Heavily indoctrinated student thugs shout down Wilders at Temple University

Values of 2009: If you're not for Islam, then you're the problem.

Here is another column on same, people. Note that:

"A small number of protesters with placards reading "Shame on You Temple" and "Zionism is Terrorism" assembled outside Anderson Hall, where Wilders spoke.

"Zionism is Terrorism." Right, 'cause I'm just terrified of the Jews. Aren't you? (sarc on very heavily)

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/20091021_Controversial_Dutch_politician_Geert_Wilders_at_Temple.html#comments

Poor little indoctrinated liberal tards...I noticed that liberals call everyone racist when they don't have any specific argument. I think it's code for liberals to ignore said person or something; the word has been overused and it no longer carries any weight with me. It's simply meaningless and typically signals to me that I'm dealing with some half-wit. As for the fascist calling person; I guess he really didn't study to hard. He wouldn't know what fascism was if he was dropped in Germany in 1941. I got a chuckle out the visualization of pink pom-poms and just wondered what the reaction would be if they did their little dance in muslim country decrying the local muslim population....simply priceless how utterly clueless these college students really are. You know, with all speech, if you don't like it then you don't need to listen; if you don't like watching something, then don't. Freedom, love it or move to your favorite islamic hellhole where everyone tows the same line.

These kids want to really be brave. Go to a mosque and declare that Mohammed was a murdering pedophile and have a sign with a copy of the cartoon with a bomb on his head. And when they leave the hospital, they can talk about free speech and hate with a new perspective. And yes, I am assuming they would be lucky enough to end up leaving the hospital.

Remind me to look very closely at the CV of any student from Temple University who I might be tempted to hire, or provide a recommendation for, in the future. (I know, I know...that's unfair treatment of a possibly innocent student, but merely threatening to do, and letting it be known the reasons why, would be one way to signal that this kind of PC thuggery is not acceptable behavior, to use much beloved term from the lexicon of the PC brainwashed.)

OT, but for this blog, it fits to post it here:

Dennis O'Brien Survivor of Mumbai Terror Attack ACCEPTS ISLAM

NEW YORK - An American Catholic Christian and survivor of a terrorist attack in Mumbai, India last November overcame hatred and opened his mind to learn and discover Islam and..
Becomes A Muslim

Dennis O’Brien, a Catholic, wanted to comprehend the basis of faith of people accused of committing the attack in Mumbai. He discovered in fact, the gunmen were certainly not following Islam at all. In fact, anyone who might take the time to open their eyes, open their minds and open their hearts would have to come to the very same conclusion.

Sunday, just after Eid salat and standing before a crowd of thousands, Dennis O’Brien embraced Islam.
He declared..

..his belief - "There is only one God and the Prophet Muhammad is his last messenger".

O’Brien, who heads up the education committee of St Anthony’s Catholic Church in Wilmington, Delaware, says this was a surprise, even to him. But said he was at peace with it.

“Today I feel free of sin,” he remarked.

After several months of studies and asking questions of Muslim friends and associates, “I feel comfort in Islam,” he said.

O’Brien also said he wanted to express solidarity with Muslims, even though extremists who say they practice the faith “tried to kill me”.

Pastor John McGinley, of St Anthony’s, said Sunday he had not heard of O’Brien’s embrace of Islam. McGinley said he knew O’Brien is inquisitive and has expressed concern about the young men involved in the Mumbai attacks.

He would not say if the declaration of another faith would affect O’Brien’s position at the church, noting he had not spoken to him about Sunday’s events. “I think this is part of his journey of faith and we can work with that,” McGinley said.

END OF EXCERPT

"the Feminist Majority Leadership Alliance"

Ladies - please read the Qur'an. I would also recommend any of Wafa Sultan's books or Nonie Darwash's books. Especially read Ayaan Hirshi Ali's book "Infidel".

The proper position of Feminism is to denounce Islam. Very sorry, but Muslimahs also deserve women's rights.

I do not agree with the effort to ban the Koran or any other book for that matter. It is better for the public to become aware of its contents and to be free to openly engage in discourse on its benefits or hazards to the society without threat of violence to their person or property for doing so.

Leftists in Iran supported the Islamic revolution right up to the moment they were rounded up and executed. American 'progressives' (read: CPUSA) supported Hitler until the day he invaded Stalin. American progressives supported Stalin throughout his reign of terror and denied actual, or manufactured phony (The NYT still clings doggedly to Duranty's Pulitzer), news stories to hide the truth. American progressives still idealize mass murderers like Mao, Castro, and Che. Hugo Chavez, Ortega, and Zelaya are openly destroying democratic institutions while progressives in the United States cheer them on. American progressives don't like consensual government or fundamental liberties very much. But they are really adept and consistent when it comes to calling everyone else racists and fascists.

Schadenfreude which involves a new dark age and the utter obliteration of anything approaching liberal democracy isn't very satisfying, but that seems to be what I've got. I'd be happy to be proven wrong on that view.

"After several months of studies and asking questions of Muslim friends and associates, “I feel comfort in Islam,” he said"

Relying on muslims to tell the truth about islam? Well that was his first mistake right there.

a "big win for humanity" says the so-called college student.

A big win for the Orcs. They drove the evil Hobbit from their lair.

AbdullahMikhail:

What an interesting article. Perhaps you’d favor us with some clarifications

1)What periodical is this excerpt taken from? It’s important to provide one’s references so that their credibility can be judged, don’t you agree? For instance, in the second paragraph of the article, it is stated that “In fact, anyone who might take the time to open their eyes, open their minds and open their hearts would have to come to the very same conclusion.” Such a statement, without quotation marks or other indicators leads one to understand that this is the opinion of the reporter, in which case it clearly strays from editorial objectivity

2)In the third paragraph, “Mr. O’Brien” is said to stand in front of a crowd of thousands before he does the Sha-Na-Na. Please tell us where this crowd was. Wilmington?

3)“Mr. O’Brien” is said to head up the educational committee at St. Anthony’s While St. Anthony’s exists as does its pastor, Fr. McGinley, Mr. O’Brien’s name does not appear on the list of parish staff. While the absence of his name does not necessarily mean that Mr. O’Brien is not employed there, you can surely appreciate that the presence of his name would go further to lend credibility to this story. So once again: What is the source of this article?

4)Mr. O’Brien is said to have studied Islam for several months before converting. The men who he later concedes tried to kill him, were apparently life-long Moslems. Can you tell us why Mr. O’Brien “got things right” while the life-long Moslems did not? Can you tell us why the Moslem friends and associates who helped Mr. O’Brien to “get things right” don’t seem to reach their co-religionists?

