Faleh Hassan Almaleki is still at large. "Iraqi man runs down daughter for becoming too 'westernized,'" from Yourwestvalley.com, October 21 (thanks to Art):
Peoria police are searching for a man they say ran down his 20-year-old daughter in a parking lot for becoming "too 'westernized' and ... not living according to their traditional Iraq values."
Noor Faleh Almaleki of Surprise was taken to a local hospital with life-threatening injuries, police said. Another woman, Amal Edan Khalaf, 43, of Surprise also was struck and is in the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.
The incident occurred Tuesday afternoon in Department of Economic Security parking lot at 8990 W. Peoria Ave....
Detectives from the Peoria Police Violent Crimes Unit, after talking with family and friends, learned Faleh Hassan Almaleki, 48, of Glendale was the driver, and that he is the father of Noor Faleh Almaleki.
Those interviewed also told police he was with her as she had become too "westernized" and had made threats toward her....
It is time to establish a list of the growing honor killings that are occurring in North America, much in the same way as our Terrorist attack list since 9-11.
Pig.
The incident occurred Tuesday afternoon in Department of Economic Security parking lot...
In other words, these Moslems were over to the welfare to pick up this week's free money check, or maybe to fill out an application for additional economic assistance (Jizya).
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No wonder he tried to kill his daughter. He feels disgusted with himself being around all those industrious Infidels down there in Zona, including his hard working social worker.
I'm missing something here: immigrate to the USA for the freedom and justice available here and then whine because your very fortunate offspring (fortunate to get to live in this land) are influenced by the freedom and justice here.... Somebody please help me out with this....
How much you want to bet this piece of trash flees the US and ends up in some Krapistan somewhere like other brave, brave muslim killers (or in this case would be killer) of their daughters?
I guess this explains how the lunacy of islam continues to be spread from generation to generation, they murder their women who are capable of independent thought.
This is how the true believers reconcile the unstoppable progress of civilization that pollutes ilsam within its’ midst. But, hey, no one ever said when in Dar al-Islam, so as islamists do, because unlike Rome, it had the decency to evolve, change and become part of history (the sliver of Il Papa’s Vatican excluded).
Pig.
Hey watch it, undaunted! I take offense to that. Pork-bearing animals are fine creatures, even despite the recent H1N1 smear, which is the latest worldwide conspiracy to bankrupt pig farmers.
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The Pork Council is working on that problem, but the Council on American-Islamic Relations apparently is not.
But then again they are a civil rights ogranization, not an animal rights organization.
Wonderin1, the problem is that you have set up a false premise. You said, "immigrate to the USA for the freedom and justice available here," but that's not why they are here. They are not here to enjoy our freedoms or justice, but to replace those very freedoms and justice with Sharia law.
Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, founder of Jamaat-i-Islami, has said, "Islam wishes to destroy all States and Governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam regardless of the country or the Nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which Nation assumes the role of the standard bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State." [Jihad in Islam p9].
Believe him.
he hiding in the nearest mosque, the last place the cops will think to look!
OH! Of Course! How silly of me! Thanks, GmcCal! When will I get it through my head: "not everyone loves the idea of freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom to vote, freedom to love..." I keep forgetting! It really is NOT a religion, is it? "Why... why... it's starting to look an awful lot like the political ideology of madmen! [insert dramatic music cue here]" spoofing OFF/ Like many other Americans, I'm one of those just waking up to the truth and I'm indebted to you and others on this site for helping me to struggle to awareness. History will show, I think, that Americans tried as hard as they knew how to allow others the privilege of their own beliefs. I pray that history will also show that we woke up to this particular form of fascism/madness - in time. Heaven grant, that we can save these children of madmen - even if the parents remain uninterested.
Mackie has made a very worthwhile point. Is there a web-site that documents honor killings in America (or even the West in general)? If not, is there anyone interested in establishing one?
What's a beautiful and loving daughter compared to eternal orgasm with 72 heavenly sex whores?
I ask you...
The Florida judge in the Rifqa Berry matter needs to be made aware of this incident.
Why are Muslims in our country?
Why are we letting the depraved-by-Islam Lunatics in?
Because of our Mohammedan "president," Hussein?
