Will Naomi Wolf fight female genital mutilation?

Jamie Glazov continues to hold feminists’ feet to the fire about their inconsistency and refusal to condemn the oppression of women under Sharia. An update on this story.

“Will Naomi Wolf Fight Female Genital Mutilation?,” by Jamie Glazov at the News Real Blog, September 29:

I have a little follow-up to my run-in with Naomi Wolf over the sexiness of the burqa.

As our readers will be familiar, Wolf went on a political pilgrimage to Morocco, Jordan, and Egypt and found a thriving sexuality behind the veil.

I have been wondering ever since if Wolf was at all concerned about what state women’s vaginas were in within the sexual paradises that she visited and praised, seeing that the barbaric crime of female genital mutilation is perpetrated with high frequency in the areas she visited.

But not that a fellow traveler would care about anything like that.

Who does care is Lucy Semiyan Mashua, a freedom fighter from Kenya who survived several kinds of genital mutilation, slavery, child abuse, rape and torture. Today she is leading a new global campaign against female genital mutilation. Will you help? It might just take signing a petition. Please enter the fight by reading all about the new effort to save girls from this genocide.

Will Naomi Wolf join the battle? For instance, will she denounce the Islamic theology and teachings that lead to the mutilation of Muslim girls in Islamic countries?

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  1. says

    Where is that petition? I’m already signing it in my mind.

    I just wish that muslim women would take advice from filthy kuffir broads like myself, but as we’ve seen, efforts are denounced from all sides.
    “Oh you just wouldn’t UNDERSTAND, it’s a different CULTURE”, “you have to respect their RELIGION”, “RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” etc. etc.

    Erm, no, I just don’t like the idea of women being locked indoors, beaten, raped and having their genitals sliced off. Anyone who thinks that kind of thing is acceptable needs serious psychological attention.

  2. says

    Western “feminists” make their real priorities and values blindingly obvious in their responses to the condition of women in the mohammedan countries.

    Normal sensible women (and men) will draw the correct conclusions easily if the facts are passed around and not suppressed.

    The J-school graduates who have passed their “womens studies” indoctrination courses will not be participants in spreading the news, nor will their employers.

  3. says

    Naomi Wolf – A “post-feminist?”

    OK.

    Look up Phyllis Chesler, Wolf – You’ll learn something. A LOT.

    Tomorrow, October 1, is Chesler’s birthday! (1940)

    Happy Birthday Ms. Chesler! Brava to you!

  4. says

    She might sign a petition, but to really show she’s gonna fight FGM, she needs to do much, much more. Like write and speak out against it wherever she can.

    But signing it would be a start in the right direction…

  5. says

    Stop it…Stop it….the “atrocities” you link to Islam are only commited by a tiny number of exremists……

    and now we return to our regularly scheduled program already in progress…..

  6. says

    Robert,

    Lucy Semiyan Mashua is from the Massai, a CHRISTIAN African tribe. She suffered nothing from what you intend to paint as “Islamic.” Be honest… this would qualify you for public lie #5, woudlnt’ it?

    This I commented on in Jamie’s artcle thread is a noble effort worth supporting if and only if you and FPM come clean and be honest.

    I have commented many times before that FGM is an African tribal practice and has no basis or foundation in Islam.

    There is no connection between FGM and Islam.

    FGM is not circumcision, and the difference is very clear to the medical community.

    Only ignorant people practice FGM and only ignorant people, or people with ill intent, try to associate its practice with any religion.

    Yes, this definetely qualifies you as lying again in public in print.

    The Massai are Christians and she is a Chrsitian and they did this to her.

    Peace
    Abdullah

  7. says

    Many Maasai have become Christian, and to a lesser extent, Muslim.

    So it’s far more likely that this would have been a moslem act of barbarity. It’s certainly unlikely to be a christian act as christians aren’t generally known for their hatred of women.

    The Masai have replaced the physical cutting with a ceremony where they use words instead. Still 38% of the Kenyan population use the physical excision.

    From PRB:

    FGM/C is practiced in at least 28 countries in Africa and a few others in Asia and the Middle East. The 27 developing countries included on this chart are the only ones where data have been systematically collected at this time. FGM/C is practiced at all educational levels and in all social classes and occurs among many religious groups (Muslims, Christians, and animists), although no religion mandates it.

