European Union set to outlaw objections to Islamic practices

"Objections to Muslim and Homosexual Practices to be Unlawful in Europe"

I immediately spotted a Catch-22.

What if a Muslim is objecting to homosexual practices as part of Muslim practice? What do they do then?

And FINALLY once they make this law - everyone will live together in love and harmony and hate will be just a memory.

As for someone feeling "offended" over criticism of "lifestyle", does this only protect those two groups?

There's lots that someone could criticize about my lifestyle. However, does this mean that pot must be legalized now, so I don't get offended about my lifestyle being outlawed? Should I go cry to the police if someone calls me a pothead now?

Good thing I'm not a Muslim and my skin is thick enough to not give a damn what anyone thinks about what I do with my life.

Great way to open up an unnecessary can of worms, EU.

head/desk

Always on Watch -

(head/desk) THAT'S A POEM!!! brevity supreme.

Hmm... I think there's a problem here. What happens when Muslim practices object to homosexual practices? Are homosexuals allowed to object to these Muslim practices?

I'll bet our dhimmi friends in Europe haven't considered this.

The new theme song for Free Speech.

Na-na-naaa-na
na-na-naaa-na
Hey-ey-ey, Goodbye.....

And with the statists putting an extension of the US hate law in the defense appropriations bill, we aren't that far behind.

Time for the EU to disband

Isn't this a double-edged sword? Since I am both intimidated and offended on a daily basis by the activities of these barbarians can I now take action against them?

We need to get Islam declared NOT A RELIGION. Or else, get Nazism declared AS A RELIGION.

This is nuts, completely over-the-top broad based and a license for lawlessness and capricious lawsuits, accusations and arrests.

I guess one way around this nonsense is the "Jeopardy" tactic - pose all objections and observations as questions: "Based on Muhammad's marrying a 6 year old, does that make him a pedophile?" "Why is beheading the preferred Islamic practice for executions?" "Why does Islam say that women are more likely than men to burn in hell, and why are they worth only half of a man?" etc etc etc

How can we watch as Europe sinks beneath the twin waves of the EU and jihad? Will we have to fight a third war on European soil to liberate it from tyranny?

Is it "time to ring some changes"? Or is the Western spirit that birthed our own country dying by degrees?

It's amazing that any fair-minded person would continue saying that Christians are treated better in Muslim lands than Muslims are treated in Christian or secular countries.

Can you imagine any Muslim country affording such extreme protections of Christian sensibilities as Europe is affording to Muslims?

And if there were such a Muslim country, it would be smeared as a "puppet state" of the West, a co-conspirator with the Great Satan, and it would become destination #1 for terrorist attacks by "real Muslims" against "half-Muslims."

Wow! new rule, offending Islam will be a crime in Europe.

Crosses, cartoons, teddy bears, uncovered meat, infidels..
A long long list, the enemies of Islam meet God's wrath. Hehe, yikes! surely 'they know not what they do'
This should be a good scrap.

Already happens in this country. Here's the latest manifestation of the law:

"After witnessing [and being insulted] a gay pride march, committed Christian Pauline Howe wrote to the council to complain that the event had been allowed to go ahead.
But instead of a simple acknowledgement, she received a letter warning her she might be guilty of a hate crime and that the matter had been passed to police.
Two officers later turned up at the frightened grandmother's home and lectured her about her choice of words before telling her she would not be prosecuted."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222861/Pensioner-complained-gay-pride-march-warned-police-hate-crime.html

She's a Christian, but of course it doesn't matter if she's offended. Christianity doesn't count, we're not victims (like heck!).

geeees....the BBC messege boards are allready PC. you won't be able to post anything with out being modded

but it's still okay for the koran to incite violence? no european vacation for me!

Islam - 270 million killed in the last 1400 years.

Inclusion of the word "religion" in this proposed EU legislation is worrisome.

But in any case, are non-Muslis simply to continue to pretend that Islam is a "religion" in the sense in which Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism are religions? What about the politics and geopolitics of Islam, for it is that which threatens us? Are we to ignore the very thing that most threatens our legal and political institutions, our art, our science, our freedoms, our everything, and us besides?

Why should anyone accept the definition of Islam as a "religion"? It was regarded as a barbarous cult, and called such, all over the Western world, well into the 19th century. With no one quite clear as to what might be the appropriate defining characteristics of a religion, those that would distinguish it, say, from a political ideology, Islam began to be called a "religion" or, still worse, "one of the world's great religions" when what was meant by the ambigous and therefore dangerous word "great" was "with a large number of adherents."

"In a nutshell............." - intentional pun or a Freudian slip?

"Read the archives of just one hate related site, well, let's just pick one - how about Jihad Watch?" -- AM

Whoa! ..for once I actually agree with our resident Mohammedan troll. Yes, there is plenty of hate on Jihad Watch -- NO THANKS TO ISLAM & COMPANY.

AM, back with your typical veiled threat to Robert and childish rationale for why he'd need a legal disclaimer.

ESPN has a legal disclaimer as does most sites where people are allowed to make comments even though they are largely moderated.

If you don't know where the quran incites violence then you must have got a bad copy or you just don't understand it. It's been documented many times and through various forms and that should be enough. However, we can also add the fact that moslem behavior exhibited worldwide makes it impossibly coincidental for islam to shrug off the blame.

You have failed to answer my question that I've repeatedly asked you, but I believe in persistence. I'll try again:

Abdullah Mikail, are you an advocate of child molestation as your 'Perfect Man', mohammed (Pedophile, misogynist, murderer, liar, maniac, thief, parasite etc) was?

Yes or no?

A.M.

I think what you interpret as "hate" is really better defined disgust. Disgust at the dissimulation we get from Muslims and the P.C. press as to what is going on right before our eyes in Islamic countries in regards religious minorities. The institutionalized discrimination of non-Muslims as second class citizens, based on Sharia judicial codes. Islam is a theological weapon used to undermine and destroy non-ISlamic societies, Muslim immigration is actually more aptly defined as an invasion, because Islam and sharia is a complete constitution for Muslims, not the laws of he nations Muslims emigrate into. Your social norms are a foreign ideology, and contrary to the ethos of the land. Everyone sees it, even honest Muslims announce it for exactly what it is ... and yes we are angry at being invaded.

What this means is the codification of a phenomenon that already exists in spades.

"Youths" will become the eternal euphemism to describe Muslim unrest and rioting...the disproportionate percentage of rapes and other crimes attributable to Muslim immigrants will forever be rendered an non-fact...and honor killings, FGM, and the on-going murder of apostates will be forever decoupled from Islam, theological realities be damned.

We are entering a totalitarian age, my friends, and the freedoms that we all grew up taking for granted will some day be looked upon by common folk as a long-lost golden age of human liberty...(though not in the official narrative of our elite, of course).

Yanks take note! We're not immune from what's happening in Europe. After all, multiculturalism was originally a European concept, born in the 60s. It took another decade to catch on in America.

Now what AM needs to do is show us where Hitler quotes the Bible to justify his actions. Actually Mein Kampf has a lot in common with the Quran, and Hadith if we want to get into that http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_16_Mein_Kampf.Islam but perhaps this real analysis between Hitlers ideology and Islam would be considered "hate" speech. I believe Geert Wilder is actually being prosecuted for making such an analysis for insulting the dignity of Muslims. If A.M. can actually make a link between Jesus, the Bible and a quote from Hitler more power to you, but would you call it "hate" for me to point out that the there is a strong possibility that Hitler was more influenced by Islam during his stay in prison, than any Christian theology.

"As with Muhammad and Islam, terror was the central ingredient in Hitler's Nazi religotic: Mein Kampf:58 "The importance of physical terror against the individual and the masses also became clear to me." Muhammad agreed: Bukhari:V4B52N220 "Allah’s Apostle said, 'I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror.'"

WHATTA LOAD OF HOOEY ALERT FROM AM!! ..."we do not seek to teach you or others about your religion…and furthermore, we don’t do it seeking profit and commerce like some do."

AM has but one goal on Jihad Watch, and that's to teach us all a thing-or-two about Islam. O, and I guess he's never heard about jizya. I think AM needs to enroll HIMSELF in a few Islamic courses, because he doesn't know shit about his own religions racketeering. Or maybe he's lying? ..yep, that's it.

And what's with the "we"? Does AM speak for all moose limbs? ...what an ego.

... hate crime legislation, which will turn disapproval for Islamic practices or homosexual lifestyles into crimes...

The very concept of hate crimes would have been unthinkable, and patently unconstitutional, 30 yrs ago.