Please visit http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/honor_killings/
for more information on Honor Killings. I happened to notice the link among the dozens, here on Mr. Spencer's great web-site, on the front page in the right nav-bar list.
Thanks!
Wonderin1
Allah blessed this Muslim dude with a LOT of scary face.
It is good that we are taking in all of these Iraqi refugees, right? How are they really different from the Islamists that they are supposedly fleeing? It is amazing that no matter where some of these people go, the mental baggage remains.
FUGLY!! ...both inside and out! What a mohammedan barbarian thug!
Cultural, for sure, just what "culture" I dare not fathom a guess.
Awake, are you suggesting that Islam is behind it all? ...what an Islamophobe!
An appeal to you knowledgable lot - anyone know where this honour killing took place?
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1255896810/Muslim_Girl_Stomped_Flat_In_Honor_Revenge
It's been talked about round the blogosphere, but the word is she had sex with a chap and so, naturally, had to be put to death. By Muslim blokes, apparently.
It's tough stuff to watch. You're warned.
Styrer
What a repulsive looking guy! ...ick! ...he looks like an overstuffed gerbil.
The burden to the world which is Islam continues unabated.
Jowl Jihad.
Our radio talk show host says we simply do not have honor killings here in the United States.
cherishing your children is Un-Islamic
By Muslim blokes, apparently....
Except that this is a Yazidi girl being stomped by Yazidi's because she ran off with a mohametan boy. The incident resulted in a nasty Al Q truck bomb attack on the Yazidi village, by mohametans, killing hundreds.
nabi ZK (pbum)
Thanks.
So was it an honour killing?
Styrer
Perhaps PETA can unite with CAIR and mount a jihad against the other white meat while they're at it?
Sure, they'll get my pork...
...when they pry it from my warm, sticky, sauce-covered infidel fingers.
:)....nope.
He could survive his face fat for awhile for sure;)
Seriously, I wonder who is sheltering him now?
He could survive his face fat for awhile for sure;)
Seriously, I wonder who is sheltering him now?
"Mackie has made a very worthwhile point. Is there a web-site that documents honor killings in America (or even the West in general)?"
It should be the West in general. Germany, for example, has a worse problem than the US: something like one honor killing a month for several years now, mostly perpetrated by those "moderate secular" Turks, immigrants into Germany from Turkey.
You can take the Muslim out of the house of Islam, but damned if you take Islam out of the Muslim.
Searching this story on Google news, NONE included the words, "Islam" or "honor killing". Why does the media force us to read between the lines on such an important issue?
It must be hell to move to the West and watch your children become "westernized". Normal people do not move their families to a place that is incompatible with their religion and culture and expect them to pretend they're still living in an islamic wasteland. That's too much to ask or expect. These islamic colonists might migrate to a Western country for the sole purpose of transforming it into another islamic hellhole, but do they really expect their children to remain loyal to an archaic, radical, joyless ideology after being exposed to freedom and the many pleasures life has to offer?
It is pure insanity to allow these people to move to America. I shudder to contemplate what the future holds as more and more of these savages flood our country. They do not belong here and they never will because they flatly reject and despise our culture, our government, and us. It requires more arrogance and pure gall than I can imagine for these barbarians to invade our country and not even attempt to mask the contempt they feel for it. And we're supposed to accept this in the name of "diversity"? Screw that!!!!
Amazing how scrubbed the article is.
Attempted murder motivated by what? Who's in denial here? Funny how BO is so hot to pass "hate crime" legislation, but for some reason Islam, along with the "cultural" and those with "eastern civilization" mentality, are given a pass.
I'm offended by the deception here. Words matter and the choice of words is powerful. What matters to me is that there are so many out there who do not know enough to see through the manipulation of words, and the blatant attempt to change meme is Western society.
The MSM is hack. No they are propaganda machines, part of a greater attempt to manipulate meme, and to change what is, in the here and now, into a society and culture I will not recognize in twenty years.
It is obvious that the immigrants are the ones who must adjust to OUR culture. Never mind that Muslim women are culturally complicit in the murder of women in Islam by teaching this BS to their children.
While I pity the young woman who may die from her injuries,I most certainly hold accountable the man who drove the car for this criminal act, if we are going to give special treatment via hate crimes, we must add Islam to the list of perpetrators of behavior motivated by hate.
