Pamela has posted a haunting video of the decline of France. It put me in mind of Hugh Fitzgerald's classic essay Douce France, which is always worth revisiting:
Imagine that you are a cosseted member of the French elite. One child is doing the khâgne, aiming for rue d'Ulm. Another is now a politechnicien. You are very comfortable, working for the state. You and your spouse are journalists, or writers, or one of that vast tribe of people conducting "recherches" and life is comfortable, good, the way it should be. Yes, you do notice more and more Muslims about you as you walk, no longer in the banlieues, but in the center of Paris, or Toulouse, or Lyon. And you remember how uneasy you felt, four years ago, when you happened to be walking on the Cannebière in Marseille. You decided, then and there, that you would not return.And you have friends who live in the south. And they tell you that the beurs - some call them maghrébins -- make life hell for everyone. They attack French children on the way to school. They vandalize cars. They threaten, and do more than threaten, anyone who is still foolish enough to walk out wearing a kippah or a cross. Whole areas of cities in the south, as in the north, and east, and west, have become off-limits to non-Muslims. In the schools, the teachers have lost authority. They cannot even cover the subjects of World War II, the Resistance, and the murders of the Jews as the state prescribes; they fear, with reason, the violent reaction of the Muslim students.
And as the schools become more and more dangerous for non-Muslim students and teachers, with more time and resources devoted to discipline rather than to learning, French parents and would-be parents are now silently factoring into their childbearing plans the present value of the future cost of what, they see, will now have to be added: private school tuition. And that means, of course, that those French people will plan on smaller families. And they will also be factoring in the growing cost, paid by them, those French taxpayers, for the whole expanding edifice of security, the guards in the schools, the guards at the train stations and métro stations and airports and at government buildings everywhere, the costs of keeping the gravestones from being vandalized, the costs of protecting the synagogues and the churches, the costs for all those tapped phones and agents in mosques, and subsidies to lawyers and judges to hear charges and try cases against Muslims, and the costs of monitoring da'wa in the prisons (more than 50% Muslim).
But the Muslims are indifferent to expenses incurred by the French state. France is part of the world; the world belongs to Allah, and to his Believers. That doctrine has remained immutable for 1400 years. Imam Bouziane, the one they keep trying to deport, had 16 children by two wives, all living on the French state: a representative Muslim man. Over time, the difference between average family size of Muslims and non-Muslims steadily increases. And, over time, the education system continues to disintegrate. Right now, perhaps, you cannot see it. Your children go to the best schools, followed by the best lycées. You vacation in Normandy, or Brittany, or the Ile de Ré. And you do not take the metro often enough, or walk in the right districts, or work in the right factories or offices, to understand what tens of millions of your fellow Frenchmen now have to endure. You, for the moment, are still immune, still willfully unaware. You have spent the last few decades learning about the Muslim world from Eric Rouleau, and his epigones (after they silenced Peroncel-Hugoz, the one journalist who reported the truth) in Le Monde. You are deeply-versed in the constantly reported-upon, endlessly dilated-upon, perfidy of the mighty empire of Israel. You know what we have all had dinned into us: that the Arab Muslims are reasonable people, with clearly-justified grievances, grievances so reasonable and so limited in scope, that justice demands they be satisfied. Everyone agrees on the "solution." It is called a "two-state solution" and of course it is a "solution" for otherwise, of course, it would not have been called a "solution."
And everything looks the way it always has looked: the linden trees, the river, the bridges, the réverbères, the étalage in the neighborhood boulangerie. Douce France, cher pays de mon enfance. At the end of the school day, chic mothers still congregate in little towns, or small cities, outside the school - this or that Ecole Jules Ferry -- waiting to pick up their children. Here come the littlest ones, from Maternelle, running up now -- just look at how small they are. And here are the CE1 group, with those huge cartables on their tiny backs. Run, run, run, to Mommy. Oop-la. And then the years of study, study, study marked by ever-larger cahiers -- "cahier" and "cartable" are the words that identify French DNA better than Piaf or gauloises, isn't that true? And now we will read the books, and study the subjects, set down so completely and precisely by the Ministry of Education. And now we are up to the final year, preparing for the Bac, with copies of blue-backed BALISES, guides to Les Châtiments and La Peau de Chagrin. And just look at the results listed in the newspaper: Claire-Alix has a mention très bien. Fantastic. Everything is fine, everything will always stay the same, whole countries cannot change. It's not possible.
