Actually they're whining about a "backlash" -- something that has hardly ever materialized despite constant mainstream media focusing upon it after virtually every jihad arrest -- and claiming victim status.
Memo to Dallas Muslims: want to make sure there is no backlash? Here are some easy steps.
1. Stop committing violent acts. When you hear Muslims plotting violent acts in your local mosque, call the police and FBI.
2. Confront those Muslims who justify violence and Islamic supremacism by reference to the Qur'an and Sunnah, and argue against the applicability of those passages to our age or any other age in the future.
3. Confront and report those Muslims who say violent or hateful things in private when they think no non-Muslims are around.
4. Begin comprehensive and transparently inspectable programs in your mosques and schools to teach against the ideas of violent jihad and Islamic supremacism, and the virtues of the U.S. Constitutional principles of non-establishment of religion, equality of rights for all, and freedom of speech.
5. Actively work with Western law enforcement officials on long-range programs to identify and apprehend jihadists and root out the jihad doctrine and Islamic supremacism from within Western Muslim communities.
"Dallas-area Muslims fear backlash from arrests tied to terror plot," by Selwyn Crawford for The Dallas Morning News, October 19 (thanks to Peter):
North Texans were both angry and relieved last month when federal agents arrested a Jordanian teenager in a failed plot to blow up a Dallas skyscraper.But for area Muslims, the arrest of 19-year-old Hosam "Sam" Smadi evoked yet another emotion - fear.
"Being a Muslim in America today is not easy," said Hadi Jawad, a longtime Dallas business owner and a volunteer at the Dallas Peace Center. "We feel under siege. There is open season on our faith. Muslims are painted with a broad brush."
No, they aren't. Mainstream media types are always quick to claim, even on the slimmest of evidence, that this or that terror attack has nothing to do with Islam, that Islam teaches peace, that all Muslims condemn, etc. But Jawad and other Muslims could do much more to stop this alleged broad-brush painting by opposing jihad activity more forthrightly and energetically, instead of simply whining about backlash when a jihadist is caught.
Jawad and other Muslims praise the work of law enforcement in arresting Smadi, as well as two other terrorism suspects in New York and Illinois. But because of all three suspects' Islamic faith, they say the arrests cast aspersions on Islam that hearken back to the atmosphere that existed immediately after 9/11.Though most area Muslims are quick to say the mood of the country has not returned to that bitter level, most add that their lives here would be practically unbearable if any Muslim terrorist were to carry out another attack on American soil
"We have to work toward a common yardstick of justice, but we are just one catastrophic incident away from the post-9/11 atmosphere and even worse," said Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council in Washington, a Muslim civil rights organization. "We have to accept the double standards, as bad as they are. That's just the fact, unfortunately."
And MPAC has not helped. Just the opposite.
Muslims in North Texas say they don't know of any physical assaults on them of late, but that after any high-profile negative event involving Muslims - such as the arrest of Smadi - they face increased racial taunts and verbal harassment.
Poor dears! Poor fragile lambs! Christians in Egypt are being wantonly murdered, but Muslims in North Texas are being...called names!
Al-Marayati says suspicions about Muslims persist, in large part, because Americans - most of whom are Christian - either can't or won't make a distinction between the mainstream and fringe elements of Islam, while they discern that difference for others. He says, for example, that when non-Muslims commit extreme acts, they are quickly dismissed as being crazy or weird or having some deep-seated emotional problem, and are not viewed as representative of an entire group of people.But Muslim bad actors, he said, don't get the same treatment.
"When a Christian does something ... that's how it's reported, that they happen to be a Christian," Al-Marayati said. "But if it's a Muslim, it's as if it's the [Muslim] religion that's driving it."
Al-Marayati is setting up a familiar smokescreen, but for all its common usage it still doesn't make any sense. Why do people see the Muslim religion as driving terrorist acts? Because Muslims say so. Repeatedly. Just the other day we say Anwar al-Awlaki saying, "Whenever you see the word terrorism, replace it with the word jihad."
