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Friend and Ally Update: A. Q. Khan says the Pakistani government was behind his nuclear proliferation activities. The Pakistani double game just keeps getting more interesting: the U.S. gave billions to Musharraf, and this is what he was doing. "AQ Khan nails Pakistan's nuke lies," by Chidanand Rajghatta for the Times of India, September 21 (thanks to A. M.):
WASHINGTON: An angry, humiliated, and wounded A.Q.Khan has finally made public and official what has long been suspected: his nuclear proliferation activities that included exchanging and passing blue-prints and equipment to China, Iran, North Korea, and Libya was done at the behest of the Pakistani government and military, and he was forced to take the rap for it. ( Watch Video )
''The bastards first used us and are now playing dirty games with us,'' Khan writes about the Pakistani leadership in a December 2003 letter to his wife Henny that has finally been made public by an interlocutor. ''Darling, if the government plays any mischief with me take a tough stand,'' he tells his wife, adding, ''They might try to get rid of me to cover up all the things they got done by me.''
But Henny was unable to play hardball because Khan had also sent copies of that letter to his daughter Dina in London, and to his niece Kausar Khan in Amsterdam through his brother, a Pakistan Airlines executive. Pakistani intelligence agencies got wind of it and threatened the well-being of the family, forcing him to recant and publicly take the blame for the proliferation activities in a humiliating television spectacle engineered by then military ruler Pervez Musharraf....
This may come as a surprise to some in the American government, but it should come as no surprise to those who have studied Islam, understood the inculcated hostility toward Infidels, realized that ever since CENTO, and the infatuation of the Dulles brothers with the shallow, unhelpful, and dangerous notion that as "Islam is a bulwark against Communism" the Americans ought to have seen Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and other Muslim lands as allies. They never were, and they are not now, and they never can be.
And the way in which successive American governments were fooled by those fly-whisking, ramrod-straight, terry-thomased moustachioed Pakistani generals, so that for decades Pakistan was the spoiled and sinister child of American military aid, until finally a handful of Senators, led by John Glenn, could stand the nonsense no longer, and passed the Pressler Amendment, which amendment was ignored by the Pakistanis and, still worse, ignored by the very State Department that was suppposed to carefully monitor Pakistan's compliance.
The notion that Pakistan was our true-blue friend until General Zia ul-Haq came along is nonsense. The notion that Benazir Bhutto, because she ate ice cream cones in Briggs Hall, and baked a cake -- with a hockey putt in it -- for the Harvard Hockey Team, and so enjoyed her walks, bodyguardless, from Radcliffe up to Nini's Corner to buy, unescorted, some magazines -- that this made her a trustworthy friend of America, is the kind if idiocy that is continuing to day, during those Georgetown and McLean dinner parties where that smooth man, Hasan Haqqani (who left behind at B.U. another Pakistani apologist for Islam, not nearly so smooth, but still -- has be managed to trick the faculty there into giving him tenure yet?), and his even smoother wife, one if the rich Wellesley-educated Ispahanhi girls, who can charm so many into believing that Pakistan is not the meretricious place it is, and must be, for Pakistan, like the Arab countries, is Islam and nothing but Islam. How, in the end, can one possibly rely on the Pakistani military, or the Pakistani civilians?
A. Q. Khan was a metallurgist and thief. He was completely incapable, on his own, of doing more than stealing some plans from German and Dutch labs. He could not understand everything he stole; he certainly could not have somehow produced what the Pakistanis call the "Islamic bomb" much less start flogging the knowhow to China, Iran, North Korea, Libya. The Pakistani military (and civilian rulers) were in this up to their necks. And they continue to fool the Americans.
We have no stake in the survival of Pakistan. We have a stake in the disintegration of Pakistan, into its four main components. We have a stake in Pakistan dissolving into permanent internecine warfare, as we do a similar outcome all over the countries where Muslims rule.
The only thing we need to do, instead of continuing to pour money into our enemies, because a subset of those enemies smile at us, for a while, and do not immediately scowl and throw bombs, is to keep Muslims and Muslim power out of our own lands, and to keep weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of Muslims.
Where it is too late, as in the case of Pakistan, then every effort must be made to find, locate, and make sure they remain forever undeployable, whatever such weapons have -- through theft and duplicity and Western negligence and pusillanimity -- been produced or otherwise acquired.
