Israel: Hmmm, maybe these arms sales to Turkey aren't such a good idea

Selling arms to Turkey by any western nation would be akin to selling them the rope to hang us with.

McCal,

I think you can trust Turkey, please keep an open mind. Let me elobarate:

1) Turkey has a large large christian contingent, they are mindful to their peoples.
2) This is the land where some of Jesus's "disciples" fled to like cowards after he (some say anyway)was cruxified. Never the less they respect their final resting place.
3) Within a decade Turkey will be part of the EU, they would not jepordise this simply due to Israeli thinking.
4) The Caliphate, that 6th pillar bastion of Islam was banished by small minded people in 1925 I think. Turkey obviously needs to be sensitive and in tune to the ME countries. If the Caliphate ever returns, Turkey wants to be in the frame.
5) You are in safe hands when holidaying in Turkey.
6) The turks play some good footbal but make crap washing machines. These are some of the traits you can find in the UK too.

So please, don't berate the turks, many of them will soon be your neighbours in the West.

Salam

From post above...So please, don't berate the turks, many of them will soon be your neighbours in the West.

There is no good reason to berate the Turks...but there is every good reason to berate Allah and his minions...Wherever they are in charge, there is trouble...The 'Religion of Peace' causes trouble...It always has and it always will...

"Turkey has a large large christian contingent, they are mindful to their peoples."
-- from a confused Muslim propagandist above

In 1914 more than 20% of the population of present-day Turkey was Christian. Constantinople in 1914 was 50% non-Muslim. What is the non-Muslim population of Turkey today? What happened in Turkey since 1914 to reduce that population of Armenians, Greeks, Jews? What happened in 1915. Anything? Nothing? What happened during World War II to the non-Muslims of Turkey? What happened in September 1955? (Hint: see "The Mechanism of Catastrophe" by Bryonis).

"This is the land where some of Jesus's "disciples" fled to like cowards after he (some say anyway)was cruxified. Never the less they respect their final resting place."

How big-hearted of the Muslims not to dig up the graves of the earliest Christians, which is what I suppose the Muslim poster-propagandist means when he says "they [the Muslims of Turkey] respect their [Jesus's disciples] resting place." I do, however, like that spelling mistake "cruxified."

"Within a decade Turkey will be part of the EU, they would not jepordise this simply due to Israeli thinking."

I don't know what this means, but I am certain Turkey will never be admitted to the E.U.

The last three points are even more comical, about "small minded people" (Ataturk?) and the abolition of the Caliphate, and tourism and football and washing machines do not rise above the level of objects of raillery.

"So please, don't berate the turks, many of them will soon be your neighbours in the West.

Salam"

Thank You Mohammedan for depressing me so early in the morning. Your smugness and Mohammedan air of "superiority" jump right out from your comment.

As Hugh so aptly referred to you - "A confused Muslim propagandist." Are you aware of how Ataturk described Islam?:

“Islam is an absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, a rotting corpse which poisons our lives."

It poisons EVERYONE'S lives in the 21st century Global Jihad and quest for Islamic Supremacy we are all suffering from immensely. Especially it's murdered and mass-murdered victims.

"I am certain Turkey will never be admitted to the E.U." -- Hugh

I hope you're right.

Salam my a***... If we're to talk about that, let's include the missing "i" in that word, so it'd look more like something that we infidels could gladly offer to mahoundians as a gesture of friendship: Salami, preferably with a happy chubby pig illustration on the label.

1) Turkey has a large large christian contingent, they are mindful to their peoples.

Suuure, especially when the object of the Turkish mindfulness is a million or so Armenians and Greeks whom they slaughtered with extremely mindful sadism. The mindfulness of Turks is still very much in minds of Bulgarians, Serbs and Romanians and quite a few other European nations whose people show increasing interest in the history, and historical enemy, of the West. It is Turkey’s apartness that thwarted last Turkish effort to sneak into the EU. As the awareness of malevolence of Islam grows in the mind of an average European the chances of Turkey’s admittance into the EU diminish.
Allah can stand on its head, make circles in the air and whistle through his nose – it won’t help the Turks.