*** 8:12 ***

So what has changed since then?

* Television has rendered public discourse to be emotive rather than logical, fictive rather than factual.

* After the Vietnam War the channels of education became channels of inculcation, naked opinion programming, with virtually all newspapers, classrooms, churches, and television networks going Marxist.

* Marxists are suckers for angry Moslems.

* Democratic process has been increasingly limited by the leftward drift of law schools everywhere. In fact, representative democracy no longer exists in Western Europe.

* Crooked judges born of these law schools have worked relentlessly to destroy constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms, with the illegal birth of hate crime laws being the most pernicious.

* The birth of the Internet solved the longstanding habit of ignorance, insularity, and disorganization in the Moslem world.

* Global obeisance to Moslems was greatly enhanced by the discovery of vast pools of oil in Dar al-Islam.

* Terrorist attacks by Moslem activists have succeded in raising the desire in Infidels to obey Moslems even more. More Jihad terror war attacks will further increase the growing desire to give Moslems what they want.

Everything is falling Islam's way. This is why Mohammed designed terror into his belief system design.

"Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's."

Gee, Champ, who dropped that pearl of wisdom on you?

Taxes, that is all that jizya is, and more, actually, they did not have compulsory military service, paid no Zakat on their wealth, were not required to pay Zakat ul Fitra, and did not have to give Sadaqa, or abide by any of the financial burdens of Islam that the governor's and the governing people had to pay.

You're just uptight because at one point in history taxes had to be paid to Muslims by non-Muslims.

Get over it. : )

Peace
Abdullah

And here is a quote from Hitler:

"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japaneses, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to use than Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

He detested Christianity.

On its face, this is ridiculous. Free people cannot be free without freedom of speech. It is an oxymoron to say that free people are not allowed free speech.

Hate crime laws are the beginning of the end of free thought and free expression.

The Nazis were way ahead of the EU in controlling free speech.

Asshat Motard doesn't realize that I was merely responding to his assertion that Islam "does not seek profit"....which is bull hockey.

AM L.I.E.S. PERIOD.

AM, to bring it back to the subject of discussion, I'd still like to know what your feelings are about my point in a previous post:

"Abdullah, why can't you see that although we are having a discussion, amongst adults, what I am saying to you and others will become illegal in this country - we will no longer be able to talk about anything except the weather. I know we Brits are especially skilled in all things meteorological, but we do occasionally like to talk about other subjects."

"Then, in the same breath, point out the hundreds of verses in the Bible that can be misconstrued the same." - Ab Mik

Except that neither Jews nor Christians are mass-murderers.

Only Muslims are. Only Muslims. Like you, Ab Mik.

AbdullahMikail,

The murder of the eleven million innocent people (which included six million Jews) was carried out by Nazis, not Christians. If you read enough history of Nazi facism you will find that Christianity was the next thing on their hit list. Christianity and it's morals pretty much got in their way, and since the German culture of Christianity was so ingrained they figured that it would take a little longer to erase. I don't recall reading any accounts of "Praise Jesus" chants when children were being sent in to the gas chambers. Do you?

And another thing: There is a difference between imperative language and historical language. Guess which one is in the Koran? The Old Testiment is a history book. It has no imperative language instructing what to do with people to change their religion.

Oh, and btw, Ab Mik - you know who you worship? - Muhammed.

Yes, you worship Warlord Psychopath Con Man Mass-Murderer Pedophile Polygamist Thief primitive savage 7th century AD Mo.

There is no "allah," a pre-Islamic pagan moon deity. A pagan idol with a crescent moon carved on it's chest. Which archaeologists find all the time in the Arabian desert.

"allah" has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Abraham or with God. You are completely deceived by a Warlord. I'd laugh except the mass-murders by the "religion of peace" in the 21st century aren't funny. You Mass-Murderers. Homicidal Maniacs.

Why don't you just worship a doorknob? Same as "allah."

Ab Mik - whacking his head 5 times a day to a doorknob!

"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to use than Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" - Hitler. NOT A CHRISTIAN.

In fact, a Mohammedan. Figures, the Jew-Hater Mass-Murderer.

Hitler was a Muslim.

The bald security guard who was checking no one stares at us only. Eighty people pass through the line and he singles us out for delay, special searches, lots of questions, and then when I asked the obvious, “So why did you single us out?” he lied, “We are searching 80% of passengers.” "Yeah, like the eighty people in front of us?" He didn't like being shown for what he was, a bigot, in front of everyone...we moved on and got on our plane. I had to console an old woman because that low browed (sic) man embarrassed her in front of everyone. - Ab Mik Mohammedan

BRAVO! BRAVO "bald security guard!" Mohammedans DESERVE TO BE PROFILED, MALE AND FULL-TENT FEMALES ALIKE!!

BRAVO, eh, Ab Mik! Thank You "bald security guard" for protecting us from the mass-murdering Jihadist Mohammedans, primitive savages who should not be allowed in the civilized West.

Hey Ab Mik - Muslims are the "bigots." MUSLIMS ARE THE HATE-FILLED BIGOTS. You Haters. Stop mass-murdering innocent people you Haters, you Bigots.

Oh, and let me add - YOU are "low brow," you Neanderthal, following a stone-age Kill ideology. NEANDERTHAL LOW-BROW ABDULLAH. Not advanced enough to even be Cro-Magnon. A Knuckle-dragger, Ab Mik, a door-knob worshipper.

Abdullah- You should really spend your time conversing with your co-coreligionists. Be they here or over seas that so strongly express views running so counter to yours.

By all rational measure, It is your coreligionists misunderstanding their own Scripture that is the root cause of the problem and at the core of all discussion here.

LOL ! No Jews follow those commands in Deuteronomy anymore! When's the last time a Jew stoned someone? 3 millenia ago?

Meanwhile, Muslims stone girls and women TODAY. IN THE 21ST CENTURY. You primitive Barbarians. You Haters. You Bigots. You uber-Misogynists. Neanderthals.

Imagine a world without primitive savage hate-filled mass-murdering 7th century Islam! What a wonderful world it would be!

Profile Muslims on planes - ALL MUSLIMS - male or female. Especially as the Jihadist Mass-Murderers sometimes disguise themselves as females. PROFILE MOHAMMEDANS. PROFILE MOHAMMEDANS UNTIL THEY STOP MASS-MURDERING PEOPLE.

What if a Muslim is objecting to homosexual practices as part of Muslim practice?

Cave in to the Muslims, I suppose.

These gelly-spined EU politicians and bureaucrats are mainly afraid of one thing: Losing their well-paid positions. Causing controversy by standing firm on our rights could cause trouble, and even trouble that can be remembered on election day - or will cause someone else to get that much-desired promotion.

Staying low, entering a rotten compromise, is the EU way.

Profile Muslims on planes until they stop mass-murdering "Infidels" and "Disbelievers."

Eh, Ab Mik - how 'bout that DESERVED profiling you got? Great, huh? Oh, and also the female, no matter what age, as there ARE female Mohammedan suicide-bombers, and there ARE male Jihadists who disguise themselves as females. FACTS.

Again: Bravo "bald security guard!" Thanks for doing your job and protecting us from the mass-murdering Islamic Barbarians.

As Kemal Ataturk, a Muslim, remarked:

“Islam is an absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, a rotting corpse which poisons our lives."

Exactly. Right on, Kemal. Hey Ab Mik - you like?

"Flower KNife,

I am with you on this one.

But the solution is a long term solution I am working with others on it.

Neither you nor I can talk someone down from the ledge once they are up there...you should know that...once radicalized there is no talking them down.

There are a lot of things that could be changed poliically and militarily globally that would prevent these issues from arising, but I have no affect in that venue.

Think globally act locally.

Peace
Abdullah"

I was waiting for it and there it is...a little post that sums it all. Sure, there a few muslims that are considered terrorists ("radicalized" by the koran that is) but it's not their fault...it's all because of political and military forces need to change (you know, to stop beating down the muslim man). AM has no argumaent against what the terrorist do and even secretly roots for them. He can't change them (nor even try as if hewanted to) but he has the time to try and change us...to soften us up to the inevitable attack of his oppressed brothers. I had to read all the posts and before chiming and calling AM the biggest BS'er I've seen on any board. Take your patronizing, snake-tongue, doublespeak back to cair HQ and tell them more americans are awakening each day. And, one last thing, I love how AM states Germany was a christian nation (so that's the reason for the holacaust) but he has no porblem coming here and telling us not to paint with a broad stroke all muslims (even though they are the ones committing all the terrorist acts in the WORLD).

