I'm in the Koran!

I like the jihadwatch team part.
We should start collecting names for the JihadWatch Team and have JWers vote for best.

1. JihadWatch Infidels
2. JihadWatch Angels
3. JihadWatch Mo Foes
etc.

BTW - Didn't get a chance to compliment you Mr. Spencer for your courage in Germany. Great job Sir, keep up the awesome work. You always wear a suit and tie - please feel free to wear an Israel shirt sometime. Jew Lover

Spencer Said: " all these moral equivalence arguments suffer from the fact that only Muslims worldwide are committing violence and justifying it by reference to their holy book."

Really? So Operation Shock and Awe was what exactly? All the bombs dropped on Iraq and Afghanistan, all the civilians shot by trigger happy US soldiers, according to you these things don't constitute violence? LOL, now your hypocrisy and deceit is a trait the Quran does address and warns Muslims about!!! Also, does the US, or any other, constitution not permit resistance to occupation, was the US not born out of resistance? So what is the moral difference if the occupied resist and waves his constitution/flag to motivate and unite his people or if he uses the Quran? There is no moral difference! If only the US only fought in self defense, but the truth is they are waving their flag and tooting their national horns and Americanism to justify invading and occupying lands in a region that has nothing to do with it. The fascism and delusional belief of supremacy that runs through the brain washed US soldiers is resulting in the mass bombings of 100000s of people, shootings, torture and despicable treatment of Iraqis and Afghan in their own lands. Yet, this is ok, but when those Iraqis and Afghans choose to resist and use Islam as their unifying and motivating cause they are somehow the bad guys and Islam is the evil ideology.

Robert, again you manipulated and cunningly used the deaths of 3000 civilians on 9/11 to advance you own social, achievement, esteem and financial needs although my psych analysis of you tells me that you value the social recognition and acceptance aspects — which in turn increases your esteem — more than the financial aspect, because before you was just boring and dawky Robert who no one noticed....ahhhhhhhh,

So after 9/11 you found a niche market, a group of people who were blinded by years of false propaganda and Chuck Norris movies, and who would never accept that the USA could maybe not be selfless good guy that they have been brainwashed into believing and who would rather just point the finger at others, instead of accepting that 9/11, as wrong as it was, was a result of US foreign policy despite the "they hate our way of life" propaganda of that terrorist criminal Bush (may he suffer a painful death). But in the world of the corrupt imperialist fascist American politics that made sense, because to acknowledge the truth and reasons as stated by all Al-Qaeda videos (when listened to in whole, not the cunningly selected sound-bites used on media) would mean that they would have to change their fascist and hypocritical policies and it would undo the years of brainwashing through bias media, propaganda and Chuck Norris and other the "Americans are here" movies.

robert may be you should start a jihad hate mail blog some of these hate mailers are funny now i will not say there dumb but is the twinkle in their eyes really the sun shining in through their ears and were they not 21 before they learned to wave bye bye ???

Moejoe,

I've always preferred Bruce Willis 'Die Hard' movies over Chuck Norris.

Either way, I believe your rant perfectly illustrates that you are deluded, brainwashed and beyond psychiatric help, especially as you think we should all "acknowledge the truth and reasons as stated by all Al-Qaeda videos...."

Have you got Al-Qaeda's 'Best Of' video collection on your laptop? Do you watch a few minutes (or two hundred) before hitting the sack at night?

If Robert has stated something wrong or factually incorrect, point it out. Otherwise, bugger off and preach your hatred elsewhere.

You forgot about the conjunction, moejoe. Of course there are other examples of violence in the world "but only Muslims are committing violence AND justifying it by reference to their holy book".

At least today's hate mail example was semi-literate; with attempts at capitalisation, punctuation and sentences and stuff. Well done, hater!

Hi Robert Spencer,
Some of the muslim or shall say american
muslim convert..still don't understand...
What make them think that mohammad love
them...or mohammaden islam teaching is right...
what is good for moha.. what is bad for musl...
1400 year ago till today...musl,, fight,kill,rape
for moha..what did musl..gets..at the end of the
day.. moha goes to heaven cos did nothing bad..
musl... goes to hell cos did all the bad things..
72 virgins goes to moha..camel urine goes to musl..
Still don't get the picture than all american
muslims should read, read, read..THE KORAN (QURAN)..
That is why the Arabic Allah send the JEW/CHRISTEN
Angel Gabrieal to teach mohammad to read, read, read..

As usual, Muslims complain about the other fellow...its always the other fellows fault that they are having a miserable time conquering the world...

Is seems many people are unwilling to submit to Islam and the Muslims don't like it...

I am in the Koran!

LOL!Congratulations Mr. Spencer!

A female acquintance quipped: "I'd rather be in the Playboy".
She is a vegetarian and the Koran, according to her, is a butcher's manual. Some women are so picky...

They can never make up their minds, can they? One day you're an evil Joo, now you're Sheytan's little helper already..

MoJoe - Bruce Lee was much better than Chuck Norris.