Quaere: Why is Turkey in NATO? Is Turkish membership of any value, or is it a danger, to the effectiveness of NATO, as it must necessarily turn its attention away from Russia to the threat from Islam world-wide, and especially the threat, foreign and domestic, that Muslims who take Islam seriously, pose to the West, and the West's most important military alliance, NATO? Of what conceivable good, of what possible benefit, is Turkey in NATO to the other members of NATO? And why should Turkey be a member, and not instead a country that, is of far greater value, militarily and morally to that very West that NATO was originally established to protect -- that is, Israel?

It makes no sense for members of NATO to commit themselves to treating an attack on Turkey as an attack on themselves, when the Cold War is over, and a re-islamizing Turkey makes friends with Iran, and Syria, with a regime intent on undoing Kemalism, and determined to make Turkey firmly part of the Muslim world -- even if, at the same time, the regime of Erdogan is outraged by any attempts by Europeans to keep Turkey out of the E.U. Do the other members of NATO think the Turkish military would come to their aid, if any Infidel nation-state in NATO were attacked, from within or without, by Muslim forces? But NATO members are already under attack by the Muslims in their midst, who now constitute a grave national security risk, one at least as great as that posed by domestic sympathizers with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and under attack by Muslim forces, too, in Afghanistan.

Turkey is part of the very Camp of Islam that is the most dangerous threat to the West, and to what is the Western military alliance, NATO. It makes no sense to keep this Turkey, which is no longer the Turkey that once was a fit member of NATO because, under different circumstances, with a different enemy -- the Soviet Union was for the Turks their hereditary enemy, Russia, under a slightly different guise, and Turkey could and did offer troops (for the Korean War), and listening posts and airbases, but who could imagine Erdogan offering bases today, or any kind of military aid, that would be part of an Infidel coalition against what would be understood to be representatives of Islam.

It is especially maddening that Turkey, but not Israel, is a member of NATO. Israel is not merely an unshakable part of the West, but the Western world is, as all educated people used to know, not conceivable without the inheritance from Israel as from Greece and Rome. And now that Israel was re-established, after nearly 2000 years, in the ancient Jewish homeland, its disappearance would whet Arab and Muslim appetites, and would a deal a great blow -- understood by so few -- to the morale, and to the continued existence, of the advanced West, which is the world's best hope for a semi-decent model of existence.

Turkey has become a huge disappointment to the West, and it shows that in Islam recidivism is always possible when a population catches the Islamic bug. Here was a modernizing country close to being admitted to the EU, a part of NATO, allied with Israel, and all it took was a national glance backward, and now the country has fallen again into the swamp of Islamic "thinking", and the miasmal vapors are now crowding out rationality. If this is the path they have chosen let them cast their lot with the Muslims. They have become unreliable, at best.

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Hahaha!! The †yrqs "play good football"??!! I DON'T THINK SO!!

Remember how they attacked the Swiss after the Swiss beat them in †yrqy?

GREAT NEWS" †yrqy just got ELIMINATED in the qualifiers for the next World Cup :-)

That's what they get for insisting on playing in the European group instead of the Asian one where they properly belong.

moHAMedan losers.. NOT ONE moHAMedan country has ever won a World Cup, nor have they played in a final. Heck, they haven't even played for THIRD.

ROFLMAO!!

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Looks like this was covered already in Jihadwatch:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/al-qaeda-jihadists-plot-attack-against-2010-world-cup.html

Yup, sore LOSERS!

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I'm still trying to figure out how the poster above tells us that Turkey has a large Christian contingent. He must be reading a history book from well over 100 years ago if he is not an Islamic propagandist. The Islamic population of Turkey is well over 98 Pct. and one of the few small bastions of Christians can be found on the South coast of Turkey in Demre, once called Myra where the man who was most revered as Saint Nicholas (Santa Claus)once lived and his body is now buried in Italy because Turkey was becoming a Muslim Country.

So please, don't berate the turks, many of them will soon be your neighbours in the West.

Salam

Sounds like a threat to me......
You assume we don't know history or the Islamic definition of peace.

We aren't as stupid as you think Mohammed.

