"Online reports of a study by the US Central Intelligence Agency cast doubt over the survival of Israel beyond the next two decades. Regardless of the validity of the report, with what is now known about the costs in blood and treasure that the U.S.-Israeli relationship has imposed on the U.S., its key ally, Israel could fall within five years." - from a broadcast at Al-Arabiya here
The "costs in blood and treasure" of paying directly for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, in order to "win [unwinnable Muslim] hearts and minds," by all sorts of reconstruction, and to keep these countries together despite their ever-present internecine hostilities. They also include paying for all sorts of Muslim regimes in order that their populations might be protected from the Lords of Misrule, and the economic and political and social failures of their societies [directly attributable to Islam itself], to such countries as Egypt and Jordan and even to the "Palestinian" "Authority" that would not exist for one minute without foreign, Infidel aid that keeps pouring in. And if on top of that one adds the twelve trillion dollars that has gone to the Muslim members of OPEC (11 of the 12 members, if one counts Muslim-dominated Nigeria, where the oil revenues never reach the Christian south), a number that would be lower had the Saudi lobby not throttled all attempts at taxes on oil and gasoline and other measures that could long ago have diminished OPEC oil revenues.
Had we in our calculations noted the tens of billions of dollars we now spend (and our allies in NATO hundreds of billions) to monitor, for obvious security reasons, the Muslims in our midst, and had we compared all that cost of dealing with, most ineffectively, the Jihad (the struggle by Muslims to remove all obstacles to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam)? Now compare those trillions spent, in the case of the aid and the military interventions quite unnecessarily and ineffectively, because we are no better off with those expenditures, and have won no hearts and no minds (and never could) -- compare what we get for giving Israel a few pitiful billion a year, and what we receive for that.
Israel is, with or without aid, a firm ally of the West, because it is part of the West, and will always be on the side of the West. Israel will always work to fight the Jihad, because Israel itself is the victim of a permanent Jihad. Stop for one minute American aid to the Sunnis of Anbar, or to Iraq itself, or to Pakistan, and see how the former recipients of such aid, who always whined for more, turn on us. See how even with the receipt of such aid, the recipients of it in Egypt, Jordan, and the "Palestinian" "Authority" are full of anti-American venom and ingratitude -- for the aid is to them merely Jizyah. It is their right, it is their due. See how that "staunch ally" Saudi Arabia has worked to use its wealth to undercut the Infidels everywhere, in West Africa and East Africa (where the money goes farthest, and apparently unknown to the State Department but not to the terrified black African Christians, Islam is on the march -- see Togo, see Nigeria, see Niger), in Asia and Europe and North America, paying for mosques and madrasas, campaigns of Da'wa, and Islamic propaganda, some of it aided by Western hirelings in universities, the press, business, and of course the centers of political power.
Think of what Israel has done for the military security of the
Western world, merely by working for its own security. What country
destroyed the ambitions of that wretched Soviet ally Nasser and upended
him forever, caused his disappearance and with him, Nasserism? What
country -- despite the predictable and predicted condemnation (not
least from the administration of George H. W. Bush and James Baker) --
destroyed Saddam Hussein's nuclear reactor, and in so doing, derailed
for 21 years his nuclear ambitions, which is to say until he himself
was removed, so that those ambitions were never realized? What country
recently destroyed the nuclear installation in Syria that Iran and the
North Koreans had built? Whose pressure now is really the cause of
whatever measures at this point the so-far dilatory and delaying
Americans and others may take against Iran? And what country, do you
suppose, will in the end deal most effectively with the chiliastic
madmen of the Islamic Republic of Iran? What country today supplies all
kinds of technological advances that are then taken advantage of by the
United States? [See drones.] What country is best able to penetrate,
and to make sense of, intelligence derived from the Muslim Arab states
and from Iran?
And there is one more thing. Given all that has happened, the Western
world could not survive, or rather Western morale -- among all those
who think and feel -- could not survive a second destruction of Israel.