    It’s surprising to me how well FGM/C correlates to islamic hellholes yet people are unwilling or unable to connect-the-dots.

    Almost 98% adherence in Somalia? And Somalia is?

    [rolls_eyes]

  8. says

    A note to the Mohammedan troll:

    If you and your ilk would waste half as much time on blogs disputing the fact that FGM is Islamic the world might see some change, perhaps sometime in the future.

    It is annoying to see these Islamic agit props like AM do nothing but deny, belittle, obfuscate and dance around the ugly reality of Islam.

    I wish to add that FGM, like hijab, burka niqab etc, is a new thing in SE Asia.

    30- 40 years ago you would not see one single woman in all of Indonesia with a veil, now these former Buddhists and Hindus are genitally mutilating their daughters, and that’s because of Islam.

    That means Islam is spreading and with it comes the ugliest practice the world has ever known. But what’s also spreading is the fanaticism, terror, the jihad and increasing pressure on unbelievers.

    Islam, a work in progress…

  9. says

    ABDULLAH MIKHAIL: “FGM is an African tribal practice and has no basis or foundation in Islam.”

    You lie!…(in my best Joe Wilson voice).

    Because of our presence in Iraq, we have discovered that the percentage of Iraqi Kurdish women suffering from FGM is extensive. More evidence suggests this is the case in other parts of Iraq, Jordan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other parts of the Islamic world.

    As for suggesting that “female circumcision” has nothing to do with FGM, this is a laugh. The second is merely an extreme form of the first.

    Finally, FGM persists ONLY in Muslim majority cultures, where the dhimmified minorities merely follow the lead of their masters.

  10. says

    I wouldn’t call FGM a “genocide” but an “erocide“.

    The former is inaccurate, since death is incidental to the sexual terrorism involved.

    It is a little death to the spirit, yes, but the primary harm is to the erotic response.

    So, in essence it is an attempt at mass eros-killing.

    For women, at least.

    Meanwhile, the malignant males who enforce this butchering also get to have a cretin’s sadistic thrill ~from the maiming and torture~ on top of their simpleton’s glee at cultural-patriarchal dominance …over their mothers and sisters and daughters and cousins and nieces and neighbors.

    Erocide is their nihilistic answer to human liberty.

  11. says

    I wouldn’t call FGM a “genocide” but an “erocide“.

    The former is inaccurate, since death is incidental to the sexual terrorism involved.

    Death to the spirit, yes, but the primary harm is to the erotic response.

    So, in essence it is an attempt at mass eros-killing.

    For women, at least.

    Meanwhile, the malignant males who enforce this butchering also get to have a cretin’s sadistic thrill ~from the maiming and torture~ on top of their simpleton’s glee at cultural-patriarchal dominance …over their mothers and sisters and daughters and cousins and nieces and neighbors.

    Erocide is their nihilistic answer to human liberty.

    Islam is complicit in this sickness through Mohammad’s own twisted blessing upon Female Genital Mutilation.

  12. says

    The Mohammedan troll Ab Mik is back with his usual misinformation.

    Concerning FGM, w/out doubt it’s an African custom – regardless of religion. The “Christian” aspect that Ab Mik keeps harping on (what a harpy he is!) has nothing whatsoever to do with FGM.

    All African tribes practice this horrific uber-misogynist “custom,” that has nothing to do with whatever their belief system happens to be. So, Mik, nice try blaming it on Christianity – but, you’re full of hot air.

    Read Alice Walker’s book, “Warrior Marks.”

    As for FGM in Islamic countries it’s practiced extensively, esp. in Egypt. False prophet Warlord Mo approved of FGM, and told the cutter “not to cut off too much.” Definitely Islamic.

    Can anyone find that reference to Mo and FGM above? I’d appreciate it. And great for deluded Ab Mik to see it!

  13. says

    The Massai (sic) are Christians and she is a Chrsitian (sic) and they did this to her. — Ab Mik

    Nope.

    Whether the Masai are Christian or not has absolutely NOTHING to do with FGM.

    Here’s why African females are genitally mutilated: They’re AFRICAN. ALL AFRICAN TRIBES DO IT TO THE FEMALES. Let me repeat: Nothing whatsoever to do with the tribes’ various belief systems. It’s a custom separate and apart, a custom with the purpose of “sexually blinding,” as Alice Walker calls it, females. But not only sexually – emotionally, psychologically, and physically. You might say it keeps those African girls and women “in line.” Anyone who could do such a thing to you – is someone to fear.