In March 2009, five Muslims accused of helping plot the September 11 attacks, including the notorious Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, wrote an "Islamic Response to the Government's Nine Accusations." In it they quote the Koran to justify their jihad war against the American Infidels. "In God's book," asserts the letter, "he ordered us to fight you everywhere we find you, even if you were inside the holiest of all holy cities, The Mosque in Mecca, and the holy city of Mecca, and even during sacred months. In God's book, verse 9 [actually verse 5], Al-Tawbah [the Koran's 9th chapter]: Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, and besiege them and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush."
Osama bin Laden's communiqués have also quoted the Koran copiously. In his 1996 "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places," he quotes seven Koran verses: 3:145; 47:4-6; 2:154; 9:14; 47:19; 8:72; and the notorious "Verse of the Sword," 9:5. Bin Laden began his October 6, 2002, letter to the American people with two Koran quotations, both of a martial bent: "Permission to fight (against disbelievers) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged and surely, Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory" (22:39) and "Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (anything worshipped other than Allah e.g. Satan). So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan" (4:76)."
In a sermon broadcast in 2003, bin Laden rejoiced in a Koranic exhortation to violence as being a means to establish the truth: "Praise be to Allah who revealed the verse of the Sword to his servant and messenger [the Islamic Prophet Muhammad], in order to establish truth and abolish falsehood." The "Verse of the Sword" is Koran 9:5: "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
The idea that the Koran commands them to do violence to unbelievers runs from the very top of the international jihadist movement - Osama bin Laden - down to the rank and file. Overall, it is extremely rare - if not impossible - to find a jihadist who does not cite the Koran to justify his actions. Britain-based jihadist preacher, Abu Yahya, asserts simply, "It says in the Koran that we must try as much as we can to terrorise the enemy." And Pakistani jihad leader Beitullah Mehsud claims that "Allah on 480 occasions in the Holy Koran extols Muslims to wage jihad. We only fulfill God's orders. Only jihad can bring peace to the world." He specified that his jihad - struggle in Arabic - was an offensive military operation: "We will continue our struggle until foreign troops are thrown out. Then we will attack them in the US and Britain until they either accept Islam or agree to pay jazia." The "jazia," or jizya, is a tax that the Koran (9:29) specifies must be levied on Jews, Christians, and some other non-Muslim faiths as a sign of their subjugation under the Islamic social order.
One pro-Osama website put it this way: "The truth is that a Muslim who reads the Koran with devotion is determined to reach the battlefield in order to attain the reality of Jihad. It is solely for this reason that the Kufaar [unbelievers] conspire to keep the Muslims far away from understanding the Koran, knowing that Muslims who understand the Koran will not distance themselves from Jihad."
That is what al-Marayati would not have us notice. There are simply no Christians or Jews committing violence and justifying it with reference to Biblical texts. The situation in Islam is very different.
Mohamed Elibiary, president of the Freedom and Justice Foundation, a Muslim interfaith organization in Plano, agrees."The average American thinks it must be the religion" that pushes Muslim extremists, Elibiary said. "There must be something about them. That sentiment has been there since 9/11, and it hasn't gone anywhere."
Re the slick Elibiary, see here. Gee, Mohamed, where could people have gotten that "sentiment"?
"Being a Muslim in America today is not easy"
Yeah, it's getting harder and harder wage Jihad on these unsuspecting kuffars.
Try being a Christian in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. you self-pitying whiner. Really, how many more Muslims complaining how terrible it is to be a Muslim in the West do we have to listen to when 1) Muslims in the West enjoy far more freedom than do non-Muslims in Muslim lands and 2) Muslims continue to commit all kinds of felonious activities in the name of their religion while Christians, Jews, Buddhists and those of other faiths commit next to none while invoking their faith. Fed up. Why isn't everyone? Ah, so sick of Islam.
When I hear the evening news, local or national, people are not identified by religion. Or am I the only one who does not hear these religious identifications?
I agree, Wellington. to which I would add that 3) Muslims continue to flock to the United States and the rest of the West, despite their allegedly feeling "under siege" here.
more:
North Texans were both angry and relieved last month when federal agents arrested a Jordanian teenager in a failed plot to blow up a Dallas skyscraper.
But for area Muslims, the arrest of 19-year-old Hosam "Sam" Smadi evoked yet another emotion - fear.
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Strange, isn't it, that even a "longtime Dallas business owner" such as Hadi Jawad does not consider himself a fellow North Texan like all of his neighbors. No, he is Muslim, first and foremost.