Pakistan is an example of what not to allow. Iran is right there, working furiously to obtain nuclear weapons. It is madness of the American government not to recognize the need to move heaven and earth, and missiles and planes of all kinds -- American, as befits a great power -- to so set back the project that it will not be easily re-started -- after Israel bombed the Osirak Reactor, Saddam Hussein never again started up his nuclear program -- and that if it is, again the same violent answer will be given.
There is no other way.
Meanwhile, in addition to arousing the peoples of Western Europe and North America (and elsewhere) as to the nature of Islam, its texts and tenets, the Americans and other Infidels should do nothing to prevent sectarian, ethnic, and economic rivalries and hostilities within the Camp of Islam from growing, and breaking out into open violence.
Here and there we can do a little to encourage it. For example, if the Kurds are successful in resisting the Arab attempt on their autonomy in Iraq, and perhaps even can obtain a kind of independence, this would be an inspiration to other non-Arab Muslim peoples (e.g., the Berbers), and perhaps might be followed by other attempts to throw off the Arab yoke (see Darfur). And this is important. If 80% of the world's Muslims are non-Arab, and can be made to recognize all the ways that Islam is and always has been a vehicle of Arab supremacism, and has caused many non-Arab peoples to forget or neglect or be hostile to their own histories, even to belittle the worth of their own languages and literatures, that too would help to weaken Islam.
And weakening the Camp of Islam, so that it no longer the growing threat it is at present, but instead is more like the position of Islam in 1920, is the right and necessary goal of the entire Infidel world.
Yeah. Like what he said.
nabi ZK (pbum)
If our Congress can act to de-fund ACORN, why can't we stop the jizya to Pakistan?
We will probably try to 'save' Pakistan too in our 'Alice in Wonderland' task of keeping Muslim countries from being authentically Muslim as our soldiers risk their lives to deliver goats in honor of the weddings of 12 year old girls to 60 year old men.
Best thing to do is to believe the worst case scenario regarding Iran, Pakistan, Libia, Saudi Arabia, etc, etc, etc,. It will prove to more right than anything else. AQK's revelations do not surprise me.
This doesn't surprise me at all. I knew for a long time that Khan was paid, no, excuse me, funded by the Iranians.
"A. Q. Khan was a metallurgist and thief. He was completely incapable, on his own, of doing more than stealing some plans from German and Dutch labs." Very true, science is an alien territory to Islam. I once saw a program about Khan's "achievements" on TV, he's no scientist, he only knows how to steal and gather bits and pieces. And the Germans were so stupid to let him do his job as a thief in the night.
Dear Hugh, your ideas are splendid. "Divide et impera", was the motto of Caesar. To change that a little bit, leave the job of killing each other to them, and hopefully we don't have to take care of anything. Islam will go to execute its own obliteration. Terrific idea!
OT, but I had a fascinating on-line chat with a Muslim today. At first, he was very polite in addressing my concerns about his religion, employing the usual taqqiya we've all grown accustomed to. As I adroitly refuted each one of his points, he became increasingly frustrated and angry. He finally threatened violence against me personally and crowed that Islam would soon take over the earth.
It was fascinating to witness a seemingly amiable moderate degenerate into a hateful supremacist in the course of a single conversation.
"...a seemingly amiable moderate degenerate into a hateful supremacist in the course of a single conversation."
O, even "moderates" have a flashpoint? Shocking! :)
Fjordman's research has shown that Muslims have been largely uninterested in technological advances throughout the centuries, except for weapons development, which they will eagerly embrace and adopt.
Your comment, Cornelius, combined with Hugh's above, makes for an interesting simpatico between two posters who have not always seen eye to eye respecting what the hell to do about the Islamic world, though a realization that such a world is both dysfunctional and vicious has never been an issue between you two, myself and most every other poster who comments here. Only the tactics to be employed by free peoples have been a subject of argument.
One thing's for sure, Islam is a burden to all the earth, including to the Islamic world itself, though most in that world remain clueless of this. Nothing like Islam. Nope, nothing at all.