The media needs to stand up and call this what it is... a hate crime ...Islam being the prime motivator.
Excuse the black humor here, but from the looks of the guy from his photo, it looks like he could have just sat on his daughter and avoided the trouble of running her over.
Too bad no one got to use that bag of lard that it (not he) has for a head as a punching bag as a well-deserved reward for what it did to its daughter. Such tapeworms sure show a lot of "guts" when it comes to physically attacking lone women and children, especially when it's their family members; on the other hand, if they have to face a lone male, they'll always shit in their pants and whine like little girls unless they can run to the closest kebab shop or A-rab-run Western Union office to get help from at least an extra nine mahoundian buddies or so.
That shows how seriously they take their duty of following the example of that epitome of cowardice (33:21) known as uswa hasana, all-insane all-kamel, that desert intestinal parasite which (not who) is said to have created allah as its imaginary alter-ego and Mein Qurampf as its user's manual.
So was it an honour killing?...
Yes. But not in this case done by mohametans.
nabi ZK (obum)
"Was it an honour killing?".
Obviously not.
Muslims don't understand the concept of "honour".....
Since I posted earlier about how mahoundian males do indeed show a lot of "guts" when they can abuse lone women and children, here is some more evidence of that, courtesy of Turkish PM Recep ErSwinedogan. Real gutsy, real macho, real mahoundian digging his nails into the neck of a boy that dared to criticize that bug-eyed, barking coward.
Salam,
OK you got him good on the looks department; remember though that "jowl" loves his daughter very much and tried his best to protect her.
WHAT? you will think as your jaws drop. But just bear with me....I ask you..."What is "Western" culture, what does it really mean these days?
It is a shifting sandy malaise of confusion offering mixed messages to children together with the freedom of drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, fastfoods and one night stands.
Further; step in the casinos, rabid night life, divorces, obesity (as if the teenagers don't have enough on their plate), unwanted pregnancies, unloved childern; unwarranted access to porn via the internet ...and you have the cocktail of disaster that is "western culture".
Long gone are the days of keeping honour, stability of the home, going to pray, keeping beards and morality.
So her daughter was wanting to taste some of this "freedom" and he is a wise man, he wanted to protect her from this.
"Learn from Islam my child" he would say; "these phoney freedoms are not for you; we are the slaves of Allah SWT and must look to attain the best afterlife care that is on offer to us".
But it was too late, the long tenticles of kuffar "entertainment" (spit!) had sneaked upon her before she even knew what hit her;
The next thing that hit her possibly was her Abu's car; now I think she will be OK...now I think she will return to the fold of Islam...and folks you all know that Allah SWT is all forgiving.
With Love and respect
Yom
This article says so much. A "father" wanting to kill his own child because she wanted to live in the 21st century, not the 7th. More so,what needs to be understood is the effect of a "religion" and it's accompanying culture that would compel a person to violate one of the most basic human { emphasis HUMAN!} drives, that to love and protect your offspring could so easily be thrown aside speaks more than a thousand speeches.
Yom, you're a very gross, disgusting person.
If you don't like Western freedoms, sell your computer and move to Saudi Arabia.
seemzies is joking of course. Attempted murder is no way to protect. This stupid belief in the disgusting magical cult of mohamet is all put on. seemz doesn't believe any of it but just loves to get our goat. You almost had us going there seemz. Almost.
...a much better effort seemz...try again but next time display even more slavish devotion to pure evil and credulity in the absurd cult system of mohamet the turd eater....you might come off like you believe in genies like that hysterical dullard michael but twist into something like you worship the devil....bend it a little...bend it....ok so that will be one post in the bag!!...good luck
Your Friend
nabi ZK (pbum)
Yom_al_Juma has to be such a hypocrite to talk about "unwarranted porn over the web." To quote observations I've seen in a politically-correct forum (most certainly deleted by its mahound-appeasing moderators), in the home of the giant black Rubik's cube worshipped by mahoundians, when its sandal-clad, keffiyeh'd and robed male pigs aren't doing any of the following:
- lazing about in an empty office for half an hour a day and calling that "work";
- beating up one of their four wives;
- raping Indonesian and Filipino maids, or one of the underage girls imported from the Indian Subcontinent for the sole purpose of becoming sex slaves to those swines;
- enjoying a little prison sex (about which there's nothing homosexual in their opinion) with their male buddies;
- banging their heads on the ground with their snouts facing the direction the giant black Rubik's cube;
When they're not doing any of this, all they do is watch porn. Just as Yom_al_Juma would do if it (not he) were to follow Spirit Wolf's advice.
