"(As) Muslim (girls) living here, there's a lot of pressure on us." Yes, there is. And it isn't from "Islamophobes." "Husband Charged in Murder of Sterling Heights Woman," by Roop Raj for WJBK, September 29 (thanks to all who sent this in):
STERLING HEIGHTS, Mich. (WJBK) - A man faced a judge in Sterling Heights on Tuesday, charged with murdering his wife. FOX 2 spoke to those close to the victim, who say domestic violence should not be taken lightly.As friends and family remember the life of a 25-year-old woman in Sterling Heights that was stabbed to death in her own home, her own husband was charged with her murder.
22-year-old Mohammed Chowdhury was charged Tuesday afternoon with his wife's murder. He called 9-1-1 on Monday, saying a group broke into the apartment and killed his wife. Police say the story didn't add up.
"Told a variety of stories to police officers and the family shortly after the incident had occured. Ultimately, it appears now that he is soley responsible," said Sterling Heights Police Lt. Robert Henigan....
Her friends didn't know her husband very well, but are hoping to spread awareness about domestic abuse. Police had been to their place before."(As) Muslim (girls) living here, there's a lot of pressure on us... but it's okay," Begum said. "There are people like us who are here to help you."
Chowdhury will appear in court again on October ninth for a preliminary hearing.
Do you suppose she had been around town and had seen the freedoms the western women enjoyed and maybe she may have spoken with them only to discover all the Islamic BS her husband had been feeding her was just that ...BS...maybe she told her husband she want some changes made...
womens rights are Un-Islamic..
Jesus said, speaking of marriage/divorce: "... so they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate." (Mark 10:7,ESV)
i hope our moral equivalence enthusiasts note the diff between the Judeo-Christian perspective and this one, where a man can act in the place of Allah and bring about a terminal separation - without writ. surely the latter is not righteous, hardly constructive, in any societal sense, as it denies the dignity of WOMAN as human being, denies any chance for reconciliation between one who is supposed to husband and one who is to be protected.
boakai ngombu said, "i hope our moral equivalence enthusiasts..."
Moral Equivalence Head-Popping Comparisons
Surprised to see no hate mail today Mr. Spencer. Keep on keeping up the good fight Sir.
From above: as it denies the dignity of WOMAN as human being...
Who said women were human beings? Not Mahound, not Allah...In fact Allah creates women stupid because of what Eve did...He afflicts her with monthly bleeding because Eve made the tree bleed...He subjects her to low treatment and beatings by her husband Q4:34...A passing dog or woman can ruin a prayer...Woman are dirt...tilth...less than human and often treated like animals...worse than animals...a hog gets better treatment...
Given that the area has the highest population of Muslims in the US, it wasn't a matter of if there would be an honor killing there, it was just a matter of when it would be committed.
My guess is that, because the local authorities have become such good dhimmis, the honor killing angle will be squashed and quashed and ignored.
And the fruit of embracing fear that way will be more dead women in Michigan. And elsewhere.
I wonder if "stabbed to death" might be a dhimmi euphemism for "beheaded" ???
Whatever... the Crusades probably made him do it out of frustration. We should feel Mr. Chowdhury's pain rather than criticize his religious beliefs.
At any other time in our history, this would be front page news across the country. Instead, it is a Politically Correct Multi-cultural "Religiously" Tolerant moment.
There is that corpse, though.
So let me get this straight all you have to do is call the local help group (all pious Muslim girls) and ask for them to help the abuse stop. OhhhKaayyy.
"(As) Muslim (girls) living here, there's a lot of pressure on us." Yes, there is. And it isn't from "Islamophobes." "Husband Charged in Murder of Sterling Heights Woman," by Roop Raj for WJBK
As they deflect attention away from Islam
Hey Joe, where you going with a knife in your hand...
hey Joe....
Well, we even have a song for this,an anthem,a Hymn.But see, in these we have gone much father,we are superior here too, cause we make poetry, art, out of it.So no one has to do it again.
But not you, you have to kill your women, be it your daughters, or your girlfriends.No art allowed here.Or there, like when you covered all those beautiful mosaics and paintings in the churches where ever you go.
What a shit you are for this world.
"(As) Muslim (girls) living here, there's a lot of pressure on us... but it's okay," Begum said. "There are people like us who are here to help you."
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The presence of "people like us" didn't help young Mrs. Chowdhury all that much--they couldn't prevent her death at the hands of her husband.