    The females have to go through with it. Because if they don’t they are ostracized from their tribes and also are considered to be unmarriageable. Both of which are certain death for females in enormously patriarchal Africa.

    Ab Mik – As usual, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    Highly recommended:

    “Warrior Marks: Female Genital Mutilation and the Sexual Blinding of Women,” (1993) by Alice Walker

  14. says

    “…Lucy Semiyan Mashua, a freedom fighter from Kenya who survived several kinds of genital mutilation, slavery, child abuse, rape and torture. Today she is leading a new global campaign against female genital mutilation.”

    Lucy Semiyan Mashua is a hero. Let’s help spread the news about the diabolically cruel and destructive practice of FGM/FGC. While FGM/FGC is practiced widely in some African countries, it is also practiced in some places in the Middle east, Indonesia, and has even spread with Muslim communities into the modern West.

    Wolf is reportedly now writing a book on the cultural history of the vagina. For her to not address FGM/FGC in such a book would be highly conspicuous. Thankfully we have people like Glazov, Chesler, Spencer, and others who will call her out if she fails to address the issue or attempts to whitewash the undeniable Islamic ideological contributions to this particularly evil practice.

    The notion that one ought to be consulting religious texts or traditions at all to justify the practice, or to engage in apologetics about it, is inexcusable and utterly absurd. The human tendency to blindly follow traditions, no matter how insane, useless, and destructive those traditions may be, is unfortunately a tendency that is encouraged within mainstream Islam. In contrast, the tendency to blindly follow absurd traditions is much more readily subject to correction in the West. The West has evolved self-correcting traditions such as rational inquiry, criticism and public debate, empirical investigation (especially pertinent in this discussion, medical and psychological research), and ethical philosophy that is freed from the literal reading of ancient religious dogmas. Even with all of this freedom, the superstitious practice of male circumcision continues to this day in the West, though the practice is beginning to decline.

    Islam apologists don’t seem to “get it” when it comes to the FGM/FGC issue. They appeal to various distractions, such as geographic distribution, the amount of cutting involved, how many and what “quality” of ahadith can be interpreted as for or against it, and so on. These perverse responses all flow from one motive: Defend Islam’s image. In the Islamic value system, for most Muslims, sharia must be imposed, and the top priority is to make Islam dominant, victorious, and supreme. Islam must be defended at all costs, they believe, even if that means delaying and deflecting efforts to raise awareness and to stop FGM/FGC.

    FGM/FGC is almost always something done to infants or children against their will. In any case, a child does not have the capacity to consent to such a procedure. How many fully-grown, educated, and fully-informed adults would consent to have the procedure done to them? The children have a natural tendency to want to defend themselves from injury, whereas the adults in these cases are so thoroughly indoctrinated in their strange cult-like beliefs that they believe they should deliberately injure and permanently damage their own children. The children have no choice in the matter. Unfortunately, this practice will continue until appropriately strict punishments are brought in to stop it, with no allowances or appeals for leniency derived from the many Islamically-based excuses for it.

  15. says

    I know it’s a pretty ill thought, but does anyone think that Naomi is Ummmm,eh, missing a few parts? I’d best let you all decide on the parts…Could that explain her empathizing with these maltreated women?

  16. says

    http://www.veteranoutrage.com

    No i sincerly doubt it
    For one thing i have noticed about liberals is
    they all TALK tough until they actually are confronted with someone who might actually ohhh behead their sorry ass..

    This is wy whenever i see or hear a celebrity say
    anything about anything i instantly know
    it either isnt worth my time to listen to them since they are all liers anyway or B
    its pure Bullshit that their shovling my way..

    and i am getting too old to shovel it back down their sorry leftists throats.. from whence it came..

    so i am not only not surprised by the lefts betrayal of women all over the world

    I FULLY EXCPET THESE
    hollywood actors
    Celebrities
    Democrats
    To BETRAY all of us because
    They dont live in the real world
    Their world is one of MAKE believe..