I think think the poster who mentioned Turkey's "large christian contingent" must not have visited Turkey within the last eight years. Turkey has changed alot, and not for the better.
With the election of the new AKP government, Turkey is becoming more and more Islamic. I see more and more women wearing headscarves and the black moving object costumes than in the past. There are no-go areas in certain cities for women who don't cover.
The Islamist government has tried to overturn the ban on government officials and students wearing headscarves as well as to pass a ban on alcohol in some areas. Fortunately, most of this hasn't happened. People outside of Turkey like to cite the "landslide victory" of the ruling party, yet fail to realize that they basically bought themselves into power, bringing bags of coal, foodstuffs, and money into some of the poorer regions of the country shortly prior to election time. I've also heard rumors that the AKP pays women to wear the headscarf. There are also ongoing investigations into voter fraud by this "political party".
Turkey is no longer the tolerant country it used to be. The minority Jewish and Christian students who I workd with when I was there tell me they intend to leave as soon as they graduate. They no longer feel safe.
Where does all this intolerance come from? Since the EU and US have stuck their noses into Turkish politics and economic conditions, citing "human rights", and "freedom of ideology", the Islamists feel comfortable to come and go as they please. I've often heard people mention that they wish that the army would take over again, saying that it's the lesser of all evils.
If you really want to know who rules Turkey, this website should give a clearer picture.

http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethullah-gulens-grand-ambition

I think think the poster who mentioned Turkey's "large christian contingent" must not have visited Turkey within the last eight years. Turkey has changed alot, and not for the better.
With the election of the new AKP government, Turkey is becoming more and more Islamic. I see more and more women wearing headscarves and the black moving object costumes than in the past. There are no-go areas in certain cities for women who don't cover.
The Islamist government has tried to overturn the ban on government officials and students wearing headscarves as well as to pass a ban on alcohol in some areas. Fortunately, most of this hasn't happened. People outside of Turkey like to cite the "landslide victory" of the ruling party, yet fail to realize that they basically bought themselves into power, bringing bags of coal, foodstuffs, and money into some of the poorer regions of the country shortly prior to election time. I've also heard rumors that the AKP pays women to wear the headscarf. There are also ongoing investigations into voter fraud by this "political party".
Turkey is no longer the tolerant country it used to be. The minority Jewish and Christian students who I workd with when I was there tell me they intend to leave as soon as they graduate. They no longer feel safe.
Where does all this intolerance come from? Since the EU and US have stuck their noses into Turkish politics and economic conditions, citing "human rights", and "freedom of ideology", the Islamists feel comfortable to come and go as they please. I've often heard people mention that they wish that the army would take over again, saying that it's the lesser of all evils.
If you really want to know who rules Turkey, this website should give a clearer picture.

http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethullah-gulens-grand-ambition

I think think the poster who mentioned Turkey's "large christian contingent" must not have visited Turkey within the last eight years. Turkey has changed alot, and not for the better.
With the election of the new AKP government, Turkey is becoming more and more Islamic. I see more and more women wearing headscarves and the black costumes than in the past. There are no-go areas in certain cities for women who don't cover.
The Islamist government has tried to overturn the ban on government officials and students wearing headscarves as well as to pass a ban on alcohol in some areas. Fortunately, most of this hasn't happened. People outside of Turkey like to cite the "landslide victory" of the ruling party, yet fail to realize that they basically bought themselves into power, bringing bags of coal, foodstuffs, and money into some of the poorer regions of the country shortly prior to election time. I've also heard rumors that the AKP pays women to wear the headscarf. There are also ongoing investigations into voter fraud by this "political party".
Turkey is no longer the tolerant country it used to be. The minority Jewish and Christian students who I workd with when I was there tell me they intend to leave as soon as they graduate. They no longer feel safe.
Where does all this intolerance come from? Since the EU and US have stuck their noses into Turkish politics and economic conditions, citing "human rights", and "freedom of ideology", the Islamists feel comfortable to come and go as they please. I've often heard people mention that they wish that the army would take over again, saying that it's the lesser of all evils.
If you really want to know who rules Turkey, this website should give a clearer picture.

http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethullah-gulens-grand-ambition

"Within a decade Turkey will be part of the EU, they would not jepordise this simply due to Israeli thinking."

HAHAHAHA!!! He thinks there will even be an EU in a decade. SSHHH listen carefully and you will hear the winds of change. Nobody wants you in their country.

Turkey is becoming less dangerous by becoming more Islamic. Talat Pasha looked more civilized when he wore his top hat but the fez fit him better.