I agree--we are likely going to see many, many more cases like this.
Like poster NextVoiceUHear, I also wondered if "stabbed to death" might mean "beheaded".
"I don't know nuthin' 'bout no honor killin' in Islam . . ."
This phrase will be useful for any Islamic snake-oil salesman or PC media toady for any and all voluntary or involuntary flim-flam taqiyya by simply replacing "honor killin'" with an embarassing truth from Islam, such as "apostate murder," "child bride abuse," "rape and kidnapping of non-Muslims," and so on.
A husband has murdered his wife! The story doesn’t match up! Stop the presses!
Wow thank goodness this website posted the article that must mean it has to do with Islamic jihadists.
A husband has murdered his wife! The story doesn’t match up! Stop the presses!
Wow thank goodness this website posted the article that must mean it has to do with Islamic jihadists.
Pressure from.........?
Every media outlet should be able to complete this sentence.
"22-year-old Mohammed Chowdhury was charged Tuesday afternoon with his wife's murder"
What is it with these Chowdhurry's huh? There seems to be a pattern, that with every character called Chowdhury mentioned in JW is a murderous, woman hating a-hole.
"(As) Muslim (girls) living here, there's a lot of pressure on us... but it's okay," Begum said. "There are people like us who are here to help you."
well, not much help if the woman is already murdered.
Move along. Nothing to see here. Just your standard islamic reaction to a woman. Move along.
"Police had been to their place before."
And she stayed with him after that?! Why? It's too late for this poor woman, but anyone living with an abuser needs to get out. It is no way to live, and certainly no way to die. I would rather live under a bridge than live with an abuser -- and there are shelters. Get out!
For the record, this isn't really a particularly Muslim city- definitely not Dearborn. Here is a local angle on the story, including a bit on the corners results:
Husband charged in stabbing death of wife
http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/2009/09/30/news/srv0000006518030.txt
Someone posted an interesting comment below the story:
Ahab wrote on Sep 30, 2009 1:49 PM:
" thes is our customs
never mind the bad talk about thes
please you leave us alone to practice our customs
we not hurting you
please you go now "
Another interesting aside- the link with the detailed story above is from a small, local paper. The main newspapers in the area barely covered the story.
Troll alert. Dark Knight is spewing over on Pamela's site.
Boy, Muslims really don't like it pull back that rock, do they?
Jesus said, speaking of marriage/divorce: "... so they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate." (Mark 10:7,ESV)
i hope our moral equivalence enthusiasts note the diff between the Judeo-Christian perspective and this one, where a man can act in the place of Allah and bring about a terminal separation - without writ. surely the latter is not righteous, hardly constructive, in any societal sense, as it denies the dignity of WOMAN as human being, denies any chance for reconciliation between one who is supposed to husband and one who is to be protected.
What does this have to do with KILLING your wife?
Jesus NEVER suggested that a man should kill his wife.
Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.
That is how it goes in Christianity a man is asked to GIVE his life up to save his wife if necassary, NOT to kill her.
Unveiled,
Propoganda garbage is what you just spewed.
There is no such thing as "honor killing" in Islam, the very practice of killing to preserve familial honor is forbidden in the Quran and condemned.
There are many things in the Bible about the husband wife relationship and not all as rosey as what you just posted. Many are disturbing, but I question whether they are real or part of the eight major revisions plus NIV ( p.s. it's in "modern" language and easier to read!!!)
Question everything, absolutely, as another poster here's moniker states... but when the truth is told to you plainly, don't keep braying like a jack ass... listen.
Peace
Abdullah
s,
Oh, yeah, like I believe that was really written by a real person and not some blog troll posing...
Peace
Abdullah
My apologies boakai ngombu,
I believe I misunderstood your post.
Sorry
The paid apologist from CAIR Dallas, abdullah mikhail can't read:
This is what the Quran (4:89) says.
They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
Unveiled, accepted and relax.
you provided an excellent description to add to the discussion about how much and how far a husband should intend to demonstrate love for his wife. [why, it's even found in the Greek texts and a portion of what Jesus said - agreeing with Moses - is in the accepted Hebrew texts.] i do wish the adherents would study this instead of the Koran.
Allah truly brought in a different perspective than that of the so-called earlier (disparaged) revelations, which together display a remarkable consistency, unlike that which supposedly abrogates them.