Israel represents the Jews and the Jewish contribution to Western
civilisation. Its survival is part of what makes the West able to
survive, and its disappearance, or its pitiful existence as a rump
state dependent on the Muslim Arabs being willing not to come in to
deliver a final death blow, would itself deal a blow to the West, to
the idea of the West, from which that West would not recover. And the
demoralization of the West from such a dimidiated Israel, unable to
fend for itself, constantly under threat of easy annihilation, or in
fact so annihilated, would at the same time feed Muslim triumphalism
and lead to more and more Muslim demands and aggression all over the
Western -- all over the entire -- world.
That few, as yet, understand this, because most, as yet, remain so remarkably ignorant, does not mean that what has been written here is not completely, perfectly, terribly true.
Our current crop of political leaders, both republican and democrats, labor and conservative, do not have seem to have anyone with the vision or historical perspective to recognize the strategic importance that is Israel. They do not recognize it because they have been persuaded, without thinking about it too much, that Islam is indeed the "religion of peace" that those taquiyya practitioners continually tell them. It's all a big misunderstanding, don't you see? All those murders, those explosions, all that destruction of infrastructure; all that is by people who are hijacking the religion. What? You mean they are quoting the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira to justify their actions? Well, they are just misinterpreting those verses.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain and go back to sleep. Sweet dreams!
"...Given all that has happened, the Western world could not survive, or rather Western morale -- among all those who think and feel -- could not survive a second destruction of Israel. Israel represents the Jews and the Jewish contribution to Western civilisation."
This whole subject is rather well covered in several tomes by an author, Prof Eugene Narret.
There are several books that are prescient, regarding the 'piece' process, the World security state concept, and ultimately, the self-destruction of the west.
His works on this are well worth a look and consideration.
His latest is available from author house as a hardcover, softcover, and a downloadable $6 pdf file, Click here for details on "Culture of Terror: The Collapse of America"
Culture of Terror: The Collapse of America. You can find his work available at authorhouse.com.
His several other books on this issue and the destruction of Israel, and jewery as symptomatic of the self destruction of it's own judeo-christian root, and civilization are well thought out and well reviewed and his predictions in the political events of the last 15 yrs regarding this whole bogus peace process have been sadly accurate.
Mark
George Gilder on Israel and world prosperity:
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Test-George-Gilder/dp/0980076358
Many thanks for this article, Hugh. I just wish it wasn't true. My heart bleeds for Israel. Unfortunately, too many people don't seem to care and won't until it is way too late to do anything about it. How is it that I, with only a high school education(from the 1950's), can see and understand the ramifications of all this, but so many others cannot? No one I know seems to be the slightest bit concerned about this situation which is why I am so thankful for this site and others like it.
A good essay Hugh, but no mention of the demographic element? The huge influx of Russian Jews over the last 2 decades has helped Israel retain its Jewish character, but this was the last great reservoir of Jews in the world that could be tapped for such a mission.
What happens when Jews become a minority inside Israel proper, sometime later this century? The Arab and Bedouin birth-rate (and rising non-Jewish immigration) will insure such an outcome.
Yes, this is a longer-term problem than than the immediate one of international pressure on Israel to withdraw to indefensible borders, but unlike the "peace" issue which can at least be contested, demographic trends are mostly immune to policy decisions.
I haven't found one reliable source yet that indicates that this report actually exists. The links I found indicate the first mention of this report was from a pro-Palestinian independent journlist named Franklin Lamb. Here's what the Angry Arab says about him:
Hizbullah media love Franklin Lamb. I don't know him and he may be a nice guy but he is clueless. Just because he is opposed to Israel and US war does not mean that he is reliable. And his conspiratorial scenarios never materialize.
Mr. Fitzgerald seems awfully confused about all of this. Israel is the product of Zionist Jewish supremacism. Plain and simple. Nobody, not even Mr. Fitzgerald, can refute that. No form of such ethnocentric supremacism can ever be considered to be a foundational cornerstone of the West.
Israel disappearing would have no negative impact on the so-called West as it exists now. It might even be a mild net positive, depending upon the specifics.