Take your long term solution and shove it deep in your anus where the rest of islam comes from for surely anything you and your friends are working on will not be good for nun-muslims.

AM, again you never answered my questions (this is the 4th time reposted)

AM on Isreal: "Review the UN declarations about their violations and see how many times Israel proved it deserved the “rights” of being a sovereign nation based upon how they treated the occupied peoples…"
All things being equal you think Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, Afganastan, Pakastan, Yemen, Etc. all don't deserve the rights of being sovereign nations too, right or at least should be criticized equally with Israel?

Could you be more specific about civil rights abuses in Is real and why you think they are occupying Gaza? I never seem to get a clear idea of specifically what Israel is doing that is "occupying" from critics of Israel.
Is it the wall Israel constructed to prevent suicide bombers to the civilians?
The military strikes back to civilian land that the rockets are coming from?
What do you think Israel should do about Gaza's attacks? Whenever I ask this you talk about "words and deeds" but I want A REAL answer. Do you think if Israel stopped responding to attacks and pulled out settlements, the rockets from Gaza would stop? Why? What else would Israel have to do?

You didn't answer my question about what you meant about not being recognized as a Jewish state. I showed it was by the UN ("Jewish state" are the exact words), so do you admit you were you mistaken? or did you mean not recognized by Islam/Muslim countries so it doesn't count?

“Sure Germany is a Christian country, but can you prove that the Nazi's were a Christian organization, operating under Christian principles, like we can prove Islamic nations cite chapter and verse to subjugate non-Muslims as second class citizens.”:
AM said: "I don’t have to."

Look, AM it's traditional when someone makes a claim they back it up with facts. Why do you think you don't need to bring facts to prove your claim? Do you think because you're Muslim we should beleive you? (Just the opposite actually since Mohammad said it's okay to lie to dirty kuffir). You were asked to PROVE your Tu Quo Que statement that you presented as FACT that Hitler/the Nazis murdered in the name of Christ and you FAILED to.

In fact someone presented a quote by Hitler to show the opposite that he despised Christianity. I trust you won't use this argument in the future.

"AM has no argument against what the Terrorists do and even secretly roots for them...I had to read all the posts before chiming in and calling AM the biggest BS'er I've seen on any board. Take your patronizing, snake-tongue, double-speak back to cair HQ and tell them more Americans are awakening each day. And, one last thing, I love how AM states Germany was a Christian nation (so that's the reason for the Holocaust) but he has no problem coming here and telling us not to paint with a broad stroke all muslims (even though they are the ones committing ALL the terrorist acts in the WORLD).

Take your long-term solution and shove it deep in your anus where the rest of islam comes from... - Comic Relief

Bravo CR! You tell him!

Oh yes, Muslims are secretly waiting and "rooting" - until they achieve critical mass in the U.S., just as they have in Western Europe by their baby-factory oppressed door-mat over-breeding females in Western Europe.

Don't hold your breath Foolster...AM will never answer a direct question with a direct response. He only posts to obfuscate the topic at hand and preach his dawa crap. He is an islamist to the bone and would never respond with an honest answer because he just can't without proving what every one this post already knows.

A.M. I don't care about Jews and Jewish Prophets, or Jewish chosen people in regards to this conversation. Jews aren't immigrating into the U.S. espousing an imperialistic agenda, like Muslims are. Why did you change your name to Arabize it? Was your name Michael at some point?

Abdullah Mikail sez:

"It is none of our business what people do behind closed doors. Period. We are, as Muslims, forbidden to spy on one another…it is not ours or anyone else’s responsibility to be the morality police by peeking over walls and listening at doors trying to catch someone doing something we are “offended by.”

bwhahahahahahahaha.....

This is the ultimate result of Euro govts. being full of Islam history ignoramuses. The proposed law is just jihad overdrive of Europe, since every time a Muslim reads the Quran it tells him to damn all infidels to Hell, the definition of infidels covering just about every Euro.

It's time to spend an evening studying Islam's horror show history free with the Historyscoper. Click http://go.to/islamhistory

AM,

I won't retract because the Talamud was for Jews NOT Christians. And you would do well to learn that Jews don't stone each other OR kill people that change their religion. You see, these laws to not apply anymore. I challenge YOU to find anything in the Gospels or anywhere in the NT about killing unbelivers. I challenge YOU to retract your statement implying that the Nazis were Christians.

The Nazis could NOT be "Christians" because Jesus would NEVER have approved of their mass-murder behavior.

Therefore, no matter what they called themselves, the Nazis were NOT Christians.

End of story. Get it, Ab Mik?

Other threads have less than 1/3 as many comments. "Hmm," I thought, "what's going on here?"

He can't derail the thread if you don't take the bait.

What do you think caused "Michael MacKay" to lose his mind?

It's called 'spiritual intoxication' or Allaholism...Drunk with the spirit of Allah...You can see it in his mental lurchings...Islam does not provide protections from being possessed by the malevolent spirit Allah...Abdullah's malevolent parasite (Allah) attacked me a few days ago, but I quickly ate some garlic and escaped the brunt of the assault...

Yep, this was my first thought as well. Protecting gay life-style and Mohammedan interests, that is an oxymoron. I think it is a great achievement of our culture that we respect other people's sexual orientation. But there is absolutely no reason why we should respect Mohammedan barbarism, why we should accept paedophilia, misogyny, massmurder, oppression, intolerance and the like.

Islam is a perverted cult and all of us know that. Micky, to say the best about you, you are a pain in the ass. Stop insulting Robert, he is one of the most courageous and intrepid men I ever met. You are just a whimp and a stupid mental flat w----r, I'm wondering where you left your brain. You probably never got one. You were born a moron and you'll die a moron. No lessons ever learned.

Hitler was no Christian, he hated the Jews and wanted to exterminate them, he despised the Christians, but he loved Mohammedans, because Nazism and Islam are two of a kind. My family was persecuted in Germany, only because they were Jewish. And now Mohammedans are starting that kind of persecution again. They think they can take on Europe and kill all the European Jews and the Israelis. But we won't surrender. We'll fight against Islamic barbarism till the end.

I will try again to get a straight answer from Abdullah Mikhail on a very specific matter I have asked him about several times before and which he has declined to respond to. Here goes again: AM, do you support the present and long-standing interpretation of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States by America's Supreme Court which allows not only criticism, but severe criticism, of any religion? Under present American Constitutional law, one can say, as I am saying now, that Mohammed was a psychopath and a sexual pervert and that Islam is the one major religion of the world which is rotten to the core. Are you supportive of my right to aver what I have just averred and not want such a right ever changed? No evasions.

Too bad the EU didn't have anybody that has ever measured up to the Founding Fathers of America. This was Pat Condell's major point in his last video provided here at JW. The greatest counter in law to Islamic religious law and all the rot that comes with Islam is the First Amendment to America's Constitution. Perhaps it is time for indiviudal European nations, ones that still have any balls left, to implement a First Amendment type provision to their constitutions. Since the British Constitution is unique in not being a single written document but an amalgam of tradition, primary documents and statutes, were the British to go the First Amendment route, a thorough-going statute might do the trick, though I should think that the British tradition alone of freedom of speech would be enough. Sadly, though, it appears quite obvious it no longer is.

This is the beginning of the end for open homosexual practice in Europe. When the rights of Muslims to condemn homosexuality conflict with Gay Pride, Gay Pride will lose badly. Why? Gays expect to win in the law courts when the Muslims are ready to fight violent street battles. Yurrupeen jurists, at that point, will cave, and sacrifice the homosexuals. In a few years, the homosexuals of Yurrup will have to be satisfied with lovesick mooning over a boy's "peach-shaped" bottom when the Mullah and religious police aren't looking--or, becoming the mullahs themselves, and enjoying the boys who come to their madrassahs.

And, watch the Islamicized EU sink more quickly to the level of the Third World than you can say "Jack Ronbinson".

Or, if the peoples of Europe rise up against the Yurrocrats and their Prim and Prissy PeeCeeism, I trust that the USA will have the sense to let matters take their course.

