"We want to change the way people perceive polygamy, so that it will be seen as something beautiful instead of something disgusting"

Another example of the peace and tolerance preached by Islam:

Egyptian authorities have prevented Maher El-Gowhary, a Muslim-born Christian convert, from leaving the country. He was detained at Cairo Airport. His passport confiscated and he was advised that he is barred from traveling on orders from a 'higher authority'.

Maher and his 15-year-old daughter, Dina, who also embraced Christianity, were traveling to China on 17th September 2009, on a two-week holiday.

Ibrahim Habib, chairman of United Copts GB, who spoke with El-Gowhary during his detainment at the airport, said that Maher was treated very badly by airport security, and was told of his travel ban "less than an hour before departure."

Human rights lawyer Nabil Ghobrial joined Maher at the airport. He filed an incident report at the airport police station. According to Ghobrial it is against the law to prevent a citizen from traveling unless there is a legal reason. He says the so-called 'higher authority' should have been named and that his client will file a lawsuit against the Prime Minister and the Interior Minister, besides a compensation lawsuit for damages.

In an aired interview with Coptic News Bulletin on September 17, Maher El Gowhary said "The authorities are trying to pressure us [he and his daughter] to convert back to Islam, but this will never happen, even if we have to live on the streets. We love our Lord Jesus, and we have left Islam for good."

On August 4, 2008, after 34 years of practicing Christianity, 57-year-old Maher El-Gohary, whose Christian name is Peter Athanasius, filed the second ever lawsuit of a Muslim-born Egyptian against the Egyptian Government to officially alter his identification documents to reflect his new Christian identity. He lost the case on June 13, 2009 (6-16-2009). Although the verdict is on appeal, he said this usually takes years before being brought to the courts. However, he insists that if he does not win his case in Egypt, he will take it to international courts.

Maher and Dina have been living in hiding ever since he filed his lawsuit, Muslim radicals have called him an apostate and several calls for 'spilling his blood' have been issued. He has to change frequently where he lives, to evade being killed, and friends supply him with food. "We cannot sleep, eat or go out in the street. What have my daughter and I done? we have just filed a lawsuit to get out rights, so why are they holding us against our will?"

He went on to say, "I filed a lawsuit to get my Christian details recorded on my ID, I asked for the same treatment as the Baha'is who could be issued ID cards that didn't identify them by religion. I was refused because I am a Christian." He said that Baha'is are protected by the government, unlike converts to Christianity, who are left on purpose by the government to fend for themselves, in order to be killed. "The State Security incites drug dealers to kill us, as they give them the impression that we are working for police investigations as spies on them. They tried to kill us on several occasions."

"If they give Muslim-born Christians the right to change, I can assure you, that all of Egypt will convert to Christianity." He went on to relate in the Coptic News interview that during the hearings of his lawsuit, Muslim lawyers warned the presiding judge, Hamdi Yassin, that if he allows a change in Maher's case, this would "open the gates of Hell on them," meaning a torrent of Muslims converting to Christianity.

The number of Muslim-born converts to Christianity in Egypt, who are keeping their faith secret, has reached several million. Due to the State Security's persecution, torture and rape, they have established outside Egypt an organization called "Freed by Christ" as well as "Way TV" to speak on their behalf to the West, and expose their sufferings at the hands of State Security. It is headed by the Christian convert Dr. Mohamad Rahouna, ex-dean of the Faculty of Arabic Studies, Minya University, who fled to the United States.

"We, the Christian converts are treated worst than animals. I was able to travel freely before filing the lawsuit," El-Gowhary said "I filed the case for the sake of other converts, who have become tremendous in number, all living underground, among whom there are young girls who will never be able to get married unless a change happens. Personally, I would not benefit out of the lawsuit, but I wanted to get some development in this problem."

Portraying their dire situation he said: "If we forge our documents we are imprisoned, if we file a lawsuit we lose the case and they persecute us. What should we do?" El-Gowhary said.

On September 22, El-Gowhary and his daughter made another attempt to travel to China, but he was again stopped from leaving the country. "I had to make sure that I was really barred from traveling, because I was told nothing officially," he said.

"I really don't know where to go now, our location has now been revealed. I feel so sorry for my daughter, such a young girl staying at home all the time," he said "They will never let us leave and they will never have mercy on us. Our only chance of getting out of the country, is by obtaining a foreign passport."