And the fear he feels is not that one of his crazed co-religionists will blow up part of his great city and murder his fellow citizens, but that some of those citizens might eye him suspiciously afterwards.
The "Dallas Morning News" is so Dhimmified it's not funny.
They also excused Smadi the recent Jihadist because his mommy died. And because he was so depressed and "troubled" about it. Really. And because he was away from his family. The DMN is pathetic.
“Though most area Muslims are quick to say the mood of the country has not returned to that bitter level, most add that their lives here would be practically unbearable if any Muslim terrorist were to carry out another attack on American soil.”
What is it a Muslim fears most about another terror attack? Senseless death, and destruction? The weakening of the country they live in? No. They are worried about being treated rudely in the supermarket.
As terrible as that is, they still will not do anything about preventing a religiously inspired terror attack.
Thank you, Mr Spencer for your 5 points. It is one of the best things you have done -- a simple appeal to common sense and decency that has little or no chance of being implemented because sometimes Muslims have to be forced into doing the right thing.
It is too bad.
Yet it is Muslims that are arrested on a routine basis plotting to murder Americans and others. So exactly who is really under siege in this country?
If only. There is no "aspersions" cast on Islam in mainstream media or political discourse (much to our detriment). Instead the media and our politicians seem to never miss the chance to remind us all that Islam is a "religion of peace" and find numerous other ways to pander to the gods of the political correctness and multiculturalism when it comes to Islam.
Hogwash. There is not "double standard" being applied to the Muslims. To the contrary, the media and government do everything to disassociate Islam and Muslims from jihad terrorism.
Hmm, so non-Muslims toss the occasional insult at a Muslim, while Muslims are plotting to murder non-Muslims. Which is the bigger issue? It would seem that many Muslims are opposed to jihad terrorism insofar as it affects them, but are not necessarily opposed to it in and of itself.
As usual, the slick Islamic apologist to muddle the issue, much to the delight of the liberal-left media. The reason that some people (unfortunately not enough) assume a relationship between jihad terrorists and the religious teachings of Islam is because the jihad terrorists state this relationship quite clearly and without shame. It wasn't Robert Spencer, Geert Wilders, or any of the other usual "Islamophobes" that first claimed this relationship, but rather the Muslim jihadists themselves.
Memo To Robert:
One five hundred thousandth…gee, how small is that percentage, Robert?
Some Jordanian teenager, a kid, who doesn’t even live in Dallas, who is living in America illegally, a foreigner, that no one in the community even knows, goes on line expressing an anti-American attitude and gets lured by FBI agents who entrapped him.
They lead him into attempting to commit a terrorist act with a motive they fed and a means and opportunity they created and with equipment the FBI provided, along with agents who lead him into it and even rode along with him, and, and in spite of all their rhetoric about suggesting to him multiple times there were other non-violent ways, they had already taken this stupid kid to the edge and pushed him…that basically boils down to the “Well, your honor, we had to cover our ass somehow…so we made the token effort at talking him down off the ledge, just before we shoved him.”
Now, Robert, there is like half a million Muslims in Texas and out of all these American citizens, permanent members of the community, this one stupid transient foreign kid was lead into and entrapped by the FBI into what he did and you make it seem like a community wide issue.
Robert, you have no idea how stupid this makes you look.
Let’s address your asinine points one at a time, shall we?
Robert’s false projection # “1) Stop committing violent acts. When you hear Muslims plotting violent acts in your local mosque, call the police and FBI.”
Here Robert makes the biggest ass out of himself…projecting his paranoia as if there were a pandemic of violence. Hey, dipstick, 1/500,000 th, and the kid was a stranger no one knew and the FBI entrapped him into the act...gee, wouldn't have even happened had they not lead him into it.
Robert, no one plots violence in local mosques in Dallas.
You are the biggest ass for making a statement like this.
You’ve never even been here…if so, state when and where, which Mosque you visited and who you spoke to? My guess is you don’t have the guts to show your face around here.
Robert’s false projection # “2. Confront those Muslims who justify violence and Islamic supremacism by reference to the Qur'an and Sunnah, and argue against the applicability of those passages to our age or any other age in the future."
Or, we could simply address your abject stupidity in thinking like this and correct your ignorance…woops, no chance there…that would stem sales on your latest screamer, wouldn’t it?