    So in this mindset it isnt our enemies or islam thats the problem no accoridng to these leftist wackoks
    its all of america that is the problem

    Like i said the all will betray all of us

    its just a matter of

    WHEN and WHERE they will do it.

    http://www.veteranoutrage.com
    because i am outraged at these traitors

  17. says

    The women need to be confronted about this, since its the women who actually do the cutting. In many memoirs ive read of women recounting their FGM exprience, the women would hold some sort of warped “womanhood passage” party prior to the FGM and again after, especially since the horrific event usually involves numerous girls being mutilated at the same time, at the same place. Yes, the girl childs are the victims but Muslim women are just as much, if not more, guilty as the men in enforcing FGM and continuing with the ongoing vicious cycle of generational FGM.

  18. says

    People, this is going on HERE IN THE US.

    This is going on in MY SUBURB of the TWIN CITIES. Authorities are looking the other way even though it’s against State Law.

  19. says

    “Wolf is reportedly now writing a book on the cultural history of the vagina.” Says it all really. I tried reading The Beauty Myth. What a load of twaddle it was. I think this woman has issues. She is supposed to be a post feminist (whatever that is), surely she, an educated woman can see beyond the taquyia she has been fed. Thriving sexuality ! Perhaps, if she wants to experience this “thriving sexuality” she should have her vagina altered by some barbarian with a razor blade. Seriously though, the silence of the Feminists on this issue shows how hypocrital they really are when it comes to portraying any criticism of Islam &this issue in particular. I think I will just ignore the idiot Abdullah, he is probably married to someone who had thier Vagina sliced off or maybe even three or four of them for all I care (as long as my taxes are not going to support him and his spouse(s).

  20. says

    I recommend Jamie Glazov’s book, United in Hate. (Let’s see if those HTML tags work.)

    Every time I attend an anti-Israel event (I’m pro-Israel), I see the connection between the left and Islamists. Jamie’s book explains the attraction the left has to bloodthirsty groups and their sociopathic leaders.

  21. says

    CGW — It’s been a problem in Canada for some time now.

    (And, no, those HTML tags for underlining the book title didn’t work. Oh, well, I tried.)

  22. says

    I think that we may well be dealing with a Wolf in sheeps clothing. I remember in 2000 when she said that she’d like Al Gore to be more of an Alpha male. Maybe she does have some masocistic tendencies.

  23. says

    What AbiMikie is forgetting to mention is – How does he/she/they feel about FGM? Is it halal? Or is it haram?

    Will you denounce this practice, AbieMike? If you’ve noticed all the folks here (regardless of their faith) are denouncing FGM. Can you even rediscover a tiny bit of your humanity and denounce it as well?

  24. says

    Come on AM, show us your (CAIR’s) courage of conviction, agree to appear in front of a camera to assert that FGM is not part of Islam knowing full well that your video will be uploaded to YouTube and seen by millions.

  25. says

    Hot on the heels of justifying Muhammad’s defloweration of 9 year old Aisha on the grounds that she had undergone her menarche and as such was mature enough to be raped by a man in his 50’s, we now see AbdullahMikail trying to make a non-existent distinction between female circumsision and female genital mutilation apparently because the latter is mandated by islam as illustrated by djrz’s post above:

    “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female)
    by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris”

    Now if cutting out a girl’s clitoris doesn’t rank as mutilation then I don’t know what the hell does.

  26. says

    AM: Highlighting the fact that the Maasai are Christian is my way of underlining the fact that FGM is not a MUSLIM tradition.

    As I stated earlier in this thread, the Masai are split between mainly christian and minority moslem faith. One group has embraced a ceremony where cutting is replaced with song. Guess which ones are predominantly still doing female genital mutilation?

    Try to check your facts before you come on here and lie, AM.

  27. says

    Apparently, Abdullah Mikail is incapable of patting his head at the same time that he is rubbing his stomach. I.e., he is unable to think through this simple thought process:

    1) data: a certain number of Muslims commit FGM, a certain number of Christians commit FGM

    leads at the very least to the following unremarkably elementary conclusion:

    2) FGM is both a Muslim and a Christian problem.

    However,

    3) further data: no significant number of Christians outside of a few black African societies practice FGM; while many Muslims outside of black Africa (including Egypt, Indonesia, Iraq, and probably every Muslim country) have instances of the practice of FGM

    4) further datum which has been provided here many times: the manual of Islamic law, the ‘Umdat-al-Salik, accredited today by Al Azhar University, one of the most prestigious Islamic super-madrassas in the Sunni Muslim world, states that circumcision is obligatory for both men and women and according to Arabist and Islam scholar Mark Durie, that manual specifically includes the removal of the clitoris in its prescription.