The Quran has countless other condemnations of infidels and apostates and prophecies their suffering and doom. When a muhammadan facilitates the misery, suffering or doom of an apostate, said muhammadan is just doing allacadabra's work for him (isn't allah pathetic?) and so no punishment is prescribed. This is why honor murderers in islam are not prosecuted.
Please pay no attention to AM, as he is paid deceiver from CAIR Dallas.
Quran 16:106
Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom.
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There are endless curses of apostates in Islam. muhammadans are correct in thinking that the KKKoran (and the satan allah) wish doom on the apostate, and muhammadans who murder for the honor of satan's bloodlust are doing what their KKKoran tells them to do.
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Islam is a disgusting blasphemy and requires a gutless liar and paid deceiver like Abdullah Mikhail from CAIR Dallas to whitewash. No one here is fooled by that slave to satan.
Jackass am I?
Balaams Ass perhaps.
You seem to be assuming that I don't know the Scriptures.
Torah, Tanakh, Brit Chadasha.
There isn't anything in it about husband and wife that I find disturbing.
I have read the Bible from cover to cover several times.
I have studied it many years with Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek Lexicons & Dictionaries. So don't think you can con me into believing lies about it.
As for your comments about the NIV. A real God doesn't suffer from the language/translation inadequacies that affect Allah.
I have also read the unholy Koran. That is why I know your arguments don't make sense.
Don't assume that everyone who posts here knows the truth about Islam because of Robert Spencer.
What you are following is a counterfiet prophet.
May the truth walk into your life and wake you up.
AM ironically states: "...but when the truth is told to you plainly, don't keep braying like a jack ass"
...rather funny comment coming from a jackass like you...
O, and AM was last seen on another thread promoting Muhammad and his pedophilia...you guys won't believe his latest defense of Muhammad, The Pedophile Prophet. Check out his comment towards the bottom of this thread:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/09/her-duty-is-helping-muslim-women-who-have-been-abused----and-spreading-soothing-myths-about-islam.html#comments
...er, on second thought, you guys will believe it...
Video of this story is up on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esrKEQB6p7k
Cheers
Slave-boy; anyone who's been at this blog for more than 5 minutes knows you're a fool and a liar.
Yankel,
Boy don’t you like to twist and spin things?
But what should I expect from someone who is just dishonestly trying to demonize for commercial gain?
Let’s post a little more contextual information to keep you honest (boy, that’ll be the day…) okay?
88 “Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.”
(Wow! Even God admonishes the Prophet for how much he cared about the hypocrites even when they committed evil against him.)
89 “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-“
(I will simplify the meaning for you because obviously a lot of words tend to confuse you: If they are evil to you do not befriend them they are enemies [Duh, even you should be intelligent enough to figure that out… If they turn as enemies upon you fight them. [ Duh, even you should be bright enough to defend yourself…]
90 “Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).”
[If they make peace with you it is okay to befriend them. (Wow, what a brain buster…) If they send you peace treaty agree to peace and you have no right to fight them.]
Wow, Yankel, even your 25 watt bulb should be lighting up just about now.
Let’s simplify it further just for you, Yankel:
Don’t befriend enemies that attack you.
If they attack you, you attack them.
If they make peace with you Befriend them and are not allowed to fight with them.
Yankel, I am sorry, I can’t show you pictures in this medium and thus this is as simple as it can get…
Peace
Abdullah
Unveieled,
I didn't assume anything... if once you read the truth and you don't bray, then fine, the description doesn't fit you, but yes, there is much in the Torah and the Bible that is sick:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/09/her-duty-is-helping-muslim-women-who-have-been-abused----and-spreading-soothing-myths-about-islam.html#comments
It was posted to Foolster to put his own Judeo-christian-Western Culture into context on the issue.
Peace
Abdullah
HA HA,
Bible verses are propoganda!! LOL
Yes a propoganda for love.
Quotes from scripture really get to you don't they?
Ask yourself why that is?
You are allowed to question yourself aren't you?
Unveiled,
Pardon me, but what in hell are you rambling on about?
Peace
Abdullah
UNveiled,
Thanks for the CV (I;ll just have to trust you), then of course you should be able to explain how Christians claim that Jesus was God as they quote in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
This is John speaking and not Jesus.
Also, the Greek word for the first occurrence of God is HOTHEOS which means "the God" or "God" with a capital "G", while the Greek word for its second occurrence is "TONTHEOS", which means "a god " or "god" with a small "g".