5)Finally, Fr. McGinley is quoted to the effect that he could work with Mr. O’Brien’s conversion to Islam. Are you as surprised as I am –which is to say not at all-- that Fr. McGinley didn’t call for Mr. O’Brien’s execution as an apostate?

Many thanks.

"Members of All Sides, an organization that seeks to promote peace between Israel and Palestinians, held pink pom-poms and shouted, "Hey Hey, HO, HO, this racist bull----'s got to go.""

This was supposed to be the clear signal by the Philadelphia Daily News that these were the "good guys" fighting against the evil, racist Wilders. Why, even Muslims and Jews are united against Wilders -- that's what the reader is supposed to think. What an awful, slanted article. I've never heard of All Sides, but I doubt very much that they have good intentions towards Israel.

This is why the mainstream media is losing all credibility. They distort. They mislead. They have become the problem.

AbdullahMikail,

Moral to the story: mass murdering terrorism is a wonderful means of getting attention and your message across. Islam sure is grand. Islamic chutzpah is conducting da'wa based on the effectiveness of terrorism.

Though I was always secular in viewpoint, Islam has nearly convinced me of the actual existence of supernatural evil. Your consistent and dogged deceit gives me another nudge in that direction.

"I'm proud," said Jonas Skovdal. "I think it's a big win for humanity that people stood up to him in there."...

Actually, you stood down for humanity Jonas. A university experience should expand one's perspective, and not diminish it. You obviously do not understand the value of opposing points of view. It would probably have been better for your parents to have sent you to a trade school to learn a useful occupation.

Abdula Mik, reports above that one Dennis OBrian formerly a Catholic have embraced the Cult of Mohammet after surviving the Mumbai massacre.

The psychological dynamics involved in Dennis O'Brian's diving into the shithole of Islam is the same as the one involved in cases of girls who respond to the trauma of being sexually misused by becoming nymphomaniac or prostitutes.

One can not help speculating what caused AM to embrace islam. Was he sexually misused by a pack of mohammedans after being forced into burqa and the trauma has confused his, not too robust, senses?

AM : This person wanted to understand and he learned the truth.

I would first have O’Brien assessed for his mental capacity as it mentions he was a survivor of the Mumbai terror attacks. What exactly did he survive? He was hiding in his room, 'frightened'? What kind of Marine would hide? Sounds like a gutless coward to me and a fine addition to the ranks of moslem vermin.

Here's a link to the story:
O'Brien Survives

“I was brought up Christian and taught when someone attacks you, you have to love them,” he said. “What I discovered as I investigated Islam … I became enamored with the faith and the people I met.”

I wonder what he was going to say before he self-edited?

Abdullah

I dare say his 'spiritual journey' was skillfully managed and guided by his smiling and well-meaning muslim 'friends and associates', with lashings of comforting platitudes about how 'islam actually means peace' and all the associated tricks and rouses found in every good muslim's da'wa kitbag, designed to snare the emotionally unstable/young and impressionable/socially marginalised/intellectually impaired etc. etc, whilst carefully steering him away from or whitewashing the texts and tenets of islam that gave rise to the atrocity which nearly claimed his life.

Hey, I wonder how long before this fledgling revert will feel himself compelled to defend female genital mutilation and paedophilia on the comments sections of anti-jihad websites?

Abdullah Mike forgot to include "the rest of the story":

"I think this is part of his journey of faith and we can work with that," McGinley said.

Indeed, while others called it a conversion, O'Brien said he is not abandoning Christianity or Catholicism. He said he would not disgrace his family by disavowing what he was raised to believe and what they believe in.

He said he sees Sunday's declaration as a continuation or extension of his beliefs, noting how elements of Christianity and Judaism are a part of the Islamic faith.

He said he hopes to continue his work with the Catholic Church, even as he plans to regularly attend weekly Muslim prayers.

Asked what he will say when asked about his faith, he said he will now answer that he is "a student of Islam."
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He said he did not consider himself to be entirely Muslim. "I'm a work in progress," he said.

While most Muslims believe Jesus Christ was a great man and a prophet of God, they do not believe he was the son of God as Christians do. O'Brien said he still believes in Christ, that he ascended into heaven and will return one day.

He said he prayed a great deal about the recent move and Saturday was a day of lengthy contemplation.

He said his path to Islam started Nov. 26, 2008, in room 343 of the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower hotel in Mumbai when he heard gunshots.

O'Brien was there with fellow Delawarean C. Rich Diffenderffer, on business.

The two later said skipping dessert that night may have saved their lives.

Instead of remaining in the restaurant, O'Brien retired to his room and Diffenderffer went to the business center.

Minutes later, armed militants stormed the hotel, throwing grenades and spraying bullets.

By the end of the 60-hour assault, at least 170 were dead.

O'Brien said he peered out his door at one point and saw three of the attackers carrying assault rifles, all shouted as they passed.

While O'Brien, a former Marine who served in Vietnam, briefly entertained the notion of leaving his door open and attempting to disarm any gunman who tried to enter his room, he decided to bolt his door and push a couch in front of it.

Later, his room began to fill with smoke and he tried to make a run for it but was turned back by a wall of fire. He was rescued by firefighters with a ladder.

Diffenderffer, who was on the fifth floor, was rescued with a cherry picker.

While O'Brien cites that night as the start of his journey, he said it was not until a month later that he seriously started to consider "joining the Muslim movement" after he read the Koran, the Muslim holy book.

That was followed by about six months of study, and questions.

"I was brought up Christian and taught when someone attacks you, you have to love them," he said. "What I discovered as I investigated Islam ... I became enamored with the faith and the people I met."

He credited business partner, Ahmad Amer, a Muslim, with guiding him on his current path.

On Sunday, O'Brien was one of the last to leave the room where prayers had been held -- the first full Muslim prayer service O'Brien has attended. He was besieged by well-wishers who shook his hand and welcomed him to the community.

As he departed, he said he found Islam to be "a community of men who have integrity and I want to stand with these men of integrity."

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090921/LIFE/909210320/1005/LIFE

"Members of All Sides, an organization that seeks to promote peace between Israel and Palestinians, held pink pom-poms and shouted, "Hey Hey, HO, HO, this racist bull----'s got to go.""