Darth Vader is alive and well...Long live Darth...and his merry band of Darthinians...

"...instead of accepting that 9/11, as wrong as it was, was a result of US foreign policy despite the "they hate our way of life" propaganda of that terrorist criminal Bush (may he suffer a painful death)."

Moejoe | October 6, 2009 2:13 AM | Reply

Moejoe illustrates two underlying truths about Muslims.

First, he espouses a false moral outrage against imperialist US foreign policy, especially under Bush, by erroneously using it as an excuse for 9/11 which chronologically PRE-DATES any US excursion into Afghanistan and Iraq.

Second, by validating Al Qaeda as justified to attack the US pre-emptively, and not defensively, again, since the US under Bush launched no offensives into Muslim lands prior to 9/11, he reveals and reinforces the incompatability of Muslims to accept the secular US Republic system of democracy over Islamic law. Muslims cannot be both good Americans and good Muslims. They are mutually exclusive. To state otherwise is simply deception.

On the bright side, Moejoe's useful idiocy here is not lost. he actually does more harm than good to Islam's image by helping to undermine the myth of the "moderate" versus "extreme" juxtaposition, ultimately validating Spencer's position, albeit unwittingly.

I guess thanks are in order, actually.

If the glory-ass quran/Mein Qurampf "predicted" that Robert Spencer would be an enemy of mahound and his imaginary alter-ego, so how come mahoundians don't start their own clairvoyance service over the phone, you know, so they can keep funding their jihad once the oil runs out?

Ooh, I know why... All the predictions in Mein Qurampf are "retroactive", since they're usually "found" through word-meaning-twisting after something has become a fact, not beforehand. And who the hell would want to pay money to, for example, hear about a relationship that will not work out after it's already over? Or to get lottery numbers once they've been drawn?

Mr Robert Spencer has done nothing wrong or factully incorrect. The series of talks by Robert Spencer is to inform, explain and enlighten the American people about the origins of the koran and mohammaden islam.

Robert Spencer want to challenge the knowledge of the American muslims to a degree that they will try to find fault, lies, misinformation or disinformation in islam.

Robert Spencer is trying to do his level best to comprehensively explain the meaning of words, terms and expression used in the koran and by the followers of mohammad.

That's wierd...
I searched for Sura 6:121 and got this...

"And do not eat of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned, and that is most surely a transgression; and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends that they should contend with you; and if you obey them, you shall most surely be polytheists."

Robert, is he referring to all that Sauerbraten you ate in Germany? LOL

No, I am sure he is talking about "only listening to that which has been put down by Allah's Messenger(piss be upon him)".

But what is he talking about exactly?

Robert, you only speak the truth.
I have yet to see any mistakes in Qur'anic quotations or interpretations.
I certainly have trouble interpreting the book of Qur'anic fairy-tales.
I truly "once thought I was becoming possessed by demons trying to interpret it as a teenager, for crying out loud". Of course I was young and my mind was vulnerable. But I couldn't wrap my brain around the fact that people were peddling this religion as coming from God. To my young, sensitive mind, it could only be coming from an evil spirit(s).

It is a literal compendium of idiotic ideological material froma bunch of mad mullahs who were bent on conquest of the world. The arabs that followed after Muhammad simply added what "suited them the most advantageously in their conquest of lands, possessions and slaves, for the period".
But amazingly it has survived. Why? Because "they still want all the power" and they have set their sites much higher this time.

I feel sorry for Muslims. They are so gullible.
They have been indoctrinated since "near birth". They know nothing more than Islamic law, really.
It's not their fault that they were brainwashed by their parents, the clerics etc. They had no choice and neither did their parents. It is religious force-feeding(6:121) from generation to generation.
Blame the Qur'an. Blame Muhammad. Blame the followers. Blame Muhammad's psychopathic "fit-fakery" or the strange psychotropic plants that he consumed. I don't really know where to begin place the blame.

All I know is that "they're probably fine people at heart but they are certainly missing out on a lot of creative thinking by having their minds buried in the sands of the Qur'an".
Too bad!
All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible.
T. E. Lawrence

Qur'an 9:73 - "O Prophet! Strive against the Disbelievers and the Infidels! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end."

And

Matthew 13:49-50

"So it will be at the close of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous, and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.

Please explain to me how those are "equivalent." Never mind, because they're not:

1. The verse in Matthew doesn't specify any particular group of people.

2. The verse in the Koran specifically identifies all non-Moslems ("Disbelievers and Infidels").

I posted that on another site. Any comments? Suggestions? Improvements?

Which Mountain View? Santa Clara county or San Bernadino?

darcy -

Another thing to consider is that in Chritianity, God's forgiveness is always present. In Islam, Allah will "forget" your sins if you die fighting in the jihad. So in order to assure a Muslim's admission to Paradise, he/she must attempt to kill the infidel. None of that "turning the other cheek" business.

darcy,

I would add about Matthew 13:49-50:

1) the punishment of the evil is eschatological -- occurring at the end of history, by angels, not within history by human followers of God as it is many places in the Koran

2) We know from the larger context of the New Testament as well as Christian exegeses of it that the "evil" really means evil in most of the senses we value in modern times and that conversely the "righteousness" really means goodness in most of the senses we value in modern times -- of course with certain exceptions that are complicated, but certainly there is not the grotesque perversion of those ethical terms as there is in the Islamic context. While of course humans can pervert any terms even those originally meant otherwise, that is a different problem from when the original texts and their context is already grotesquely evil, as it is in Islam.