Isn’t this dishonesty and inconsistency on the part of those translating the Greek Bible? ?
Isn’t such quotation in John 1:1 recognized by every Christian scholar of the Bible to have been written by a Jew named Philo Alexandria way before Jesus and John?
Please enlighten us...
Peace
Abdullah
Champ, they were living apart because of his violence.
"The couple, who had been married for three years, had a tumultuous relationship and had been living apart in Hamtramck for a period of time until recently, family and friends told police.
Acquaintances said Miah worked at a drug store on Carpenter and Conant in Hamtramck. She moved out of Hamtramck with her son to the Sterling Heights complex to get away from her husband.
"She was afraid of him," a friend said."
AM, this is a piece I found on Answering Islam, which deals with exactly the same argument given by a chap called Deedat (do you guys get these from a crib sheet?):
The Greek text of John 1:1 is:
En arche en ho logos, kai ho logos en pros ton theon, kai theos en ho logos.
and the boldface words are the two mentionings of "theos" = "god" in the sentence.
The Greek phrase for "the god" is 'ho theos' [subject case], 'ho' = "the", 'theos' = "god",
'ton theon' is the accusative form [object case] of it.
Deedat's ignorance shows in several ways.
1) In 'ton theos' he mixes 'ton' (the accusative case of the article) with 'theos' (the nominative of the noun) which is an impossible construction in Greek.
2) The accusative case 'ton theon' is the FIRST mentioning of God in the verse [while he claims 'tontheos' to be the second], while 'theos' [without article but the nominative case] is the second mentioning of it.
3) Basically all serious scholars agree that the usual Bible translation "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God." is the correct translation. And this opinion is shared by many "atheist" linguists and grammar specialists, who say "this is the right translation" though we don't believe that the content of the sentence is correct.
Another lie by AM, another post he's going to have to abandon.
I think I'm going to track each of these lies so his tactic of waiting until the post goes into the archives and gets forgotten doesn't work and I'll bring it up every time he accuses Mr. Spencer or others of lying.
Also, AM I notice in that reply by you that there's no New Testament verses at all. Interesting considering Mohammad came AFTER Jesus...
Thank you, MrsJ! ...I missed that part of the story :)
"Also, AM I notice in that reply by you that there's no New Testament verses at all. Interesting considering Mohammad came AFTER Jesus..."
Good swat, Foolster41! ...AM never could keep his facts straight. His presence has become more and more annoying and tiresome. He's like a huge nasty house fly that has flown in, and you swing, and you swing, but you can never hit that damn thing hard enough to actually swat and kill it! ...yeah, he's sorta like that +_+
AM the new test. is for christians. In the NT it says treat your wife as yourself. allah said beat your wife.
why do muslims always talk about what others did bad to justify their bad!
Muslims suffer from microcephilia, a rat disease in Islam because muslims marry babies and marry their 1st cousins and produce a rat bunch of kids.
women who only see being beaten as fine and dandy because other women are beaten are as stupid as allah said he made muslim women in tabari 1:280.
Slave;
I see you again chat on as though I never accused you of being a liar. And a fool. You are and will be eternally both... bitch.
Too, I see you have failed to respond in any way to the question I posed to you here, on another thread, about whether you have asked Robert for full contact information so that you in your rich mercy and wisdom can find and reach out to the poor misguided Muscreants who so regularly threaten his life and dissuade them from their senseless, evil, unIslamic thoughts and deeds.
You are the shit we scrape from our heels.
What is UP with my laptop? ...it keeps cutting off the left-hand portion of the thread and comments. Anyone else experiencing this random problem?
another crock of shit by the paid liar from CAIR, slave of satan, abdullah.
Sura 4:89 is very clear!
Apostates are to be killed!
However, if an apostate that muhammadans wish to kill has found refuge with a group that has a peace treaty with those muhammadans, then the muhammadans are not obligated to kill that apostate as it may break the treaty.
Very simple to anyone except a loser who gets paid by CAIR Dallas to lie.
Truth, Out
Yankel
I grew up not too far from Detroit a long time ago. I remember being told by my mother that Sterling Heights was a "ritzy neighborhood". I guess that Detroit really has gone far downhill.
Ynakel,
Since you are obviously suffering short term memory loss, and are unable to follow a verse to it's obvious meaning, we'll attempt to simplify it for oyu one more time:
"Wow, Yankel, even your 25 watt bulb should be lighting up just about now.