This was supposed to be the clear signal by the Philadelphia Daily News that these were the "good guys" fighting against the evil, racist Wilders. Why, even Muslims and Jews are united against Wilders -- that's what the reader is supposed to think. What an awful, slanted article. I've never heard of All Sides, but I doubt very much that they have good intentions towards Israel.

This is why the mainstream media is losing all credibility. They distort. They mislead. They have become the problem.

Since Abdullah Mikhail decided to go off topic by his own admission, I will too to some extent. I would like to hear directly from AM if AM supports the right of a person here in America, invoking the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, to publicly say or write that Mohammed was a psychopath and a sexual pervert and that Islam is the one major faith which is totalitarian in structure and ideology and is essentially, unlike any other major religion, evil. So, AM, what say you about this First Amendment issue? Just how much of a supporter of the First Amendment are you? Or would you like to have it interpreted to disallow criticism of Mohammed and Islam?

On topic, I would just like to comment that Temple University, being located in the city of Philadelphia, has its share and more so of useful idiots who will not recognize a great man like Geert Wilders and will in full blithe ignorance mode align with those who would, if they could, take away the very freedoms Wilders is fighting for for all of us. No place in America will one find a greater collection of fools per capita then on a college campus. And I say this from years of experience.

Since Abdullah Mikhail decided to go off topic by his own admission, I will too to some extent. I would like to hear directly from AM if AM supports the right of a person here in America, invoking the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, to publicly say or write that Mohammed was a psychopath and a sexual pervert and that Islam is the one major faith which is totalitarian in structure and ideology and is essentially, unlike any other major religion, evil. So, AM, what say you about this First Amendment issue? Just how much of a supporter of the First Amendment are you? Or would you like to have it interpreted to disallow criticism of Mohammed and Islam?

On topic, I would just like to comment that Temple University, being located in the city of Philadelphia, has its share and more so of useful idiots who will not recognize a great man like Geert Wilders and will in full blithe ignorance mode align with those who would, if they could, take away the very freedoms Wilders is fighting for for all of us. No place in America will one find a greater collection of fools per capita then on a college campus. And I say this from years of experience.

Since Abdullah Mikhail decided to go off topic by his own admission, I will too to some extent. I would like to hear directly from AM if AM supports the right of a person here in America, invoking the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, to publicly say or write that Mohammed was a psychopath and a sexual pervert and that Islam is the one major faith which is totalitarian in structure and ideology and is essentially, unlike any other major religion, evil. So, AM, what say you about this First Amendment issue? Just how much of a supporter of the First Amendment are you? Or would you like to have it interpreted to disallow criticism of Mohammed and Islam?

On topic, I would just like to comment that Temple University, being located in the city of Philadelphia, has its share and more so of useful idiots who will not recognize a great man like Geert Wilders and will in full blithe ignorance mode align with those who would, if they could, take away the very freedoms Wilders is fighting for for all of us. No place in America will one find a greater collection of fools per capita then on a college campus. And I say this from years of experience.

Abdula Mik, reports above that one Dennis OBrian formerly a Catholic have embraced the Cult of Mohammet after surviving the Mumbai massacre.

The psychological dynamics involved in Dennis O'Brian's diving into the shithole of Islam is the same as the one involved in cases of girls who respond to the trauma of being sexually misused by becoming nymphomaniac or prostitutes.

One can not help speculating what caused AM to embrace islam. Was he sexually misused by a pack of mohammedans after being forced into burqa and the trauma has confused his, not too robust, senses?

AM : I forgot nothing, and I posted the entire article as I read it. There may be hundreds of other articles on this subject...I haven't read them and don't care.

Yeah, you certainly wouldn't want to have a complete picture of the event, just your rosy islamic version.

AM : I am just happy that this person took it upon themselves to learn and understand[SNIP]..

You get one convert, we see thousands going the other way.

AM : It's just amazing how insistant people here are on their confusion simply becuase there are criminals out there who slip the veil of religion over their evil.

It's certainly amazing how many of your moslem kin 'misunderstand', isn't it?

AM : I am not fooled by them, and neither was Mr. Obrien.

Clearly you don't know when you're being fooled, then, do you? All part of the delusion.

Oh, and as OT as your post was.... you still haven't answered my question that I've repeatedly asked you.

So I'll try again: Abdullah Mikail, are you an advocate of child molestation as your 'Perfect Man', mohammed (Pedophile, misogynist, murderer, liar, maniac, thief, parasite etc) was?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Temple University is by all accounts a proper University, whose job it is to not only educate but to encourage freedom of speech and freedom of expression. The same goes for Oklahoma University - a proper University, with no ethnic or religious bias built into its constitution, just like Temple. But is it not terribly suggestive, while Richard Dawkins received a sternly-worded letter from the Oklahoma House of Representatives 'strongly opposing' his talk on evolution and seeking to 'condemn' him personally, that the best these thuggish, ignorant, violence-loving Muslims do in the case of Temple is to threaten physical harm to a man who - like Dawkins - backs up his opinions and statements with evidence?

'Islam is peace' my fucking arse.

So it goes with these violent, life-hating fuckers. We could have anticipated that. But to read that the contemptibly blinded, bigoted and hatred-filled 'Muslims Student Association' actually ENDORSES these ignorant, self-hating, violent bastards, instead of DENOUNCING them, speaks at too high a volume for my ears. But I hear it nonetheless, through the pain.

Styrer

Abdullah the bandwidth thief strikes again...

Banning the Quran...I oppose banning books...I also don't consider that the Quran is a book...Trash between cardboard ends hardly qualifies as a book, except in the depraved minds of those trashologists called Mahoundians...'Stealth Jihad'...now 'that's' a book...

I remember Saudis predicting many converts to Islam in the United States after 9/11. Violence happens in the name of Islam. People begin to talk about Islam. Islamic concepts become common currency. Arabic words become well-known. More violence occurs in the name of Islam. Can anyone say Stockholm Syndrome?

What gets less press is how many Muslims, exposed to freedom of ideas, are leaving Islam.

So let's take a look at this.

"Indeed, while others called it a conversion, O'Brien said he is not abandoning Christianity or Catholicism. He said he would not disgrace his family by disavowing what he was raised to believe and what they believe in."

Mr. O'Brien obviously never understood that Jesus Christ is God, which is not uncommon in the post Vatican II Catholic Church. Catholics believe that Jesus is the 2nd person of the Trinity, true God and true man. If Mr. O'Brien "who heads up the education committee of St. Anthony's Catholic Church in Wilmington" can embrace Islam so easily, he was never much of a Catholic to begin with.