3) and finally, whether for good or ill (or, as is usual in life, both), a far larger number of Christians -- contrasted with Muslims -- have evolved over the past couple of hundred years to the point where they no longer take such passages literally: there has grown an increasing sophistication about understanding a deeper meaning to such passages and the use of allegory, symbolism, metaphor and so on: and there is even a basis for this sophistication in traditional Christianity itself, insofar as wise theologians of ages past knew that the Gospel is more concerned with the inner life the soul, the conscience, and the divine Holy Spirit that interacts with that inner life; and there has always coexisted in Christianity (along with more simplistic literal-minded understandings) a more sophisticated sense that symbolisms like hell and hellfire refer to the anguish of the soul cut off from God, not with literal fire burning flesh. This is a complicated issue, and many Christians today would sincerely dispute my take on this, and that's fine. The larger relevant point here is that far more Christians today have evolved to no longer take such passages literally, whereas the vast majority of Muslims still take everything in their texts literally : this has relevance insofar as a passage like Matthew 13:49-50 might inspire certain humans to do bad things: it would be less likely to do so, the less fervently literally followers take it, as happens all too often among Muslims with their texts.

Moejoe's "argument" above is, alas, all too common not only among Muslims (that's no surprise) but also among many non-Muslim Westerners, including innumerable non-Muslim Americans themselves.

There are some positions that are so preposterous, they do not deserve refutation. One of those positions is the one asserted by Moejoe: that modern secular warfare waged by modern Western nations is tantamount or equivalent to the religious violence perpetrated by Muslims. No one of basic level-headed intelligence would posit that. The West stopped waging relgiously based wars approximately 300 years ago. Indeed, the only wars since then that resemble religiously based wars have been those wars waged by the extreme Left: the fanatical French Revolutionary aggressions catalyzed by Napoleon; then a century later, the Communist Civil War in Russia; followed quickly by the fanatical quasi-religious ideologies of Nazism and Fascism (with Japanese Imperialism, its military ally, most decidedly religiously based). The wars waged against those various ideological fanatics, however, were not religiously based: they were framed as secular self-defense by the larger West that had long since outgrown its earlier religious war mentality. It is ironic that it has been the ideological matrix of Leftism (in the French Revolution, Communism, and Nazism) that has most resembled religious-based belligerence -- for this same Leftism has evolved into an amorphous mindset that in our time takes self-righteous umbrage at harmless window-dressing statements by George Bush referring to God in a vague context of the Iraq war, while they ignore the massively religious inspiration, justification and motivation of innumerable Muslims committing horrible atrocities around the world.

Moejoe is a raving madman very much like the government 52% of our citizens voted for in the last election.

One point of note to consider. Al Qaeda first justified attacking the United States because the Saudis asked for US help in defending them from Saddam Hussein. They rejected an offer of help from OBL and his merry band of jihadis. So our alleged religious war against Muslims was at the behest of Salafi or Wahhabi princes who didn't want the Islamic (but less so) Saddam Hussein taking their oilfields.

Yeah, that's a 'religious (civil) war' alright, but has nothing to do with Christianity being like Islam.

Hello Robert Spencer, See how your fame is growing.

moejoe:

From article: "all these moral equivalence arguments suffer from the fact that only Muslims worldwide are committing violence and justifying it by reference to their holy book."

(Moe Joe then responded by citing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.)

Your equivalence answer to the above statement makes no sense. We have no established religion here, we are a secular society. Regardless of whether or not the war was justified it was not a war based on any religion. So, can you come up with a real example of mass murder in the name of religion other than Islam?

By the way, do you beleive Al Quida was justified in 9/11?
Do you beleive Mohammad was a perfect man? (Already asked, but not answered)

Koran book learn'n followed by a Chuck Norris ass kicking. That never seems to get old around here.

Thanks for your input, tanstaafl and Hesperado. I learned more from your responses.

Hey, Mojoe! Are you Barack Obama? Sounds a lot like him. Everywhere he goes he says some of the same things you mention. Or maybe your a speech writer for him?

He (Obama) may not a be a muslim but he sure has talent to be one. More specifically he is the most talented lair to come along. His narrow misguided philosophy is directly opposite of traditional American values and he will be a one termer.

A little O.T. The elections of 2010 will be a blood bath for the current ruling party. Although the other party does not offer much hope because of their blind spot regarding Islam being the enemy.

The mailer's remarks are more or less a tacit admission that he really cannot support his position in a coherent fashion. It is little more than another juvenile taunt. Otherwise, it appears that Allah truly fears pagans. Poor little Allah.