Robert, the only one who thinks like this is the one with an incentive to generate sales...you…no one in Dallas thinks like this.
Robert’s false projection # “3. Confront and report those Muslims who say violent or hateful things in private when they think no non-Muslims are around.”
Robert, no one here says these things…only you, Robert, only you.
Robert’s false projection # “4. Begin comprehensive and transparently inspeactable programs in your mosques ans schools to teach against the ideas of violent jihad and Islamic supremacism, and the virtues of the U.S. Constitutional principles of non-establishment of religion, equality of rights for all, and freedom of speech.”
Robert, (audible sigh) damn Son, I have never read of anyone with such a phobia as you.
These things aren’t taught here…the only person who thinks like this is you…man, it must be really lonely in that rubber room you call your mind.
And this part, Robert, “virtues of the U.S. Constitutional principles of non-establishment of religion,” man, you gotta have a wingnut loose.
It’s freedom of religion, not “non-establishment.”
And we do exercise our Constitutional right to freedom of religion as well as freedom of assembly…the only cretin trying to restrict constitutional rights is you Robert.
Robert’s false projection # “5. Actively work with Western law enforcement officials on long-range programs to identify and apprehend jihadists and root out the jihad doctrine and Islamic supremacism from within Western Muslim communities.”
Robert, any time #5 occurs, and it does with regularity, you squeal like a stuck pig about infiltrators and how the “creeping Sharia” is taking over because of Muslims groups working with the FBI…you are an insincere gold digging yellow journalist…you and I both know you won’t be happy with anything positive that ever happens…you will nay say and squeal like a pig at every single turn in the road until the nails get hammered into your box and the pig finally gets caged.
Well, one thing’s for sure, Robert seems to be one big false projection after another.
What a hypocrite you are, Robert, standing there with your dirty little paintbrush broad stroking evil projections while trying to pain all Muslims with them, and all the while stating the opposite as if you were some sort of “good guy” just trying to do right.
Roberts bold faced lie ( he does this often )“That is what al-Marayati would not have us notice. There are simply no Christians or Jews committing violence and justifying it with reference to Biblical texts. The situation in Islam is very different.”
IDF Rabbis issued legal rulings to just that effect, religiously sanctioned murder of civilians in Gaza…a terrorist act based upon Jewish religious doctrine as issued by IDF Rabbis.
Robert, you have proven once again that you are a liar.
Peace
Abdullah
Abd = Slave..nuff said.
If I didn't know any better, then I would say that AM is obsessed with Robert -- he's like an internet stalker. Bet he wears women's underwear, too.
Ab Mik never ceases to amaze.
First, a 19-year-old is not a "kid." Legally, he's an adult. So, stop with your minimizing tactics.
Second, your low-brow insults against Spencer?
Ab Mik, if you had even 1/16 the intelligence and perspicacity of Spencer, your puny, simian, brainwashed-by-Islam IQ would increase significantly. As it is however, you actually believe that a 7th century AD Arabian Warlord heard from "God" in a cave. LOL! Gotta love those "self-proclaimed Prophets!" They're so...so...so...legitimate, you know?! lol
Concerning your "pig" reference to Robert, you've got that backwards - you are the grunting and rooting swine. Now, take your snout and wallow in some mud, which is where you belong.
Islam is truly a vile poison that demolishes the individual's capability for independent thought, which Ab Mik demonstrates every time he comments.
See ya, swine! Enjoy your porcine romps in the ooze!
Oh, look, Abdullah Mikail is back. I refuse to even read his post, just happened to catch the name while scrolling.
Amazing how he disappears for great lengths of time and is therefore silent on posts about the neverending vile behavior of his co-religionists. But post a story about Muslims whining about supposed unfair treatment/prejudice and suddenly he's back!
Look, what is happening here, is this:
in Muslim-dominated countries Muslims have always practised, and still do practise, collective punishment against non-Muslim minority groups.
If just one dhimmi breaks, or is even suspected of having broken, or merely alleged [and such allegations seem very often to have been deliberately invented out of whole cloth, with malice aforethought] to have 'broken the dhimma', his ENTIRE COMMUNITY is held responsible, and frequently attacked in a full-scale pogrom.