I think the real clue to the story is here:

"He credited business partner, Ahmad Amer, a Muslim, with guiding him on his current path."

I'm positive Mr. Amer gave Mr. O'Brien the sanitized version of the Islamic wet dream and as Mr. O'Brien is obviously confused about his present faith and probably feeling a little guilty that he survived while others died in the Mumbai attacks (with a little PC demonizing thrown in to create a potent cocktail) this is not surprising at all. Nor is it surprising that Abdullah Mike, the guilty Christian-to-Muslim convert and CAIR sympathiser would jump on a chance to spread a little propaganda and misinformation. "I forgot nothing, and I posted the entire article as I read it." Exactly.

And Abdullah Mike, thanks, I am having a great day. I was successful yesterday in helping to set up a book signing for Dave Gaubatz' new book, Muslim Mafia, and the people at the venue were THRILLED to have him come and meet people, sign copies and talk to folks about the danger of CAIR to America. In fact the manager told me that they had sold out of the book this past weekend. ; )

Yep, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. You have a great day too, Abdullah Mike.

War,

Isabella

Sorry for the triple post but I keep getting told I've timed out, then I submit again and yet the apparently timed out posts often show up. Anyone else have this problem?

"Fascist" "Racist"
I can't stop laughing. The US educational system must be in shambles if a college student can't understand the difference between a follower of democracy and a follower of fascism. A short hint: fascists don't run for office in elections.

There are only a handful of actual fascist political parties left in Europe(whos collective membership probably doesn't even number in the hundreds), and few racist ones(if any, as racist is pretty much a meaningless political slur term these days - watch Craig Bodeker's A Conversation On Race - even Germany's distasteful NPD isn't racist so much as it is ethnic nationalist).

Remember kids, when you can't effectively argue your point - just call your opponent a fascist racist zionist nazi pig, and then put a big sneer on your face and pretend like you've won the argument.

8:54 AM AM states:

This person made their own spiritual journey . . .This person wanted to understand and he learned the truth.

Agreeing with Wellington's comment above:

if AM supports the right of a person here in America, invoking the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States,. ..

Equally then, AM should stand and fully support Rifka Bary's right to choose her own faith.

Hello Wellington!

I was having the same problem a few weeks back and found that no matter what, your comment will post. My suggestion is to open another window and go back into JW so you can continue to read/post. Even if it looks like it hasn't posted, it will. Sometimes it takes several minutes. I found that just touching the JW screen can cause a double post, even when you don't hit the send button. We have to be covert and outsmart it. Kind of like dealing with Abdullah Mike. ;)

AbdullahMikail:

Thanks you for your response. There’s just one little thing more, however.

You kindly provided us with a link to St. Anthony of Padua Parish, the parish in which Mr. O’Brien is said to work. However, the link you provided is to St. Anthony of Padua parish in Hightstown, NJ http://www.stanthony-hightstown.net/. The parish Mr. O’Brien is said to have worked at is St. Anthony of Padua parish in Wilmington, DE http://www.stanthonynet.org/.

Mr. O’Brien, moreover, is now a deacon at the New Jersey St. Anthony’s. Not only am I a little surprised that he was able to get, let alone interested in getting, another position in another Catholic parish so soon –or ever-- after his conversion, but we find that he is now a deacon, a position of substantial spiritual responsibility in the Church, which to all appearances he attained in a few weeks while being a Moslem.

I hope you understand my confusion at all of this, but this story is looking increasingly improbable or at least seriously garbled. Are you sure you have your facts right?

Many thanks.

Islam is the only racist and totalitarian religion on this planet. Islam is anti-Semitic, promotes racism against black Africans, even if they are Muslims themselves, refer to the genocide in Dafur, in Denmark the Inuits are racially persecuted by Mohammedans, in Berlin Thai women are treated as whores by Mohammedans, the list is long, it includes Indians and Filippinos etc. And here is the one European politician, the Winston Churchill of our time, as efoc calls him speaking out against Nazislam, calling a spade a spade and moronic, indoctrinated thugs call him a racist. It's so preposterous, I could laugh, if it wasn't so sad. These people are nauseating. Yuck!

Micky, you're such a stupid ass clown. Nobody in their right mind can take you seriously. Converts to Islam wherever they come from are scum. The self-appointed prophet, a child molester, a pervert, a mass murderer who contravened nearly all of the ten commandments, to call this monster "the best man who ever lived on earth", is perverted. Micky, you're very lucky, G*d is merciful, moronism is absolutely painless, if he had made it painful, you'd be screaming day and night looking for a doctor to ease your pain instead of being such a pain in the ass.

Self-satisfied Brownshirts. Extraordinary, or dismal par for the dismal expected course?

Chatillon,

Perhaps Mr. O'Brien was an intern for CAIR who is now a plant. We know Muslims lie in order to promote their faith. Anyone who understands Catholicism would know that relegating Jesus to the role of mere prophet, and under Mohammad at that, would not be able to seriously claim adherence to the Catholic faith.

BTW, did you know that Randall "Ismail" Royer, one of the CAIR operatives in the D.C. area who has been convicted and sent to prison for aiding and abetting terrorists admitted to helping four people gain entry to a terrorist training camp in Pakistan operated by Lashkar-e-Taiba. You remember Lashkar-e-Taiba, they're the terrorist group that helped to train the 2008 Muslim Mumbai murderers.

According to chapter two of Muslim Mafia, regarding the Mumbai murderers, "who were ordered to 'kill until the last breath' in the name of Islam, carried out their killing spree after training in neighboring Pakistan. Over five months they practiced their assault at a camp run by the terrorist group Lashkar-e-Taiba, an al Qaida subcontrator.

Several years earlier, an American Muslim convert purchased the same weapon--an AK-47, the weapon of choice for jihadists--along with hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and practiced shooting it at a firing range near his home in the Washington DC area. Then he traveled to Pakistan to train for real at a Lashkar-e-Taiba camp similar to the one the Mumbai terrorists attended. He even fired live AK-47 rounds at Indian targets.

When this convert, Randall "Isamail" Royer returned to Washington, he went back to work for his employer, the Council on American-Islamic Relations."

CAIR, isn't that the group that you set up the clothing drive for last year in Dallas, Abdullah Mike? C'mon, what were you really doing besides passing out used coats to the poor?

"Clearly fascism wasn't defeated, because if it was, a genocide-loving racist clown like you still wouldn't have anything to say."

This ignorant statist has satisfied his religious requirements for the day.

1) It said the word "racist". No thought, no deed can be complete without spewing this obscenity at every thing a statist disagrees with.