The Fitzgeraldite absurdities abound. Israel represents Jews and their contributions? Nonsense. Those contributions existed long before and apart from modern Israel. Though one is left wondering what an atheist thinks are the Jews' valuable contributions, since it's really the early stages of supernatural monotheistic revelation that constitutes the true one.
The West is in dire straights, not because of anything to do with Israel, with any threats to Jewish supremacism, or with most anything Islamic. It is a civilizational crisis brought on by the abandonment of Catholic truth and the intrinsic staple of the Social Reign of Christ being professed and defended by civil authority, as the Church has always taught.
One is left wondering, though, how Islamobashers, unabashed atheists, and Christians who insist on worshipping before the idols of religious indifferentism and so-called 'separation of Church and State' have anything of value to offer in our need to restore Christ in All Things.
Hugh - do you have any links on the Saudi lobbying against oil taxes?? Thanks.
Hugh is confused...?
From post above...civilizational crisis brought on by the abandonment of Catholic truth...
Now 'that's confused...
There it sits completely surrounded; tiny little Israel so small among the huge Arab Muslim countries that you have to look closely at the map to see it. Yet this tiny little sliver of a country of not much more than 7.5 million occupants of which nearly 17 Pct. are Muslims and 76pct of the population is Jewish with 68 Pct of the Jews actually born in Israel are trying to survive as a reflection of American Christian/Judao principles. And yet the surrounding countries have been aggressively trying to destroy it for over 60 years.
Our Government has always sought to bring the same democratic values to the surrounding countries but with really no tangible results, as Hugh points out we have spent billions upon billions,not to mention the thousands of lives lost and we have gained almost nothing from it.
The Muslim ideology is different and it is unchangible for all time as prescribed by the Quran and the devotees to it. Still our dhimmi leaders continue down this path of almost unbelievable ignorance in regards to this locked in stone ideology. You watch our MSM either print or cable news etc., they bring us stories of what is occurring in those Muslim Countries but never, never address the root causes of their ideological behavior towards Western values.
Think about this, here we sought to bring our unwanted values to these Islamic Countries and yet now we have a President whose attitude reflects negatively on an ally who already has our value system in place without a war, without a reflection of hate as found in Muslim countries and yet his actions demonstrate that he is almost prepared to throw our countries little ally under the bus,(where have we heard that before?)
No, duh_swami, I'd say you are the one who is confused. Catholicism is the font and foundation of Western truth and values, and Western Civilization is inextricably bound up in the Catholic Church. The West will rise and fall in accordance with the strength, respect, weight and authority of the Catholic Church. The acids of the Reformation and so-called Enlightenment, as well as the Church's excessive meakness in the wake of the Second Vatican Council, have given us the sorry state we have today.
Sorry, but stuffing one's mouth with chips and beer on autumn Sunday afternoons while watching men in tights do erotic dances in the endzone is not a revitalization of Western Civilization. Only Catholicism can do that.
From the poster above:
"Sorry, but stuffing one's mouth with chips and beer on autumn Sunday afternoons while watching men in tights do erotic dances in the endzone is not a revitalization of Western Civilization. Only Catholicism can do that."
Funny I never thought of it that way, particularly since I played the game for over 8 years.
But I suppose if you are a women, or gay you might think about it in that way.
Mackie,
To the extent that football players act like men in tights and do erotic dances in the endzone, that is objective fact and truth. The sex or sexual proclivities of the viewer are irrelevant to the matter.
Which raises an interesting point regarding restoration of the Sacred and the West. There is such a thing as objective truth. The way one chooses to think or view objective verities of fact is simply not relevant.
Again Mr. fairuzfan it is how one looks at things in life, I don't subscribe to your so-called objective truth facts and what is relevant to you and how they play out in your antisemetic mind among many other things you said in your posts above.
They are indeed, and in fact your thoughts alone and you can't subscribe them as fact to anyone elses thinking but your own.