Hugh,
Yes, "[w]e have no stake in the survival of Pakistan. We have a stake in the disintegration of Pakistan...", but we have a tremendous stake in the survival of India. India, today, with all its follies, stands alone with its billion people democracy, between Pakistan/Islam, and China/Communism, just as Israel stands alone amidst the Islamic Maghreb, Arabia, and Persia. The Obama administration is playing with fire by alienating both India and Israel, and strengthening the hands of Islam, both materially and ideologically. Imagine the strategic depth gain for Islam, if India were to fall back into a Muslim rule!
"Hateful Supremicist" is the key word. You nailed it. Muslims think they are superior to all others. There is no way to deal with people who think they are superior. No way at all.
Love the Peter Sellers pic.
rationalfool
I agree. India is the key.
I pray for India's liberation from de facto dhimmitude, and for her victory over the jihad - the jihad that assails her both from within and from without - with all my heart. (I also pray most fervently that India will be able to squash the assorted maoist insurgencies - one does not want a repetition, within India, of what has been happening in Nepal).
Because I live in Australia.
India is the only really *large* and also friendly regional neighbour we have, capable of balancing both the Ummah (in particular, our scariest near neighbour, rapidly-Islamifying Indonesia, 'the-world's-most-populous-Muslim-nation' as the newspapers like to keep on telling us), and also of providing a bulwark - if suitably strengthened -against the ambitions of the ruthless totalitarian oligarchs who currently reign in China. India has enormous potential. Any smart Australian should want India and her hundreds of millions of non-Muslims to live free and prosper!
I infinitely prefer India, despite all her flaws (yes, even despite the intermittent regional attacks upon Christians, by some local fanatics), to either China or Indonesia, and I wish our Aussie government would develop a similar preference, fast. India (just like Israel, and for much the same reasons) needs help and encouragement...and plain old *friendship*. If I were an Australian businessman my 'regional' investments would be in India (and in the Philippines and Singapore); I wouldn't be putting a cent into China or Indonesia or Malaysia. As for intergovernmental 'aid' and military training and so on:Australia needs to STOP doing that for Malaysia and Indonesia or Pakistan, and redirect aid of that sort, to India.
However: until our governments (Aussie, American, others) wake up the obvious, there are things we can do as citizens to prepare the ground for those hoped-for future alliances.
At the time of the Mumbai jihadist assault, and also following another jihadist assault that took place some time prior to that, I made the effort to email the Indian High Commissioner in Australia, with a heartfelt letter of condolence.
I suggest that all jihadwatchers should keep an eye on the news that comes out of India - memo to Indians lurking and posting here: *please* keep us posted on what's happening! - and whenever there is a particularly outrageous Muslim attack, send condolences to the Indian Ambassador or High Commissioner in your country (making sure always to make it clear that you view the attack that you are deploring, as an instance of Jihad); but also, whenever the Indian authorities act in a non-dhimmi fashion, or when Indian police and/or army foil an attack or crush a goodly number of Mohammedans, then commendations should be sent.
Question: is there an Australia-India Friendship Association? A US-India Friendship Association?
Thinks: perhaps American and Canadian and UK and Aussie jihadwatchers should start planning now for a Memorial gathering of some kind, for the anniversary of the November 2008 assault on Mumbai.
Query to our Indian lurkers and posters - are Mr Spencer's, or Bat Yeor's, or Andrew Bostom's books readily available in India, in English-language bookshops or in the English-language sections of public libraries or university libraries?
they all lie
A small correction to my posting above - this clause "when Indian police and/or army foil an attack or crush a goodly number of Mohammedans" should read "when Indian police and/ or army foil a jihad plot or defeat a major Mohammedan riot or military jihad assault".
Hey old buddy. Ain't it great....football season is here again.
This interlocutor I was writing about above, who was so civil initially, eventually become incensed at my criticism of his prophet and holy book and wrote the following - (I swear to God folks):
"I hope there are 1000 9-11s"....!
Islam is peace.
When the Indian people pressure their government to stop playing fools and get rid of this pc attitude with islamists and to really value Indian life they can be the biggest threat to the pak and other muslim states. India will be the trigger to stop the onslaught of islamists and begin to unravel the stranglehold of muslim appologists. India like Israel have much incommon by the murdering islamists. People who cry bohoos about the so called Arab muslim palis are surprised when you tell them about the hundreds of thousands of Hindu deaths at the hands of the muslim horde. When you then recant the million of Armenians murdered by the Turks this will show the spread of islam by the sword. people are amazed when you tell them these facts.