2) It invoked Hitler. While it did so in a way that would lead you to believe it disagrees with Hitler, the sort of policies it supports would align closely with those of Hitler. For example, based on the mindless hatred of this creature, do you think it supports massive centralization, nationalization of private industries, and restricted speech? Not only does it do so, but it's been trained to think it is somehow opposed to Hitler.

3) A massive bonus is conferred for working in "fascist". See point #2 for the great irony involved in this.

The university has done its job well. Soon this creature will be defecated out into human society, ready to implement anti-thought, groupthink, and generally bring destruction on Americans thanks to it's massive and baseless hatred.

This is what the university has done. Turned human beings into engines of hatred, screaming fascist, racist, and Hitler at anything. A whole generation of so-called Americans who disagree with free speech!

The protesters were right in fascism wasn't defeated, just not in the way they think!

Abby is a tricksy-little-hobbit.

He originally uses an unquoted source for his little Stockholm syndrome, feel-good, supposed "conversion"(partial, half-assed at best) story, carefully choosing to print a politically correct utterance of the shahada:

..his belief - "There is only one God and the Prophet Muhammad is his last messenger".

When you refer to Muhammad as his last messenger, it opens up a historical deference to other prophets and other messengers. Now we all know that Islam's token consideration for Judaic prophets, and Christ specifically, is just that, token and disingenuine.

The actual translation, in Arabic of course, the only language to properly understand these things Islamic, probably does not literally translate to a reference of Muhammad as the "last" messenger, but rather just "the messenger". This is a distinction worth noting, though Abby would never initiate such a discussion for he requires obfuscations and outright lies to validate his positions.

In reality, the whole other prophets or messengers in Islam is just as superficial and illogical as Islam's core beliefs themselves. Muslims say that they believe in Moses (Musa) and that he brought the Torah to remind people how to worship Muhammad's moon-god. Likewise with Jesus (Issa) and the Gospel.

Islam's foundational justification of being considered anything but a cheap re-write of components of Judaism and to a lesser extent, Christianity, created for the sole purpose of supporting the whims and desires of one man, Muhammad, and by a reasonable extension, other men who fought for and followed him, is that the Torah and the Gospel and ultimately the messages of these former prophets, are corrupt.

Jesus was a prophet, but his message was a lie? What did the Gospel look like before it was corrupted by men? Those who believe that Moses delivered the "vile" Commandments of God are simply "the worst of creatures" (98:6) unless they worship the supposed same god but different messenger?

Nonsense.

Abby would have us believe that we are misguided for not buying into this fairy-tale crap and he routinely accuses us of seeing fire where there is smoke, correlating the on-going, ever-present violent acts committed by Muslims in their view, in the name of Islam, all the while failing to appreciate the irony each time a new Muhammad-something-or-other, "misunderstands" their own religion, acts un-Islamically and brings further scorn to his prophet's name and his religion in general.

The boy is certainly special, isn't he?

"I got the story just like all of you did and took it at face value."

Yes but knowing you, we didn't. Nice try though.

War,
Isabella

'Isabella you asked, “C'mon, what were you really doing besides passing out used coats to the poor?'

Oh, the usual stuff we do, provide free full panel health screenings, food, non perishable goods, diapers, basically anything a single parent or poor working family could use."

Yeah, Abdullah Mike, you'd be a little more convincing with the "I'm such a philanthropist and lover of mankind by giving away food and diapers" if you weren't so covertly hostile all the time. Usually, those who give have a good heart and don't spend their time demonizing anyone who disagrees with them. They also aren't associated with HAMAS front groups who spend their time annihilating human beings who oppose them in the name of "Al-lah".

BTW, you might want to have CAIR remove your phone number from their September 21, 2008 webpage. You wouldn't want a bunch of pro-freedom anti-jihadists from JW calling you in the middle of the night. ; )

Hey Abdullah Mike,

Do you know a guy named Khalil Meek?

War,
Isabella

Abby,

What conspiracy theories? We got more Muslim misunderstanders in Boston just today. No conspiracies needed. The constant theme keeps plodding along.

What is the Arabic wording of the shahada and what is its literal English translation? Please provide your source as well.

In your typical taqiyya fashion, you failed to acknowledge the substance of my statement, while obfuscating with attention to the minutiae. I focused on the reference of "last" as opposed to "the" in the shahada reference to Muhammad, not the distinction between prophet or messenger.

Prophet and messenger are essentially interchangable, you dimwit. look at the cultural reference in the link from dictionary.com (also note under prophet entry # 4, the "founder" of Islam. That was a classic.)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prophet

All that blather about versions of the Bible is just that...blather. Which OT version offers a different view about Moses and God's commandments?

Jews and Christians were commanded to worship the one God, but that, no matter how you choose to spin it, is certianly not Allah. The overt hubris in the shahada, the self-value placed on Muhammad, quite evident in my estismation.

Now Abby, back to that Arabic, shahada, translation, thingy if you please!

"I don’t mean to be rude, but it doesn’t matter if I am convincing to you or not…I don’t care."

So what is your purpose here then?

You know what Abdullah Mike, I do believe you have a heart. I believe you had one before you joined Islam and that it was hurt very deeply at some point in your life which caused you to mistakenly think Islam was the answer and go that route.

And as for coming across hostile, your apology is accepted.

'Running to an appointment. 'Catch you guys later.

Funny thing. St.Anthony is the Patron Saint of lost things and missing persons and LOST SOULS.Looks like our good DEACON O'Brien has had a little help in finding himself at St.Anthony's,after his brief pseudo conversion.It wouldn't take a miracle to back out of that one either.

Abdullah,

Mohammed was not a prophet. He did not prophesy, did not receive anything from God, lived a very sinful life, encouraged people to engage in sin, and went around murdering people.

None of the prophets in scripture lived or behaved anything like him. Therefore, he wasn't a prophet but a fraud.

Further, the Koran isn't a "confirmation of what came before", since muslims say Jews and Christians are wrong about the past, and the Koran contradicts the other scriptures. I'm sure when pressed for information about proof of corrupted scriptures you will engage in the various islamic canards, but I'll ask you for them anyway.

"Mathew 6: 9- 15 And here is the “meat” of the matter. Replace “Our Father” with “God”, then compare this verse to Al Fatiha…that was the original intent as there is no descendant of God."

This is one way you fail to understand scriptures. We conform ourselves to the scriptures, not the other way around. It seems the muslim way is to mutate the scriptures to get them to say what you want. In this you imitate Mohammed who basically made things up as he went along.

