar al Islam! Europe has way too many Muslims, so does the US come of think of it, maybe they should start running that add here.
I was going to ask why, eight years after 9/11, our rulers permit Muslims with valid passports to enter America. Ditto permitting American Muslims to travel with impunity to counties like Pakistan with active, jihad, terror training camps? But just what is the deference, for the purpose of national security, between Pakistan and Londonstan or Munichstan? Hell, forget the danger posed by the march of Eurabia, what about the rise of Deabornistan?
I’ll ask instead does anyone know how we the people can use the ballet box to compel our rulers to do what must be done to provide for the common defense?
What city do you think good Muslims will nuke first?
The family that Jihads together............................. eventually gets blow apart by a suicide bomb.
German converts to Islam invariably become terrorists, sooner or later, only a matter of time. The Sauerland group was also recruited by the IMU, but according to the defence solicitors the IMU doesn't exist. Seems to be pretty real to me.
I used to live in Godesberg which is part of Bonn. It was very nice at that time, Bonn was the capital and the place was really multicultural, it was great. Now when I go back to see my Mom, I'm always disgusted. No international flair anywhere but veiled women everywhere. Back in the nineties they built the King Fahd academy an Islamic centre with mosque and I a lot of hate mongers. The district president of Cologne tried to close that "academy" a couple of years ago, as the people of Bonn had finally found out that their teachings were not compatible with Western values. But the German government didn't allow that. The district president was even summoned to Berlin and got reprimanded by the foreign secretary. That's the way life goes in dhimmi Germany. No wonder, the convert is from Bonn.
Dumbledore's Army wrote:
Off you go, O aspiring jihadist families. Leave Europe by all means; but don't. come. back...
Buh-bye.
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Aah, DDA--if only this were true! Instead, Germany--and, no doubt, many other Western nations--are wasting their political capital and energy in trying to "rescue" these nominal Germans, which they will then have to return to Germany, and then spend time and money prosecuting.
It also ensures that, when these Jihadists have served their terms--or worse, been released because not enough solid evidence could be gathered from a hostile region half-way around the world--that they will once again be in Germany--to foment their next act of terrorism, perhaps this time aimed at their German or European benefactors.
Madness. Your suggestion is much better.
The only ones I feel badly for is the children. Who but Muslims would pull their children away from a civilized, modern country with a fine educational system and lots of opportunity, for a brutal, primitive warzone?
The God-accursed Morton Abramowitz, the worst of the worst of the worst of the neocons went Satanic vilifying Uzbekistan's tough apparatchik Islam Karimov for "unreasonable persecution" of both the murderous IMU and the incidious Hizb ut-Tahrir pushing for the World Islamic Califate. Abramowitz created the International Crisis Group, a cult of pure evil that includes high-powered American and European officials and ex-officials such as England's Jack Straw, the Israel-persecuting Iran-aider, the corrupt, terrorist-aiding Finnish ex-president and UN expert on dirty work Martti Ahtisaari and war criminal US Army Gen. Wesley Clark (ret.). ICG is driven to do evil around the world, seemingly for the sake of evil. But there is a pattern to this evil insanity: absolutely everything the cultists do is intended to: 1) please Muslims and win their good graces, and 2) hurt Russia and China by directing the Global Jihad against them and away from the West. Hense, the ICG's active role in the slander, scourging and crucifiction of Serbia, that serves both those purposes. The crucifiers had chosen Serbia as a victim because it resisted Muslims, and to use it for "practice" to do the same to Russia later. Never mind that the Serbs are not Russian. Never mind that they had been unfailingly loyal to the West, refusing to join the Soviet block, and even siding with the West against their Russian kin during the Cold War. Because they ARE related to the Russians, and share their Ortodox Christian faith, the Western Sociopath designated Serbia a "mini-Russia", or a "surrogate Russia" as someone called it, a "realistic model" to workout on for the future destruction of Russia.
Hence, the seemingly illogical all-out backing for jihad in the formerly Soviet countries of Central Asia. The idea is to sweep away the formerly Communist apparatchiks ruling them, who proved to be astonishingly capable at beating jihadists. The ICG want an Islamic Califate in this vast region wedged between Russia and China, in the belief that the jihad there will flare out against Russia and China, and "suck in" the jihad inferno from the rest of the Islamic world and give the West "peace in their time". The US government is not any better than the ICG. Both the CIA and the State Dept. fully share that agenda and work hand-in-glove with the neoliberal-neocons and other Russia-haters. Hence, the State Dept.-aided "color revolution" that brought down the friendly, trustful Kyrgyzstan's apparatchik Askar Akayev in March of 2005. Hence, an attempt to aid an "Islamic Revolution" in Uzbekistan just 2 months later. The latter's apparatchik Karimov swiftly crushed the jihad putsch to the consternation of the US State Dept. that handed the putschists $25 million of our tax dollars. And then, Karimov, formerly as friendly as Akayev, kicked the US military out of the strategic air base Karshi-Khanabad, or "K-2" as the US military called it.
The whole strategy is openly outlined by Brzezinski in his book "The Grand Chessboard" that came out in Oct. 1997.
That's what the world is to the Western sociopaths: a chessboard, or a board game such as "Risk!" or "Stratego".
And the Stratego enthusiasts are now losing big. Losing everywhere. Active in this game that is as losing as it is immoral are the neoliberal-neocons, most of whom are Jews, former Jews, part-Jews, anti-Jewish Jews, or with some other kind of Jewish background. And yet, their blind hate toward Russia has lead them into unholy, and ultimately suicidal alliances with the Islamo-Nazis, Croat Nazis, Estonian Nazis, and Nazistic, rabidly anti-Russian West Ukranian UNA UNSO totalitarian nationalists. And with the poisonous Brzezinski who had just called on Obamus Carterus to defend Iran from Israel and shoot down any Israeli planes who try to bomb Iran. Brzezinski, who enthusiastically backed sacrificing Serbia to please the Muslims, is just as eager to sacrifice Israel. And NNs are on his side. Jewish NNs such as "judge" Richard Goldstone, who began by persecuting the entire nation of Serbia, and is now doing the same to Israel. The NNs are enemies of Israel and Zionism, no matter what they say. And they are traitors to Western civilization who can only expect Chamberlain's rewards from its appeasement of the Global Jihad and the efforts to "Cantacuzen" it against "the others".
Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.
Ruslan, please document Brzezinski's urging Obama to defend Iran from Israel. I'd like to see it.
Kepha - you'll find it here
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-09-18/how-obama-flubbed-his-missile-message/
on the second page.
Here are ZB's own words, in response to certain questions.
Q: Is the fallout as bad if Israel preemptively strikes Iran?
ZB: Absolutely. That is the way, more importantly, how the Iranians would view it. They really can’t do much to the Israelis, despite all their bluster. The only thing they can do is unify themselves, especially nationalistically, to rally against us, and the mullahs might even think of it as a blessing.
Q: How aggressive can Obama be in insisting to the Israelis that a military strike might be in America’s worst interest?
ZB: We are not exactly impotent little babies. They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?
Q: What if they fly over anyway?
ZB: Well, we have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them.
They have the choice of turning back or not.
No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse.
[Israeli jet fighters and torpedo boats attacked the USS Liberty in international waters, off the Sinai Peninsula, during the Six-Day War in 1967. Israel later claimed the ship was the object of friendly fire.]