I think is is amusing that someone(Yom) believes, or thinks that he can persuade others in here that Turkey has a large Christian contingent.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3432.htm

According to the above site, Turkey is just short of 100% Moslem. So, it is rather hard to argue that there is a "large contingent" of Christians there.

" This is the land where some of Jesus's "disciples" fled to like cowards after he (some say anyway)was cruxified. Never the less they respect their final resting place."

Here is another little slanderous gem. It is about as valid as the claim made. Can he provide a non-Islamist source for this?

"4) The Caliphate, that 6th pillar bastion of Islam was banished by small minded people in 1925 I think. Turkey obviously needs to be sensitive and in tune to the ME countries. If the Caliphate ever returns, Turkey wants to be in the frame. "

Well, that sounds like a good reason to kick them out of NATO and prevent them from entering the E.U. Also, I do not think many Turks would appreciate your calling Kemal Ataturk a small minded man.

There is a GREAT deal of misinformation regarding the
Israel-Turkey-Armenia relationship:

I will attempt to clear this up now:

Armenians are inordinately and unfairly angry at
Israel for its ties with Turkey which in fact are
not as strong as alleged. Many Armenians WRONGLY claim
that Israel does not recognize the Armenian Genocide
due to ties with Turkey. This is PATENT nonsense.
Every single Israeli (whether a citizen or government
official) has said on record that there was
a Genocide against the Armenians. Israel has said
this repeatedly..Israeli academics have said
this repeatedly. Jewish politicians in Congress
are in the forefront of promoting pro-Armenian
legislation and, most importantly, the US Holocaust
Museum in Washington, DC has a section dealing with
the Armenian Genocide. All too many Armenians
(not so much Armenian-Americans, but pro-Arab Armenians
in Lebanon, Syrian, Turkey and Greece) have falsely
labeled Israel and Jews anti-Armenian, which is total
crap. If there ever were two peoples with similar
shared experiences, it is the Jews and the Armenians.

It is the Armenian Prime Minister, Serge Sarkissian,
who perversely, needlessly and antagonistically provokes
Israel and Jews by inviting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Bashar
al-Assad and other anti-Israel leaders to Yerevan on
repeated occasions. Why is the Armenian government
taking the pro-Muslim and pro-Arab side ? Could it
be to protect Armenians in Arab lands ? Could it be to
promote trade ? Only an idiot would NOT be offended
by Sarkissian's clearly anti-Israel provocations. It seems
the Armenian government (I am not saying Armenian-Americans
across the board) is not siding with its natural ally, which
would be Israel. Just like Greece, for whom Israel
should be the natural ally, you have a situation where so many Greek leftists hate America and Israel more than they do Arab Muslims so they side with Arab Muslims who are hardly (historically or today) the natural allies of Greeks.

Has Israel, in the past, been close to Turkey ? Yes,
and not to my liking entirely. But so has Syria
and other Arab nations, and you don't see Armenia criticizing ARAB NATIONS for their relations with Turkey. Armenians are rarely critical of Lebanon and Syria (even overseas Armenians). One would think that increasing Shiite
domination of Lebanon and Alawite domination of Syria
would make many Armenians think twice, but it seems
many (perhaps not all) are thinking of familial commercial
interests back in Lebanon rather than their longterm
welfare (and I would, by the way, criticize any Lebanese
or Syrian Jew who did the same).

Armenia is playing a hypocritical game which many Jews do not like or appreciate yet Jews are still somehow sympathetic to Armenians.

Finally, now that there is a thaw (ironically enough)
between the Islamist government in Ankara and Yerevan
(note it is the secular parties in Turkey that are
more critical of Armenia), and Turkish-Israel relations
are deteriorating due to Erdogan's repeated slaps at
Israel's face (and I do not understand why Netanyahu
allows Israel to be repeatedly bitchslapped by Turkey over and over again), what is Armenia's excuse now about antagonizing Israel and global Jews who are naturally sympathetic to Armenian interests ?