Zonie,
I can assure you that I live Islam very much...I just cannot bear to have Alla SWT out of my life.
I wish I could persuade to look at all the good things that muslims see in Islam; unfortunatly Spencer and his cronies only ever focus on the problems.
Yom
Yes, yes, in Yom-seem's world protection = death.
You can't possibly be that stupid, can you?
Yommie - a quote from you -"now I think she will return to the fold of Islam...and folks you all know that Allah SWT is all forgiving."
1.) so if you are run over by a car driver by your Muslim father, that makes you "want" to return to Islam?
2.) if Allah is all forgiving, you must have a different Qur'an then I do. Allah is anything but forgiving. I know! You must possess a "hidden" Qur'an to read while you wait for the "hidden" Iman! Are women going to hell in your Qur'an? Are Jews being slaughtered in your Qur'an? Curious minds want to know.
Again, are you sure you're not mentally ill?
My logic is that anyone not morally repulsed by this Muslim man's attack on his daughter, must not be right in the head.
Oh do tell, Yom-seem, about all the good things in Islam.
Would protecting your daughters by running them over with a car be counted as a good thing? Just checking, as your previous post seems to suggest that.
Sorry - mean to say "driven", not driver.
Fuck you, Yom... and the horse you rode in on.
Yes, Undaunted, I was thinking the very same thing. But we must remember that Yom-seem lives in her own little fantasy world. To live in the manure pile that she inhabits she fancies herself a "virile Muslim male". Since she thinks she's a man then it follows that she would think murder is protection and that Islam is beautiful.
To quote an Anthony Andrews TV movie from 1982: "Our world is topyy-turvey, Sir Percy!"
Isa,
protecting your daughter is a good thing...how people choose to implement this is upto them and the guidance they recieve.
The story does not say anything about the inevitable ideological battles that he would have had with her over "kuffar freedom" since he moved her to the West.
without doubt she will crossed some line she was asked not to and therefore grounded.
What I want to know is where her mother was in all this. Why don't the females exercise control over their female offspring.
Inevitably it is the females that go out of control, you never hear of a son being disciplined because of honor.
We men behave ourselves, whilst women don't.
With love & peace
Yom
Yom, you're beyond the reach of rationality and redemption.
You and your brothers, the "men" of Islam, richly deserve what's waiting for you on the other side.
I can assure you that I live Islam very much...
Weak seemz. Very weak. My goat is apparently un getable today. Why not try something like....You inshalla will all one day worship alla swt inshalla and then you will run over your daughters and wives with a mack truck...inshallah...and kill them...inshalla...better that than that they would be corrupted with kuffar ways ...astaghfirullah. Or something like that.
nabi ZK (pbum)
That's a mighty big shovel you got there, Yom-seem
Exhibit #1
"What I want to know is where her mother was in all this. Why don't the females exercise control over their female offspring."
Yom-seem, no Muslim man cares about what his woman thinks. You're female thought process betrays you, hon.
Exhibit #2
"With love & peace
Yom"
No Muslim man would sign his name that way in a million years.
You're so cute, girlfriend.
Remember, the resident Muslim trolls like yom-al-juma, abdullard, jowen and Co fawn over this sort of monster. And that is because they're mendacious infidel-hating monsters themselves, and in keeping with their poisonous ethics, they believe that Muslims who no longer want to live Muslim lives should be slaughtered like sheep at an abbatoir. They think infidels should be forced to convert to Islam at sword- or gunpoint, and if they refuse, they should be slaughtered in cold blood, just like 300 million other non-Muslims who didn't want to be subjugated to the misery that Islam brings in train.
BTW guys, you've got to read this article: http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/dpgo_Man_Gets_a_Goat_in_Divorce_Settlement_mb_20091020_4131786
Scroll down for this amazing factoid. I had to read it twice to see if it was a joke or not.
"Last year, a Sudanese man was forced to take a goat as his 'wife' by a council of elders after he was caught having sex with the animal."