But it is changing, coming apart, quietly, slowly -- let's not look too closely, we mustn't pay too much attention -- the streets, the schools, the hospitals, the ability to speak the truth about things, about life as it is lived, la vita vissuta as they like to say in a neighboring country. Dominique de Villepin always knew there was nothing to worry about; he was born, after all, in Salé, next to Rabat, even spent a few years of his infancy there; of course he knows his Arabs, his Muslims. And surely Eric Rouleau, who for decades in Le Monde was the resident expert on the Middle East (he was so knowledgeable that he never had to so much as mention the teachings of the Qur'an and Sunna), surely he knew everything, didn't he? And those French translations of Edward Said that denounced with such passion the Islamophobia, and those vicious cliches with which the blind and rotting West has always caricatured the Arab Muslim world. Oh, we have been so terrible to the Arabs, we colonialists, we French, we Westerners. And then there is the never-ending outrage of Israel, that running colonial sore. Of course, they have every right, those Muslims, to come here to France. We went to their countries once, now they come to ours. And they have every right to hate us, don't they?
So now we have decided not to understand, and to cut all ties of sympathy to, Israel -- and how did we ever have any sympathy for it in the first place, the way some of our parents did back in 1948 or 1956 or 1967? How could they not have seen what the "Palestinian people" had to endure? Hanan, Yasser, Said, Saeb, Aziz, Walid, Rashid, Mohammed -- you have won our hearts and minds. Take us, do with us what you will.
No one will mention what is happening or what kinds of things we must begin to think about doing to save ourselves. No one of any decency. And whatever Le Pen and Megret say, we must say the opposite (except, of course, when they show their hostility to "the Jews"). Do not say those things, do not think them. Free thought is all very well in theory, but really -- consider the consequences. Don't dare to think outside that box brimming with idées reçues. Défense de penser au dehors du box.
No, everything will be all right as you stroll down the Avenue Paule-Anne. Those Muslims will never be a match for us. Why, just look at those legionnaires marching à pas lent down the Champs-Elysées, think of that string of desert victories. Inside our heads, it is 1930 and over here is the Exposition coloniale. You remember, tu t'en souviens, that painting by le Douanier Rousseau, don't you, with the burnoosed Arab standing next to the black Senegalese? I have it right, don't I? France will always be France. Nothing will ever change.
At a certain point, and despite everything that causes you not to see what is staring you in the face, you realize that something has gone irreparably wrong with your country, and you, and your children, are in danger of losing that country, down to every village and house, qui m'est une province et beaucoup davantage. And you do not know what to do, or how to explain this feeling to others, or in whom to confide your secret fears, or what can be done. It is so confusing, and so upsetting. You cannot vote for Le Pen. You cannot endorse "cowboy" Bush or those ridiculous Americans. You have no place to go.
And then you learn what Jacques Chirac -- who now has a Muslim grandchild himself -- and Dominique de Villepin, do not wish you to learn. For if you did, you might be very angry. You discover that 1 out of every 3 babies born in France today is a Muslim baby. And that means, in 20 years, one of every three 20-year-olds in France will be a Muslim twenty-year-old. And that means, twenty years after that, at present rates of reproduction, France will have a majority Muslim population. Where shall we hide the statues from Marly-le-roi? And the Venus de Milo? And what about all those paintings of animated life -- all those portraits in the Louvre, and the Grand Palais, and the Musée Guimet down there in linden-lined Aix, and everywhere else in art-filled artful France, mère des arts, des armes, et des loix -- that are absolutely forbidden according to the immutable strictures of the Qur'an. Should they be sent for safekeeping to those Americans across the seas? By then most of the Jews in France will have left, gone across the oceans for their own safekeeping, to Israel or to English-speaking Canada (they were worried about the Muslim population of Quebec, you see, which had been allowed to grow under the Province of Quebec's policy of encouraging francophone immigrants, preferring North Africans to potential immigrants from Italy, Greece, Spain), and above all, to America. What luck those Americans have had. No more bequests to France by the likes of the Rothschilds, or Nissim Camondo. No more Donations from another Pierre Lévy. Enjoy the Kufic calligraphy; some find it endlessly fascinating.