Let’s simplify it further just for you, Yankel:
Don’t befriend enemies that attack you.
If they attack you, you attack them.
If they make peace with you Befriend them and are not allowed to fight with them.
Yankel, I am sorry, I can’t show you pictures in this medium and thus this is as simple as it can get…"
Peace
Abdullah
tilly,
An over simplification. There is vastly more rights granted in the Quran and the Hadiths to women and wives than was ever granted through any Western legislation up until like a hundred years ago.
Remember, you were, if you are American woman, a second class citizen until 1910...unable to speak your own mind by voting.
And in some places in the US unable to eat dinner alone wihtout a husband or male relative to speak for you paying with your own money because if you were thus caught you were labeled a prostitute and could have been arrested as same.
Yeah, Western liberal rights...only those the men decided to finally, grudgingly, give you because of a few stalwart women.
Peace
Abdullah
Mrs. J,
Thanks, and what a refreshing thing it is to "see" a poster here with both manners and knowledge...I appreciate your clearing up that issue, however, I am more interested in this part:
"Isn’t such quotation in John 1:1 recognized by every Christian scholar of the Bible to have been written by a Jew named Philo Alexandria way before Jesus and John?
Please enlighten us..."
Peace
Abdullah
undaunted,
In the grand scheme of things you amount to something less than dryer lint and with one little puff of air you will be blown away...shooo now...
Peace
Abdullah
The CAIR sponsored Abdullah Mike Show!!
So bo-ring.
Does the Paid Deceiver of CAIR Dallas have to get the last word in in order to receive payment from his Arab paymasters.
What other reason could there be for such fatuous and utterly inane nonsense posted repeatedly by Abdullah Mikhail. This is the illiterate fool (illiterate in Arabic, his "holy" tongue)that said that dharaba means "sexual intercourse" in the context of Sura 4:34.
What a dummy or liar or both!
Listen idiot, read Sura 4:89. It's quite clear that apostates must be killed, UNLESS killing them breaks a treaty with a warring peoples.
Peace Out
Yankel
You have no idea what the "grand scheme of things" amounts to, boy. You'll find out soon enough.
You're known here as a slimy, pissy liar and the question remains: Instead of faking concern and asking if Robert has notified the FBI viz the on-going threats, have you offered to help him by using your great persuasive skills to turn young misguided Muslims from the evil of those threats?
Of course not.
Eternal war on your kind.
Undaunted
Abdullah, It is you who is "rambling on"
you display very well the the fruits you have willingly inherited from the false prophet. Arrogance & Ignorance.
This is your Allah:
He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a falsehood, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies and of all that is false.
Whom do you serve?
UNveiled,
This "rambling":
"HA HA, Bible verses are propoganda!! LOL Yes a propoganda for love."
"Quotes from scripture really get to you don't they?"
"Ask yourself why that is?"
"You are allowed to question yourself aren't you?"
Wanna focus on what the hell you were rambling on about or just babble some more? Use your brain pan...ask something intelligent, please...
Peace
Abdullah
Slave;
You telling someone to use their brain, mocking them for what you call rambling and babbling, is beyond irony.
And we're all waiting for your answer to my question. But you have none, do you, dirtbag? Because you'd like it if someone succeeds in carrying out one of these threats so the strong, wise voice of truth and reason with which Robert speaks is silenced... so you and your lies that are Islam can claim some sort of victory.
Everything about you sucks, boy.
War
Undaunted
Unveiled,
"And we're all waiting for your answer to my question."
What question is that?
You keep whining...what question?
Peace
Abdullah
Well, stupid; it's Undaunted asking the question, not Unveiled.
I'm not whining. You know perfectly well what I asked you. You're using the classic evasion tactic employed by those who don't want to answer a revealing question.
You are such a f*cking loser.
Abdullah Mikail wrote, in response to Yankel:
(I will simplify the meaning for you because obviously a lot of words tend to confuse you: If they are evil to you do not befriend them they are enemies [Duh, even you should be intelligent enough to figure that out… If they turn as enemies upon you fight them. [ Duh, even you should be bright enough to defend yourself…]
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I found this profoundly odd. Isn't Abdullah Mikail's entire reason for appearing on these threads a desire that we not use our common sense to defend ourselves against those who threaten and attack us and clearly declare themselves our enemies? [That would be Jihadists]
I think perhaps he let his rhetoric get a little ahead of himself in this case.