The intent and historicity of the scriptures are clear, Jesus had a reason to call God "our Father", the muslim attack on this is desparate and without foundation other than death threats.

How can anyone be surprised that the Left continues to demand that they are the sole arbiter of what's "acceptable/legitimate" free speech. The Left also seems to have a decided preference for totalitarian governments (as the elite, they'll rule, so no adverse consequences for them). Given that, why would one be surprised that they support Islam, and rabidly attack/censure any dissenters/clarions?

Today, there's a full blown Leftist attack on free speech in the USA. From the Obama White House, to the Dim controlled Congress, to our complicit media. I don't doubt that the Temple protesters got some small measure of comfort/support from this.

Disclosure: I believe in American exceptionalism (which doesn't preclude any others from making a similar claim).

If the USA falls under the unrelenting assault of the Left (which they're currently winning), so shall the rest of the world. It'll be a slow decline into darkness, as the free countries of the world, inevitably have their liberty and freedom stripped from them. When the bastion of democracy falls, what will be left standing between light and darkness?

Comment I made on Atlas Shrugs as well:

I at one time could have been one of those students protesting Geert Wilders, but I realize amply well now that it would have been out of sheer ignorance of the Islamic ideology. With ignorance comes the classification of dhimmi and worse.

Muslims practice the art of manipulation and the art lying and deceiving (taquiya) as well half truths (kitman) on these campuses daily when they know they have an un-knowledgeable,audience of young easily influenced college minds. Hate speech is the new buzz word that is used to suppress freedom of speech. The Muslim Students Associations across this nation's campuses even attach racism to their victimology even though it does not apply, simply because it is an effective tool of black Americans.

The young heads of mush in these photos and videos more than likely don't have a clue as to how they are being used as enablers of the most aggressive and oppresive ideology on the face of planet ; bar none.

We can only hope that as one young man said "keep an open mind and try to understand" why their is this clash coming of civilizations, one primitive and archaic and the other progressive in understanding the human condition as it evolves in a more modern and civilized world.

Unfortunately and tragically the Quran is locked in stone for all time and does not allow for change because the words of this man of the sword are considered pure and unchangeable.

I sure would like to see presentations on these University campuses that not only include Geert Wilders on stage but a host of others at the same time such as Nonie Darwish, Bridget Gabriel,Ayaan Hirsi Ally, and Wafi Sultan, let them yell at these people who have lived it and seen it in their own lives.

Wafi Sultan who understands why fundamental Muslims always feel the need to yell and bark out their words and she masterfully does not allow for their intimidation to reach her because she knows how they think and how they act out when they demand that they get their way, she is not fazed by it because she has seen it and lived it for 30 year of her life.

AbdullahMikail:

It appears to me that the stated topic of this thread and the story that you presented have some similarities.

Your Dennis O'Brien had a change of heart after being put in mortal danger by "Pakistani terrorists," as you called them. Do you think that Geert Wilders, after being threatened by these "Temple University Terrorists" as I call them, or the "British Terrorists" threatening him oustide Westminster in the UK, will convert as well?

Perhaps your Dennis O'Brien might provide support for Mr. Wilders during this transition period. That is, provided we could find the real Mr. O'Brien. Maybe he's dangling from a balloon, yes?

"allah" doesn't exist - Thank God Jesus!

"allah" is the psychopath mortal Warlord Mo the Beheader, the Mass-Murderer, the Hater of Females, the Pedophile, the Thief, the Polygamist. Evil Warlord Mo/allah - just like Ab Mik. Evil.

War upon evil Islam - Save our civilized West from the mass-murdering Islamic Barbarians.

Muhammadans don't worship The Creator.

Muhammadans worship Muhammad, the self-fulfilling profiteer. The fiend muhammad created his own personality cult for his brain-dead, enslaved followers.

How many male muhammadans have the name Muhammad?

Wellington : Besides, without religion, think of the religiously inspired magnificent artwork man would be deprived of, be it the rich artistic legacy of Roman Catholicism, the sheer beauty of ancient Egyptian religious art or whatever.

Without religion we would already be colonizing other planets.

We would still have Art. All civilizations, unless dictated by their asinine religious precepts, show Art as a natural outlet for emotion.

Generally we agree, Wellington, but when it comes to matters of religion we will politely differ.

"The Quran predicted the defeat of the Persians at the hands of the Byzantines in six to nine years from a current state of the Byzantines that suffered a crushing defeat by the Persians. It happened in the time frame specified."

Actually it happened 12 years later, which is outside mohammed's 3-9 year time frame. Further, this was not exactly hard to predict. I predicted Obama would win the presidential election, am I now a prophet?

" And miracles at his hands abounded, many of the same type that Jesus came with…whether you believe in them or not is up to you."

Actually, Sura 17:59 and others like it indicate mohammed couldn't/didn't perform miracles. It really sounds like he was making up excuses. The "Hadis" that tell stories copying the NT were written hundreds of years after mohammed's death so there is reason to view them with suspicion.

"Have you even read the Bible?"

It's because I've read the Bible that I know you are arguing from a weak point.

"How much of it is dedicated to detailing the facet of armed conflict? Okay, keep that in your mind now."

Armed conflict has nothing to do with forcing people to believe in you. Which of the prophets said "I earn my butter under the shade of my spear."? None of them.

"Moses was commanded to take the tribes of Israel and fight for the promised land, wasn’t he? But the cowards wouldn’t follow him, would they?"

What in the world has this got to do with anything? Moses or Joshua never went to anyone and said "believe in me, or I'll kill you." This is what mohammed did and this is what his followers do today.

"Was Prophet David a soldier and a warrior philosopher king or not? How many wives did he have?"

David's wives were a constant source of trouble if for no other reason than the problems his sons caused the kingdom. I would encourage you to actually read the scripture about David's family problems. His polygamy has never been considered a quality to emulate by any holy person. Further, his great sin was stealing another man's wife, something mohammed had no problem doing.

"Was Solomon a commander of armies and as well a philosopher and warrior king? How many wives did he have?"

Interesting that you mention that, perhaps if you read the Bible you would know the scriptures are clear that Solomon's wives eventually turned his heart from God. So using Solomon as a support for polygamy/mohammed's adultery is not a very good idea.

"Prophets do as they are commanded to do and they act as God has allowed and directed them to act. They lived, they loved, and they fought, all under the direction of God."