For the moment, you allow yourself to believe that something will come up. Most likely, all those Muslims will simply convert. I mean, they do that, don't they, quite easily I'm told. Of course, why didn't I think of it, that is exactly what will happen. The situation is always saved in time. Just like during the war. Nothing to worry about. Nothing.
There are currently 751 no-go areas in France.
These are muslim-dominated areas where Infidels mustn't go, published by the French government.
751 No Go Areas in France for non-Muslims
nice video of what Muslims bring to your country.....Ban Muslim Immigration.
A magical piece.
Wow, I hadn't read that piece from Hugh before--thanks, Robert.
One could add the financial changes in neo-Vichy France to this bleak narrative as well. Very sad indeed.
Great writ by Hugh. I could hear the accordion playing and the children squealing. Ce n’est pas un couche mare, c’est la verite. And that is the scary part. This is probably the best scary tale with the onset of Halloween I’ll deem to stomach.
Of the video, I just hope nobody ever has to put such horrific images in a video to the Maple Leaf Forever.
The beast was let in. Now La France is being devoured slowly but surely by the beast. And I was always told how smart the French were, particularly by the French themselves. Uh-huh. A lesson for us all, assuming we can still learn.
Powerful. Don't ever underestimate the power of music to evoke emotion...or the power of a photo or a clip of film to demonstrate in spades what a well-penned essay cannot ("a picture speaks a thousand words").
I'm busy as all and cannot afford the diversion, but hell or high water, I'm going to record and produce a song I wrote over a year ago called 'Defenders of Freedom'. The minute it's on youtube, Jihadwatch will be informed. Give me 3 months folks...and it'll be my humble contribution to the anti-Jihad.
As Trenet's "Douce France" with its du-bellayesqe sentiment that one thought would never wane, does not jibe with the videotaped scenes of France today, so his equally-famous "Boum" of once upon a time referred to something quite different from the sound of real explosions, along the real boulevards of present-day France -- explosions which, nowadays, when they come, surprise no one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0KWyWwVp0E'
Will look forward to it, Cornelius.
My romantic and lifelong desire to visit the land of my ancestors has suddenly disappeared! ..boy, whatta shock to my system this news has been.
In a posting above I gave a faulty YouTube link.
The correct link to the video version of "Boum" is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0KWyWwVp0E
Horrific. I'm so glad I saw France before the over-breeding Barbarians invaded, which France let happen. As England, Holland, Sweden, Germany, Italy etc have all let happen.
This seems appropriate:
“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN
It's all about the Demographics. Boumedienne knew that back in 1974.
A very strong piece,Hugh. And thanks to Robert and Pamela. The French have a wolf in their belly. It eats everything they eat, and then it eats them too.
One thing Americans still have over Europe is the ability to defend themselves. We still have the courage to stand up to mosques being built and demand who is funding them. A group of creeps is less likely to set a car on fire if they know they will be fired at. Yep, I'm going to kling to my guns and religion.
I'm very disappointed.
Back in January, Hugh posted the link for a delightful Henri Salvador youtube. Well, I just felt a desire to see it again, so clicked on the link, but "this video has been removed due to terms of use violation" is what greeted me. Dang. I need some relief from the burdensome knowledge that Muslims are taking over the West, and that the West is letting them. I need some enjoyable and civilized relief from the knowledge that the West has gone insane.
How long before the Muslims cry that they live in an apartheid state and begin a violent terror insurrection ala Kosovo. Will NATO bomb the French if they try to hold onto the last vestiges of their ancient nation, before it is swallowed by the barbarian hordes, and the last remaining French civilians are gathered into barbed wire concentration camps for their own protection .... to die out slowly in a cage.
Brussels Journal:
Sarkozy:
"I would like to say one thing, in what is my conception of the Republic, security is the responsibility of the State, I am against militias, I am against the private ownership of firearms, and I’m trying to make you think about that. If you are assaulted by an armed burglar, he’ll use his weapon more effectively than you anyway so you’re risking your life. If the criminal is not armed and you are and you shoot, your life will be ruined, because killing someone over a theft is not in line with the republican values that are mine. The private ownership of firearms is dangerous. I understand your exasperation for having been burglarized two times, I understand the fear that your wife and daughter may have but the answer is in the efficiency of the police and the efficiency of the judiciary process, the answer is not in having guns at home."
Remember: Sarkozy is what they consider "right wing" in France.
http://www.armes-ufa.org/ufa/campagne2006/rtl-sarko-txt.asp
Sheik said:
That might well be the "answer" in France, but burglars entering my house WILL leave my house in a body bag.
Does that satisfy you, Mr. Sarkozy?
Sorry, Sheik quoted President Sarkozy. My response was to the quote.
Thank you very much sheik yer'mami - that's definitely a keeper.
Remember, when the difference between life and death are measured in seconds, the police are only minutes away.
To those who STILL don't get it, the 2nd Amendment is the reason the other Amendments still stand.
Jew Lover
Or, France will go the way of all of its former 'protectorates'...like Haiti...just google images for Gonaive and you can all but smell the misery of those poor denizens.
Cauchemare, c'est vrai. And just next door to Haiti, is the DR which, I hear tell fast becoming a Muslim country. But, never mind. As you were. Perhaps there will be another media hoax to keep us from actually delving into things too deeply.
I pray that someday I'm jumped by that b*tch @ 2:11 in a dark alley.
Sorry, my mistake, by two of those b*tches in a dark alley - no "girly" weapons, just man to women.
Jew Lover
Enjoy your intifada Europe!
darcy -- here's a different link to that Henri-Salvador song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEr9mYSZfAA.
But since that song is not obviously relevant to the douce-france theme at hand -- I'll add, by way of lagniappe, another, by Ray Ventura which, I think, is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHGI56VKBWI
During World War II, Ray Ventura fled France for Argentina. He returned after the war, and in the mid-to-late 1940s he introduced a very young Henri Salvador to French audiences, with the song A la mi-aout, which Salvador sang with the enormous Peters Sisters.
I was just wondering why noone on here ever talks about the Beth din courts in England but are very talkative about the Sharia courts in England? Sounds hypocritical. If you ask me the Beth din courts just give muslims a precedent to harp on. Therefore, It should be addressed.
Thanks, Hugh, but unfortunately I didn't see the Henri Salvador video on that link. What was that song called? Henri was in costume as a Spanish lady. Very, very funny!
As for "Le nez," - tres drole et charmant. Je me suis bien amusee. Merci.
Excuse me, proxywar" -
I basically know nothing about the Beth din courts in England, also because I'm not Jewish, but, let me ask you this:
Do the Beth din courts require that a female Jewish rape victim provide 4 male witnesses in order to prove her case? As in Islamic shar'ia law? I don't want to be "hypocritical," now.
I remember this from some time ago:
"The Church of England has its own ecclesiastical courts. British Jews have had their own “beth din” courts for more than a century"
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"That comparison is common, but shallow. Neither the Anglican nor Jewish systems compare to the total legal and political system that sharia is. As such, there is no assurance of how much sharia will ever be "enough" sharia, short of the whole package."
Muslims intend not to just use their courts for Muslims only...they intend to make their courts and their Shar'ia law the sole binding authority over everyone...to be come dominant..
The Jewish Beth din courts have no such lofty goals..and are no threat to British society in the way that Muslim Shar'ia courts are...there is a big difference..
darcy -- YouTube, like God, works in mysterious ways. In order to view "Juanita Banana" put into the YouTube search box "Henri Salvador" and "Juanita Banana." I've done so, and it works just fine -- with the URL that appears on top identical to the one I gave in my link (and that does not work). Perhaps someone more technically adept will explain this to us.
Le nez de Cléopâtre, that second song -- performed by Ray Ventura and his Collégiens -- to which I gave a link that does work smoothly, has one detail worth noting here.
Prompted by the impulse that Pascal's famous counterfactual produces -- "Le nez de Cléopâtre : s'il eût été plus court, toute la face de la terre aurait changé" -- the singers suggest others: if Romeo had not met Juliet, if all roads hadn't led to Rome, if La Gioconde had not smiled, if Francois Premier had bought himself a bicycle, If someone could understand the verses of Paul Valery, and so on. I don't know what the reference to Francois Premier and the "bicyclette" is all about, but there is another line I don't understand, and it occurs at 1.03, when the singing waiter appears at the left of the screen and moves across it. His second line is: "Si les musulmanes n'avaient plus l'accent de Toulon."
What might that mean? I conclude that in France, in 1938, the Arabs of North Africa one was likely to encounter, all sounded as if they came from Toulon. This might well be, One assumes that many of the French who settled in North Africa came from the south, and carried with them their local accents. Toulon, a major port, the port from which ships left France for, and came back to France from, Africa, might have had an outsize effect on the character of French in North Africa. And, too, the few Arabs or maghrebins who were then in France might have settled, in numbers, mainly in Toulon and Marseilles.
Listen to that song again. I wonder if that line would or could be sung quite so cheerfully today.
Whatever happens to France, she deserves it.This country has been allying all through history with whatever is at hand in the pursue of its own interests.Many people in my country-Spain , believe France was behind the 11-M train bombings in Madrid, to bring down a governement that had taken Spain to unknown heights in the recent past.Spain was friends with America, and the fastest growing economy in Europe.Too much for France.So, the secret services coupled with the moroccans to place the bombs.
So f* you for this, France. We could say now that Africa starts up north the pyrinees, not south of them like it was always said.
Proxywar, the Bet Din courts in England are voluntary and are typically used for marriage/divorce issues, civil issues, and the like. To my knowledge, they handle very few criminal cases. Oh, and there is no crime of "apostasy" --once a Jew, always a jew, even if one professes otherwise. One can always return.
I would think that the Shaaria courts would also be voluntary, except that the community itself seems awfully coercive and quite eager to mete out harsh punishments.
One other thing: read the Talmud and you'll discover that while the Bet Din is not quite modern, it is surprisingly liberal (in the classic sense of the word). It's no accident that so many Jews become lawyers.
If only the French govt. and people hadn't been full of Islam history ignoramuses. Are you still one? I hope not, but if you need to educate yourself the best place is with the Historyscoper, free. Just click http://go.to/islamhistory
Went to your link. I would've spent more time on it but I can't turn off the blasted background soundtrack.
Hugh, this is an EXCELLENT essay but I like all your writing.
Proxywar, comparing the Sharia courts to Beth Din courts prove you believe the lies and propaganda. They are not the same things at all. First of all, Judaism is not a supremacist religion; Islam is. Islamic doctrine calls for Islamic law for the entire world-- it sees the entire globe as belonging to Islam. Judaism isn't anything like this. No Jews are calling for dar al Judaism.
Furthermore, Jews in diaspora are required to live under the laws of their host countries. If there is a conflict between what they believe they are do do according to their scriptures and what their countries' laws are, they are to follow their host countries' laws. There is nothing in Islamic doctrine that calls for Muslims to obey their host countries' laws. In fact, if Muslims have to obey their host countries' laws when those laws conflict with Sharia (and they often are diametrically opposed; Jewish law is not), it is considered a temporary and political necessity and they are always supposed to be working for the time when Sharia will be permitted in the host country.
Proxywar, it behooves you to learn a bit more about Sharia and Islam in general. Sharia is codified Koran and Sunna. Sharia is truly the antithesis of liberty and justice.
Plontino,
It is common knowledge that for years, France abetted the ETA in their unrelenting war on the Spanish state, but this claim of yours regarding the Madrid train bombings comes across not unlike the 'troofer' movement in America...those who believe 9-11 was a US government plot. Such hysterical and unfounded accusations can only obfuscate the truth and aid the REAL perpetrators.
Al Qaeda was responsible for 9-11 and Madrid. If you are going to throw around accusations against France, please produce some credible documentation.
Nous sommes ici. La résistance est futile. Adieu la France.
plotino,
So why did Spaniards give in after the Madrid bombings? Why did you throw out the government that had allied itself with Americans? Don't blame the French. They didn't vote in your elections, or did they?
No one forced Spain to turn its back on America.
"...but this claim of yours regarding the Madrid train bombings comes across not unlike the 'troofer' movement in America...those who believe 9-11 was a US government plot. Such hysterical and unfounded accusations can only obfuscate the truth and aid the REAL perpetrators." - Cornelius to plotino
Exactly. Of course the Mohammedans committed the Madrid train bombings, in which, how many died? 200?
To say that France had a hand in that "Infidel" carnage is moronic. Utterly and completely moronic. Just like the "Truthers" in the U.S. Morons. Just like Van Jones, hired by our Mohammedan president and his Liberal moronic minions, such as Eric Holder.
Anyone seen the South Park episode of "Who committed 9/11?" Just as Stan says at the end, "a bunch of pissed-off Muslims." Exactly. Any other kind??
Battle of Tours - You're in France.
WHY is "resistance futile?"
Please elaborate.
No credible data has been produced so far regarding the origin of Madrid bombings..and whatever is known right now is nothing . I have my own take here.And this is not the place to discuss it.But one thing i can tell you, whoever did it, was very well "trained". The comment about France is not mine, it's something i have heard in many geopolitical discussions.
As for the 9/11, i guess all i know is what you know.When people have asked me, i sometimes have argued that the problems with security within the us, probably had started during the Clinton admin.so happy was that time, playing saxo and other things.. you know.
Dear plotino: The Muslims did it. Knowing that is called "having a brain," and "common sense." So, stop blaming innocent France and telling France "f* you for this" - THEY DIDN'T DO IT.
Do you have firing neurons?
I've been in France last summer, in La Provence,a beautiful old christian place.Did the corniche sublime,in the lower alps, didnt see anything like this footage, really enjoyed their cheese and wine.
Are you more happy now?
Proxywar, etc: About Beth Din/ Sharia courts:
I would like to know who pays? Is the government required to pay for the establishment and running of these courts?
Halal meat (a part of Sharia): I believe inspection of operations is paid for by the government, whereas kosher facilities are inspected at the Jews' own expense. Can anyone enlighten me on these things?
Plotino - you are in Spain.
It seems to me that your job is to identify which of your mayors, and which of your current politicians (and which of those aspiring to power) have some awareness of the danger from Islam and to then get behind those people 100 %.
How about your king, Juan Carlos? And his queen, and his children, especially his son? Do you know whether he is aware of the danger? (At least he and his queen have set a good example to their non-Muslim subjects, by having *three* children - well above the current average for non-Muslim families in Spain).
Battle of Tours - you are in France? And I *know* there are others who have posted here from time to time, and who perhaps still visit and lurk, who are from France.
Any further news of the mooted burqa-and-niqab ban?
I hope that you put down, into your little black book, the names of all those French politicians who supported the call for such a ban: according to one newspaper report they comprised "A group of 58 MPs from the Left and Right ". Find out their names. Push them hard and keep pushing. Encourage them to keep trying. If they had enough sense to try to do this - call for a burqa ban - then they may be willing and able to learn more, and then, do more. And at least Mr Sarkozy, whatever his other inadequacies, stood up in public and described Islamic female dress, out loud, without mincing words, as a sign of enslavement: "The burqa is not a sign of religion. It is a sign of enslavement". Those words are capable of going 'viral' among Infidels worldwide.
Don't give up! All you need is to find one or two politicians who are prepared to emulate Geert Wilders; and then the Resistance may begin in earnest.
"Proxywar, the Bet Din courts in England are voluntary and are typically used for marriage/divorce issues, civil issues, and the like. To my knowledge, they handle very few criminal cases. Oh, and there is no crime of "apostasy" --once a Jew, always a jew, even if one professes otherwise. One can always return."
I'm actually in a debate about this on another site. The argument I am hearing is the sharia law courts in england just handle the "marriage/divorce issues, civil issues" like the Bet Din courts do.
"it behooves you to learn a bit more about Sharia and Islam in general. Sharia is codified Koran and Sunna. Sharia is truly the antithesis of liberty and justice."
I know alot about Sharia law. Sharia law differs in muslim countries. Syria, Lebanon, Turkey don't have sharia law.
50 regencies in 16 of the 32 provinces in Indonesia have passed laws linked to sharia law. In some muslim countries Sharia law just protains to marriage/divorce issues or civil issues. Pakistan's government is secular. Muslim countries like Iran, Saudi Arab, and Sudan are countries that are purely ruled by Sharia Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Modern_Islamic_law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Law_of_the_United_States
According to those links Sharia law is not a antithesis to liberty and justice.