@AM:
Philo Alexandria introduced the philosophical concept of 'logos' to Jewish philosophy. He was a contemporary of John and Jesus (20 BC to 50 AD), but didn't write the actual phrase found in John 1:1.
As for what some other Bible scholars believe, I can't answer for them.
Abdullah Mikail needs to be apprehended and deported from the West.
"Abdullah Mikail needs to be apprehended and deported from the West."
I second that motion!
Abdullah,
I'm sorry you can't understand plain English.
I mean what I said.
I asked a question. Do you understand what a question is?
Are you ALLOWED by your slavemaster Allah to question your OWN thoughts?
You get agitated when anyone speaks the truth.
I am suggesting you should ask YOURSELF why that is.
???
It is because you cannot tolerate the truth due to the fact that you are a willing slave to a liar.
Think about that next time you are bowing to the kabba rock.
Undaunted,
Thanks for clarifying which question you were carrying on about. Though it is hardly deserves being addressed...Yes.
The Quran challenges human beings many many times to use their minds reason and thoughts to reflect on the truth and question even to the point of challenging the human to ask "What if there were more than one god?"
That you are unaware of this is no suprise.
Peace
Abdullah
Gravenimage,
Leave it to you to smack right on to the one tree you are focused on while missing the entire forrest.
What you proletariat do here is not defending yourselves from"Jihadists" you work yourselves up into apoplectic fits about terrorism and turn right around and start attacking Muslims, period. No justification for it other than religious bigotry take some jackass here yesterday coming at me with his "twin towers fell and it's your fault" projection...that is what you fo here.
All the reports are just fodder in the fields of your twisted imaginations where you justify religious bigotry and attempt to blame all of we Muslims who have nothing to do with anything reported here.
If knowing is half the battle you've already lost because you are fighting ghosts in your own imagination ... We are not your enemies so stop trying to paint us that way.
There is a legal and political system here in the US that is very useful in protecting minorities against extremists like you...all the lessons of the past demographics are before us and we innocent Muslim Americans will have our day in court if need be to stop evil peole like you fromcausinv trouble
Peace
Abdullah
back to your goat abdullah.
Abdullah,
Your superior, arrogant tone is quite amusing.
In your comments to Graven Image & Undaunted, your
lies catch you up again and again.
As for myself.
You don't want to discuss the concept of logos from the Greek root word as translated in John 1:1.
You just want to hurl insults because any hint of the truth disturbs you.
You can't "reflect on the truth" adequately when you are swimming constantly in a pool of lies and false accusations.
No, Slave; you arrogant piece of shit; you haven't answered my question.
My question posed here at least twice to you was this:
Since you claim to be so wise and compassionate as a slave of your "god", have you asked Robert for the full contact information on the many who have threatened him so that you can reach out to them and bring them into the peaceful light that is Islam. That is my question. It has been my question and will remain my question for, well... about one more paragraph.
Because I know you won't answer, "Yes, Robert and I have been communicating on this for a week of so..." Your answer will be to disappear from this thread as you do so often when your intellectual and spiritual betters here kick your petulant ass, or to feign ignorance that a question was posed at all, or to answer someone elses question and pretend it was the one I posed.
You're a pretentious, prissy, prancing, bitch. Not only are you so stupid as to give your life into Islam, you're stupid enough to believe we will embrace your delusional bullshit ~ that your "peace" mantra and "sagacity" has any of us fooled even a little bit.
That was two paragraphs. Fuck you anyway, boy.
Unveiled,
Mrs J. gave a very good responsible answer to my inquiry one I expected from a person of her caliber...she also reserved her opinion to herself and would not comment on what other biblical scholars stated.
What would you have me do with such a decent person?
Should I be an obnoxious twit like you?
Mrs J has both my respect and my appreciation.
Peace
Abdullah
Pathetic little tantrum it was hardly deserving attention...but since you are asking I should entertain you.
No I am not interested in communicating with radicals. Pull you big head out of your rump...people that far gone cannot be talked down from the ledge they are on. Federal authorities know this we classify them as "crazies" and they can not be reasoned with. I am concerned about Robert's safety and gave the best advice I could, contact the FBI.