Yom-seem, could you please tell us from your infinite Islamic wisdom why Muslim males are so interested in having sex with farm animals?
Remember, the resident Muslim trolls like yom-al-juma, abdullard, jowen and Co fawn over this sort of monster. And that is because they're mendacious infidel-hating monsters themselves, and in keeping with their poisonous ethics, they believe that Muslims who no longer want to live Muslim lives should be slaughtered like sheep at an abbatoir. They think infidels should be forced to convert to Islam at sword- or gunpoint, and if they refuse, they should be slaughtered in cold blood, just like 300 million other non-Muslims who didn't want to be subjugated to the misery that Islam brings in train.
Isa,
I'm afraid that you are way out of line and understanding when you say "no Muslim man cares about what his woman thinks".
Despite anything that Spencer may say or write about; Muslim men give pride of place to their women and she runs and often rules the house. Alla SWT says in the Quaran Sharif that "Jannat (heaven) can be found at the feet of the mother". IT also says that "the woman's love for her son is boundless".
I can attest to this myself...my wife cares more for our son than she for me.
This is a PRIME example of what I mean when I say that your undestanding of Islam is grossly lacking....and based purely on the doom & gloom articles & what readers here only say....you could not be more wrong.
If necessary go AND SEE muslims iin action at the mosque or in family institutions...you would change your mind when you see just how loving we people are.
Salam
Yom
Inevitably it is the females that go out of control, you never hear of a son being disciplined because of honor.
We men behave ourselves, whilst women don't....
Better seemz. Much better. May I, your true nabi, suggest a reference to the wildz and slutie womanziz of the west.
nabi ZK (pbum)
Yommie -
So this Muslim monster had to try and kill his daughter in order to "protect" her.
I think I've heard that excuse before..................ranks up there with "I was only following orders" and "because it says so in the Qur'an".
Is it okay for your parents to kill you in order to "protect" you?
Once again, aren't you morally repulsed by a "parent" killing their children because of some words in a 1400 year old book? Are words more important that an innocent women's life?
If you're answer is yes, I strongly suggest a trip to a mental health professional. Normal human beings have empathy towards others and love their children. It is not remotely normal for a parent to kill their child. If you think that it is, you need help.
Naseem,
Why couldn't this deviant have simply railed and ranted at his daughter? Oh, wait--he probably did, once (maybe twice).
Why couldn't this unnatural thing have simply bitch-slapped his daughter? Oh, wait--he probably did, once (maybe twice).
Why couldn't this parasite have beaten his daughter, being careful to avoid bruising her face? Oh, wait--he probably did, once (maybe twice).
Yeah, I guess homicide, or at least attempted homicide, was the only avenue left to this douche-bag. After all it's mighty uppity of an adult Muslim woman, in America, to think she owns herself and her life.
Of course, the other woman was just collateral damage. A real man doesn't let anything stand between his car and his daughter, right?
You're a sick little monkey, Naseem.
Arguing directly with Yom is like standing in your kitchen having a verbal argument with a broken toaster. Frankly, it reflects more poorly on the people arguing with Yom than it does on Yom. I don't expect anything from Yom, because he/she/it is not human. I do expect a little more rationality from my fellow humans, however. Please, I ask you to stop according Yom with the basic humanity of an interlocutor: For, even one to be berated and condemned, when done in direct address to him/her/it, is being credited with too much respect. Please, when dealing with Yom, do so in the third person.
And he used a Western invention to do his hateful deed. No camel or donkey for him.
Yom (spit!),
You soulless, heartless piece of allah droppings! ...her father did not try to protect his daughter, as you allege, but he tried to murder her. Hello!
Garbage in, garbage out! ...as in your brain on Islame. You're a lost cause. Good riddance!
"This is a PRIME example of what I mean when I say that your understanding of Islam is grossly lacking...."
Nope, sorry sweetie. I watch Muslims in action all the time, everyday, and the common thread is women are dog crap, can be sexually abused at will and killed if their Muslim father-brother-uncle-grandpa gets his wittle feewings huwt and feels embarrassed or upset. You really might want to talk to all those other "virile Muslim men" and tell them that if they want to sell this load of bull to the kuffir, they need to hide what they do. But then, Muslim men don't seem to be very bright, do they?
I see that Fox News is coverning this story today.