Which of Moses, David, or Solomon told people to believe in them, or God, or he would kill them? It never happened, so why does mohammed get to as he pleases and be considered the greatest? Wasn't Aisha's salient observation about allah a good indication that allah was mohammed's alter-ego?

Further, find the place in scripture where God tells, or even encourages anyone to marry multiple wives. You won't find it because it doesn't exist. (Levirate relationships don't count; they can be refused.)

Jesus, who you claim to cherish, not only never married, but said that monogamy was God's intention from the beginning. He further said there is no such thing as either sex or marriage in heaven, contradicting the cosmic whorehouse that mohammed said awaited his followers.

“The intent and historicity of the scriptures are clear, Jesus had a reason to call God "our Father", the muslim attack on this is desparate blah blah blah….”

The fact that you can't answer this other than to put your fingers in your ears is a good indication that you don't have any ground to stand on. Like I said, typical muslim response.

"God has no descendant, and the ten commandments is enough evidence of this."

The scriptures are pretty clear that God has a Son, the ten commandments in no way contradict this. While we are on the subject, why do you worship a god that your own koran claims is not all-powerful?

"Stop worshipping creation and start worshipping the Creator."

Why not take your own advice? Who are you worshiping but a man's own ego?

"You’ve been proven wrong on your specific points #1, and #2."

Not only did you not prove me wrong, but all the information you gave was incorrect. You have presented no proofs of mohammed's prophecies, except one that didn't happen when he said it would, and no miracles except stories copying the NT written hundreds of years after mohammed's death. Your own koran indicates he couldn't perform miracles.

"#3 is matter of faith…believe what you like."

Mohammed has no more credentials than any thug or robber.

Abdullah, JW's resident tap-dancing liar. Another day, another Muslim misunderstander plotting violence, another lie out of Abdullah's mouth....

How about that Arabic to Engligh literal translation of the Shahada, Abby?

I thought so. You already know the answer doesn't support your position, even though you routinely accuse Robert of "out of context" ignorance and an inability to read or comprehend Arabic. Here's your chance.

The Gospel. Jesus the messenger or prophet or whatever Abdullah wants to define him as, a respected figure in Islam, with the exception that Islam's contention that the core element of the Gospel...Jesus' death and resurrection a corrupted lie. It never happened...sure.

Islam is so dualistic, contradictory and illogical. Islam sanctions misogyny and polygamy. The Qur'an, a book of protocol for warfare, subjugation and sanctioned lying, a book of peace for sure as well. Christ, through his father, our God, willfully layed down his life for the salvation of all who embrace Him...Muhammad layed down your 9-year old sister as a spoil of war. Peace.

Islam rejects the divine revelations from God to man through science, while simultaneously touting science as a credential for the Qur'an's divinity and Islam's validation. So many modern day Muslims contributing to scientific advancement, right?

Peace and tolerance, to a degree and with limitations. People of the Book and Zoroastrians, eligible for subservient status, sometimes, while polytheists like Hindus, and even general non-deists alike, forced with a terrible choice of convert or die.

Hero-worship of the desert warlord, Muhammad. "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger/prophet", the shahada,(just because the tap-dancer refused to answer and tapped away...exit stage left. Special rules for his profit. Extra war booty rations. Behavior to be emulated.

Islam is regression. Comparatively to the Darwinistic principle of natural selection and survival of the fittest, Islam is willful slavery, a mental defect embraced.

It is so absurd, and if not for the violence, laughable. Muslims in NYC wearing the garb of those living in the desert in the 7th century.

Islam is a dead-end street, an inescapable trap. Regressive, weak and defective at every turn, with the noted exception of the agression.

Muslims by their devotion to Muhammad excel at agression and ultimately the wholesale rejection of the second half of the Golden Rule.

Tap...tap...tap...tap...tap.

Those who are in a position to speak to Wilders and advise him ought to tell him to

(a) retract this nonsense about banning the Quran, and
(b) stop giving his opponents ammunition with idiotic and provocative statements such as his apparently joking proposal about the "head rag tax".

In our present-day mainstream media, Wilders' critics need only point to the above two sound-bites in a and b, ignoring the substance of everything else he's said, to dismiss him as an incoherent nut. Indeed, some of Wilders' critics have already done so.

Re banning the Quran, the line in defense of Wilders here is that he is drawing attention to the fact that the Netherlands bans Mein Kampf as hate propaganda and therefore, to be consistent, they should also ban the Quran. But the problem for Wilders, given his own views on freedom of expression, is not that the Netherlands is inconsistent in its application of its hate propaganda laws, but rather that Wilders himself can easily be shown to appear inconsistent in his stated views on freedom of expression. And how can people examine for themselves the validity of Wilders claim that the Quran is an "evil book" if that book, as Wilders proposes, is only available to a small number of academic specialists? Of course, what Wilders also says he wants is universal freedom of expression, but his statements about banning the Quran needlessly complicate and confuse the issue, and are easily seized upon by critics who want all of Wilders' other valid concerns about Islam and the Islamization of Europe to be dismissed.

Abby~

I'm considerably to the left of most persons who post here, and my personal theology is more pantheistic than anything on this thread. It’s generally not cool to go all Kumbayah on this site, but here I think it is called for.

There is no god but God, and we are each of us Her prophet.

Who can look into the eyes of a child and not see a prophet?

The Creator and the Created are one in the same. Your dualism fails.

What disturbs me about Islam is that it presents what philosopher Emmanuel Levinas called a Totality. It is a closed system that must ever turn back to literalist prohibitions.

Levinas and I prefer Infinity, something that reaches ever outwards, and rejects entropy.

“Remember what the dormouse said, Free your head! Free your head!”

Progress,

~skevin

AM: You're making the dubious claim that Islam confirms scripture, but a version that no one has ever seen. There are thousands of manuscripts of the OT and NT, more than we have of writings of Aristotle and yet there's very little doubt what Aristotle wrote is authentic.

AM on Isreal: "Review the UN declarations about their violations and see how many times Israel proved it deserved the “rights” of being a sovereign nation based upon how they treated the occupied peoples…"
All things being equal you think Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, Afganastan, Pakastan, Yemen, Etc. all don't deserve the rights of being sovereign nations too, right or at least should be criticized equally with Israel?

Could you be more specific about civil rights abuses in Is real and why you think they are occupying Gaza? I never seem to get a clear idea of specifically what Israel is doing that is "occupying" from critics of Israel.
Is it the wall Israel constructed to prevent suicide bombers to the civilians?
The military strikes back to civilian land that the rockets are coming from?
What do you think Israel should do about Gaza's attacks? Whenever I ask this you talk about "words and deeds" but I want A REAL answer. Do you think if Israel stopped responding to attacks and pulled out settlements, the rockets from Gaza would stop? Why? What else would Israel have to do?