My posting may offend some Christian Arabs or Maronites
or Melkites (like Mr. Spenser) who are GENUINELY
sympathetic to Israel, and god knows, there are
many Maronites, Melkites and Eastern Rite Catholics
who are, but the words and actions of PM Sarkissian
and some Armenian nationalists who are on record
with anti-Israel and even anti-Semitic comments,
speak for themselves. I can understand why that
babboon-faced imbecile Ahmadinejad is an IslamoNazi,
but I do not understand why there is not more
pro-Israel feelings among Armenians (Actor Eric
Bogosian and Filmmaker Atom Egoyan aside). Hell,
even famous Armenian-American writer Walter Saroyan
made Jewish cracks and I do not understand why.
I always grew up respecting the Armenians. The Armenian
Genocide is not what is at issue; it happened, there
is no doubt about it, but why do so many Armenians
pick on Israel when the Armenian Archimandrite
is given protection and much money by the Israel
Government in Jerusalem ? Would they prefer to
live in Hamasastan ? NOTE THAT THE KURDS WHO ARE
NO FRIENDS OF TURKEY AHD HAVE SUFFERED AT THE
HANDS OF THE TURKS ARE ONE OF THE FEW PRO-ISRAEL
(OR AT LEAST NOT ANTI-ISRAEL) MUSLIM GROUPS IN THE MIDDLE-EAST. THERE IS LITTLE KURDISH ANTI-SEMITISM OR ANTI-ZIONISM.

Salaam,

First of all let me say that I am not a "Mohammedian, Mohoundian, apologist etc"....I am only a muslim with an opinion no more no less. You have now become so biased at JW that this nonsense/new dictionary words are almost unacceptable to this new PC age...please rafrain from use; thank you.

If Turkey joins that EU, you will not only do business with 70M muslims...but there are upto 10M non-muslims too. So you see they will wnat to come to you too....and it is recoprical.

i.e. Many Germans, British, French (and at a push...the Danish) will come and do business/settle in Turkey.

Indeed I think that this scenario will make it impossible for Turkey to ever become an Islamic republic like my beloved Pakistan for example.

This is a win-win situation, you children will play with their children soon....

with love

Yom

Any non-Muslim entity that sells serious Infidel weaponry to any kind of Muslim entity is an idiot.

Sooner or later, the Muslims will use those weapons - invented, and very often made, by non-Muslims - against the non-Muslims.

The non-Muslim who provided cannon technology to the Muslims, made possible the fall of Constantinople. Had he been less greedy, or less stupid, he would not have done it, and history might have been significantly different.

No more arms sales to Muslims.

"If Turkey joins that EU, you will not only do business with 70M muslims...but there are upto 10M non-muslims too. So you see they will wnat to come to you too....and it is recoprical.

i.e. Many Germans, British, French (and at a push...the Danish) will come and do business/settle in Turkey.

Indeed I think that this scenario will make it impossible for Turkey to ever become an Islamic republic like my beloved Pakistan for example.

This is a win-win situation, you children will play with their children soon...."

This new remark by the same Muslim (Pakistani) poster is revealing. It shows a misunderstanding of the non-Muslim world. There is misunderstanding is as to fact: "up to 10 M. Muslims [in Turkey]." There is the hope -- the hope that all those non-Muslim businessmen will arrive in Turkey -- "many Germans, British, French (and at a push...the Danish" who will come "and do business/settle" in Turkey. Of course business will be done, or can be done, with Turkey without Turkey being in the E.U., and it is flatly untrue that more non-Muslim businessmen will, in the future, be arriving in Turkey or any other Muslim land. It is now highly undesirable -- can our Pakistani propagandist, who himself is, I think, distressed by Islam (but doesn't dare admit it to himself, for how can he?) and is somehow hoping that proximity to, contact with, the Western world will dilute Islam, will save Muslims, or to start with the Muslims of Turkey, from their own Islam-prompted failures, political, economic, social, intellectual, and moral.

And then he calls his vision of Turkey in the E.U. "a win-win situation, you [sic] children will play with their children soon...." But the non-Muslim indigenous peoples of Western Europe -- in Great Britain, in France, everywhere -- have had their experience of Islam, have seen those Muslim children, have seen their mothers in their burqas or hijabs, have seen their idle husbands lolling on unemployment, or committing crimes, or making demands, and ever more demands, for changes in the laws and customs of the countries within which they have so generously, and naively, been allowed to settle. The peoples of Europe have had that experience, and that is perhaps the most important reason why they now oppose, and will oppose more and more as time goes on, the entry of Turkey into the E.U.