And the only time I dissapear is when I have work to do...and I do a lot of work...so imagine yourself and others as having bravely vanquished your hated foe any time I drop off the board...in reality where do I go? I am off making sure that thousands of you and people like you will still be getting their checks next month and the month after that and the month after that...I create oportunity for them to earn and feed their children.
And I don't care who and or what they worship when I do it...but go right on with your bigoted views...it's a free country.
Peace
Abdullah
I can picture how Bobby's mouth started to water when he heard about this. He got on the horn with Pamela who had just finished pleasuring herself to the news of another honor killing. The dynamic duo will be on the scene again fighting against honor killings while remaining quiet about violence committed within miles of their own backyards and you simpletons will eat it up, just like you regularly feast on the feces presented at the trough like the Sodomites did before they were punished by God.
Cute. Because you work for the government, you think you're saving us from ourselves. That fits in perfectly with your savior complex which brings you here, eh?
We're "stupid" because we're not drinking the Islam kool-aid AND we're stupid because, in your galactically smug way of "thinking", we have to be stupid in order to justify your government job.
We need as little as possible of both your belief systems; Islam and the nanny state. So fuck off, ass-hole.
That goes for you, too, Dustan. The God who punished the Sodomites is a real God. And your idol & shitty "prophet", along with all their "true believers" will know soon enough exactly what the Sodomites now know. Dirtbag.
I do not seek your respect Abdullah.
Your best defence is to call people names.
and then type "peace"
Why should I discuss the book of John with you?
You wouldn't understand it because it is a book of profound love. You are not seeking love. You are running from it.
I am calling you a LIAR because that is what you do here.
Not to hurl an insult at you.
I hope you don't actually think anyone believes you.
You live in spiritual bondage and it annoys you when people see through you.
I'm a bigot because I won't decide to follow the lie that is Islam?
I'm a bigot because I hate a belief system which not only allows but encourages murder, rape, deceit, threats and arrogant, pushy morons like your deluded asses?
It's written: by their fruit ye shall know them. The fruit of Islam is misery, throughout history. Any fucking moron can see that. So, since you can't see it, that makes you worse than a fucking moron.
And I'm still a bigot.
War
Undaunted
Abdullah Mikail: Your statement that John 1:1 was written long before John by Philo of Alexandria being the position "of every Christian Bible scholar" is palpable nonsense. Philo may have had a logos-doctrine, but he did not write John 1:1
Here is a PARTIAL list of Christian Bible Scholars who DO NOT accept your statement:
Simon Kistemaker, Robert L. Reymond, John Calvin, Martin Luther, Augustine of Hippo, John H. Gerstner, Heinrich Bullinger, Thomas Aquinas, John Chrysostom, Ephraim Syrus, Huldrych Zwingli, Etiennes LeFevre d'Etaples, Desiderius Erasmus, John Knox, William Barclay, Thomas Barclay, J.H. Haldane, Kurt Marquardt, A.H. Strong, Alexander Cruden, Zakaria Boutros, Sam Shimoun, Shimoun Altaf, Karl Adam, Hans Kueng, Jacques Ellul, Etienne Gilson, Ceslaus Spicq, A.I. Soloviev, F.F. Bruce, J.O. Buswell, Charles Hodge, Archibald Alexander, Louis Berkhof, Dae-Gee Kim, John W. RObbins, Cornelius Van Til, Henry Van Til, Bernard Ramm, John Piper, Jaroslav Pelikan, Johannes Verkuyl, J. N. Darby, Tertullian, Cyprian of Carthage, Guillaume Farel, John Knox, Clive Staples Lewis, Francis Schaeffer, Robert Rayburn, David Jones, Wilber Wallis, Harold W. Mare, Samuel Rutherford, Charles Ryrie, James M. Boice, Herman Bavinck, Abraham Kuyper, Charles Chao, Lorraine Boettner, James Bannerman, Jan K. Van Baalen, James Denney, Martin Chemnitz, Herman Hoeksema, E. Swieson, John Murray, G.E. Ladd, Geerhardus Vos, Petrus Plancius, Johannes Damaskenos, Edward Ames, Eusebius of Caesarea, B.B. Warfield, George Buchanan, Polycarp of Smyrna, Irenaeus of Lyons, Thomas Watson, William Twisse, Peter Tong, James Usher, William Hendriksen, Johannan Ben Zebdai, Saul HaTarshish, Wolfhart Pannenberg, Karl Barth, Daniel Schleiermacher, Daniel Witsius, J.I. Packer, Ludwig Ott, Heinrich Heppe, Gordon H. Clark, Wyatt George, Chiang Pao-sen, Wen Zao-she, Philipp Melanchthon, Yu Jingxu...