"A good essay Hugh, but no mention of the demographic element? The huge influx of Russian Jews over the last 2 decades has helped Israel retain its Jewish character, but this was the last great reservoir of Jews in the world that could be tapped for such a mission.
What happens when Jews become a minority inside Israel proper, sometime later this century? The Arab and Bedouin birth-rate (and rising non-Jewish immigration) will insure such an outcome." -- from a poster above
This demographic problem is one that will, a bit later on, if nothing is done, be something the peoples of Western Europe will face. They can start by halting all further immigration by Muslims. They can make sure that the exploitation of generous Western benefits are no longer available for all the fiddling that has been allowed to go on. They can ban consanguineous marriage. They can find all kinds of ways to encourage growth in the indigenous population and to discourage growth of the Muslim population. They can interdict funds from abroad that are meant to support mosques and madrasas and Da'wa campaigns. They can encourage counter-Da'wa campaigns, intended to demoralize those who believe in Islam, by noting all the ways in which Islam explains the political, economic, social, intellectual, and moral failures of Muslim states and societies. They can make life not quite as absurdly pleasant, with every conceivable benefit (what would the Arabs of Israel do without all that Israel lavishes upon them, requiring none of the most imoprtant duties, such as military service, it asks of its Jewish citizens? what would they do without the modern Western medicine that they can take advantage of, often without any payment whatsoever?), and if the Arabs know that Israelis are not about to retreat or surrender any further land, some will, one suspects, leave.
The "demographic problem" is not one to be solved by a further surrender of land, but by using intelligence and imagination to make both Israel, and Western Europe, increasingly difficult places for Muslims, or in the case of Israel Muslim Arabs, to live in the way that those Muslims think they have a god-given right to live. They don't.
And that Benes Decree I have mentioned so often offers an example of a tolerant and advanced Western state, in extraordinary circumstances (the circumstances of World War II and its aftermath), dealing with the problem of the Sudeten Germans in a way that no one at the time, in Europe or North America, thought wrong, and almost no one does today save a handful of German Revanchistes. For more on this, put "Benes Decree" into the search box at JW. You can also click on this link: http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/18285
Old Proverb (which I have just made up):
Just because you have a headache doesn't mean you should cut off your head.
"I STAND TO THE DEATH FOR ISRAEL"
John Ste
Chief
Gulf Intelligence Unit (GIU)
"SCIO ORBIS TERRARUM"
"Israel is the product of Zionist Jewish supremacism."
-fairuzfan
That is dumbest, most shame-facedly ignorant statement I have read on this site in quite some time. But then again, fairuz is some combination of Jew-hater, liar, and religious weirdo/whacko.
It's such a piece of cake to blow this idiotic statement to smithoreens but a "conversation" with the idiotic ass-hat fairuzfan is so not worth it.
Can't say I disagree with any of it, Hugh. Mass expulsion (the 'Benes Decree' model) is the only point I feel even a bit squeamish about...(it has such a medieval connotation), but perhaps desperate times necessitate desperate solutions. Still, one wonders how Europe and Israel are ever going to arrive at the solutions you advocate when even now, the spigot of mass immigration remains open.
The first step behind which all the others will follow is a halt to immigration...and this remains the providence of the fringe. Like Europe, Israel is suffering from 'rich man's disease'; the cutting off of Palestinian labor for perfectly justifiable security reasons has created the necessity to import other workers from Africa and Asia to do jobs most Israelis are no longer willing to do. This further dilutes the Jewish character of the Jewish state.
I just don't see the demographic equation being soluble, political and economic realities being what they are...and if I'm right, the last hope would then be acculturation, something for which Muslims seem uniquely immune.
Demography is the Gordian knot that is killing the West, an insidious by-product of our success and affluence. History repeats itself...it's ancient Rome all over again.
Anyway, thanks for the elaboration.
fairuzfan : Catholicism is the font and foundation of Western truth and values, and Western Civilization is inextricably bound up in the Catholic Church. The West will rise and fall in accordance with the strength, respect, weight and authority of the Catholic Church. The acids of the Reformation and so-called Enlightenment, as well as the Church's excessive meakness in the wake of the Second Vatican Council, have given us the sorry state we have today.