Abdullah Mikhail: As a matter of fact, the Old Testament does speak of people changing their religion. King David (Daud abu Suleiman) wrote the following for Canaanites who left their former religion to worship the God who Is:

Preserve me, O God; for in thee do I put my trust.
O my soul, thou hast said unto the LORD (YHWH), Thou art my Lord ('adonai).
My goodness extendeth not to thee.
But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent ones in whom is all my delight--
Their sorrows shall be multiplied that give gifts to another god: their drink offerings of blood I will not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.
The LORD is the portion of mine inheritance and of my cup:
Thou maintainest my lot.
The lines are fallen unto me in pleasant places; yea, I have a goodly heritage.
I will bless the LORD who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons.
I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
Therefore my heart is glad, and my clory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall dwell confidently.
For thou wilt not leave my soul in Hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou wilt show me the path of life: in thy presence is fullness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.

(Psalm 16).

Ab Mik, you are hearby invited to put aside the figments of Muhammad's imagination and turn away from his libations of blood, which his followers so liberally spill all across the globe (and the reason why you were probably stopped by the security man at the airport).

Embrace the Holy One, who is the Messiah Jesus Christ (note how in Acts 2 the Apostles use this Psalm to show that Jesus' resurrection was prophesied beforehand by David).

Further, Jesus is indeed the Master, as Mrs. J told you. He told people, "Before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58). This peculiar grammar arises because Jesus uses the name of God Almighty as revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14.

After God Himself has taken on our flesh, lived among us, gave his life for our sins (Isaiah 53:5; First Peter 2:24), then rose, body and soul, from the grave any further pretended revelation (such as Muhammad's) is blasphemy.

Do not Muslims themselves admit that while the body of Muhammad lies in a grave in Medina awaiting the resurrection and Last Judgment, Jesus the Messiah is, body and soul, in heaven?

Do not Muslims themselves speak of Isa al-Masih--clearly using a title reflecting the Hebrew and Aramaic M'shiach, or Anointed One, on whom God has poured out the oil of His gladness above all his fellows (Psalm 45:7)?

And, is it not strange, that Muslims are discouraged from reading the Old and New Testaments, unless they wish to try to refute us Kitabi; while Christians read the Old Testament for doctrine, training in righteousness, praise, prayer, and reminders of God's purposes in history? Can it be that the Muslim leaders, starting with Muhammad himself, fear that actually reading the Scriptures (as opposed to accepting fourth-hand stories from equally illiterate people) may show that none of the texts cited by Ahmad Deedat have anything to do with Muhammad at all?

Further, you yourself bear the name of the Archangel Michael ("Who is like God?" in Hebrew)--who, according to the Prophet Daniel (one enjoying the presence of God as you read this, and hence in now need of any prayer from us) stands to protect the Jewish people and fight their enemies (Daniel 10:13; 12:1). A man like you, who, as far as I know, seems to have a zeal for God, albeit in ignorance (Romans 10:2), has no place in Islam, which would turn us from God's riches in Jesus the Messiah to weak and beggarly things.
The gates to turn from falsehood to truth are always open, Brother Abdullah Mikhail. Come through them.

OK- What if one objects to Islamic objections to homosexual practices? Who will they throw in jail then? I bet that Muslims accused of objecting to homosexual practices under this law will be non-existant.Is Islamic preaching that homosexuals should be publically executed objecting to homosexual practices, or doesn't that count? The British/European concept of what free speech means is beyond my understanding.

Mrs. J asked Abdullah,

"if you worship the Creator God, why do you follow Mohammed? To put it crudely, why bother with the monkey when you can speak to the organ-grinder?"

Mohammed was the ventriloquist, Allah was the dummy. However, this is a bit too simplistic to explain the full complexity; for Mohammed himself was a marionette yanked epileptically about by Satan and his minions.

*delurk*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwy1W0IvnMg

*relurk*

Abdullah asks rhetorically:

"Show me one incidence of violence propogated by a 75year old woman."

We've already had a case of a Muslim man and wife willing to destroy their own baby on a plane with their explosive baby formula that would have been part of a plot that British ingelligence estimates would have killed more people than 911. If Muslims in their eschatological ultra-fanaticism are willing to sacrifice their own baby for the path of Allah, they'd be willing to sacrifice their own septaganarian mother-in-law in a New York minute.

Darcy -

Dial it back a bit. You're acting in a way that is going to get you banned.

Don't give AM any ammo.

Above, Foolster posts questions of Abdullah Mikhail (AM) for the 5th time, as AM has been consistently evading his questions for several weeks now (perhaps months).

Finally, AM sees he can't keep getting away with this evasion, since so many people are watching his performance here, which he thinks in his myopic vanity is going well.

And does AM respond to Foolster's questions responsively? Of course not!

He writes, "When I find time I'll dig up all the UN resolutions violated by Israel..."

When I find time! After avoiding the questions four previous times, he had all the time in the world. It is painfully obvious he is trying to buy time, and his tap-dancing on a rickety stage with a threadbare coat and the melting greasepaint of blackface dripping off his face under the heat of the spotlight is getting older than Methuselah by now.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/european-union-set-to-outlaw-objections-to-islamic-practices.html#comment-611397

AbdullahMikail -

Once again, you try to tell us that the sky is not blue, that black is indeed white. That all of the violence done in the name is Islam, is in fact not Islamic. That there is no difference between the violent phrases in the Bible and Koran. That Sharia is in fact a wonderful legal tradition. We can see. We're not stupid.

Moving on...

Germany may well have had a Christian tradition, but is not (nor ever was) to be considered a Christian nation. Consider that they also had a strong Jewish tradition, does this make them a Jewish nation under Nazism? Consider as well that many of those persecuted under Nazi Germany belonged to minority Christian groups.

Since you feel so strongly for the Jewish people, what should Germany do to make it up to you?

The European Union can attempt to outlaw people thinking and espressing their thoughts as much as it likes. But it can't stop the truth from revealing itself -- much as Islam does with every action it takes, every pompous commentary it makes, every violent act of hatred it demonstrates. And surely by now fellow JWers, you've come to understand that it is a waste of time attempting rational debate with a Muslim. They come from an irrational defensive position where they're always right and everyone else is always wrong. The spirit of lies permeates their discourse and the God of Truth is sadly not with them. Leave AM alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cgVRwITAfY

Just my personal observation tonight - it appears to me that Abdullah's chief goal is to derail honest comments or debate of the subject at hand and effectively take over the comments section thus making it ineffective. An excellent example of what I would call "Comment Jihad".

To explain my reasoning, Abdullah seems careful about cherry picking only those comments he thinks he can answer without having to justify mohammed's life and works. He appears quite adept at mocking some fellow commenters that approach the truth of the matter, relying on hubris, mischaracterization or just plain denial of the facts - or, he'll suavely compliment and show deep "respect" for other commenters he finds more docile and compliant. A thorough manipulation job in my estimation.

This site is called Jihad Watch. It's not called Suicide Bomber Jew Watch or Fundamentalist Christian Murder Watch. Abdullah is free in America to be productive and creative, to put his own nose to the grindstone as one might say, to create such a site if he wishes. Go for it Abdullah !!!

Sadly, I fear if Abdullah explains on his new website what he really feels about mohammed (the "perfect" example), and his true opinion on the violent parts of the quran and hadith, he might very well be flagged on a terror watch list. Who knows - maybe that's already the case - maybe that's why his 75 year old grandmother was "harassed" - maybe it's because she was in the company of Abdullah.

Abdullah Mikail wrote, replying to Mrs. J:

Jesus and Mohammad are very distant cousins, and they both are Prophets…Mohammad has passed away, and Jesus has not.

Jesus will return and complete his ministry…let us hope that we both live to see it. What a wondrous time that will be.

Until then, yours is yours, and mine is mine.
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This seems quite polite, but it is anything but. Jesus--"Isa" to Abdullah Mikail--is supposed by Muslims to return in the last days to "kill the pigs and break the cross"--in other words, to end the small space under Shari'ah where Christians can practice their faith.

After that, Christians have two choices: convert to Islam, or face death. The role of "Jesus" in Islam is to *kill Christians*.

The seemingly lovely, "until then, yours is yours, and mine is mine"--not so lovely afterward.

Mrs. J, in hoping you both live to see "Jesus" "return and complete his ministry", he is awaiting your brutal death--at the hands of your Savior.

This missive is essentially a death threat.

Free Speech Death Watch Alert: "Objections to Muslim and Homosexual Practices to be Unlawful in Europe"
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This is appalling enough as an assault on free speech--but does anyone here believe that it would be enforced impartially across the board?

Here's what Muslim hate-preacher Anjem Choudary said in Britain this last March, about gay people:

"All homosexuals should be stoned to death".

A clear call for violence of the most horrific kind. Would Choudary and his vicious ilk be prosecuted under such a law? I doubt it. Geert Wilders has already pointed out the inconsistent enforcement of such laws in Europe.