Now, do me the courtesy of naming your so-called Christian Bible scholars who support your position. And, I doubt that you have ever read a line of Greek, whether in Philo or in the New Testament. As for _Ho Theos_ and _Ton Theon_, you've come upon the differences between a subject and an object in an Indo-European grammar. If you know a language like Farsi or Urdu, you'll probably see the same thing.
And, as for your scoffing at the number of Bible translations out there, how come Yusuf Ali, Muhammad M. Pickthall, and other translators of the QU'ran do not read alike? Chalk it up to the stylistic richness of the English language.
Yet another thread bloated with Abdullah Mikail's sophistry.
He offers such a cornucopia of half-truths, evasions, obfuscations, and poorly referenced claims, it's hard to know where to begin -- and hard to muster enough concern to give a shit (pardon my Arabic).
Just to pick one out of a turban: He chooses a translation of Koran 4:89 that artfully adds "renegades" thus making out the objects of Allah's and Mohammed's murderous prescription to be military enemies. In fact, the verse has no Arabic word for "renegades" there. The object in the verse are those who have "turned away". "Turned away" from what? Why, from Islam, of course! These who have "turned away" are contrasted with those who have "fled" from their evil ways to join Islam. If there was a context of physical violence in which these two groups figure, it was due to the trouble that Muslims were causing with their new obsession with what they fanatically believed to be the Absolute Truth about the Meaning of Life -- an obsession that escalated out of control and was causing mayhem and strife in the region -- similar to the strife and mayhem, for example, caused by the early Mormons who also obsessively believed they had the "Truth" and everyone around them who disagreed were evil (although the Mormons ultimately caused much less disorder than the Muslims did, and eventually the Mormons, unlike Muslims, have calmed down and, for the most part, with minor exceptions that prove the rule, have become decent citizens of the societies in which they live).
Kepha - well said.
Abdullah Mikail wrote:
There is a legal and political system here in the US that is very useful in protecting minorities against extremists like you...all the lessons of the past demographics are before us and we innocent Muslim Americans will have our day in court if need be to stop evil peole like you fromcausinv trouble ................
OK, now this is just ludicrous. I am a 5'1" woman artist who abhors violence. I illustrate children's books. In my spare time I teach kids to read, volunteer at a soup kitchen, and *rescue kittens*.
I have always expressed the importance of minority rights--especially the rights of the individual.
For Abdullah Mikail to claim that he needs to be protected from me is the height of idiocy. This is the victim mentality reducto ad absurdum.
And what have I done to earn this fear and loathing? I have expressed concern about an ideology that mandates a permanent state of war against unbelievers; that calls for suicide bombings and beheadings and the murder of civilians; that mandates the imposition of Shari'ah, which oppresses religious minorities and women, and imposes such penalties as amputation and public stonings; that allows for "honor killings"--the murder of wives and daughters--and, quite possibly, the killing of the poor woman in the story above.
That such concerns for the protection of the innocent is now posited as dangerous aggression represents nothing less than the very inversion of morality.
"nothing less than the very inversion of morality"
Welcome to Allah in Wonderland where Muslims, either out of mass psychosis or demonic possession (or both), out-Orwell Orwell in order to out-Herod Herod.
AM, do not try 'divide and rule' here. For the record, I find you insulting and childish. You think it's OK to insult people and call them names - you certainly aren't doing your religion any favours.
I will always reply to you with politeness and reason because of my Saviour's example. Christians are always asked to defend their faith and that is what I am doing.
I suspect that you throw out these questions as a distraction tactic, not because you have a real desire to discuss them. I do hope that one day God will open your eyes to the truth, and you will see that real peace and freedom come from following the real deal - Jesus Christ, who died in your place so that you can truly enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Being a shahid or even doing good works cannot get you there, because on your own you can never be good enough.
However, do not mistake my politeness for weakness - Jesus also sent his disciples out into the world armed with a sword - to defend themselves physically as well as spiritually.
I pray just as much for my enemies as I do for my friends.
Welcome to Allah in Wonderland where Muslims, either out of mass psychosis or demonic possession (or both), out-Orwell Orwell in order to out-Herod Herod.
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Thank you, Hesperado, for reminding me how irrational this stuff is.