    These further data would lead the thinking mind to conclude that there is a problem, Houston, in Islamic societies stemming at the very least in part from Islamic elements. But Muslims cannot thus think through: they have enormous psychological and cultural impediments which prevent them from the painful, yet profitable, process which the West has pioneered and continues to practice: namely, the progressive process of self-criticism — not just superficial self-criticism, but down to the heart and bone.

    Indeed, the West’s practice of this is so broad and deep, it has gone overboard in it, becoming in the last few decades so preoccupied with self-criticism (even self-condemnation) of its own history, its own religions, its own texts, its own heroes (it is routine in American universities, schools and pop culture and art to impugn, for example, such great men of our history as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln as corrupt, if not even evil, men) — that the West now has become incapable of seeing an Other far worse than itself and whose marked inferiority is not merely aesthetic or intellectual, but positively lethal in terms of the concrete effects of its fanaticism upon its followers.

  28. says

    “FGM is not circumcision”…..medical doctors understand this, Abdullah understands this, and yet once again he doesn’t quite get around to stating exactly how circumcision differs from FGM other than one is supposedly medically beneficial to the patient. So once again Abdullah, the Umdat-al-Salik states that “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female)” and that “circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris”, please could you explain how cutting out a girl’s clitoris can in any way shape or form be considered beneficial to the patient’s health or welfare.

  29. says

    Here’s an interesting excerpt from “Reproductive Health and Human Rights: Integrating Medicine, Ethics, and law” (Oxford University Press. p.262) discussing female circumcision/FGM:

    “The terminology used to describe this procedure varies. The term ‘female circumcision’ has been used historically. However, as the harm that such procedures caused to girls and women became increasingly recognized, and because this procedure in whatever form it is practiced is not at all analogous to male circumcision, the term ‘female circumcision’ gave way to the term ‘female genital mutilation'”

  30. says

    Abdullah Mikail avoids the subject of the Umdat al Salik — he just completely avoids it, hoping that no one will notice his silence on the matter. Pathetic. Even more pathetic would be the Westerners who might fall for Abdullah’s tap-dancing evasions.

  31. says

    Abdullah fails to answer yet again. How many times has he failed to answer now? Dozens? How much longer does he think he can get away with this? We have a record in these archives. Every word is recorded. He cannot wiggle out of these tight spots he thinks he can just vanish from to avoid.

  32. says

    “Their genitals are sliced off.”

    The amount of tissue removed is extensive. The most extreme form involves the complete removal of the clitoris and labia minora, together with the inner surface of the labia majora. The raw edges of the labia majora are brought together to fuse, using thorns, poultices or stitching to hold them in place, and the legs are tied together for 2-6 weeks. The healed scar creates a hood of skin which covers the urethra and part or most of the vagina, and which acts as a physical barrier to intercourse. A small opening is left at the back to allow for the flow of urine and menstrual blood. The opening is surrounded by skin and scar tissue and is usually 2-3 cm in diameter but may be as small as the head of a matchstick.

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali, in her book “Infidel” described what she and her younger sister went through in excruciating detail.

    Naomi Wolf is a hypocrite of the worst kind.

  33. says

    First: Many cultural traditions (e.g. from the seventh century: polygamy for instance) were and are incorporated into Islam as well others incorporated into other religions.

    Second: To condemn FGM where practiced by Muslims is not invalidated by the practice by Christians or others, which I equally condemn.

    Third: There IS some evidence that FGM is incorporated into Islamic law (Shariah).

    To wit: Umdat al-Salik
    by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri (d. 769/1368)

    Where one literal translation from Arabic to English says:

    Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female)
    by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male,
    but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris.

    Now, whether you accept that literature or translation as authentic or authorative, there are Islamic scholars and clerics who do and preach the validity of that concept.

    If you disagree with them, fine. Have the integrity to be sure and denounce the teaching by any Islamic figure of authority who attempts to promote FGM as valid Islamic theology or law.

    I absolutely denounce ANY Christian who even FAILS to work to stop any FGM in any community of any faith.