Wilders himself was banned for some time from Britain for "hate speech" for criticizing Islam--and yet, those openly howling for his blood did so freely.

Expect more of the same if this EU law passes.

Not only that, gravenimage, Isa according to perhaps most accounts of Islamic apocalyptic is going to be the Last Caliph of a global Caliphate! After he does his job of defeating Jews and Christians in a global war, there will be world peace for a while, he will retire, and then die a peaceful life. After that, I think there will be another time of troubles before the final end (in this respect, as in a few others (including the appropriation of the "Gog and Magog" symbolisms), Islamic apocalyptic lifted the blueprint of the later Jewish and Christian apocalyptic).

Perhpas you should first attempt to prove Germany was not a Christian nation?

And then, in failing that, you could discuss how this fact, that they were a Christian nation, did not prevent them from committing 6,000,000 murders all based on racial / religious prejudice.

Peace
Abdullah

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NO fake "peace" to you, SLAVE of Ba'allah! After all, I am a PROUD inhabitant of dar al harb and I intend to REMAIN as such!!

WAS Germany a Christian Nation by the time Hitler had it just where he wanted it?

WAS IT REALLY?!

Or did he perhaps make a deal with the same devil that your "profet" made his deal with?!

How is it that he admired pigslam so much?! And why did he allow the mufti of Jerusalem to draft the Holocaust for him, eh ABD Ba'allah???!!!!

ANSWER THAT ONE, you bearded, no deodorant, high-water vermin!!

HOW COME MEIN KAMPF is Second ONLY to the KKKORAG in sales AL OVER the middle east??!!

TELL ME WHY, slave of Ba'al!!!

The Holocaust is NOT - EMPHATICALLY NOT - a consequence of Chrisitna Doctrine.

AU CONTRAIRE in FACT, and you KNOW it!!

Isn't it YOUR co"religionists" who proudly - I would say shamelessly - announce that "Europe the REAL Holocaust is on its way"?

What say YOU, Slave of Ba'allah??!!

WHAT SAY YOU..??!!!!

Oh I **know** you won't answer, PUNK of Ba'allah!!

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DOOOO TELL!!!!

Enquiring minds, slave!

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"All homosexuals should be stoned to death".

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I am not a homosexual, but I dream of the day that homosexuals took stones in their fists and smashed these deviants against humanity like clamchowdery!!

In fact if they did, I know I would be very glad to join them!

How DARE this musulmaniac interloper talk like this about British European Citizens?!

How DARE he!!

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What is wrong with the EU.

The commission is the only institution that can propose legislation unlike the (rubber-stamp) Parliament.
This is totally unlike the Westminster Parliament with it’s Private Members Bill.

The commission is not directly accountable to any electorate.

The EU is essentially a complete inversion of democracy as we know it in Britain.
Both the British Parliament and the EU have most of the powers invested in a two chamber system but the roles are actually reversed.

In Britain, the chamber which can propose legislation is directly accountable to the British Public who elect them to that chamber. This is the House of Commons.

The House of Lords cannot propose legislation but can simply pass or delay legislation. It is not directly elected by the British People. New members of the chamber can be created by the government of the day. There are no checks or safeguards to monitor who or why new members are created. New members are often created out of cronyism or simply as a sort of retirement for a politician whose career is coming to an end. Thankfully it has no real power.

In Europe the roles are essentially reversed.
The chamber that is directly elected by the people of Europe, the European Parliament, has no real power. It can approve or reject legislation but cannot initiate it.

The chamber that can propose legislation is the Commission. The members of the Commission are not directly elected by the people of Europe. They are nominated by their respective governments of the day. On what criteria? Well, often…. cronyism or simply as a sort of retirement for a politician whose career is coming to an end!

See what I mean? The principles of accountability in the Westminster Parliament are completely reversed at the European level.
Our government should not be surrendering any more powers to this fledgling totalitarian state.
It should never have signed the Treaty of Lisbon.

There is some evidence that at last the exclusive right to legislate will be removed from the Commission under the treaty.
There will be some power transmitted to the MEPs and the National Parliaments.

For 13 years in row, independent auditors have refused to sign off the EU accounts. They are convinced that money is unaccounted for, disappearing into slush funds and personal bank accounts. In one year, £130 million went missing from the EU accounts.

Do you know that the term “European Economic Community” was first used by Herman Goering?

The single European Act paved way for a single European Foreign Policy. Tony Blair took Britain to war with Iraq on the grounds that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction. We know this is partly true because the French sold him a nuclear reactor. It is also true that France and Germany opposed removing Saddam Hussein from power. At the time of the ERM there was much talk of economic convergence before economic union could take place. Why is there no discussion of an impossible convergence of foreign policy before political union takes place?

Tony Blair and then Gordon Brown claimed they had negotiated Four red lines where Britain could opt-out of the Lisbon treaty.
Justice and Home Affairs
Foreign Policy and Defence
Charter of Fundamental Rights
Social Security

Legal experts think that the “cast-iron” guarantees to ensure Britain’s opt-outs are, in fact, no such thing, and that Britain will be eventually forced to come into line with other European countries.

“We believe that the red lines will not be sustainable. Looking at the legalities and use of the European Court of Justice, we believe they will be challenged bit by bit and eventually the UK will be in a position where all of the treaty will eventually apply to the UK. If they can’t get these things firmed up, eventually they will leak like a sieve.”

- Labour Chairman Michael Connarty MP, Commons European scrutiny Committee.

It is also said that the red line on foreign policy and defence is not legally binding.

By any definition, majority voting on important EU decisions massively dilutes a country’s sovereignty.
At the same time, it would be absurd for major decision taken by France to be vetoed by, say, Luxemburg.
The European Council and Qualified Majority Voting
There is no doubt that Majority Voting will be extended to more and more areas

The Lisbon Treaty, as I understand, extends QMV it to 11 areas.

The union is supposed to make convergence of legal systems a reality. This is probably an impossibility for several reasons.
Firstly, the legal systems are quite different. Take the British Legal System compared with a typical continental system such as the French.
The British Constitution ensures Habus Corpus and trial by Jury.
The French system is based around Corpus Jurus, originated by Roman Emperor Junstinian in the 6th Century Byzantium Empire.

Is the European Court the ultimate court of appeal or can it only rule on specifically European Law?
According to the treaty of Ascension, where national laws disagree with EU Laws, then EU Laws take precedence. i.e. laws created by an unelected commission overrule laws created by democratically elected sovereign democracies.
This surely makes our new, much vaunted Supreme Court quite irrelevant.

And both legal systems, at the moment, behave quite absurdly. In the case of Roman Polanski’s arrest, French politicians defend him, despite the fact that the age of consent in France is 15. His rape of a 13 year old in the US should have meant the French should have extradited him, but refused to do so. Absurdly he will not travel to Britain for fear of extradition but was allowed to give evidence to a British Court by video link to bring libel action against a journalist who accused him of groping! Do you really want convergence of two absurdities!

It is argued that Treaty of Lisbon actually reduces number of Commissioners to 15. By a strange coincidence, this is the same number of Commissioners who ruled the Soviet Union again with a rubber stamp Parliament.

“public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals that we dare not present to them directly…. All the earlier proposals in the new text will be hidden or disguised in some way. “

- Former French President and author of the EU Constitution Valery Giscard d’Estaing

All these videos are worth watching especially for British Jihadwatchers worried about the power of the EU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfabC5YiaTA&feature=PlayList&p=8D4431B4D1BB023B&index=6&playnext=7&playnext_from=PL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCUF5t1kRlI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A02zjkKpF8&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb37ZLfLtTA&feature=related

Mohammed was the ventriloquist, Allah was the dummy.
--- Hesperado.

Beautiful.

OT:

AM,

Do you agree with Muhammed that women are deficient in religion and in intelligence?

Tactics in the armory of Abdullah Mikhail (AM):

After Tactic #355 (simply ignoring a question 4 times posed at different times), and Tactic #356 (stalling for time) didn't work, AM now pulls out Tactic #357 -- dumping a gigantic viscously indigestible mountain of Wikipedia paste into his interlocutor's lap, a mountain of goo riddled with sticky complexity and a thousand sub-points guaranteed to enable AM to buy more time.

At this point, Foolster in my estimation only two options:

1) ignore AM

2) keep his eye on the ball and carefully extricate from that mountain of paste only the specific threads and points directly relevant to his original question, and if he does re-engage AM, maintain that point and only that point. This becomes difficult because of the inherent complexity of the issue in question, but it can be done with economy.