You didn't answer my question about what you meant about not being recognized as a Jewish state. I showed it was by the UN ("Jewish state" are the exact words), so do you admit you were you mistaken? or did you mean not recognized by Islam/Muslim countries so it doesn't count?

"I never said that people who protest in a violent manner were not Muslims. I said certain actions can remove one from Islam when one is doing them and insisting on continuing to do them...this can remove one from Islam. Killing an innocent person is one of them...it is forbidden and it is not an act of Islam, yet counter to its teachings."

Fair enough. But if that's so, my point still stands. There's hundreds if not thousands of muslims out there who are perpetrating hate that perhaps you should be ministering to and teaching them they are on the wrong path and what their doing is un-islamic, rather than preaching at the people who point out these people's disgusting actions.

(I posted this in another topic, but I wanted to be sure you saw this)

AM said: "I remind you from the Torah "three years and one day" the Jewish standard of that day for the earliest time a bride may be consummated with in marriage.
You think about that sick Jewish standard of the day before you bring up any more rhetorical attacks as the like you have been won't to engage in...got it?"

This is Tu Quo Que garbage and you know it. You can't excuse what's said in the Quran, so you resort to finding problems somewhere else as if it justifies it.

One thing is, you forgot that that's the OLD testament. Mohammad didn't live in the 3rd century BC, but in the 7th Century AD. He should have to live up to the EXAMPLE AND STANDARDS of the time he lived. This means since he came after Jesus, he should have to live to his example who HRIST who was before him who did not (1) own any slaves, (2) marry (so even allegations of underage marriage and polygamy is out) and never killed even in self defense. How many of these three are true of Mohammad, the "perfect example for all time"?

Western students need to study the real story of the rise and spread and beliefs of the mental AIDS of Islam first, then decide how many more of these Allah Akbars we want living anywhere near us without a warden.

http://go.to/islamhistory

We are constantly told by the followers
of Mohammad that he was the last prophet.

Was Mohammad a prophet..???

On what basis do muhammadan muslim form such a dogma..???

Temple University is a worthless piece of crap.

*** Bukhari Vol 6 Bk 61 Nbr 550 ***

But then again so is every college nowadays. So no offense to Temple on it a worthless piece being crap. Maybe the professors "working" there should make the students read the Koran and hadiths and Sharias to smarten themselves up.

These kids want to be brave, why not give
them a try for 6 months by sending them to
Sudan, Pakistan, Iran.or any African muslim
countries.. and see how brave these kids are...

It baffles me why anyone bothers to read, let alone comment upon, the views of the nutcase AM or any other islamic agitator. Pointless exercise .. simply ignore him .. his remarks have no substance and even less importance.

Wow! This IS a hot topic! Glad to see it!

A great talk by Evan Syet called "How liberals think" (if that's not a contradiction of terms!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

Hope this helps to arm some of you guys with the knowledge to tackle this disease of post-modernism...

This "Jonas Skovdal" who has become infamous now on the Blogosphere for his moment of Orwellian "pride" in getting fascism exactly ass-backwards was no "Elite": Just a few months ago, it seems, he was a senior at Conwell-Egan Catholic High School, a bleakly pleasant school set in a town in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, called Fairless, about 19 miles northeast of Philadelphia. Fairless was created in 1951 as a town with mostly pre-fab housing, mostly to house workers in the steel mills, one of those pleasantly grey towns off the northeastern seaboard reminiscent of "my little town" in Paul Simon's song:

Coming home after school
Flying my bike past the gates
Of the factories
My mom doing the laundry
Hanging our shirts
In the dirty breeze...

Not to mention the probable secularism and sociopolitical anomie of residents of towns like that across America:

In my little town
I grew up believing
God keeps His eye on us all
And He used to lean upon me
As I pledged allegiance to the wall...

Fairless currently has a demographic of approximately 91% white, with approximately 2% blacks, 2% Asians, 2% Hispanics. Jonas Skovdal was apparently a promising basketball player for CEC (Conwell-Egan Catholic), and it's likely that he got a basketball scholarship to attend Temple, at which he is currently a freshman.

This is the reach of PC MC for you: a white kid from a Catholic high school in a steel mill town in Pennsylvania glibly condemns Geert Wilders as a "fascist" and thus mindlessly parrots the PC MC paradigm that has become lodged in his heart and mind probably since he came of age not too long ago.

I watched all four of the YouTube Clips of Wilders' talk at Temple. His message is familiar to readers here and didn't contain anything new that hasn't been discussed in depth on these pages, but there were several other things that struck me as significant about his speech.

1. The obvious presence of security guards. Wilders mentioned the life he has been living during the last five years, where because of threats on his life from Muslims he has been forced to always be accompanied by a security detail.

2. The audience was relatively tame in comparison with talks given, say, by David Horowitz on campuses around the U.S., with a near complete absence of shouting by Muslims.

3. Wilders pointed out the rising alarm in the E.U. about the problems being caused by Muslim immigration, and as a direct result of this the increasing influence being enjoyed by the conservative political parties there. He mentioned that if current trends continue he may become the next Dutch Prime Minister.

4. He explicitly called for halting further immigration into the E.U. from Muslim countries. (There was no mention of Turkey, but the connection with Turkey's application for membership in the E.U. is pregnantly obvious.) He explicitly called for Americans to become aware of what is happening in Europe, and take steps to ensure that we do not allow ourselves to get into a similar situation.

5. He expressed his admiration for the U.S. Constitution, and said that what was needed in the E.U. was the equivalent of our First Amendment rights to freedom of speech. Is it too much to hope that if he becomes PM he will push for inclusion of this in the European Constitution?

Although we have all heard his message before, because his talk was delivered on American soil and because of the PC/MC atmosphere on American campuses, I was a little surprised at how explicit he was about the problems being caused by Islam. I noted what seemed to be a bit of wariness in his demeanor, as if expecting an outburst or worse from the audience. It didn't come, and he was allowed to deliver his talk without incident. It's a message that needs to be heard, and Temple University, to its credit, after what appeared to be some waffling allowed Wilders to speak.

Thanks to everyone who made Wilders' visit possible. Hopefully there will be many more. When he becomes Prime Minister, I hope we will have a president with whom he can engage in a fruitful dialog about these matters.