John Scott and Harris Faulkner seem terribly at a loss to explain this; he stating-'how any father can do that to his own daughter is beyond me."
I don't believe the word 'Muslim' came up.
Saw this headline on Fox as my wife was perusing their website.
"Cops: Arizona Man Ran Down Daughter For Becoming 'Westernized'"
Didn't need to be told it was a muslim man.
Won't go into how the story is more or less santized(traditional Iraqi values rather than islamic values), but it also says that another woman was run over in the process. Noor was rooming with 43-year-old Amal Edan Khalaf. So, "daddy" has the right, even under that garbage called Sharia, to run over another woman not related to him?? Boy, talk about holding women in high regard. Not only do you get to kill your own daughter, but her roommate as well. But of course if tools such as Naseem, er Yom, ever would approach islam with an open mind, they would see the hypocrisy. Islam appeals to the adolescent mind by absolving all men of their own actions and placing the blame on anyone but the man. Hmmmm. Sounds like the current US president, blame everyone for his ineptness. No wonder so many believe him to be a muslim "Manchurian candidate."
Yom,
All of the examples that you so fastidiously catalog are not merely symptomatic of 'Western culture.' Rather, they are the epitome of the fallen condition of humanity. There is nothing in the Constitution of the United States of America that mandates that some of her citizenship engage in immoral and disgusting behavior.
Perhaps if Islam were to truly appreciate the reality of sin in the lives of mankind (not only sins of commission, but those of omission as well), it would not be so shocking to see some of the admittedly gross behavior that you mention being displayed. Out of the overflow of a man's heart, so shall he speak (and do).
Noting that, is is much too much to expect each and every citizen to adhere to the same principles; to do so would establish a caliphate instead of a republic. So, while we are united in our mutual respect for one another as persons, we continue to hold to our own convictions (or, in some cases, a galling lack of convictions) as we strive to love our neighbor. The two are not mutually exclusive.
If only Allah knew this.
It is not 'phony' freedom that indulges such mutual respect (if not complete agreement). And in case you are wondering...my home is quite stable, my marriage is well, and my family and I attend church regularly to pray and give thanks...and we also realize (from the youngest to the oldest) that it is a phony, legalistic 'freedom' indeed that refuses to acknowledge real differences among us when it pertains to inconsequential things like fast food, consumption of alcohol (not rabid drunkenness, as you may assume), and attempting to stamp anything and everything into paste under the boot-heel of Allah only serves to prove my point...
...that the heart remains deceitful and wicked above all things.
Beer, pork, and bikinis are not the problem.
Legalism is the problem.
Tyranny is the problem.
Islam is the problem.
With a fugly face like that, then he shouldn't be too hard to spot. And police should stake out all DonutHoles and fast food joints in the area, because he probably stuffs his face 80 times a day. Pig!
Please, when dealing with Yom, do so in the third person. --- Hesperado
Ladies and gentlemen, do follow the gentle counsel of Hesperado. You definitely look comical talking directly to that Yom thingamabob.
Thomas H,
Yom is really Naseem, an old adversarial Muslima from Lahore who used to post here all the time and we've had many interesting discussions. I love to pull her chain, especially when she's pretending to be a "virile Muslim man". (Thomas, don't all you guys run around telling everybody how virile you are?)
Naseem is entertaining and a useful idiot for the cause of Islam. You can learn a lot about the damage done to a woman's mind under the consistent application of Islam when she drones on and her posts are very instructive because of it. Plus, she can't remember stuff she told me five years ago, but I can. : )
Yes.
So: in future, we regulars should make it our rule NOT to reply directly to any obviously Mohammedan dementor or boggart (while also bearing in mind the possibility that a creature like 'yom' may not be a Mohammedan at all, but either a pro-Muslim agent provocateur posing as a Muslim in order to try to provoke us into making intemperate statements that might be used to discredit Mr Spencer and shut down this website; *or* even just a troll simple, that is, a fellow infidel both foolish and malicious who actually couldn't give a stuff about either Islam *o*r the Resistance, but enjoys pretending to be a Mohammedan in order to yank our chains).
That rule should be regularly restated so that newcomers get the idea. Oddly enough, it might help to keep things cool and civil.