When the Indian people pressure their government to stop playing fools and get rid of this pc attitude with islamists and to really value Indian life they can be the biggest threat to the pak and other muslim states. India will be the trigger to stop the onslaught of islamists and begin to unravel the stranglehold of muslim appologists. India like Israel have much incommon by the murdering islamists. People who cry bohoos about the so called Arab muslim palis are surprised when you tell them about the hundreds of thousands of Hindu deaths at the hands of the muslim horde. When you then recant the million of Armenians murdered by the Turks this will show the spread of islam by the sword. people are amazed when you tell them these facts.
When the Indian people pressure their government to stop playing fools and get rid of this pc attitude with islamists and to really value Indian life they can be the biggest threat to the pak and other muslim states. India will be the trigger to stop the onslaught of islamists and begin to unravel the stranglehold of muslim appologists. India like Israel have much incommon by the murdering islamists. People who cry bohoos about the so called Arab muslim palis are surprised when you tell them about the hundreds of thousands of Hindu deaths at the hands of the muslim horde. When you then recant the million of Armenians murdered by the Turks this will show the spread of islam by the sword. people are amazed when you tell them these facts.
sorry about the multiple posts, storms right now are making this computer act wierd.
one day a Muslim in Pakistan will push the button to engage someone in a thermal nuclear attack...he's probably polishing the button now....
"I hope there are 1000 9-11s"
Whoa, feel the luv!
Hugh's comment is superb, with one exception:
"If 80% of the world's Muslims are non-Arab, and can be made to recognize all the ways that Islam is and always has been a vehicle of Arab supremacism, and has caused many non-Arab peoples to forget or neglect or be hostile to their own histories, even to belittle the worth of their own languages and literatures, that too would help to weaken Islam."
That If should not even be contemplated. It should be eliminated by lobotomy from all our minds. It will never happen -- in numbers sufficient to make a difference for our pragmatic security purposes. To expend any time, effort and money in policies based upon that If would be a waste and probably counter-productive. The vast majority of non-Arab Muslims are just as fanatical as the Arabs are. Good God, just to pick one example of 1,001 out of a turban -- Filipino Muslims, devoid of any Arab blood, were for centuries flinging themselves suicidally straight into gunfire in order to go to Paradise. Now they are attacking innocent villagers, kidnapping innocent people and beheading them, suicide-bombing ferries and shopping malls in Manila to mass-murder innocent Infidels. This notion that non-Arab Muslims (particularly those romantic Persians) are somehow a motherlode of revolt against Islam, after 1400 years of inculcation in Islamic fanaticism -- a fanaticism we Westerners cannot understand and will never understand, it is beyond our psychological and philosophical apparatus -- is a residue of the paradoxical Parochialism-as-Universalism of PC MC. To paraphrase Karl Marx, speaking not of Philosophy as he did, but of Muslims: The point is not to understand Muslims, but to expel them.
A.Q. Khan is a demonic proliferator of nuclear technology. Don't take anything he says at face value. Seems like he did plenty of proliferation at great personal profit and at times the Pakistan government was tangentially involved. Sometimes they proliferated nuclear technology in tandem and as part of Pakistani foreign policy. Payoffs, commissions and bribes on many levels in this nasty business
dumbledoresarmy,
Us Indians (my parents were from in India, but I was born in the UK) watch the situation in the UK, europe,USA and in India with trepidation.
Our parents told us of the horrors of partition in 1947 and now we have the same events occuring in slow motion.
http://www.hinduvoice.co.uk/Issues/21/DurgaPooja.htm
There is an Indo Austrailian friendship society, google and you will find.
But look at this:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=india+austrailia+trade&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
Israel and India have slowly formed an alliance over the years:
Just google India Israel
Israel has just provided India with the Phalcon AWACS
and there is more to follow.
It is not just US troops that are beheaded:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=11722
THe UK government panders to the islamist at the expense of the Jewish, Sikh & Hindu population, for votes.