OK, at least we can see why you're such an idiot.
Aside from retarding the intellectual growth of civilized Europe the catholic cult has been good for little other than covering up sex crimes committed by their perverted clergy.
You should be ashamed to be involved in such a morally bankrupt scam.
Fairuzfan,
When was the last time you read your Bible?
Because everything you say indicates that you know NOTHING of it.
Christian faith is based on the Bible and is not superceded by ANYTHING else.
If you really do believe in Jesus I suggest you repent of your beleif in a false doctrine. Read 1Tim 4:1
I suspect that you are not Christian at all but a troll.
If you serve Christ you are called to Love Jews & Israel.
You had better get that striaght.
I suggest you start with the book of Hebrews.
Clearly you are way out of line.
Since Muslims believe we (JEWS) control the world then how could we possibly disappear ? We need to be around to bitchslap Muslims into obsequiousness...at least according
to Muslims themselves.
Fairuzfan is an Islamic troll who is firmly on the side of Islamic terrorists and would love to see Israel disappear and Western civilization destroyed - the same civilization he leeches off like a bloodsucking vampire - and we are his potential victims. He probably celebrated the 9/11 atrocity, and he probably feels a warm glow inside every time a terrorist atrocity gets carried out against Israel and the West.
Viewing the world situation, it indeed seems that Israel is about to be closed in on and finished off by the Allah Akbars despite U.S. support, but there's one extra ingredient, their nukes, which I'm sure they would set off in Muslim capitals rather than surrender. But then, if the Alllah Akbars get nukes first, that's game set and match, isn't it, as they will have a mile-long waiting list of suicide bombers to use them on Israel and the U.S.
The destruction of Israel wouldn't be the end of the West, sorry, since there's more Jews living in the U.S. than in Israel, but it would be the end of the diehard segment of Jews holing up in Israel. You can call them Zionists diehard Jews, but not necessarily religious, as a lot of them are atheists, and many religious Jews were and are against the creation of any new state Israel until the Jewish Messiah comes, it was an opportunist move after the U.S. became the world cop and backed them up, underestimating the long term chances. Way back in the 1940s the Jews should have gotten the U.S. to give it a nice safe protected homeland in the U.S. on vacant federal land in Ariz. or N.M., a Jewish territory with its own borders, think of how much blood and treasure would have been saved, but the diehard segment wanted Palestine, and that's what they got. Even now they wouldn't accept evacuation to a new U.S. homeland, hence they will make their stand there to the death and there's nothing anybody can do about it. The U.S. will always back them, unless it's taken over by Muslims :) They are our only real friend in the Middle East, unless ditto :) So call it the primo site of future WW3, which we might survive to philosophize about. Either way, Islam and the rest of the world are like two scorpions in a shrinking bottle, and only one can survive. I hope it isn't Islam. They need a far-flung Protestant Reformation before we can even think of allowing them to share our planet, and I don't see any Luther running around yet, which would require a strong military backing in the Muslim world to protect him like the German princes did him .
http://go.to/islamhistory
To dms;
The reason that you can figure this out and so many of the college educated can't may well be that you weren't indoctrinated in liberalism (specially Third Worldism).
When I was a child I instinctively was for the Israelis. Then I went to college and was "informed" with the Palistinian view. It took many years and 911 to get my common sense back.
Thanks for being on the right side all along.
For faizur rahman's comments about the Catholic faith (as opposed to Christianity at large) being 'the font and foundation' of Western truth and values, one wonders what he thinks about England/Britain and Germany, both of which were and are largely Protestant, and as was the US until the end of the 20th century.
There are huge parts of the Christian world that are Western, but can't be described as Catholic at all - US, Britain and Commonwealth countries like Canada, Australia, South Africa, as well as other European countries that are totally Protestant like the Nordic countries, or at least 50% Protestant, such as Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland.