Saying of agents: "Deal with them, deal with them the way, the way they supposed to be dealt with. ... It's not that complicated, man." Unlike, apparently, the doctrine of Islamic jihad which, according to all the mainstream authorities, he has gotten wrong, wrong, wrong, despite being an imam and teacher of Islam. More on this story. "A look at group's alleged targets," by Niraj Warikoo for the Detroit Free Press, October 29 (thanks to James):
[...] "Luqman Abdullah calls his followers to an offensive jihad," the indictment says.Here are some of his alleged targets, according to the 43-page indictment.
# In November 2008, Abdullah talked with an undercover agent about a doctor captured in Afghanistan who had been wanted by the FBI. Abdullah then talked about jihad and going after what he called "super agents." "Trail them, follow them, know where they house is at. ... Deal with them, deal with them the way, the way they supposed to be dealt with. ... It's not that complicated, man. ...You got hundreds of agents right down there off of, off of Michigan" Avenue. The reference was to the FBI's Detroit office. [...]
# "Abdullah informed" an undercover agent "that a member of his community in Detroit had shot police officers."
# He referred to Washington as a possible target.
More from here (thanks to Axel) -- and look who is defending Luqman Abdullah:
The FBI said Abdullah, also known as Christopher Thomas, was an imam, or prayer leader, of a radical group named Ummah whose primary mission is to establish an Islamic state within the U.S.Abdullah told followers that it was their "duty to oppose the FBI and the government and it does not matter if they die" and to "simply shoot a cop in the head" if they wanted the officer's bulletproof vest, Leone wrote.
The affidavit also said bombs, guns and even the recipe for TNT were among Abdullah's regular topics with his allies. Group members and former members said they were "willing to do anything Abdullah instructs and/or preaches, even including criminal conduct and acts of violence," the FBI agent wrote.
But that description doesn't match what Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations' Michigan chapter, said he knew of Abdullah.
"He would open up the mosque to homeless people. He used to run a soup kitchen and feed indigent people," Walid said. "I knew nothing of him that was related to any nefarious or criminal behavior."
Walid said Abdullah had a wife and children. A phone number for the family had been disconnected.
Ummah believes that a separate Islamic state in the U.S. would be controlled by Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rap Brown, who is serving a life sentence in a federal prison in Colorado for shooting two police officers in Georgia in 2000, Leone said.
Al-Amin, a veteran of the black power movement, started the group after he converted to Islam in prison....
Abdullah's mosque is in a brick duplex on a residential street in Detroit. A sign on the door in English and Arabic reads, in part, "There is no God but Allah." The mosque was located elsewhere in the city until the property was lost in January because of unpaid taxes.
When the eviction took place, a search turned up empty shell casings and large holes in the concrete wall of a "shooting range," Leone said....
The FBI built its case over two years with the help of confidential sources close to Abdullah who recorded conversations and participated in undercover operations involving the sale of furs, laptop computers, televisions, energy drinks and power tools.
Abdullah received at least 20 percent of any profit and claimed the "Prophet Muhammad said that it is okay to participate in theft; as long as that person prays, they are in a good state," Leone wrote in the affidavit.
"And know that whatever ye take as spoils of war, lo! a fifth thereof is for Allah, and for the messenger and for the kinsman (who hath need) and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer..." -- Koran 8:41
Imad Hamad, regional director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in Dearborn, said the FBI briefed him about the arrests."We know that this is not something to be projected as something against Muslims," Hamad said.
Yep. That's what it's always about, eh, Hamad? Not -- "We're going to teach against these ideas to try to make sure this doesn't happen again." Just more spurious claiming of victim status.
Deal with them, deal with them the way, the way they supposed to be dealt with...
Every time I read a story of a foiled jihadist plot in the US, it seems the perps are manifest idiots (as in the case where none of a certain group could produce a working credit card to rent a truck). The FBI's job will be easy in islamo-terrorist investigations as long as a) the BHO administration allows them to do their jobs unhindered and b) the bad guys continue to be of the three stooges variety. Go get 'em guys.
"Deal with them, deal with them the way, the way they supposed to be dealt with. ... It's not that complicated, man." - The imam
Correct, it's not complicated. The central goal of Supremacist Islam being to "Kill all non-Moslems until Islam rules the world and the only deity worshipped is Allah."
That's it. Simple. In fact, when I comment on articles in online newspapers about Islam and it's Jihadist doctrine, I usually add something like, "Come on, people, it's not complicated," just like the imam!
Islam is simple and simple-minded because it was invented by an illiterate Warlord - there is no real God involved. This is why it can't stand any tough scrutiny, and why Muslims seek to muzzle educated minds in the West from criticizing it.
If Muslims could only find the courage to peek behind the curtain of Islam, they'd find a "humbug," just as Dorothy did in the Emerald City.
"humbug" - noun, 1. Something intended to deceive. 2. An impostor.
When used as an interjection, the meaning is "nonsense!"
Islam - A 7th century AD War/Conquest ideology that's simple to understand.
Cair's Dawud Walid said. "I knew nothing of him that was related to any nefarious or criminal behavior."
Is that statement supposed to exonerate Abdullah? A simple assertion that Walid didn't know of any nefarious or criminal behaviour? In CAIR's eyes, probably so. I knew nothing of his criminal behavior, either. So what? This is simple obfuscation and in the eyes of most objective observers, that statement means absolutely nothing as to his innocence or guilt.
I do get the idea Luqman did not have deep connections to the wider Muslim community in Dearborn. I'd love to see the details if I'm wrong.
Still, if Walid didn't know about this guy and his activities he'd have to be blind. This wasn't the first time Luqman's name popped up in a bad way. And he was doing his biz right under their noses.
I'd like to know why it took so long for the FBI to take this guy down. He's been around for a long time. Gotta wonder if maybe they hadn't been waiting to see if there was a link to other organizations.
Well, at this one is dead now. Just need to pay attention to the next in line, and so on, until we get all the bad guys. I can't but notice that more and more news articles refer to jihad in america. sounds like a lot of bad guys are going to keep our law enforcement busy for some time. Too bad fighting them over there didn't work out the way we wanted. We forgot that they were already here and still coming due to our assinine immigration policies.
When is our law enforcement agencies going to figure out that islam is just like any other cult and needs to b e eradicated. We didn't seem to have a problem rooting out other cults in our midst; maybe someday we'll get IT.
Cair's Dawud Walid said. "I knew nothing of him that was related to any nefarious or criminal behavior."
How can a Muslim who follows the Koran and the hadith be involved in "nefarious or criminal behavior?"
Luqman was just doing the right thing. He was, according to his religion, perfectly just and correct, just like the profit of Islam himself:
Abdullah received at least 20 percent of any profit and claimed the "Prophet Muhammad said that it is okay to participate in theft; as long as that person prays, they are in a good state," Leone wrote in the affidavit.
And I see Debbie Schlussel has finally weighed in and is in agreement with my earlier post. These guys were pretty much just (un)common criminals.
And that makes the line of criticism plain and simple. Why didn't some local Arab imam sit Luqman down and set the Misunderstander straight? He was under their noses for quite a long time. Yet it occurred to no one to disabuse him of the notion that such criminal activity was a-ok as long as it was directed against the infidel.
And Walid can't even bring himself to criticize Luqman AFTER the fact.
Here is most of a report from ABC News about the raid at a warehouse in Dearborn, Michigan: :
"Federal authorities in Detroit say they fatally shot the leader of a radical fundamentalist Sunni Islam group after he failed to surrender on several criminal charges.
The U.S. attorney's office says Luqman Ameen Abdullah was killed while exchanging gunfire with federal agents Wednesday at a warehouse in Dearborn.
A court document says Abdullah is an imam, or prayer leader, of a radical group whose primary mission is to establish an Islamic state within the United States. Authorities say he's also known as Christopher Thomas.
Abdullah and 10 others were charged today in a criminal complaint with conspiracy and theft of interstate shipments, mail fraud to obtain the proceeds of arson, illegal possession and sale of firearms, and the altering and tampering with vehicle identification numbers (VIN)…..
The case was being investigated by the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) in Detroit, though the men charged today were not charged with terrorism offenses.
The raid followed a series of recent arrests, including those of a man suspected of plotting attacks against New York, to men in Dallas and Springfield, Ill., accused of being homegrown terrorists.
Imad Hamad, director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, told a local Detroit news channel that he was told the arrests in the latest case were not related to the suspects' religion.
‘Basically, they assured us that this raid, this initiative, is solely criminal and has nothing to do with Muslims or people of Muslim faith," he said in a report by the television station WJBK. "I cannot enter any judgment basically about this. Simply, I don't know them. I got to learn about what I heard today.’"
Now let’s put that statement by Imad Hamad, the one in which he claims he was assured that this raid was “solely criminal and had nothing to do with Muslims or people of Muslim faith” besides the other information given in the story. To wit:
“Federal authorities in Detroit say they fatally shot the leader of a radical fundamentalist Sunni Islam group after he failed to surrender on several criminal charges.
The U.S. attorney's office says Luqman Ameen Abdullah was killed while exchanging gunfire with federal agents Wednesday at a warehouse in Dearborn.
A court document says Abdullah is an imam, or prayer leader, of a radical group whose primary mission is to establish an Islamic state within the United States. Authorities say he's also known as Christopher Thomas.”
Luqman Ameen Abdullah, the man who was killed and the apparent head of the criminal conspiracy, was a Muslim, an imam or prayer leader. His fellow criminals were, similarly, all Muslims and members of his “radical group” whose “primary mission is to establish an Islamic state within the United States.”
Do you agree with Imad Hamad that this raid had nothing to do with Muslims or the Muslim religion.
If you do, then please explain. Write only on one side of the blue books.
After a segment 'analyzing' a German TV commercial featuring a model slowly getting dressed in lingere and topping it off with a burqa, Bill O'Reilly seemed to suggest censorship because Islam is a "legitimate religion," but we have some "problems" with guys like this Detroit imam who are "extremists who pervert their religion."
Why do they all 'pervert' it the same way? By the millions?
"they assured us that this raid, this initiative, is solely criminal and has nothing to do with Muslims or people of Muslim faith" and "a court document says Abdullah is an imam, or prayer leader, of a radical group whose primary mission is to establish an Islamic state within the United States."
I'm so relieved!
For a moment I really believed that they were waging jihad in the name of Islam. Now we know its just criminal we can all go back to sleep and pretend nothing happened.
Repeat after me or fill in the blanks:
can't blame the religion of 1.5 gazillion.............., can't tar all Muslims with the same................., Islam is........, Islam is not a m................, can't blame all Muslims for a few....................,
"He would open up the mosque to homeless people. He used to run a soup kitchen and feed indigent people,"
Well that is it then, he is obviously as innocent as the new born lamb.How can such a kindly and god-fearing man possibly be accused of terrorism ? It breaks one's heart. HAMAS also run soup kitchens as do many other Islamic organisations, are they terrorists as well ? The sole pre-requisite for proving you are not a terrorist is then posited that you perform kindly acts. I now know that all the people involved in the London bombings were not terrorists because all of them performed kindly acts - in fact one was a Youth Worker. Case closed.
Great point Hugh...no one seems to take notice that a religious leader is totting weapons and having a shootout with our law enforement. I'm trying to imagine my congregational leader carrying an automatic weapon and going gung-ho fighting the authorities...I just don't see it. How can't people not make the link to islam when we continually hear about the imam's being the ones engaged in illegal activity. I can't believe that islam will not be outed (sooner rather than later I hope) as more of these events take place and the MSM starts reporting (factually).
It's good that the FBI and local LE were able to scarf these guys up and that they sent that one dirtbag to meet his maker. But we need to remember that no police agency has the obligation to protect any individual citizen, only "society" in general. That's setttled law.
That means we, you and I, have an important role in this war, too. None of us should take for granted that LE is on top of every cell/loner and will swoop in to save the day.
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2007/11/this-post-is-ad.html
Two men shot at a NOrth Hollywood Synagogue
the jihad continues
Shoot back.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570266,00.html
I just wish Mr. O'Reilly (and many other media "personalities") would read the Qur'an.
To all Muslims, the Qur'an is eternal and cannot be modified. Thus, the teachings on jihad, kuffars, murder, rape, theft and slavery will always be available to any Muslim.
The reason that Muslims target prisons for recruitment is that the population is ALREADY sympathetic to the notion that criminal activity is okay. In Islam, as long as it is in the name of Islam, crime is halal (permitted).
Two men shot at a NOrth Hollywood Synagogue...
Allah is breaking out all over...A pandemic...Lead injections are often called for to cure difficult cases...
I wonder how they could call it a hate crime so quickly. Obviously, there is more to the story than we can read.
"Group members and former members said they were 'willing to do anything Abdullah instructs and/or preaches, even including criminal conduct and acts of violence,' the FBI agent wrote."
Well, they've chosen islams evil path, and to hate just as their 'prophet' before them hated. muhammad was a hater and murderer too, so of course all good and faithful mohammedans must do the same.
"lead injections" ...2funny :)
Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations' Michigan chapter, offers us a classic example of the Islamic sub-category of deception to further jihad -- kitman, which means telling part of the truth in order to obscure other parts of the truth:
"He would open up the mosque to homeless people. He used to run a soup kitchen and feed indigent people," Walid said. "I knew nothing of him that was related to any nefarious or criminal behavior."
Parts of the truth Walid tells here:
1) He opened up the mosque to homeless people and ran a soup kitchen to feed poor people
2) Walid knew nothing of Luqman Abdullah that was related to "any nefarious or criminal behavior".
Part of the truth Walid does not tell here:
1) "nefarious or criminal behavior" as defined in Islam only refers to violence that undermines Jihad -- not to violence that furthers Jihad. Walid is thus saying in #2 above that, as far as he knew, Luqman Abdullah had never engaged in any violence that undermined Jihad. What Walid carefully left out was his knowledge of any violence and plots of violence in order to advance Jihad that Lugman Abdullah was engaged in.
"Do you agree with Imad Hamad that this raid had nothing to do with Muslims or the Muslim religion."
Nope. It is strictly "cultural", like "dis"honor-killings. African-American prison culture, that is. That he was an imam preaching Islam in a mosque is purely coincidental.
/s
"Now let’s put that statement by Imad Hamad, the one in which he claims he was assured that this raid was “solely criminal and had nothing to do with Muslims or people of Muslim faith” besides the other information given in the story."
Now, to illustrate the illogical disconnect and horrific double-standard when the press deals with Muslims as opposed to any other group, lets examine the Fox story below:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570266,00.html?test=latestnews
Two Jewish men shot, with the police not even sure that they have the correct perpetrator in custody, yet alone a motive, concluded as an obvious "hate-crime".
Muslim imam, preaching hated of the kuffar openly, promoting offensive jihad?.......*crickets.
And next we'll have 'Backlash Frenzy' as mosques around the country cry out for protection.
[rolls_eyes]
Hesperado - you (and Ericthekuffar above, discussing the misleading reference to soup kitchens) have read Dawud Walid exactly as I did.
The soup kitchens and offering of shelter to the homeless prove nothing - I liked Eric's comparison to Hamas' much-vaunted 'charity' (and Hezbollah, too, has used handouts to build a following).
First of all, the recipients of this largesse were most likely only fellow Muslims. Muslims are only supposed to give to other Muslims (though they are not normally very good at doing that, either).
Or if they were not, food and shelter were most likely offered with Islamic strings attached - as they are offered routinely by Muslim da'wa artists throughout Africa and the Caribbean at the moment. If you convert, or if you make large accommodations to Islam [this is what rich Muslims offering goodies, have asked of the governments of more than one very poor Christian Caribbean country], then you get the goodies; if you refuse to convert, or refuse to make those accommodations, nothing is forthcoming. Muslims always accuse Christians of using charity to 'bribe' people into converting - something that, in fact, most modern Christian organisations take great pains to *avoid* doing, because 'rice Christians' tend to buckle if persecution arises. When the Muslims do that - accuse Christians who give charity, of using bribery - all they are doing, is assuming that the Christians when giving charity *must* have an ulterior motive...as they [the Muslims] do.
As for that disingenuous line about not knowing of any 'nefarious or criminal behaviour', well, Hesperado, I think you've nailed it.
It means he, Dawud Walid, doesn't believe that Luqman was doing anything that a *Muslim* would regard as 'nefarious or criminal behaviour'.
And the Muslim definition of that, is quite different from the non-Muslim definition; though Walid is counting on his interlocutor, and the readers of the newspaper, not knowing this.
In Australia, when gangs of young Muslim men were caught and tried and sent to jail for a series of vicious gang rapes of non-Muslim Australian teenage girls, the families of the young men were deeply indignant, totally outraged, and absolutely incapable of even beginning to grasp that their young men had done anything wrong at all. This shocked the reporters and the police and the legal people, because the hard evidence was overwhelming: the men were guilty, guilty, guilty. What only a few Infidel Aussies began to realize, with a nasty crawling feeling up and down the spine, was this...that the Muslim community truly didn't regard the violently gang-rape of non-Muslim girls by Muslim men, as a criminal act. It wasn't wrong, in their eyes. It was just Muslim men doing to kaffir girls what kaffir girls are there for.
From the article:
'Abdullah's mosque is in a brick duplex on a residential street in Detroit. A sign on the door in English and Arabic reads, in part, "There is no God but Allah."
'The mosque was located elsewhere in the city until the property was lost in January because of unpaid taxes.
'When the eviction took place, a search turned up empty shell casings and large holes in the concrete wall of a "shooting range," Leone said....'.
Looks like we can add Abdullah's previous mosque, with its unpaid taxes and its improvised 'shooting range' inside, to Mr Fitzgerald's collection of 'Mosques Behaving Badly'.
Makes one wonder how many *other* mosques throughout the Lands of the Non-Muslims, if inspected (and surprise inspections are always the ticket) might turn out to be like Abdullah's.
as usual Muslims demonstrate violence when they are not in total control...it will only get worse when they are....If you are a Christian. just review the treatment Muslims are dishing out to Christians in Pakistan, Iran, Somalia, Niger, Indonesia, Bangledesh and just about any other country you can name where Muslim have become strong enough to force their will upon you....violence, violence, violence it is the Islamic way...Islam...feel the love?.
Islam - A 7th century AD War/Conquest ideology that's simple to understand.
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That sums it up rather well.
Soon you won't be allowed to say that any longer since the Bama is busy conspiring with egypt [whom we pay billions each and every year to] and the U.nited N.azis to take away your right to speak the Truth.
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