By the way, right now I am going to repeat another very sensible suggestion that Hesperado has made: to wit, when dealing with actual or suspected Mohammedans, formulate a single basic question, the kind that requires a plain yes/ no answer, and keep at them on that one question, refusing to be distracted by any side issues they may try to throw up. (Hesp - I hope I'm getting this right; please restate if I'm not).
Example: as far as I am concerned, the thing that tells me Muslims are a threat to any free non-Muslim society is the Apostasy Law - the fact that sharia requires that anyone who leaves Islam must be killed.
That alone is sufficient, in my view, to establish Islam as a dangerous closed cult and place it on a par with the Mafia, the Triads, the Yakuza, the (mercifully defunct) Thuggee cult, and other semi-ritualised organised-crime entities.
So perhaps in future every avowed Mohammedan who comes in here should be pushed into the corner, given the example of this or that well-known case of apostasy (e.g. Rifqa Bary or Nonie Darwish or Magdi Allam, etc.), confronted with the Hadith that authorises vigilante killing of the apostate, and then asked: do you agree that in accord with this rule, Apostate so-and-so should be killed, Yes or No?
I have done this once or twice and the results were instructive. It puts them in a bit of a cleft stick.
Because if they try taqiyya and just say ' No' (so as to get in good with non-Muslim readers of the forum), they do run the risk of being seen by Muslim eavesdroppers as a potential apostate themselves.
But if they give a straight Yes, then, well, the mask is off, the cat's out of the bag, and sensible non-Muslims overhearing the exchange will go away feeling rather worried about a 'religion' that behaves just like the Mafia; and some Muslims will be pzzed off with them, too, for showing Islam up for what it is, in a setting where many Muslims are still trying to maintain a smoke-screen.
So: what happens is that you get not 'Yes' or 'No' but a spew of ambiguous verbiage intended to give the impression of a 'no' to the careless infidel reader; but if one examines it very, very carefully, it always boils down to an implicit 'Yes'.
And then once you've got them on that, then no matter what else they say, on anything at all, it's all completely irrelevant; because anyone who thinks a person should be executed for ceasing to be a Muslim, has no place in a free non-Muslim society.
Re. the posted article.
There was a very interesting interview in FrontPage in 2004. Glazov interviewed a guy named Steven Vincent, author of a book called 'In the Red Zone'.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=7E8E98D9-E148-4F9C-BAFF-40E9E4974AEE
It was titled 'In the Red Zone', but when I copied and saved it, I put it in a file I have called 'the laughter of women'.
Vincent doesn't fully understand the significance of what he saw and what he wrote about - he doesn't have a clue that what he was seeing was simply Islam, Islam, Islam - but his interview includes all sorts of useful data points.
Here's one of the interesting bits:
'What I learned from Nour—and what I discuss in much of In the Red Zone--is the psychic claustrophobia of Iraqi society.
'Reputation and virginity are everything—should a woman lose the first, she is ostracized from “good” society; lose the second before marriage and she risks being murdered by her “shamed” family. On the street, in restaurants, taxi cabs, mosques, and public place, men (and women) stare at females, waiting—hoping—they will do something that will disgrace themselves and fuel invidious gossip. “The relationships between Iraqi men and women are sadomasochistic,” Nour told me. From what I saw, she is right.'
Now, if he had written simply, 'Muslim', where he wrote 'Iraqi', he'd have said something useful; he'd have anticipated Nonie Darwish's book on sharia and how it treats women.
And here's another useful bit:
The interviewer says: ' I loved the question you asked [as recorded in the book] of one Iraqi who was styling himself as a democrat in front of an audience and saying that political Islam was compatible with democracy.
'After he said there could be freedom of speech in political Islam,
'you asked if, under such a system, people could say in public that the Koran was not the word of God
'and whether women could have premarital sex without fearing for their physical safety.
{or: one might ask, whether women could choose their own life-mates freely, exercising choice in marriage, saying No and Yes, without being compelled by anyone; note that the young woman in Arizona had not even left Islam, she had merely rejected a 'forced' or 'arranged' marriage, and had chosen her own mate who, judging by his name, was a fellow Muslim - dda}.
'*All logical and rational thought in this individual ended after your question* {my emphasis - dda}.
'I [Interviewer] have asked precisely these questions of many Muslims who have boasted to me that political Islam can offer peace and freedom.
