What could go wrong? They repented! "Libya frees 'repentant' Islamists," from the BBC, October 15 (thanks to all who sent this in):
Libya has released 88 Islamist inmates, some of them belonging to a group with suspected links to al-Qaeda, the country's state-run charity has said.
It said among those freed were 45 members of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, which had been accused of trying to oust Col Muammar Gaddafi's regime.
The militants had been in prolonged talks with Tripoli to reach a deal to renounce violence and win the release.
"Renounce violence." Apparently working for their goal -- imposing Sharia -- by means other than violence is just fine.
It said among those freed were 45 members of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, which had been accused of trying to oust Col Muammar Gaddafi's regime."
In other words, promise to stop fighting the rule and regime of Colonel Gaddafi (now in his fortieth year of rule, in length of despotism exceeded only by Fidel Castro), and fight the Infidels. Gaddafi has possibly persuaded some that he has been misunderstood; he is not an enemy but rather a promoter of Islam. Of course, the freedom comes with a caveat which the Western press does not report: break your promises, and your families will be killed. Just make war on the real Infidels, the non-Muslims. And if you obay, we will give you a house, a job -- and your families too -- for as long as it takes.
It's the same technique employed by the Saudis. Convince as many of the prisoners that you are, despite corrupt appearances, good Muslims who are furthering Islam. Offer bribes to all you will cease to fight you.
Come to think of it, it is the technique that some in the West advocate using. Pay, and pay, and pay, practically everyone in Islam, with as much aid as can be diverted from spending on one's own Infidel taxpayers, in trhe hope that they will take this bribe, this "reconstruction" or "nation-building" or whaterver it is called -- the water projects, the roads and bridges, the schools with the sweetly-smiling schoolchildren (photographed so often by the photographers to show that just as their "ordinary moms and dads" are just like our moms and dads, so are their children just like ours -- because from a photograph of Musilm children going to a school you see only, and your heart is tugged by, the poverty and the lack of school supplies. What you do not see, what you can never see from a photograph, and that many Americans in Iraq or Afghanistan or Pakistan or at whom do not recognize or understand, is what is fed to those minds, not necessarily in school though schools in the Muslim world do not have a record of transforming Muslim Believers into Unbelievers, just into Believers who are less primitive and more adept at expressing, explaining, acting out their hostility that becomes, so quickly, whipped up into hysteria and murderous hate.
How much of his life sentence did William Calley spend in jail..............ohhh yeah 3 years under house arrest. The only conviction was a token conviction to appease peoples condemnation.
How long did it take for Hugh Thompsons actions to be recognized and honoured? Ohhhh yeah 30 years. I wonder what the Robert Spencers of those days made of that massacre, no doubt they justified it, reduced its significance, made excuses and ultimately felt nothing as the those who died "were not humans" So said many a US Generals'
Hugh, it is interesting how the US dealt with the Algerian pirates early in our history. Since American had rebelled from Britain, the British navy no longer extended its protection to our merchant navy. Muslim pirates began to seize American vessels and hold them for ransom.
In the halls of Congress, members where heard to exclaim - "Millions for defense, but not a penny for tribute!"
Be nice if the Obama administration would......................what am I thinking? They are totally clueless.
I wonder what the Robert Spencers of those days made of that massacre, no doubt they justified it...
Huh? The Robert Spencers of that day? You know what the Robert Spencers of that day thought? Did all of those Robert Spencers think the same thing? How many Robert Spencers were there in those days? 10? 50? Thousands? Not that many? Were they clones or something? How do you really know that all these Robert Spencers justified a massacre? And are you an idiot?
nabi ZK (pbum)
"The Robert Spencers of those days" I'll clarify that the megaphones of those times for the "Neo Con Americanist Christian Fascist Extremist"
A "repentant" jihadist is a Muslim engaging in taqiyya to make him look better so he gets out of a sticky situation and can then go back to doing what he's always done: planning to kill infidels and killing infidels.
jowen - maybe you'd like to explain what a "Neo Con Americanist Christian Fascist Extremist" is. Of course, this is a disturbing formulation only a freak like yourself could come up with. You clearly don't know Robert Spencer and his work that well if you think he's anything like what you think he is.
From post above..."Neo Con Americanist Christian Fascist Extremist"...
They may exist...but they are a minute minority, a tiny segment, just a few radical extremists who misunderstand Christianity...neither one of them have political power...
The neo communist, anti-American Marxist, narcissist extremist, Rasulullahhaha Obama, has stolen the political power, and won't give it back...In 2010, 2012, or sooner, we will have to take it away from him...
jowen,
I fail to see any cogent argument against the reporting of this story. Do you declare it to be inaccurate in any way?
By your "logic", once an atrocity was commited by man in historical reference, no further commentary or condemnation of any other atrocity is acceptable.
And by the way, what was the Rowbert Spencer thinking about the native Americans during Columbus' time?
I understand that it is difficult to process and accept the absolute truth that there is a global movement against all things and persons non-Islamic and that it undeniably derives from the ideology of Islam itself, but this mindset of liberal self-loathing will only mean, at best, that the jihadists kill you last.
No thanks, and don't you have some community service duty to do, or something, instead of trolling here and generating complete straw-man arguments about the positions of the "Robert Spencers" throughout history?
Seriously.
I just wonder if Robert Spencer has a time machine............that would explain why there are so many of him. (re:jowen's post)
Of course, Sherman and Mr. Peabody had the Wayback Machine.
Awake - 'jowen' is a Muslim sharia-enthusiast, nothing more, nothing else.
Go to the end of the thread in the recent story posted here on Oct 13 2009 about Somali Muslims chopping off hands of people alleged to have been thieves - 'Somalia: More Amputations For Theft' - and you'll see an exchange between jowen and me about the apostasy law.
jowen in that exchange made it quite clear that it regards apostasy from Islam as a capital crime equivalent to treason. 'jowen' would therefore, presumably, approve and applaud if some Muslim assassin executed Rifqa Bary, or Nonie Darwish, or Wafa Sultan for their 'treason' and 'conspiring against the ummah'; quite possibly jowen would not hesitate to carry out the dirty deed itself if opportunity presented.
It may be worth mentioning something curious that is discussed by Nonie Darwish in her book 'Cruel and Usual Punishment', in section two, Sharia: The State, chapter five, 'life behind the Muslim curtain', section entitled 'allah's enforcers: vigilante justice'.
After noting that 'the following Shafi'i Sharia law puts punishment for the following crimes not only in the hands of the judiciary but in the hands of the public - "there is no expiation [punishment] for killing someone who has left Islam, a highwayman, or a convicted married adulterer, even when someone besides the khalifa kills him". In other words, a killer - outside the authority of the state - of an apostate, a robber or an adulterer, cannot be punished and is forgiven for murder under Sharia law {a bit later on, Nonie observes how easy it is therefore for someone to say - falsely - that they killed so-and-so because the victim was 'an adulterer' or 'an apostate', in order to get off scot free -dda}.
Nonie then adds:
"The following is also codified Shafi'i law - "A criminal, even if [he] repents, will not be spared from punishment *except for the crime of Hiraba*." The explanation section states, 'Hiraba means violation of public safety by disrupting law and order due to attack of a united group. Plunder of property, rape, murder, and bloodshed is included in this'." {Hmm: seems that whatever is meant by 'highway robbery' in the 'law' that was just mentioned, must not be the same kind of thing - if on the one hand, *anyone* can kill a 'highwayman' or 'robber', but on the other hand, if a mob of thugs has been committing rape, murder and plunder on the grand scale, all they have to do is 'repent' and nothing will happen to them.
'Cruel and Usual Punishment', p. 144.
So it seems that Gaddafi may be observing the sharia principle that if perpetrators of 'hiraba' "repent", they should be let off.
the "Neo Con Americanist Christian Fascist Extremist" ...
So you are an idiot?
nabi ZK (pbum)
...mohamet eats turds in hell ...
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