  34. says

    Look across the world, AM, and see where FGM is most practiced. Is it not in the Islamic world as opposed to the Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Jewish, Sikh, Shintoist, Taoist, Confucianist, etc. areas of mankind? Wonder why this is? Really, and to look at the bigger picture here, no religion is more inimical to the interests of women than is Islam. Whether it be the continued justification for polygamy (a guarantee wherever existent that true equality between men and women will not exist), absurd rules like women not being able to drive in Saudi Arabia, requirements that women cover their hair or more in one Islamic country after another or whatever, Islam is so anti-female that it is laughable when folks like yourself try and maintain that Islam is not repressive to women or at least no more so than any other faith. As one young Hindu woman I taught years ago told me, her grandmother instructed her most vigorously that she should consider any eligible man for marriage except a Muslim. The old woman knew. Oh did she ever.

  35. says

    Will you agree to appear in front of a camera tomorrow morning and assert that FGM is not part of Islam with the knowledge that your video will be uploaded to YouTube?

  36. says

    Darcy wrote:

    As for FGM in Islamic countries it’s practiced extensively, esp. in Egypt. False prophet Warlord Mo approved of FGM, and told the cutter “not to cut off too much.” Definitely Islamic.

    Can anyone find that reference to Mo and FGM above? I’d appreciate it. And great for deluded Ab Mik to see it!
    ……………….

    Here’s the Hadith:

    When the Prophet Muhammad met Umm Salama in Al-Madina – what did he say to her? “Are you still doing what you used to do in Mecca?” [In other words, are you still circumcising girls, like you used to do in Mecca?] She said: Yes. He said: “Trim it, but don’t cut it off.” According to another version, he said: “Shorten it, but don’t cut it off.”

    This and more–including some profoundly disturbing images–from the Free Copts site:

    http://www.freecopts.net/forum/showthread.php?t=32575

    This article mentions the incredible prevalence of FGM in Indonesia, a non-African country. Also, please note the linking of FGM to Jihad, made by a Muslim villager in Egypt.

    P.S. Darcy, nice to see you posting again.

  37. says

    Darcy (sick),

    Thanks for confirming what I have always stated…even though you don’ tunderstand how you agreed with me…no surprise there…but hey, you can at least spell, right?

    FGM has nothing to do with religion, period.

    Highlighting the fact that the Maasai are Christian is my way of underlining the fact that FGM is not a MUSLIM tradition.

    Circumcision is not FGM. Medical doctors understand this…it is no surprise that you don’t.

    Peace
    Abdullah

  38. says

    cravenimage,

    Circumcision is not FGM, thanks for verifying it for us. Te hadith clearly states the practice is circumcision…it is both for male and female the same.

    It is not FGM.

    Peace
    Abdullah

  39. says

    Abdullah Mikhail wrote:

    cravenimage,
    …………..

    Marvelous. I’ve just merited my first derisive nickname from a Jihad apologist. Yes, I suppose protesting the barbaric mutilation of infants and young girls marks me as “craven”, as he sees it.

  40. says

    Hello Mohammedan Troll, Ab Mik –

    Yes, you are “sick,” and you can’t spell to boot! (sic)

    All those poor little Mohammedan females in Egypt, and in other abhorrent and misguided and sick Mohammedan countries, without their God (Jesus)-given clitorises. All that pain and humiliation and rape of their genitals – for nothing. For male patriarchal hate. For Islamic male patriarchal hate of females.

    The hatred of females by Mohammedan males is unparalleled. Ab Mik – I suggest you put on a Black Bag with Eyeholes and parade down the street. You might understand how it feels to be an oppressed baby-factory Mohammedan female.

    You know, that’s only one pitiful reason why Ab Mik converted to the misogynist ideology of Islam – it allows him to feel superior to females. Got an inferiority complex, Ab Mik? It shows.

  41. says

    Hesperado,

    Don’t be so pathetic…I can state my claim more clearly than your bias projection.

    FGM is an African tribal practice that has nothing to do with religion.

    Are you not able to remember that bold comment?

    No, obviously it does not suit your agenda to do as such so you lie and twist words.

    Dumbass, it is an African tribal practice that has nothing to do with religion, African Chrisitans do it, African Muslims do it, Africans period are the ones who do it.

    FGM is not circumcision…they are totally different practices… one is medially beneficial to the patient, one is a brutal African custom with entirely different motives and outcomes other than the health and welfare of the patient.