Another example of the deafening silence of the Western "human rights" lobby. If Mr. el-Gowhary had been a Guantanamo Bay detainee the world would have risen up in outrage concerning his treatment. But since he left the "peaceful and tolerant" Islam for the "evil, crusading faith" of Christianity no one cares.

If every moslem is to have 4 wives this means that 75% of males must be gotten rid off ????

Sure, sure.

Polygamy is perfect.

Misogyny is marvelous.

Rape is remarkable.

Slavery is super.

Lying is lovely.

Beheading is bewitching.

Amputation is amazing.

Stoning is stupendous.

Persecution is pleasing.

Bombing is beautiful.

. . .

See? What a wonderful, peaceful thing is Islam!

/sarc off

I have to admit, I got a laugh out of this one.

I often think that most of mohammedanism is nothing but thuggishness done up in a long white dress.

Stories like this keep me convinced.

What an amazing bunch of shameless scoundrels those cultures produce!

as some somewhat enlightened Muslims have discovered, polygamy is expensive.

So when these guys have a nightmare they are one husband out of many with one busy wife.

So when these guys have a nightmare they are one husband out of many with one busy wife.

Virgil - Wow, thanks for info, very interesting.
djrz - LOL, great post.

The instant Muslim women are afforded the basic human right of freely marrying
non-Muslim men, Islam starts to collapse.

The instant Muslims are afforded the basic human right of practicing no religion or the religion of their choice, Islam starts to collapse.

Is it possible that we are watching the beginning of the end? Without threats, violence, and death - Islam is totally weakened. Loving Jews like no other - CrazyIslam.com

"Some people treat polygamy as a laughing matter because they do not fully comprehend it," says Ikramullah, a jovial businessman and son of his father's first wife. "But a community that practices it would know that it is not bizarre. In fact, you would be teased if you were a man with only one wife."

Now we know why Muslims laugh at us.

"Polygamy is legal for Muslims in Malaysia, though not widespread. The Ashaari clan believes it should be. Last month it launched a "Polygamy Club" that claims the noble aim of helping single mothers, reformed prostitutes and women who feel they are past the marrying age."

Past marrying age? 10, 11?

Several million ex-Muslim Christians in Egypt? Where does that number come from? How did they calculate it? I sure hope it's true, but I'd really like some verification.

I would like to amend the koranic verse sited in the above piece:

Muhammad, of course, is "a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much, and thus will eschew Allah's prophet and religion altogether, as unseemly and false." (33:21).

"Several million ex-Muslim Christians in Egypt? Where does that number come from? How did they calculate it? I sure hope it's true, but I'd really like some verification."

I think exaggeration runs both ways -- particularly, it seems, from people of the Middle East whether Muslim or non-Muslim. Of the mirror image one can be surer: that Egypt over the centuries has been composed of millions of ex-Christian Muslims -- former dhimmis who could no longer bear the onerous oppression under Islam and decided if you can't beat them, join them. Unless one could adduce proof that all the Muslims of present-day Egypt are of 100% alien Arab stock while all the Copts are of native Egyptian stock, we must conclude that what happened in, for example, India and Persia, where millions of Hindus and Zoroastrians over the centuries converted to Islam, happened also in Egypt and wherever else Islam spread its subjugation.

Traditional Catholic teaching on polygamy is that it is a grievous violation of the sacrament of marriage because it violates the equal dignity of male and female. It is intrinsically evil. For Christians marriage is a sacrament, in Islam it is a business contract.

On my visit to egypt two years ago, it was clear that the young look after a change.You could see them in the way they dressed,walked talked and laughed.Much more so in El Cairo than in other minor cities.I could not help but feel that country like a bomb about to explode.

Disgusting.

And over-breeding. There are ENOUGH Mohammedans.

Stop barbaric Polygamy. Stop barbaric Child Brides. Stop Islamic females as Baby Factories for their Demographic Jihad:

“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”

– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN

Stop Polygamy as a War Tactic for the Demographic Jihad.

One of my favorite stories about polygamy and Islam is the one about the Muslim who defended his doing 64 miles an hour in a 35 mph zone by saying he had two wives.

Even though it sounds like a Steven Wright joke, the judge permitted him to retain his license!
http://www.danielpipes.org/6022/westerners-welcome-harems

"We want to change the image of child marriage. Think of sex with underage girls (we prefer to call them 'neo-adults)', as something precious, which transcends pre-defined notions of generational schism.. where the life experience of the elder male suffuses with the innocence of..."

Next week- reimagining beheading.

Here at "Ask the Imam" you can find some that many Muslims themselves may find polygamy less than "beautiful". Note especially the one from Malaysia, which makes reference to the "no polygamy clause" that prospective wives can insist on in the marriage contract. My guess is that the story above is meant to address this--so that the uppity Muslimas will no longer consider being part of a stable so 'disgusting'..

http://www.askimam.org/search/keywordSearch.php?keyw=polygamy&Submit=Search

The problem of men with no wives at all is never, never acknowledged by Muslims or their apologists. But it is too obvious when you are over there, or when you study the history, or read reports. Why are men in Egypt raping and stealing Christiam girls? Why are they so damned forward with Western women? Why does one meet so many lonely Muslim men? Why are so many Muslim men queued up at Western embassies trying to apply for refugee status? (And, horrifyinly, getting it, and coming here without women!) Why are nice, decent Muslim men so naive/mixed up/desperately ignorant when it comes to women? Women are "untouchable" - but a man can have four wives? What a mess for everyone! The stories I have heard...wow...

Western women have no idea. they are so defensive about Islam that they convince themselves that the multiple wives are content because "at least they know who the 'other woman' is", or they appeciate the help around the house, or live like sisters, whatever, and anyway, it's "no worse" than what goes on in the West.

Also, polygamy creates a situation of overbreeding, because the wives hope having lots of babies will make their husband love them so much and not take another wife; but they do anyway, if they can. (Although I met a couple of men over there who were defiantly proud of having only one wife who they loved. And, as I said, many who would LOVE to have just one wife.)

"Think of sex with underage girls (we prefer to call them 'neo-adults)', as something precious..."

You mean, while you're raping them?

You evil bastards. We're not fooled by your Nazi "Arbeit mach frei" NewSpeak.

Good God. We have got to do something about these evil, uber-misogynist, devils. Devils. Like their god, "allah."

Here's the excellent Nonie Darwish, in an interview with the Jerusalem Post, on the hideous subject of polygamy:

JP: You are very outspoken in your book about the grave consequences of polygamy on women in the Arab culture. Why?

ND: Polygamy has a devastating effect on family dynamics, on the husband/wife relationship and on women's relationships with other women. Many Muslim men have only one wife, but the damage to the wife/husband relationship has already been done in the Muslim marriage contract, in which a man doesn't pledge loyalty to his wife. Besides the name of the bride, the marriage contract has three spaces left blank, to be filled with the names of any other women the man later wishes to marry. Yet in spite of this, a good Muslim woman must accept her destiny under Shari'a law...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380626879&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull

Why not allow Poligamy. We are starting to allow homosexuals to get married. How could one not justify Poligamy. What makes gay superior to Poligamists?

A smart lawyer could say a child with three or more mommies and daddies will get better care. There will be more carring, nuturing, loving, and wholesome people to guide them along in to life.

Pretty soon anything will go.
At some point a judge would have to say to enough is enough so as to keep the society intact. Otherwise society will degenerate in to crud. A good lawyer and a judge that refuses to take a moral stand equals anarchy.

I do not wish to offend our female readers, but...

I read somewhere that women in the same household tend to synchronise their periods?

If this is indeed true then with four wives the greedy, misogynistic Mohammedan bastard will get his comeuppance 12 times a year :)

I clicked on the link and read the whole of the original article (our Muslim-loving friends at Associated Press are responsible for disseminating it).

Here's the line that stood out to me:
"The polygamists point out that the Prophet Muhammad is thought to have married about a dozen women in his lifetime, including widows in need of protection."

'Widows in need of protection'. Yeah, right.

Safiyya bint Huyay only *became* a widow 'in need of protection' because Mohammed had had her husband Kinana of Khaybar tortured to death!

There is nothing "beautiful" about polygamy. It is ugly, cruel, humiliating, and destructive for everyone involved except the polygamous males, who are selfish pricks obsessed with sex. William Ross Wallace's poem, "The Hand That Rocks the Cradle Rules the World", speaks of the enormous influence a mother has in shaping the psyche of a child. Maybe some day muslim women will stop teaching their male offspring to be misogynist predators but until they do, putrid islamic culture will continue to oppress, victimize, and marginalize women.

Women are the only hope for a major reform of islam. When they demand equality and refuse to accept the role of docile, cowering slave, islam will either change or collapse, preferably collapse.

(1) Polygamy is very useful to the maintenance of a militaristic imperialist culture insofar as it assures a surplus of men, angry frustrated men, with a surplus of unsatisfied male aggression ready to be tapped for combat and of course rape and pillage.

They are unattached. No place special to go at night. Nothing to calm them down. Ready for action and fundamentally pissed off.

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(2) As we always see, the concern expressed here is entirely focused on appearances and reputation rather than realities.

The phrasing really means what it says:

"We want to change the way people perceive polygamy, so that it will be seen as something beautiful instead of something disgusting"

This speaks to a number of issues we see over and over in mohammedan public behavior.

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-- The obsession with the good opinion of others -- which reaches absurd extremes. Outsiders are viewed as lower than dirt, and yet ... it is very important that those allegedly meaningless outsiders think well and speak well of mohammedanism. Doesn't seem to add up, does it?

The mental dependency on external validation is crushing. And it inspires lethal levels of violence when it is frustrated.

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-- The general obsession with appearances over substance.

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-- The fixation on trying to control minds. This goes to murdering apostates and answering those who question or criticise or mock their ideas with threats and violence.

Polygamy is a crime, bygamy is a lesser crime according to the Constitution..Reynolds v U.S..yet the law is not upheld..the law must be enforced as it stands,otherwise the Constitution is a waste of paper.How many muslims and mormons in America are breaking the law?

I was in Egypt in 08. There was no one else around and I was sitting on some concrete steps waiting for the rest of my tour bus associates to finish their shopping and a sidewalk vendor started up a conversation with me. He was asking me about America. Is it true someone poor can become rich, what if a person changes their religion in America, what about divorce. He wanted to know if people stared at me in America because of the way I was dressed. I'm a woman. I was wearing jeans, thong sandals, a sleeveless shirt with a shirt over it with those sleeves rolled up. I explained that Americans dressed more out of practicality than religion. It was screaming hot so I had my sleeves up. I was also smoking a cigarette as I waited. He started asking me about Christianity. I explained to him about the ten commandments and how all of our laws are really stemmed from those and Christians and Jews both believe in that. He asked me what the commandments were. I think I remembered 6 or 7 and I said the others were similar. I told him that at one time Egypt had been Christian. I told him about the Christian ruins out in the desert among the pyramids. He was really surprised. I told him how Muhammed's army came in and forced all of his ancestors to change to Muslim. He said that he wished they hadn't done that. He said he thought Christianity was better than what they have. He said he had a friend that was Christian. I recommended that he talk to his friend about it. He said that he would be seen doing that. Someone would tell. I said he should read a bible. He said that even his wife would tell on him. I asked him if he could go to an internet cafe. He said they block it. I said, that your religion controls so much of his life and the government controls the rest. How do the Egyptians find happiness? He said they were not happy. He asked me if I thought Islam was what was keeping Egypt behind. I said that the people who built those pyramids were considered the most advanced culture in the world at one time and that it was obvious that Egyptians were very intelligent so I had to assume that it was the religion. I genuinely believed him but my husband thought it was Taquiya that he was doing. There was no one else around. Considering that they aren't supposed to talk to tourists or women he took quite a chance. He would not tell me his name. I told him I would always remember him and he said he would always remember me. I told him I liked him and he said I like you too. He was glad that we didn't hold a grudge against all Egyptians for 9/11. He wanted to know what my husband would do if he knew I was talking to a man. I told him I talked to men all the time. He wanted to know if it led to bad things. I assured him that talking to men was a normal thing in our society. My husband would not be upset at all. I pointed out that we were not doing anything bad, were we. He said no we weren't. So, talking is okay, doing bad things is not okay. He would not tell me his name. I could tell he was afraid and here he was being so open. Mohammed, our tour guide wanted to know what we were talking about. I said it loud enough for the sidewalk vendor to hear, that we were just talking about the weather, how hot it is. I wanted him to know he was safe. I hope he was.

Polygamy as something beautiful? ...hahaha, I don't think so! One wife is more than enough for my husband. Besides, another woman attempting to touch my husband would NEVER happen, because I would tear her limb from limb.

Muhammad was a sexual deviant, so I could not care less what he had to say. Muhammad who? ...O, don't listen to that loser. He was just a mad-man claiming to be a prophet (perversion is upon him).