Read both those two sections, here are a few excerpts from them:
"Secularists believe that the law of the state should be based on secular principles, not on Islamic legal theory.
Traditionalists believe that the law of the state should be based on the traditional legal schools. However,traditional legal views are considered unacceptable by some modern Muslims, especially in areas like women's rights or slavery.Reformers believe that new Islamic legal theories can produce modernized Islamic law[85] and lead to acceptable opinions in areas such as women's rights. However, traditionalists believe that any departure from the legal teachings of the Qur'an as explained by the Prophet Muhammad and put into practice by him is an alien concept which cannot properly be attributed to "Islam"."
"Azizah Y. al-Hibri argues that American constitutional law may have possibly borrowed certain concepts from Islamic constitutional law.[37] al-Hibri compares the American constitution to the Qur'an, Sunnah and Constitution of Medina, such as the establishment of a federal government, the declaration of freedom of religion, the abolishment of guilt by association, the right to privacy, and matters such as common defense and peacemaking."
"Thomas Jefferson was familiar with Orientalist writings on Islam (including those of Volney) in addition to owning a copy of the Qur'an, that Jefferson spoke of avoiding the mistakes of previous civilizations, and that there were African American Muslim slaves from an Islamic legal background.[40] However, Thomas Jefferson was not involved at all in the Constitutional drafting, as he was the United States Minister to France from 1785 to 1789."
"According to Mary Lynn Mathre, with "this legal distinction between the intoxicant and the medical uses of cannabis, medieval Muslim theologians were far ahead of present-day American law."
I'm just trying to get to understand the truth here.
"I would like to know who pays? Is the government required to pay for the establishment and running of these courts?
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I would imagine they are runned just like the Bet Din courts.
"Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, said he had taken advantage of a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996.Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case."
"Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act and resolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, and previously operated under a precursor to the act."
Here is the problem:
“The MCB supports these tribunals. If the Jewish courts are allowed to flourish, so must the sharia ones.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4749183.ece
Though I do sort of see your point about the differences between Sharia law and Bet Din courts.
"It is so confusing, and so upsetting. You cannot vote for Le Pen."
Alas, Le Pen is probably the only frenchman who can sleep easy at night. Knowing that he at least tried to warn his fellow frenchmen of the coming dangers.
Despite how he is villified for his supposed anti-semitism here, I think most jews will agree with me that it would be far better to have someone in power that refers to the holocaust as a 'detail' of WW2 than to have those in power who would cause another one.
Demographics is destiny. Kick out all the north africans, the africans, the middle easterners, the asians, the americans, even the australians. Pay frenchmen to have more babies instead of letting immigration destroy what they hold dear.
"The MCB supports these tribunals. If the Jewish courts are allowed to flourish, so must the Sharia ones"
--- Proxywar, quoting Inayat Bunglawala, assistant secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain.
No, no, no, and again, no. Just because there have been Christian and Jewish schools, is no reason to allow Islamic ones. Just because there are Bet Din tribunals is no reason to allow Islamic sharia courts. Islam is unique and uniquely dangerous and must not be accorded the privileges of these other religions which have been with us for centuries and which support our civilisation.
Islam is like the house guest, invited with the best intentions, but who then trashes the house, breaks the crockery, eats all the food, craps on the carpet, then -- when asked to desist (not leave, just desist), demands instead that he be "respected".
Islam must not be allowed any further privileges when they demand them as "rights". They are not; they are privileges, which have NOT been earned.
Jew_lover's post about the "751 no-go areas in France" (first post here) was interesting. The stats are from 2006 and are on many blogs. Thing is: I could find no update of the figure. How many are there now, three years later?? Is it just a matter of hiding the latest figures, cause they're so bad? Or can someone direct me to a link with latest figures?
I'm inclined to believe you IF you can juxtaposition these differences. Keep it within the context of marriage/divorce issues, and civil issues. Set aside for now the camel's nose under the tent argument.You made the claim so the burden of proof is on you. Convince me.
Seconding your points, meeker.