    Even those attempting to attack the Islamic practice of circumcision know this…that’s why you see them post the moniker “FGM/C” to try and equate the two…no, they are not equivalent.

    Peace
    Abdullah

  42. says

    Hesperado: spot on.

    Not all Muslims do it; but more Muslims do it than people of any other belief-system; and it is Islam, not Christianity, that – having absorbed it, in the African part of the Ummah, rather than stamping it out – has transported it to other parts of the world.

    During the Jihad against the Christians in the Moluccas in Indonesia, in the 1990s, Christian men and women were attacked by the Laskar Jihad, and many were forcibly ‘converted’ to Islam…and those ‘converts’, men AND WOMEN were forcibly mutilated, the men by circumcision (slashing off the foreskin), and the women…well, somehow I just don’t see, in that kind of mob violence, someone neatly and carefully snipping off a tiny bit of skin…I would hazard a guess that what happened was *at least*, in conformity with Islamic law as formulated in the Umdat al Salik, the chopping out of the clitoris. In the dirt. With dirty knives. In public. Without benefit of anaesthesia or antisepsis or stitches. That part of the body is a very vascular region, for obvious reasons…one wonders how many of those Christian women and girls, mutilated by people with limited anatomical knowledge (people driven moreover by sadistic malice, ”high’ on allah) had major veins accidentally or deliberately cut, and bled out, to death.

    Anyway, here is a news story from Australia, from 2003

    http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/30/1067233290466.html?from=storyrhs

    It discusses a clinic that had to be set up in Auburn in Sydney, to deal with the fallout from FGM. Auburn.

    Funny that. Muslims form the majority of the immigrant population in the suburb of Auburn…indeed just a little while ago, the ‘Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad’ had to deal with a Muslim riot that was attempting to obstruct the Police in the execution of their duty (to wit: carrying out search warrants of Mohammedan residences suspected of containing illegal items…and said residences did indeed turn out, upon being searched, to contain such items, including weapons).

    Anyway, from that article I linked, here’s the interesting part – the Auburn Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) clinic “which opened in 1995 and acts as national FGM resource and referral centre, sees around 40 women a year”.

    And “the women who attend the clinic are mainly from Australia’s growing Asian, African and Middle Eastern communities and range in age from teenagers to middle-age”. See that? Not only ‘African’ but ‘Asian’ and ‘Middle Eastern’. Hmmmm.

    I would be prepared to bet good money that that sentence, which I just quoted, should have read “the women who attend the clinic are mainly from Australia’s growing Asian Muslim, African Muslim and Middle Eastern Muslim communities…”.

  43. says

    Qe,

    “Try to check your facts before you come on here and lie, AM.”

    I know a member of the tribe personally who is Christian and her Christian tribal members held her down and did FGM to her, so don’t talk smack to me. If you can’t handle the truth keep your digital mouth shut.

    We together tried to confront the Little Screamer, Ayan Hirsi Ali, at her Dalla forum, yet her handlers screened her very well and cherry picked audience members questions from cards…Ayan was nervously looking at our Massai sister as she was well dressed and obvious…they know Ayan can’t handle the truth and is unable to face it in public and so does she…but hey, she knows how to sell poorly written books about it, doesn’t she?

    We unfortunately were left standing with our Chrisitian friend as her question was left unanswered, something akin to: “Ayan why are you lying about FGM? It is not a Muslim practice…it is an African Tribal practice.”

    Yes, investigate the truth, know it, and talk to someone personally and know their story…

    Question Everything, indeed, talk to them personally.

    Peace
    Abdullah

  44. says

    taansafil,

    I already condemend it and congratulated Jamie Glazov for publishing an article about FGM, only with the condition that since his story was straight to the point about it being an Aftrican tribal practice and he was featuring an African Christian tribal member who’d suffered it at the hands of her Christian tribal members that he should take it one more and highlight that it has nothing to do with religion.

    It is no secret that FGM is condemned…there was even a fatwa issued against it a few years ago.

    FGM is not circumcision.

    Peace
    Abdullah

  45. says

    I, too, await this answer.

    Abdullah,

    How is removing the clitoris medically beneficial to a woman?

    I know this post is old, but an answer would be appreciated.

    Please note how Millmouse posted the medical establishment uses the terms ‘female circumcision’ and ‘female genital mutilation’ as the SAME THING.

    So, your comment about the “medical establishment understanding this” is false!