Melannie Phillips mentions all 3 groups in her book "Londonistan".
http://www.hinduvoice.co.uk/
Look at some of the discussions such as:
http://www.hinduvoice.co.uk/issues/28/QMW.htm
Regards
AI
Dear Hugh
I think it is not your fault. You are ignoramus about Islam just like many other people in the west. You are afraid of atomic bombs which Pakistan has and other Muslim countries will soon have.
Tell me one thing dude. Read history. who used atomic bombs?
America. Not one but two and destroyed millions of innocent people whatsoever. Then even after Japan surrendered they bombed Tokyo JUST like they bombed Baghdad and now building it.
You are afraid of Islam they they kill westerners. Tell me how many people are killed by Israel. Tell me how many war crimes Israel has committed under the tutelage of America. Who is accountable for that.
Muslim nations have right to protect themselves against the Imperialistic powers of AMERICA AND Israel.
READ history carefully. First put your own house in order then point to others. your country has no right to interfere in the internal matters of Pakistan. Who are you?
One day every Muslim nation will have atom bomb. BUT if America bombed Japan to defend itself, then Muslim nations must have a right to defend themselves from Israel and AMERICA..
You say that ISLAM HAS NO HUMAN rights. BUT u dont think. For every punishment in Islam there is a corresponding right. it is the duty of Islam government to provide homeless people with food and money and IF after that they choose the easy way, then ONLY there hand must be amputated. LOOK AT SAUDI ARABIA. THERE IS no crime there. Look at America..IT IS FULL OF CRIME. everyday thousands robberies occur in USA.
u ARE against the covering of women. it is a protection against rape. because guys are animal. look at the rape percentage in ur country and Muslim countries. THOUSANDS rape occur in USA everyday. there are few occur in Muslim lands as women protect themselves with covering NOT with pepper spray.
Personally I like America as there is freedom of expression there, the same was in Spain during the muslim rule from 714 to 1456AD. all people JEWS, christians and Muslims were there,. remember Maimondes. a jew sholar.....
u should STUDY HISTORY and then talk/.
OK????
ear Hugh
I think it is not your fault. You are ignoramus about Islam just like many other people in the west. You are afraid of atomic bombs which Pakistan has and other Muslim countries will soon have.
Tell me one thing dude. Read history. who used atomic bombs? -- America. Not one but two and destroyed millions of innocent people whatsoever. Then even after Japan surrendered they bombed Tokyo JUST like they bombed Baghdad and now building it. WHAT IS THE FAULT OF PEOPLE, INNOCENT CITIZENS????
You are afraid of Islam they they kill westerners. Tell me how many people are killed by Israel. Tell me how many war crimes Israel has committed under the tutelage of America. Who is accountable for that.
Muslim nations have right to protect themselves against the Imperialistic powers of AMERICA AND Israel.
READ history carefully. First put your own house in order then point to others. your country has no right to interfere in the internal matters of Pakistan. Who are you?
One day every Muslim nation will have atom bomb. BUT if America bombed Japan to defend itself, then Muslim nations must have a right to defend themselves from Israel and AMERICA..
You say that ISLAM HAS NO HUMAN rights. BUT u dont think. For every punishment in Islam there is a corresponding right. it is the duty of Islam government to provide homeless people with food and money and IF after that they choose the easy way, then ONLY there hand must be amputated. LOOK AT SAUDI ARABIA. THERE IS no crime there. Look at America..IT IS FULL OF CRIME. everyday thousands robberies occur in USA.
u ARE against the covering of women. it is a protection against rape. because guys are animal. look at the rape percentage in ur country and Muslim countries. THOUSANDS rape occur in USA everyday. there are few occur in Muslim lands as women protect themselves with covering NOT with pepper spray.
Personally I like America as there is freedom of expression there, the same was in Spain during the Muslim rule from 714 to 1456AD. all people JEWS, Christians and Muslims were there,. remember Maimonides. a Jew scholar..... It was a UTOPIA society. Later if degraded like all other empires.
u should STUDY HISTORY and then talk/.
OK???? May God guide u and many other ignorant west people to the right path and try to differentiate between right and wrong.
Apostate-Islam
(nice to see your nom de plume among the commenters, again).
Interesting posting. Thank you for the links and info - I will google also as suggested.
Dear Hugh
I think it is not your fault. You are ignoramus about Islam just like many other people in the west. You are afraid of atomic bombs which Pakistan has and other Muslim countries will soon have.