I vote for #1. Just don't give the fool any response. It's a waste of time trying to reason with a muzlum and a cair agent to boot.

As it happens, a large portion of Muslims are indeed homosexuals. Women out of sheer necessity, since many Muslim men are quite deficient in matters sexual.
Men, on the other hand, out of inbred preference, are quite favorable to homosexuality.

Since this is a desert custom Arabs always promoted with much gusto, just like pedophilia, it persists even when they moved to towns and cities. Muhammad was a great and some say quite talented practitioner of pedophilia and, at times, of various forms of homosexuality. He allowed his male followers to have 4 wives at any given time as a cover up for their sexual preferences that both Judaism and Christianity prohibited.

As a matter of principle, the State should always stay out of the citizen's bedroom. It is not the function of government, not in a democratic state, to invade the privacy of the people, nor impose rules and regulations in areas of "intimacy". If the European Union has no other item on its agenda, maybe it is high the time it should disband and thus put an end to the absurd waste of resources it became famous for.

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The Abdultard has also failed to explain what part of Christendom made Germany perpetrate the Holocaust.

This cairbot is unable to cite chapter and verse.

WE, on the other hand, can point to SPECIFIC quotes from the KKKoranmpf and then to the detailed implementation of the satanic instructions given therein.

WE can also point to not only tractates written by their UNholy men but also to abundant video and audio material where they are quoting from their UNholy "book" in order to justify the most devious acts of violence and sexual perversion and to exhort their minions to perform them onto whatever hapless "infidels" they happen to target at the time.

The return of the Jews to the Holy Land as unbowed Masters of the Land has put them squarely into the crosshairs of these ultimate fascists and nothing will ever change that.

Not until the world has been de-islamified, similar to what was done in Germany after the war.

The trials should be held in Mecca, by the way. Judges to arrive via the apartheid Highway labeled "moslems only".

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Absolute Motard thinks that he sides with the "truth", of all things! ..boy, how absurd is that?

Under the directive, harassment - defined as conduct "with the purpose or effect of violating the dignity of a person and of creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment" - is deemed a form of discrimination.

There's enough in this EU directive to arrest half of the Moslem population of Europe. Hope they act on what they say, you know, walk the walk. Like all those rioting, assault and smash, car burning "youths"? But no, they'll harass little old ladies who complained at the market of those dirty "M....s" selling unsavory fly specked meats.

EU is sick.

"How does this boil down to "Hesperados list of childish tactic?"

Hesperado has AM's number, but DULLard doesn't see it. O, there are none so blind....

Still 'aawaitin' AM's thoughts on the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, you know the amendment which protects freedom of speech, which would include severe criticism of any religion, including Islam. What say you AM or will you continue to dodge this one?

"...you and Hesperado have thus far proven yourselves incapable of responding to the truth ( well, with other than smart ass comments...but that is expected.)"

Not true. I have seen the TRUTH about evil and ugly Islam, et al, and my response to this horrific mess has always been quite clear and direct: Go To Hell Islam & Company. Thanks, but NO thanks.

So I have in fact responded to the "truth" concerning ALL things Islamic -- including their position on Israel: Go Israel!

...and as far as smartass remarks go, well, a dumbass deserves nothing BUT smartass jabs. Actually, anyone devoted to someone as evil as Muhammad and to Islam's evil agenda deserves much worse ...so smartass comments pale in comparison.

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Hey, Abdultard! Lots of wars have ended with the losing side's population displaced.

YOU LOST ***FIVE*** - count them - F.I.V.E. TIMES, all of them you were the aggressors.

YOU GOT OFF EASY!!!!

In Germany there are a few old Silesian romantics who want to "return" to their "homeland" as well. Fortunately most Germans have moved on, cuz it just ain't gonna happen.

For whatever reason the U.nited N.azis are trying to foist an impossible solution on the AGGRIEVED party, namely Israel.

They got it all Bass Ackwards, if you'll forgive the expression.

Only loser moslems are so thick-skulled and whingy that they keep whining and whinging like the dogs they are and now they have found a receptive ear with all the leftards and America-haters in the world, but that don't mean it's right.

You wage a war of aggression and lose you gotta live with the consequences :-) Not that motards have learned anything.. planning to aggress against ever more countries.

One day the war will be full-fledged because you guys are pushing just a little too hard and the floodgates will OPEN and the leftards will be OUTVOTED and the west will finally GET SERIOUS with you guys.

The tyrqs will wonder why Greece extends all the way to Damascus and the "palestinians" will be looking for asylum in Central Asia or in egypt when that happens.

You ain't seen nothing yet!

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"...so we get to read another of her tantrums."

What a projective statement coming from a spoiled brat attention-suck.

...and Foolster never replied to AM's gobstopper post, so WTH is he talking about? He "got it", eh. Where? When? AM is delusional, and his reply to Foolster arrived with the usual Islamic slant ...peppered with lie upon lie. AM is a LIAR! ..yeah, like what else is new.

It is absurd, it is crazy, to bother so much with the semi-demented. Let him enjoy his new mental life as a Muslim. Islam offers a Complete Explanation of the Universe, a Total Regulation of Life. And it makes him, in his own eyes, someone unusual, someone special. This apparently fits him to a T.

The dog barks, the caravan moves on. Ignore him.

"but presenting the truth is needed to counter the lies."

Exactly!

Wow.

Look at all those insults to champ and wellington and other JW's from a member of the "religion of peace." lol

As Kemal Ataturk said:

“Islam is an absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, a rotting corpse which poisons our lives." Exactly.

And as Hugh said, "It is absurd, it is crazy, to bother so much with the semi-demented." i.e Ab Mik. But, I would classify him as Phylum Dementia. 100% Demented.

"And you call me semi-demented?" - Ab Mik in response to Hugh

No, you're completely demented. With a "warped mind." So warped, you "Squealer!" Squeal like a pig, Abdullah! Squeal, piggy! Porky! Lift your piggy skirts up, Abdullah!

As Kemal Ataturk, a Muslim, said:

“Islam is an absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, a rotting corpse which poisons our lives."

Exactly. So poisonous, like a Puff Adder. Even worse.

"Yeah, and all the while you and Robert run around with your skirts hiked squealing to high hell that "The sky if falling!" - Ab Mik to Hugh and RS

Lookit that total Misogynist, "abdullah," the Slave to a non-existent moon god. So pitiful and pathetic.

"Squeal on" Piggy Abdullard! (no insult to a pig, the animal).

How's that "squealing" going for you, Slave?

Memorize this:

“Islam is an absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, a rotting corpse which poisons our lives." - Kemal Ataturk

"Gold-digging"?

Magari.

Islam = the "Religion of the Warped Mind."

Example: Abdullah Mikail

Islam = the "Religion of Racists, Bigots, and Haters."

Example: Abdullah Mikail

Oh, apply those definitions to "CAIR," as well.

And, as always, here's what Kemal Ataturk, a Muslim, had to say about Islam and the Warlord:

“Islam is an absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, a rotting corpse which poisons our lives."

Oh Abdully - Check these out from your "Religion of Bigotry":

"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. (The Qur'an, 5:51)"

"The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.'" -- Mohamet, the false prophet Jew-Hater

When judgment day arrives, Allah will give every Muslim a Jew or Christian to kill, so that the Muslim will not enter into hell fire." -- Mohamet, the false prophet Jew/Christian Hater

Wow! Lookit that Bigotry! Lookit that Racism! Lookit that Hate!

So like the "Religion of the Warped Mind." So like...Warped Abdully.

"Folks, take note that Abdullah Mikhail looks to the day when sites like Jihad Watch can be shut down because the First Amendment will have become a neutered amendment and free speech will therefore no longer exist in America. Whatever AM may protest to the contrary, this is the rub of it all. AM stands squarely against free speech in America because he doesn't want his religion criticized in the least. In fact, he would want criticism of Islam to be made into a felonious offense. Disgusting but that's AM for you." - Wellington

Criticize Islam, people, criticize it just as any subject - any - can be criticized in a Free country.

Oh Abdully:

“Islam is an absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, a rotting corpse which poisons our lives." - Kemal Ataturk

Due to the hatred of "Infidels/Disbelievers" in the "Mein Qurampf," there shouldn't be any "American Muslims." They should stay in their own "Infidel/Disbeliever-Hating" countries.