As for Pakistan, eventually the Americans will tire of trying to make that place better and stop lavishing aid upon it. Pakistanis can ask the Arabs -- who after all brought them once that great "gift of Islam" -- now to pay for them. For economic backwardness is a permanent feature of Islam, both because inshallah-fatalism (which is merely a Qur'anic version of the pre-Islamic ways of the Arabs, who relied not on their own industry, but on that of others, the fruits of whose labor they would then steal in raids) and because of the Islamic hatred of bid'a, innovation. It is only right, then, that those who inflicted Islam on others -- the Arabs -- should now share their oil revenues with the Pakistanis and all other non-Arab Muslims who have suffered economically (and in all other ways) from that Arab gift of Islam.

Reparations. Its time has come, in the world of Islam. A transfer of wealth from the richest (Gulf) Arab states, to the 80% of the world's Muslims who are non-Arab, and who have been made to abandon, in many cases, any interest in their own pre-Islamic pasts.

Reparations, and how.

The Arabs should give reparations and the Right of Return to the 800,000 Jews kicked out of North Africa, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. While the Muslims whine about Palestinian
'reparations' they should be reminded that (ironically enough) it was the Arabs themselves who helped to populate Israel by disenfranchising, raping and massacring Sephardic Jews in Arab Progroms and forcing their relatives to immigrate to Israel (many Sephardic Jews would have gladly stayed in North Africa or Iraq if they were treated as human beings; some voluntarily made Aliyah to Israel and many involuntarily). While we are on the topic, Medina should also be returned to the Jews from whom it was stolen by Muhammad.

'Ya gotta' love' that Yom poster. In just a few sentences he told everyone what a vile piece o' S*** he is. May his devil-god give him some extra virgins in Hell.

Our Mohammedan (or fake Mohammedan?) dementor, Yom al Jumah, sez -

"you [sic: for 'your'?] children will play with their [Muslims'] children soon".

Ah yes. Let's remind ourselves what Muslim children can be like. I have a large e-file which I have called 'wounded souls', devoted to the monstrous psychological damage that Islam very frequently wreaks upon human beings.

Here are a couple of deeply saddening, and also deeply disturbing, reports about the demeanour and the games of Muslim children, that I have come across, posted by people who have commented here.

In 2004 a poster named 'bluewisteria' posted this story in the jihadwatch comments forum,

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/06/rumsfeld-fears-losing-war-on-islamic-extremism.html#comment-32144

describing the conduct of a family of Mohammedan children that had been invited to an [infidel] birthday party:

"The people in America need to wake up.

"I was at a party for a friend of my son.

"The neighbors, Muslims, were invited.

"Only the children came: 2 boys about 7 and 5 and a little girl about 3 or 4.

"The boys would not let her [their sister - dda] eat at the table.

"Then we sat her at the table with all the other children and those boys made sure she did not eat by intimidation.

"I encouraged her, but then when I moved away she stopped eating.

"So when the children were done we moved the food outside and the little girl sat and ate at the picnic table alone.

"Then when it was time to line up for the pinata, we put the little girl first after the birthday girl since she was the youngest, and the boys followed in order of age youngest to oldest.

"While the birthday girl was hitting the pinata, the boys rearranged and all of a sudden the little girl was off to the side--out of the line and the boys were in line with the oldest first.

"She was the quietest, non-smiling, saddest little girl I have ever seen and the boys were arrogant and difficult.

"Already the children were indoctrinated into the cult.

"There was no attempt at assimilation and nor will there be--probably until the little girl gets to school and is away from those boys. The mother could not leave the house.

"This is a belief system that is 100 percent incompatible with American values, and the Americans will not accept this."
- Posted by: bluewisteria at June 7, 2004 1:45 AM

Not very encouraging, is it?

I'll post the second story in a separate comment.

Now, here is my second story: the Games that Some Muslim Children Play.

It appeared here in a posting by 'libbysmom' made on 30 September 2006. It describes the game that her son saw Muslim children - in Canada - playing.

Click on this link

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/09/norwegian-blogger-political-correctness-is-more-important-than-life-itself.html#comment-183778

and you will find the story in situ: I reproduce below the relevant portion of the posting.

The 'you' whom she addresses toward the end of her account, is a highly Politically Correct Norwegian blogger whose article the comments thread was discussing.