Tell me one thing dude. Read history. who used atomic bombs? -- America. Not one but two and destroyed millions of innocent people whatsoever. Then even after Japan surrendered they bombed Tokyo JUST like they bombed Baghdad and now building it. WHAT IS THE FAULT OF PEOPLE, INNOCENT CITIZENS????
You are afraid of Islam they they kill westerners. Tell me how many people are killed by Israel. Tell me how many war crimes Israel has committed under the tutelage of America. Who is accountable for that.
Muslim nations have right to protect themselves against the Imperialistic powers of AMERICA AND Israel.
READ history carefully. First put your own house in order then point to others. your country has no right to interfere in the internal matters of Pakistan. Who are you?
One day every Muslim nation will have atom bomb. BUT if America bombed Japan to defend itself, then Muslim nations must have a right to defend themselves from Israel and AMERICA..
You say that ISLAM HAS NO HUMAN rights. BUT u dont think. For every punishment in Islam there is a corresponding right. it is the duty of Islam government to provide homeless people with food and money and IF after that they choose the easy way, then ONLY there hand must be amputated. LOOK AT SAUDI ARABIA. THERE IS no crime there. Look at America..IT IS FULL OF CRIME. everyday thousands robberies occur in USA.
u ARE against the covering of women. it is a protection against rape. because guys are animal. look at the rape percentage in ur country and Muslim countries. THOUSANDS rape occur in USA everyday. there are few occur in Muslim lands as women protect themselves with covering NOT with pepper spray.
Personally I like America as there is freedom of expression there, the same was in Spain during the Muslim rule from 714 to 1456AD. all people JEWS, Christians and Muslims were there,. remember Maimonides. a Jew scholar..... It was a UTOPIA society. Later if degraded like all other empires.
u should STUDY HISTORY and then talk/.
OK???? May God guide u and many other ignorant west people to the right path and try to differentiate between right and wrong.
Ladies and gentlemen
observe the posting of...'Conqueror', whose claims that all the Muslim world is trying to do is 'defend' themselves (poor dears), are rather undercut by his aggressive and indeed offensive nom de plume.
New readers: this is how a Muslim 'argues'.
Observe, first of all, the instantaneous turnspeak, the aggression, the use of tu quoque in an attempt to press guilt buttons (using, predictably, as *every* Mohammedtroll lately seems to have been doing, the reference to the bombing of Hiroshima ).
Notice the gross exaggeration and wild accusations against America and Israel; descending into utter nonsense (Israel an Empire? an Imperialist power? rubbish! with Israel, we're talking about a TINY little country that has shown no inclination to want to expand beyond the borders it is known to have had in biblical times [the territory of the twelve tribes, in Canaan]).
And then allow your commonsense Infidel mind to dwell upon his mad claim that because of sharia there is no crime in Saudi Arabia (!!!) and that there is no rape in dar al Islam (!!! reality check: at one point not so long ago it was estimated that 70 % of women in prison in Pakistan are...rape victims, being punished for 'immorality' because under the raving insanity of an Islam-dominated society they haven't got a hope of proving they were raped). And maybe 'Conqueror' would like to have a nice chat to all those black Sudanese Christian women, and those Chinese Buddhist and Christian women in Indonesia, and there are Hindu women, too, from Bangladesh, who were raped- often brutally gang-raped - by jihadis howling allahu-akbar. No rape in dar al Islam? He can tell that one to all those wretched Sri Lankan and Filipina housemaids in the palaces of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf, who are used and abused and then discarded like dirty kleenex.
And then our new Mohammedtroll trots out the threadbare myth of Golden Andalus, that paradise of interfaith tolerance, justice and peace - NOT. I seem to recall, for example, that a good few Christians, in Muslim-occupied Spain, got beheaded or otherwise killed, for daring to publicly criticise Islam. Freedom of speech in Muslim Spain, same as in 20th-century America??? RUBBISH. If this guy were Pinocchio his nose would be three feet long by the time he had finished speaking.
Thank you for taking the time to reply to "conqueror"'s nonsense. It is indeed nonsense and he does not know it. I do not have the patience to follow this tripe carefully due to its irationality. Thanks again.