I've just been reading through the historical testimonies in 'Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism' and over and over and over, 'overwhelmingly disproportionate collective punishment' is the only way one can correctly describe the typical Muslim response to an actual or perceived or invented-by-Muslim-propagandists 'infraction' against Muslims, by a member of a subjected minority.
*That* is why so many Arab Muslims bolted out of what is now Israel, in 1947-49; because they were terrified that the Jews, obtaining the upper hand, would do to them, the Muslims, exactly as they, the Muslims, if victorious, would most assuredly have done to the Jews.
And that is why Muslims were terrified in immediately-post-9/11 USA; because they were expecting to be treated as they would have served a non-Muslim minority, if the positions had been reversed.
Muslims have ALWAYS practised collective and disproportionate 'punishment' upon non-Muslims, whether their non-Muslim neighbours, attacked during jihad, or their dhimmi populations. *They* don't bother about distinguishing 'lone nutcases' or 'a tiny minority of extremists' from among the kuffar; all kuffar are held responsible for whatever any one kafir does.
When living among powerful non-Muslims, they *fear* the same thing might happen to themselves, and so they DEMAND that collective punishment should *not* be applied, that we must look *only* at the individual Muslim carrying out the terror raid, we *must* dissociate him from his community..
'Don't do to us what we would do to you!!!! Waah!'
"Being a Muslim in America today is not easy," said Hadi Jawad, a longtime Dallas business owner and a volunteer at the Dallas Peace Center. "We feel under siege. There is open season on our faith. Muslims are painted with a broad brush."
If it's so damn horrible to "be a muslim in America", please, "be a muslim" somewhere else. America won't miss you a bit and you'll be much happier in an islam-friendly environment, surrounded by diseased acolytes of muhammad like yourself. Misery loves company.
As for "feeling under seige", how in the hell do you think AMERICANS FEEL?!!!!! When 99.9% of the daily heinous, barbaric, senseless terror attacks are commited by devout muslims, why shouldn't muslims be "painted with a broad brush"? That ubiquitous cliche, "painted with a broad brush", has become as boring and meaningless as accusations of "racism" and "islamophobia". Time for a new and clever catch-phrase to enhance your grievance theater routine and endless propaganda campaigns.
When we figure out how to read minds, maybe poor, pitiful muslims won't be treated so unfairly but until then, all muslims are potential terrorists and as far as I'm concerned, muslims should be treated here like non-muslims are treated throughout the islamic world. Maybe then they would stay the hell away. I'll save my sympathy for the poor Christians who are murdered, brutalized, and persecuted in Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Pakistan, and every other islamic hellhole on earth by inferior, subhuman muslim barbarians.
dumbledoresarmy,
A similar thing happened after the Theo Van Gogh slaughter. I read that there was an eery calm in all the Muslim sections of Dutch cities. The logical conclusion I came to at the time was that they were expecting what their own countries do when things like that happen: lynch mobs, religious police rounding people up, riots, etc. Of course, being non-Muslims, Dutch people don't roll that way, and not a thing happened to Muslims in Holland.
"Of course, being non-Muslims, Dutch people don't roll that way, and not a thing happened to Muslims in Holland." Hesperado......as it should have!
Frankly, oppressiondetester, I'm not so sure about that anymore.
"It would seem that many Muslims are opposed to jihad terrorism insofar as it affects them, but are not necessarily opposed to it in and of itself. " -- Virgil
Very well said, but could we expect any less from Virgil?
Just for satisfying Muslims, why cant we have a backlash?
Muslims are always going on about this feared 'backlash'
What the hell do they have to say about the 'FRONTLASH' created by their co-religionists? It's never some misty possibility like their treasured 'backlash' rubbish -- the 'frontlash' always knvolves acts or planned acts of murderous violence -- sometimes mass murder as in 9/11 -- or the attempts at mass death planned by the recently convicted 'frontlashers' here in Australia.
abdullah is an incorrigible liar!
How many muhammadans in Texas, abdullah?
You claimed...what...half a million????
LOL! LOL!
Try 140,000.
What a liar!
What a loser!
Errata Sheet:
For "Muslims in North Texas say they don't know of any physical assaults on them of late, but that after any high-profile negative event involving Muslims - such as the arrest of Smadi - they face increased racial taunts and verbal harassment."