"...I live in a mostly Muslim neighbourhood, and the largest shia mosque in my city is a block from my house. During the recent war in Lebanon the majority of cars in my neighbourhood flew the Lebanese flag as well as one proclaiming "Hezbollah!". I allowed fear to rule my actions then. I decided not to fly an Israeli flag from my car, even though my children wanted me to. In other words, I gave up my right to free speech. I am still upset with myself for not flying my flag, but at the same time, I think it is probably why I still have a house and my car still has windows. What would you have done in this situation, assuming that you are an ardent supporter of Israel?

"One more, please: this past summer, my eldest son was hired as a security guard. He was gurding the new Habitat For Humanity houses being built, and these were in the very heart of the Muslim area.

"All of the homes were being built for Muslim families.

"My child had been on duty for only an hour when he called, nearly in tears.

" Now, this child is 19, he's 6'2", a black belt in karate and has since signed up for Army ROTC- in other words, it takes a lot to rattle him.

"However, he called me to come and sit with him for a while, because the neighbourhood children had been outside playing.

"Their game? Suicide bomber meeting his virgins.

"The children, all between 8 and 12, had made a pretend suicide bomb belt with pop cans serving as the bombs.

"The bomber would run up to a small group of younger boys who were being 'the Jews' - my son understands quite a bit of Arabic.

"Anyway, the bomber would run into the Jews, pretend to blow himself up, and then the little girls waiting on the other side of the street would begin their trilling screaming, clapping and smiling, and would wave the bomber over to them, covering him with hugs when he arrived.

"This is what so upset my child. How would you { i.e. Mr Politically Correct - dda} have responded to seeing this?"

And just to finish off, I will provide a little something from John Roy Carlson, "From Cairo to Damascus' (1951), in 3, Green Shirts and Red Fezzes, section 'A Glimpse of Native Life' (in Egypt, between Cairo and Damanhur), p. 73 - "I saw an elderly woman walking with a heavy steel rod balanced on her head: riding ahead of her on a donkey was her husband...As we drove past a train station, *we saw children who had tied a scrawny dog to the tracks and were gleefully awaiting the approaching train* {my emphasis - dda; note that Carlson seems not to know, or does not think to mention, that sharia decrees that dogs are unclean and must not be kept as pets, a rule that creates an environment in which cruelty toward dogs becomes the norm}. In a land where children are beaten and abused, affection for an animal is unheard of, and savagery is the rule of life".

Now, children can be cruel in any society. But I think, somehow, that 'Murder-Martyr Bombers and Virgins' makes 'Cowboys and Indians' look pretty tame; and in *our* society, children who were caught tying a stray dog to the railway tracks so it would be crushed to death and cut to pieces by the oncoming train, would be viewed with horror.

DDA,

I have invited you before to come to mosque with me, if you need to verify my credentials....you have always been a no-show on this front.

The offer is still available...and I am very friendly to kafaria.

If you are not interested ...you should not doubt me.

NAKAL wrote:

"Armenians are inordinately and unfairly angry at
Israel for its ties with Turkey which in fact are
not as strong as alleged. Many Armenians WRONGLY claim
that Israel does not recognize the Armenian Genocide
due to ties with Turkey. This is PATENT nonsense.
Every single Israeli (whether a citizen or government
official) has said on record that there was
a Genocide against the Armenians. Israel has said
this repeatedly..Israeli academics have said
this repeatedly."

Well, you are wrong. Israel does not recognize the Armenian Genocide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ArmenianGenocideRecognition.png

Israeli politicians have denied and marginalized the Genocide.
For example, here is a quote from Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres:
"We reject attempts to create a similarity between the Holocaust and the Armenian allegations. Nothing similar to the Holocaust occurred. It is a tragedy what the Armenians went through but not a genocide."

http://www.anca.org/action_alerts/actionalerts.php?aaid=23

There is a book written by an Israeli scholar Yair Auron about this very topic.

The Banality of Denial: Israel and the Armenian Genocide

hhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076580834X

HOWEVER, individual Jewish Americans including some American politicians of Jewish heritage and Israeli politicians and scholars have been stalwart foes of Turkish denialist efforts and have played a central role in the documentation and affirmation of the Armenian Genocide most notably Henry Morgenthau, Armin T. Wegner, Franz Werfel, Israel Charny and Adam B. Schiff.
There are many others I haven't listed.