As regards Islamic schools - Ayaan Hirsi Ali herself told the Dutch, the British *and* the USA to ban them; and at the same time, she (an atheist) declared that while non-Muslim states should ban Islamic schools, they need not impose a similar ban on, say, Jewish or Catholic schools, because these did not involve the unique political and social peril represented by Islamic schools.
"Despite how he is villified for his supposed anti-semitism here, I think most jews will agree with me that it would be far better to have someone in power that refers to the holocaust as a 'detail' of WW2 than to have those in power who would cause another one."
I agree with TexanStar; and the same goes for Nick Griffin. The gingerly fastidiousness with which a Penn or a Griffin is treated may be warranted when things are relatively normal -- not when the house is on fire. And how much smoke and how many flames leaping from cracks and corners do we have to see before we agree that our house is in fact on fire?
When our children are burning and our foundations are in flames, at least we can take consolation in the noble fact that we turned our noses up at those who said the wrong thing at the wrong time...
"Despite how he is villified for his supposed anti-semitism here, I think most jews will agree with me that it would be far better to have someone in power that refers to the holocaust as a 'detail' of WW2 than to have those in power who would cause another one."
Spoken like a true Neo-Nazi...
No, I don't prefer Beelzebub over Satan, you silly fool.
'Supposed' anti-Semitism ?
Are you a 'supposed' Neo-Nazi ?
I live in France and am English. The descriptions given in the article by Hugh are accurate. Toulon, Marseilles, Paris, Frejus etc etc are being taken over by some of these vile creatures. Now, the French are not ignorant of the issues and there will be a fightback - it is not too late. As it happens I live near to a small town in SW France they never had any trouble upto 10 years ago. Now they have cars being burnt, rapes, murder and all the hallmarks of an incipient takeover by these creeps. The only thing is, most of the people round here are hunters nearly everyone has a gun (so do the mools but there are more of us). I would like to add that not all of the Muslims are the same but I also have to add that they are a small and diminishing minority.
Nakal:
"No, I don't prefer Beelzebub over Satan, you silly fool."
So better to have muslims rule france and chase out or exterminate any remaining jews(many of them leaving france already), than to elect a frenchmen who holds french values dear, but makes disparaging comments about the holocaust?
Still, to each his own. If calling people neo-nazis for wanting others to vote for the few people in each country who would actually do something about the western world's repeated attempts to commit suicide, despite the faults and character flaws of said people, then that's your business.
Eric
good to hear some news from the grassroots level. Keep us all posted on the state of affairs in your hometown.
By the way - have you ever read Malcolm Gladwell's book 'Tipping Point'? A popular paperback, sure, but there are a couple of chapters in it - chapters four and five, 'The Power of Context' - that, I think, should be required reading for people in the Resistance to Jihad.
Because I think that what happens when Muslims infiltrate and 'Islamoform' an area - say a street, a neighbourhood, a campus, a city, region, and finally, a country - is a sort of textbook demonstration of what Gladwell, following the criminologists James Q Wilson and George Kelling, calls the 'broken window' principle. Indeed, I would see a mosque as the precise equivalent of a 'crack house'.
But the underlying principles involved in that process can be used, if the Infidels while still in sufficient numbers are determined and persistent, to *reverse* the Islamoforming. (I hope the ban on the burqa in public places, that has been mooted by 58 French mps, goes ahead. A ban on the burqa/ niqab in the streets of France - if resolutely and continuously enforced - could have all sorts of fascinating effects; because it's about visual cues, about the 'atmosphere' that is created; just like removing litter and graffiti has an effect on the way people perceive a street or a park).
The methods that Gunn and then Bratton and the Transit Police used to sort out first the subways, then - scaling up, under Giuliani - large parts of NYC, could - suitably interpreted - be a good starting point or inspiration for those who set out to resist the Islamification of Europe, or of anywhere else.
It might be a good idea to identify, in your area, zones of particular value to non-Muslims - the church, the town hall, the war memorials, the cemetery, the place where people walk their dogs, the school, the library, wherever it is that couples like to stroll - and consciously figure out what you are all going to do to visibly, regularly 'occupy' - and if necessary, DEFEND - that area.
The Infidels will have to patrol their territory and defend it and 'possess' it, actively, consciously, and persistently. And when necessary, aggressively.