'After their great boasts, I ask if, under their systems, women can engage in casual sex with whomever they desire and to live without fear. And whatever we might morally think of such women, it is their business and not ours. That is what a free society is about.
'In any case, I usually become the victim of a violent tirade after asking this question and it ends up, not very surprisingly I must say, that the definition of the word “freedom” is something very different for these individuals than to us.
'Why is even the thought of a woman’s right to do what she wants with her sexuality and body something that makes *Islamists and Arab tribalists* {my emphasis - translate, 'Muslims' - dda} start acting like the possessed girl in the Exorcist after holy water is sprinkled on her?" END QUOTE.
Islam appears to me to be all about Power; the raw, unlimited, utterly amoral power of the male Mohammedan mob, over women and non-Muslims. It seems that unless they have total control over those they regard themselves as entitled to dominate absolutely (and that entitlement includes, it seems, the right to subject the Dominated to sadistic torment-unto-death, should the Dominator feel so inclined) they see themselves as threatened and 'humiliated'. So anything that represents actual or potential loss of Power - an uppity daughter or sister or wife, or an apostate (i.e. a 'deserter' from the Army of Islam, leaving Islam and therefore joining the rival Camp, the Camp of the Non-Muslims - triggers an annihilating rage.
"Long gone are the days of keeping honour, stability of the home, going to pray, keeping beards and morality."
Aside from the beards, this defines the culture of the United States of America. The beauty of which is that the people CHOOSE this of their own free will.
American people LOVE and PROTECT their children, they don't murder them. Those anomalies that do commit murder go to jail and sometimes are executed.
No one is forced. This isn't a fascist state yet, nor does any ideology specifically hold exclusive rights to "moral" behavior.
It is obvious you know nothing about the American people, and simply believe the trash out of Hollywood.
Isabella, mon ami,
I think you are right that Yom-bum is Nassem - a few readers expressed that possibility too. But that ‘s a little beside the point.
What matters is what DDA articulated below:
… a creature like 'yom' may not be a Mohammedan at all, but … a troll simple, that is, a fellow infidel both foolish and malicious who actually couldn't give a stuff about either Islam *o*r the Resistance, but enjoys pretending to be a Mohammedan in order to yank our chains)
So the question is who is pulling whose chain in your exchange with the Yom-bum. Please consider that.
(Thomas, don't all you guys run around telling everybody how virile you are?)
Well, some of us – especially Moslems - definitely do. But some of us don’t have to…
(Have I ever?)
;) ;)
Cheers,
Dubledoresarmy,
That rule should be regularly restated so that newcomers get the idea. Oddly enough, it might help to keep things cool and civil.
I think it is a very good idea! It would be helpful to formulate a concise standard address to newcomers urging them not to follow their natural reactions to respond to calumnies, idiocies and provocations of trolls , or, however honest, maniacs.
About the other thing suggested by Hesperado - formulating a single basic question and insisting on a clear yes/no answer in order to prevent the mahommedans to corrupt, derail and steal the debate. Absolutely! It is indeed a very good tactical suggestion.
I went a little beyond that a few times in the past when I preconditioned my entering a debate on Islam on a simple question “do you agree with me that Mohammed was a pig?”
If the answer was not a clear “yes” I would not be interested in going any further as that would be an indication that I and my interlocutor inhabit separate moral space which per definition rules out the possibility of, not just an agreement, but a coherent, congruent exchange.
I agree that is not a very subtle question, but I chose it deliberately to stress that the difference between us and Islam is not the matter of interpretations, intellectualization and abstractions, but infinitely simple, rough and obvious reality.
The example of questions you are quoting and have applied in your discussions are very good, smart and effective for the objectives you are pursuing. But they require someone with your patience and tenacity and control of temper, language and thought. I admit, in these things you are very much my superior and I may not be best equipped to try your suggestion. Fortunately there are quite a few here who can do good following yours and Hesperado ideas.
Cheers,
Thomas
Salam,
Thomas, the tank engine,
Whay don't you ask me your questions concerning me?
I can say with truth that I am not this Naseem character that you keep wanting to talk about.
Well said, Dumbles. Thanks.
"I can say with truth that I am not this Naseem character that you keep wanting to talk about."
OK, so he's a carbon copy of Naseem's evil character...close enough.