Then we won't have to fear Islamic Terrorism:

"Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's." - Qur'an 8:40

"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. (The Qur'an, 5:51)"

Right. Stay in your own islamic countries. Why don't you? Because islam's made them too wretched, pitiable, and inferior? So, you come to destroy our advanced Western countries with your rotten, evil, idol-worshipping pathetic "Kill" belief system and baby-factory over-breeding? You who never could have invented the internet, and are now using it against us? The terrible irony.

"Does anyone recall his ever receiving support from other posters? I don't."

Nor I ...and he appears to be the only member to his lying Softer-Side of Islam Sect.

AM:
You are not someone to speak about me being tardy to answer.

All these points you quoted are about mostly about one thing: the wall (weapons poliferation later I address below) Perhaps you've forgotten but the neccisity of the wall was to PREVENT suicide bombers from gaza from murdering civilains. If there were no suicide bombers, Isreal wouldn't need the wall. It is a travesty that the UN calls that a violation. Isreal has every right to have the wall to protect itself. Isreal is right to not trust Gazians to return who mostly showed support for the racist genoicidal HAMAS who they voted in and have been shooting rockets at their civilians. However, there are Arabs living in Isreal, and they enjoy equal rights there.

Meanwhile the Gazians and their allies in Jordan contenue with Judenhaten:

"Isreal; will exist and will contenue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." - The Hamas Charter

"The Jews are a cancer which is lable to spread against at any time." - Hassan Nasrallah, Leader of Hezbollah

Please see this: http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/

Besides the wall, is there some other weay that they are "occupying" the land? Can't the people of Gaza get the necciery hopsital care and supplies from neighboring Arab countries? If not, why not?

Isreal's wall is to prevent suicide bombers, but what about the wall bordering gaza and Egypt? Wouldn't that be a violation? Could you please point out the UN resolution condemning this wall? If Isreal's wall is wrong, Why should egypt get a free pass to break laws?

Isreal isn't illegaly occupying any land. This claim is false. Isreal only occupyed any land in responce to the unprovoked agression by its Arab neighbors in 1967, 1973 and the terrorist attacks. When Isreal pulled out of Gaza in 2005, Gazans instantly attacked with rockets. Why wasn't there an outcry by Palastinains when Gaza was anaxed by Egypt and the west bank by Jordan?

You claimed Isreal isn't reconized as a Jewish state. It doesn't matter what you FEEL about how Isreal is acting. Isreal was reconized May 14th, 1948 by the UN resolution 181 as a Jewish state. Do you mean, Arab states refuse to reconize Isreal and so you don't reconize it as such? What about the civil rights abuses in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, etc. Why don't you condemn them as well?

As for nuclear poliferation, that is bad if it is true. But what about, Iran and Syria who are nations who support global terrorism? And Myanmar who has numerous cases of serious civil rights abuses? Shouldn't they be treated equaly by the UN? Do you think it would be dangerous for such nations to have the bomb?

Abdullah, Your a bit dense aren't you. Take your message to your coreligionists who are the ones who really misunderstanding the message. If you get them to understand it, then we have no reason to have to understand it. See how simple life can be?

If our misunderstanding is caused by your coreligionists, then your efforts are just wasted on the wrong audience.

Few here seem to have any respect for the UN. Why you offer up so much of their Gibberish is truly a wonder of the ages.

There are few UN resolutions that have had any Teeth unless the USA gave the Dentures.

Abdullah, Your a bit dense aren't you. Take your message to your coreligionists who are the ones who really misunderstanding the message. If you get them to understand it, then we have no reason to have to understand it. See how simple life can be?

If our misunderstanding is caused by your coreligionists, then your efforts are just wasted on the wrong audience.

Few here seem to have any respect for the UN. Why you offer up so much of their Gibberish is truly a wonder of the ages.

There are few UN resolutions that have had any Teeth unless the USA gave the Dentures.

In response to isntlam (great name), watch Abdullah Mikhail do a desperate "Contextual Tap-Dance" in his white Saudi robe:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/european-union-set-to-outlaw-objections-to-islamic-practices.html#comment-611694

To try to "contextualize" all the venomous violence and threats of violence and hatred in the Koran, he would be tap-dancing himself to exhaustion until the goats come home.

AM,

Thank you for responding to my question. Answering one question with three isn't really an answer, at all.

Muhammed was chiding the women of his community, for foul language and ingratitude to their husbands.

His excuses for his assertion that women are deficient are based on things over which a woman has no control, namely her legal position when giving testimony, and her menses. These are the things that supposedly make women "deficient".

Do you agree with Muhammed that women are deficient in religion and in intelligence?

"Peace
Abdullah"

AM's sign off is a complete perversion of the truth.

All here know Islam's prime directive to conquer the world for 'submission' to Allah, and impose the Islamic-slavery law of Sharia. All else is conversation. In Abdullah's case, it is conversation to confuse and obfuscate, his personal verbal jihad. Move along, nothing here.... except one who submitted to the prime deceiver.

Peace in Islam is the world's greatest lie. Let the lying dog bark in the darkness.

The "Muslim Mafia" vs. La Kosher Nostra–

Will the Real Threat to America Please Stand Up?

Mark Glenn
October 26, 2009

http://theuglytruth .wordpress. com/2009/ 10/26/%e2% 80%9cthe- muslim-mafia% e2%80%9c- vs-la-kosher- nostra-will- the-real- threat-to- america-please- stand-up/

…Then a new king came to power in Egypt…"Look," he said to his people, "the Israelites have become far too numerous for us. Come, we must deal shrewdly with them, for if war breaks out they will join with our enemies, fight against us and then leave the country."

–Book of Exodus

"Understand this–that Terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with…it can't be reasoned with…It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and it absolutely will not stop, EVER, until you are dead…"

–"Reese" speaking to "Sarah Conner" in "The Terminator"

Gosh, more espionage against America by dangerous, fanatical Middle Easterners driven by a backwards, violent, intolerant ideology advocating a global, theocratic dictatorship. Something's GOT to be done about this before it gets out of hand…

No, it's not what you think. It's not connected in the least with the recent "Muslim Mafia" (cue the theme from "The Godfather") thing described in the recently-released book of the same title written by one David Gaubatz (gee, I wonder where he spends his Saturday evenings with a name like that?). Nor does this recent espionage involve Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, CAIR, or any of the other "Islamo-Fascist" groups Gaubatz alleges are part of this giant, insidious spy ring trying to penetrate congressional offices with interns in order to "Islamize" the land of the free and home of the brave.

This time (yet again) it's that "other" group of Middle Easterners so much in the news these days for all the mayhem they are causing, meaning the Jews…And not something as "small potatoes" as penetrating Congressional offices (something they accomplished decades ago already) with interns trained in the `by way of deception thou shalt do war" business so much a part of Jewish spycraft.

Rather, it is the "real deal"–meaning the kind of life-and-death espionage that poses an existential threat to every man, woman and child in America and involving the highest stakes possible, meaning (a) the theft and transfer of nuclear weapons technology and design (b) the means of delivering these weapons and (c) the ability of the United States to protect itself against nuclear attack from other powers.

One would think in the aftermath of all the stink recently conjured up by Israel's various whores in the US media concerning the thesis put forth in "Muslim Mafia" (cue Godfather music again) that news involving one of America's top scientists with the highest possible security clearances being caught red-handed offering to sell this kind of highly-classified technology to ANY country in the world (much less a country in the Middle East) would raise a few eyebrows.

And certainly this WOULD have been the case had he offered to do so for any nation used as a hideout for the Muslim Mafia (Godfather music). Moreso, you could expect that the very people who worked themselves (and others) into a panic-stricken froth over the existence of this aforementioned "Muslim Mafia" ("Do-do-do-do- do, do-do-do-do, dee-dee dum…")–meaning wannabe-war- criminals such as Joseph "Judas" Farah, Daniel "Rosenberg" Pipes et al might take an interest in such developments, being the patriotic, red-blooded American types they portray themselves being.

Alas however, not so much as an impromptu burp of discussion from the PR firm of "Israel, Israel and Israel" and for easily discernable reasons–the spy/traitor in question was involved in the "right" kind of espionage– meaning for the Jewish state–and was the "right" kind of spy–meaning Jewish.