The Conqueror your arguement is cliche.
I'll keep it short and sweet. If you are a American or anyone with common-sense who cares about western history at all I suggest you read "A History of the english speaking peoples since 1900". It puts the "Conqueror's" lies surrounding America dropping the A-bomb on a defeated Japan to rest. If you are going to follow that revisionist "you too fallacy" to the tee wouldn't that imply you'd first have to defeat us? I can't see that happening so where is your imitative justification?
You speak of revisionist history to fool the uneducated infidel, nothing more, but don't be such a close minded drone for islam be a intellectual and pick up the book I mentioned then come back and tell me your lies about my back yard. Muslims like yourself aren't nothing but nihilists. Note how this nihilist muslim jumps from self-defense (though america was never at war with muslims pre-9/11)to rationaling how by America dropping the bomb on japan it's ok for muslims to drop the bomb on America. Though I should point out to the "cult of death" there is no moral relevance in conflating that 1945 war with this 2003-09 conflict. So the act of A-bombing america would not be justified as it was for America back in 1945. That is not hypocrisy especially when one understands the indepth differences which you clearly don't.
Yep, love the fact that it's football season again. There's something uniquely American about the game, going to the heart of the American character I would contend, which has made it not catch on almost anywhere else, unlike basketball and baseball which have become popular worldwide, especially the former. Both are fine games but for me they ain't football.
See we got a troll after our posts by the name of "Conqueror" but dda and proxywar took care of him with their replies. I always know I'm talking to a confused human being when Hiroshima comes up as a way of bashing America. Had Truman not dropped the A-bombs far more lives would have been lost on both sides-------and this always seems lost on the basher.
Hope you and yours are well, that you'll enjoy a fine football season (can't believe my Steelers lost to the Bears Sunday night) and that plenty of good beer will be quaffed in the watching. Take care, pal.
Maimonides (a Jew) suffered from the intolerance of muhammadans:
"Maimonides's full name was Moses ben Maimon; in Hebrew he is known by the acronym of Rabbi Moses ben Maimon, Rambam. He was born in Spain shortly before the fanatical Muslim Almohades came to power there. To avoid persecution by the Muslim sect — which was wont to offer Jews and Christians the choice of conversion to Islam or death — Maimonides fled with his family, first to Morocco, later to Israel, and finally to Egypt."
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/Maimonides.html
The comments by 'CONQUERER' are typical of musilm fanatics. Just look at it/them.
The name itself - does it evoke images of peace, harmony tranquility, love, sharing, benevolence or anything civilized? NO!
Then look at the repetition. The whole message is repeated thrice at last count. Just like muslims keep repeating that islam is peaceful - in the hope that they will deceive us. They don't.
Now examine the text itself. Nothing but ignorant hatred.
To you - conquerer - you are incapable of any humanity, just like the rest of your billion muslims. You are delusional, psychotic and schizophrenic, just like mohammad, the murderer, was. Shut up!
I move that islam be voted off of this planet.
Conqueror sez:
"Personally I like America as there is freedom of expression there..."
as opposed to say Iran, or Egypt, or Somalia, or Pakistan, or Afghanistan or any other Muslim dominated land where people who dare to express any opinion that doesn't sit well with the Islamic clerics or Islamic government are routinely rounded up , tortured, fined, imprisoned, and often just executed to teach them and their families and friends that expressing opinions is not welcome under Islam...it is too western...all you need in life to to continue to be totally enslaved by Islam...violators will be prosecuted...not debated or tolerated...
Agreed...football IS uniquely American. It is very much like warfare, with territory, strategy, tactics, subterfuge (motion, play-action, etc), all contributing to make the game so compelling. While baseball and basketball are certainly team sports, they rely on individual talents. By contrast, football is quintessentially a team-sport.
I love walking into a sports bar and - once settled - start quizzing all the jocks about the minutia of the game. It's amazing how many supposedly rabid fans don't have a clue which member of the Offensive line throws the lead block on a 'Power Sweep' or which member of the secondary becomes the fourth linebacker in an '8-Man Front'.
I was also surprised at the Steelers loss to the Bears. But "any given Sunday" is particularly relevant in the early part of the season before teams have jelled and identities have been established (or re-established).
Enjoy the long season amigo.