Read "Muslims in North Texas say they don't know of any physical assaults on them of late, but claim that after any Muslim involvement in planned or executed terrorist acts -- such as the arrest of Smadi - they feel that taunts and other forms of verbal harassment might follow."
There.
That's better.
Abdullah Mikail wrote:
Robert’s false projection # “4. Begin comprehensive and transparently inspeactable programs in your mosques ans schools to teach against the ideas of violent jihad and Islamic supremacism, and the virtues of the U.S. Constitutional principles of non-establishment of religion, equality of rights for all, and freedom of speech.”
Robert, (audible sigh) damn Son, I have never read of anyone with such a phobia as you.
These things aren’t taught here…the only person who thinks like this is you…man, it must be really lonely in that rubber room you call your mind.
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"These things aren't taught here"--well, except, when they are.
"Pro-Khomeini imam to pray before Texas Senate"
Imam Yusuf Kavakci of the Dallas Central Mosque is not just pro-Khomeini, whom he refers to as a "great Islamic visionary"--he also reveres radical Islamists Yusuf Qaradawi and Hasan al-Turabi, and his mosque stocks Saudi-sponsored hate literature.
A couple of years ago, the mosque "hosted a youth quiz competition, sponsored by two national organizations closely tied to the worldwide Islamist movement. Kids were tested on the work of premier jihad ideologist Sayyid Qutb."
Nope--no Islamic supremacism in any mosque in Dallas--it's all a figment of Robert Spencer's Islamophobia and paranoia. sarc/off
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55031
Yankel,
Why am I not surprised you are 19 years behind the times in your data?
http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/MM/irmxh.html
"In 1990 there were approximately 140,000 Muslims in Texas"
Peace
Abdullah
gravenimage,
You don't even know this Imam.
This Imam is one of the most well liked and respected Imams by all faith groups in Dallas. He has spoken many times at Temple Shalom and United Methodist Church and many other venues. His lectures are very well attended by many people of many differrent faiths and he is very well known as the most moderate, tolerant, and peaceful person, a true scholar of faith.
Those who know him among the Jewish and Christian communities here would laugh at how stupid you just made yourself look.
Peace
Abdullah
I was going to comment on Roberts 5-point plan, and how those who follow islam could never do these without rejecting some base/core ideas of the islamic faith.
However, Abdullah made my point, in a 'round the blackstone way. Those who follow islam will never, in truth, accept the ideas that Robert highlights in his five points.
Islam itself is the enemy of mankind, and is a spawn of satan, who is raising his army to confront the body of Christ, for satan knows his time is short.
If the shoe fits, consider it for purchase.
AM : Robert, no one plots violence in local mosques in Dallas.
So they are the only mosques in the world with non-violent moslems? Now we all know you're lying. Here's how: Do they preach from the quran? Then they preach hate and violence.
There that was easy!
By the way, you never answered my question that I've repeatedly asked you. I'll try again: Abdullah Mikail, are you an advocate of child molestation as your 'Perfect Man', mohammed (Pedophile, misogynist, murderer, liar, maniac, thief, parasite etc) was?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
You said 1/2 million. I know muhammadans breed like rats, but I still call you a bullshit artist for pretending that there are 1/2 million muhammadans in Texas.
307,000,000 divide .6% (CIA factbook on how many people claim moslems religion in the U.S.)
This gives us 1,842,000 moslems in the U.S.
Given islamic propensity for exaggeration I'm sure your claim of 500,000 is more like 200,000, if that many.
"The first census in 2000 counted 1,209 mosques. The tally became controversial when the census announced more than 6 million Muslims were in the USA. That figure was so high it would have vaulted Islam into one of the five largest religious denominations in the country.
But lead researcher Ihsan Bagby, now associate professor of Islamic studies at the University of Kentucky-Lexington, says the 6 million figure actually was a "ballpark estimate." Bagby says he "extrapolated" the total from the 1.8 million adults counted in attendance by imams and mosque leaders. He wrapped in estimated numbers of family members who didn't attend, people in prison and people who may go to the mosque only for major festivals. No other national survey has counted anything close to Bagby's numbers.
And by 'ballpark estimate' he actually meant 'lie'.