Israel spying on America? Clearly this is not possible, as we have been told on occasions too numerous to count time and again from all the usual muckety-mucks who maintain (with the same kind of dogmatic insistence as Bernie Madoff did concerning his investment firm's legitimacy) that the Jewish state "does not spy on the US" and of course (being the very fruit of God's loins) this means they would never lie, despite the fact–again–it is the motto of the very agency for which they work–Mossad–that "By way of deception thou shalt do war."Of course, in order to weave the silk purse (known as the Israeli-American "special relationship" ) out of the sow's ear of documented instance after instance after instance of Jewish interests betraying America time and again by we must conveniently put aside certain uncomfortable truths, a short list of which includes–

(a) Jonathon Pollard, who stole and then sold to Israel close to a million documents classified "SCI," the highest classification that exists and whose treason resulted in the deaths of close to 1,500 American intelligence assets/agents–

(b) Ben Ami Kadesh, recently convicted of passing along still more nuclear-weapons related information to the Jewish state–

(c) The infamous 3 Amigos of "Let's Get America To Send Her Sons off to Fight Israel's Wars For Her" fame, meaning Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and others investigated multiple times for their roles as Israeli spies–

(d) The Jewish Institute For National Security Affairs, also investigated numerous times for its role as an adjunct to Israel's Mossad–

(e) AIPAC (twice raided by the FBI for suspicion of espionage) as well as her top two officers Keith Weissman and Steve Rosen being charged with espionage on behalf of Israel–

(f) The hundreds of Israeli spies arrested on or immediately after 9/11, some of them caught in circumstances as incriminating as filming the destruction of the towers that day while cheering and who later revealed candidly on Israeli TV that they had been sent to "document" the event–

And then of course, the latest in a long and growing list of those spying on behalf of the same country that "does not spy on America"–Stewart David Nozzette.

Nozzette's case, while in many ways emblematic of many things involving the seemingly measurable proclivity on the part of Jewish interests towards selling America (and anyone else) down the river for 30 pieces of silver, is at the same time revealing in other ways as well.

Nozzette was certainly not an impoverished man. With his credentials and the kinds of posts he held he certainly was well into a 6-figure salary. Governments–includin g Uncle Sam–understand that the best way to keep employees loyal to the company is to remove any need for "moonlighting" , and the fact the FBI overseeing the undercover operation paid him relatively small amounts indicates he was doing it not as much for money as for "a higher cause". Clearly, by the statements he made found in the criminal complaint and attached affidavit (including the fact his parents were both Jewish and that if nabbed he would take advantage of his "right of return" as a Jew and seek asylum in "home sweet home", meaning Israel) he was a "true believer in the Jewish cause.

Furthermore, the entire demeanor he seemed to display during the face-to-face get togethers with the undercover FBI agent carried an air of "Wink, wink", you know you can count on me to sell out the country that has given me life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness all my life. After all, I'm Jewish, and this is what Jews are called upon to do in proving their loyalty."Naturally, Jewish interests are doing what they always do when caught doing something naughty–do a little cosmetic surgery and turn the accused into the accuser. Rather then taking their licks like men and fess up to what everybody in-the-know already knows, instead it has to be all about–surprise, surprise, "everybody pickin' on da po' lil' Jews." Indicted spy for Israel Steve Rosen accused the US Justice Department and the CIA of being "paranoid" when it comes to Israel…Blowhard par excellence Abe Foxman of the ADL finds it "troubling" that so many spies being nabbed in the US these days are Jewish, as if the real reason for all of this is that the same US sending $30 million a day to Israel is "anti-Semitic" rather than the fact that the lion's share of spies operating in the US are Jews.

Given their microscopic percentage in terms of demographics, the fact that SO MANY of them are up to their eyeballs in the dirty business of espionage and betrayal raises certain troubling questions. Since (as we are told on a regular basis (whenever some spy for Israel gets caught) that spying is an "across the board" thing that "all countries" do to each other, that means that the cases involving Jews spaying n America should fit with the demographics, meaning only in about 2-3% of the cases.

Clearly this is not the case, as they account for over half, and what's more concerning is that the cases involving them are not the namby-pamby cases, but rather the big ones involving the life-and death secrets of America.

Some will say (with a fair amount of justification) this is something of an unavoidability on the part of Jewish interests and likened to a program in their collective hard drive where their "nation" comes first in any kind of political arrangement, irrespective of where they and their ancestors have lived for generations. Some argue (again, with justification) that by virtue of thousands of years of careful psychological manipulation they are in effect a people with a ROM hard drive like the Terminator or a nation of Manchurian Candidates who function along semi-normally until they get "the call" from headquarters telling them to execute a particular mission. Although certainly a notion well-known throughout history in Gentile nations who learned first hand about this tendency, this was also an idea authoritatively outlined by former Mossad officer Victor Ostrovsky in his books "By Way Of Deception" and its sequel "The Other Side Of Deception" where he paints a frightening picture of a real-life Jewish 5th column in virtually every country in the world (called "sayanim") who can be activated at a moment's notice if needed.

The other factor to consider in all of this of course is religion, something we are all encouraged to dissect when analyzing the "Muslim Mafia" (you know the routine by now) and the "dangers" of Islam. For the Jews, espionage and sabotage of "the other" is something of a sacrament–time- honored and part of the "family business" when it comes to La Kosher Nostra. After all, the Jews, as we are constantly told these days, are a people of tradition. They base and justify their entire existence as individuals and as a group on the deeds of their patriarchs of yesteryear.

Lying and treachery began with the story of Abraham selling his wife Sarah into prostitution to the King of Egypt, continued with Jacob conspiring with his mother to defraud his own brother of his rightful inheritance and then reached its apex with Joseph robbing the entire nation of Egypt of its wealth.

Keep in mind that these fraudsters and shysters are not demonized by today's Jews for their past criminal behavior, but rather IDOLIZED.

This being the case then, a new king takes power in Egypt, and understanding through historical experience the treacherous side of these people, decides they must be dealt with "shrewdly", knowing that if his country ever found itself at war they would side with Egypt's enemies for their own personal gain, despite the fact they already lived as kings of commerce and finance.

All of which begs the obvious question–should the US (or any other country, for that matter) allow a group of people loyal to another nation access to the kind of life-and-death information that–statistically speaking–stands a good chance of winding up in the hands of America's enemies, as did the documents stolen by Jonathon Pollard?

Or rather should the leaders of these countries "act shrewdly" with them, as did the King of Egypt upon ascending his throne? Certainly–in this the age of Muslim-bashing on the part of Jewish interests–no one would think twice about restricting highly-classified material to "jihadists", and this being the standard set, what's sauce for the goose must also be sauce for the gander and therefore should apply to the yahudists as well.

But perhaps the best argument in favor of such a program comes from Jewish spy Jonathon Pollard himself who–while being interrogated by the authorities for his role in selling some of the most life-and-death secrets America possessed at that time to Israel that were then sold to the Soviet Union, America's sworn enemy stated–

"The US shouldn't give high clearances to Jews, because when asked to help, we're willing to do anything for the love of our country, Israel."

Courtesy of Mark Glenn, (...thanks)

Peace
Abdullah

Ladies and gentlemen

I think I have the answer to a question I posed some time ago: did the Mohammedan dementor 'abdullah mikail' hate Jews before, or after, his recruitment by the Ummah, or Muslim Mob? That is: did he join the Ummah all the better to hate Jews (whom he hated already), or did he 'catch' his hatred for Jews, from his fellow Muslims, after he joined up?

I think I incline toward the first scenario.

Abdullah Mikail appears to be of the same ilk as Goebbels' pet academic, the Jew-hating Orientalist Johann von Leers, who after World War II escaped to the Ummah and converted to Islam, because he so admired the horribleness and thoroughness with which the Muslims had crushed their dhimmi Jewish populations.

The sheer screaming insanity which is expressed by the author of the article AM has just re-posted in his 'comment' above, and which therefore is presumably shared and approved of by AM, is enough to make one 's hair stand on end.

And in the meantime, I suppose, we are to pretend that the machinations of the Ikhwan (memorably exposed by John Roy Carlson in 1951) and of Fethullah Gulen, and Tablighi Jamaat, and Hizb ut Tahrir, and of the massively-funded OIC, and of the abominable House of Saud, and all the rest of them are entirely trivial and should be blithely ignored?

Whoever this 'Mark Glenn' character is (and a quick google trawl reveals him to be a thoroughly unscholarly and also thoroughly unsavoury person who keeps some very nasty jihadist company) he is busy straining out a Jewish gnat whilst swallowing, without even a blink, a whole caravan of Muslim camels one after another.

By quoting 'Mark Glenn', 'abdullah mikail' has completely destroyed any claim he might have to be taken seriously by anybody.

I suggest that all posters to this site, from this day forward, should refuse to address AM directly. Whatever he says should be discussed - if discussed at all - in the third person.