But as scholar of Islam Daniel Pipes writes, Bagby’s interpretation amounts to “a case of survey research being distorted by its sponsors to hide the actual results. This is intellectual fraud and political deception.”
Not really, Daniel, it's just islam being islam.
"When a Christian does something ... that's how it's reported, that they happen to be a Christian," Al-Marayati said. "But if it's a Muslim, it's as if it's the [Muslim] religion that's driving it."
I am so sick of seeing this comparison.
No Christian is fighting a "holy war"(jihad) to impose Christianity as the world wide political power on Earth.
Islam and only Islam has in its very dogma,a command by its inventor, Mohamed a murdering, lying, seventh century sexually deviant, political despot.
It is the Muslims themselves who quote from their Book of Hate, the Quran,to justify the acts of violence.
There is no reason to NOT take them at their word.
Politically motivated marginalization.
The only scientifically based study was performed during the Reagan Administration to arrive at the 3,000,000 way back then.
According to the same state Department in Ronald Reagan's administration had the number at 3,000,000 Muslims in America alone at that time well over 20 years ago.
Growth rate in Texas is 247% from approximately 150,000 to 450,000 in thirteen years.
Do the math Morgan, since the Reagan Administration add immigration totals yearly and then project for birth rates and rates of conversion and you'll come up with a more feasible number.
Bridges TV the first Muslim broadcast channel in America did a market survey and published that there were 10,000,000 North American Muslims in their market.
I trust their numbers more because they are based on buying and selling.
And by the way the pew study done recently published the Pakistani Muslim population at "X" and the Pakistani Embassy proved through immigration paperwork that the real number of Muslims from Pakistan was very much higher.
Do the math.
The estimated population of Muslims in North America is on the order of 10,000,000...based on current market survey's by Bridges TV, and population projections from these and other studies:
Psychiatric News January 21, 2005
Volume 40 Number 2
2005 American Psychiatric Association
p. 13
Professional News
Mich. Has Largest U.S. Muslim Population
Michigan has the second-largest Arab community outside the Middle East, after Paris. About 300,000 people of Arab descent live in southeast Michigan, including significant numbers of Iraqi, Lebanese, Yemeni, and Palestinian Americans. Almost two-thirds of the population were born in the United States, and 40 percent of those born outside of the country have moved here since 1980, according to data from the Arab Community Center for Economic and Social Services (ACCESS) Web site www.accesscommunity.org and the Detroit News.
Two-thirds of Arab Americans in the United States speak fluent English, and three-quarters use Arabic language media to keep informed. More than 90 percent of Arab Americans have close friends or family in the Middle East, and almost 65 percent have traveled there.
Demographers estimate that more than 8 million Muslims live in the United States, making them the second-largest religious community in the country. About half of Arab Americans are Muslim, while the other half identify themselves as Christian. In the past few decades, Islam has become the fastest-growing religion in the United States.
Methods-Based Estimates
Over the last twenty years, there have been only a few estimates of the Muslim population based on data and an explicit methodology.
Stone
Stone (1991) estimated the Muslim population in United States by taking the national origins of the U.S. population in 1980 according to the Census ancestry question and assuming that the same percentage of U.S. residents from these groups was Muslim as the proportion of Muslim residents in these nations, and then adding a large estimate for Muslims among African Americans. This gave an estimate of 3,300,000 in 1980. This number was then brought forward to 1986 by adding in an estimate of births plus immigrants during 1980-86 (assuming, as before, that immigrants matched the religious profile of their countries of origin). This gave a 1986 estimate of 4,000,000.
Mosque Study Project
A fourth approach estimates the Muslim population through studying Islamic organizations. There are considerable differences in estimates of the number of mosques and Islamic centers in the United States. Eck (2001) says there are nearly 1400 mosques; the Council on American-Islamic Relations reports that there are "almost 2,000 mosques, schools, and Islamic centers." Mujahid (2001) states that there are "3,000 small and large Islamic centers, mosques, and prayer locations."
The most rigorous estimate was from the Mosque Study Project 2000 (Bagby, Perl, and Froehle, 2001) which combined seven lists of mosques, eliminated duplicates, and attempted to verify the existence of each place. This generated a final list of 1209 mosques in 2000. The researchers then drew a sample of 631 and were successful in obtaining information about 416 of the mosques. They found that 340 adults and children regularly participated in the average mosque, and that 1629 were "associated in any way with the religious life of the mosque."
This converts to a national estimate of 1,969,000 mosque-associated Muslims nationally.
On the one hand, these figures naturally exclude all Muslims not associated with a known mosque. On the other hand, there are several reasons to question the 1629 per mosque figure. First, denominations and congregations in general frequently overestimate their membership (Smith, 1991). This typically comes from both intentional overstatements and the failure to cull former members from the rolls. Second, the estimate of 1629 Muslims associated per mosque is very high. It is 2.4 times greater than a similar figure from 1994, 5.6 times greater than the average number attending weekly prayers, and 4.8 times the number of adults and children who regularly participate in the mosques. The mean figure is also 3.3 times the median mosque size of 500. In fact almost 15 percent of the mosque-affiliated Muslims in their sample come from two mosques, each reporting 50,000 affiliates. Third, individuals may be associated with more than one mosque and therefore be double counted. Duplication is particularly likely for the "associated in any way" figure, since the net is cast so broadly. Finally, the report acknowledges that small mosques were underrepresented in the achieved sample of 416 mosques, and this would bias upwards estimates of the size of the average mosque.
In addition to the estimate of 1,969,000 mosque-associated Muslims, Bagby, Perl, and Froehle (2001) also state that "estimates of a total Muslim population of 6-7 million in America seem reasonable in light of the figure of 2 million Muslims who associate with a mosque." However, this assertion seems untenable. It increases the total number Muslims by three to three-and-a-half fold and assumes that for every Muslim associated in any way with a mosque, there are 2 to 2.5 other Muslims with no association whatsoever.
There you have various credible estimates all in excess of current politically motivated marginalizatoins published such as the Pew 'study" and CIA current ".6%"
In closing I point out that the scientific methodology used in the 1986 estimate of 4,000,000 Muslims is higher than I had previously assumed due to Reagan Administration estimates...but projecting modestly based upon factual growth rates in Texas alone, and being very conservative, we arrive at an estimated population in America and Canada easily on the order of 10,000,000.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
Abdullah Mikail wrote:
Bridges TV the first Muslim broadcast channel in America did a market survey and published that there were 10,000,000 North American Muslims in their market.
I trust their numbers more because they are based on buying and selling.
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Bridges TV? That would be the station founded by the Muslim who recently "honored killed" his poor wife by savagely beheading her. What source could possibly be more trustworthy?
As to the idea that Imam Yusuf Kavakci must be a moderate because of his interfaith outreach, this makes little sense.
Do the Jewish and Christian congregations he addresses believe an Imam who admires Khomeini, Sayyid Qutb, Yusuf Qaradawi, and Hasan al-Turabi, and whose mosque stocks Saudi-sponsored hate literature is a "moderate"? If so, they are unspeakably foolish.
It is also possible--and much more likely--that these hopeful and naive Jews and Christians simply do not know about this side of the good Imam.
How about you? Do you believe that a Muslim who admires these extreme Islamists is a "moderate"? Do you admire these men yourself and consider them "good Muslims"?
AM :
You're still a tiny, insignificant part of the religious demographic of the U.S. (Why add Canada in? Oh, to boost your numbers. Gotcha!)
The greatest gain in popularity is secularism. I'd post the multitude of links I did my research on but you've already wasted enough time derailing this topic.
As the world becomes more informed and educated expect that to continue.
Bye-bye superstition!
Oh, and I almost for got to ask you (yet again)...
Abdullah Mikail, are you an advocate of child molestation as your 'Perfect Man', mohammed (Pedophile, misogynist, murderer, liar, maniac, thief, parasite etc) was?
I am still happy to accept a simple yes or no. Dodging the question just makes you look more and more shady, which is quite the accomplishment given how shady we all think you are.
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Looks like Abdultard knows there are "half a million" mofs in Texas. You ever notice how they like to emphasize their numbers?
All that tells me is that we need to DECREASE their numbers, since they make so much a point of them.
They are obviously using it as a threat or a bargaining chip of some form or other.
Let's just say the Texas and the entire USA would not be at all worse off if there weren't a single moslem anywhere in the country.
The money we would save on welfare payments and security alone!
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