Once again we see rage and fury over a rumor. "Afghans protest rumored desecration of Koran by U.S. troops," by Laura King in the Los Angeles Times, October 25 (thanks to Pamela):
Hundreds of angry protesters in Afghanistan's capital today burned an effigy of President Obama, acting on rumors that American troops had desecrated the Koran.U.S. military officials emphatically denied that any copies of the Muslim holy book had been mishandled, and accused the Taliban of spreading falsehoods to incite hatred against Western forces....
And while it is perfectly reasonable and understandable that the military would issue such denials, it also serves to validate the ridiculous and dangerous assumption that it is perfectly legitimate to go beserk if a Koran were desecrated.
The incident also pointed to a strong undercurrent of anti-American sentiment at a politically fraught time in Afghanistan, less than two weeks before a runoff to settle a divisive, fraud-tainted presidential election. The Nov. 7 face-off between President Hamid Karzai and former Foreign Minister Abdullah Abdullah was agreed to only after heavy U.S. pressure on Karzai to accept the results of an international audit. The investigators found as many as one-third of the ballots cast for Karzai in the Aug. 20 election had been fraudulent. That put the Afghan leader below the threshold of victory, 50%.On Sunday morning U.S. news shows, both candidates ruled out a power-sharing agreement to avoid the runoff. Against this political backdrop, the Koran protest reflected a rising religious conservatism even among some members of Afghanistan's educated elite, such as the university students who made up most of the crowd of about 1,000 demonstrators.
Police fired warning shots into the air when the demonstrators marched from Kabul University toward the parliament, but no injuries were reported.
Several marchers insisted they were certain that a Koran had been desecrated by U.S. troops in Wardak province, just outside the capital, even if they could not provide particulars of the incident, such as when it was believed to have taken place.
"Muslims were disrespected!" said Zabiullah Khalil, an engineering student. "The foreigners shot the Koran, and then they burned it. They should be tried for this."
The demonstration, like many in the capital, had a heartfelt yet orchestrated feel to it. Khalil, like a number of other participants, expressed broad anger at the United States in connection with the election and its disputed aftermath.
"We don't want a slave government," he said. "We want a real Islamic country."...
And that you shall almost certainly have.
"Hundreds of angry protesters in Afghanistan's capital today burned an effigy of President Obama" ..now, now! ..is this any way to treat a NPP winner? And I see that O's peace strategies are working.
Another "This Is Why You're Poor" moment: One cannot build a stable society, and therefore, one cannot build a prosperous society without self control and anger management. What Hugh has referred to as the "atmospherics of Islam" are not conducive to self control or anger management -- not when domination, "honor," and revenge are matters of entitlement, and violence is not only accepted as a way to solve problems, but made sacrosanct by Islamic teachings on jihad.
"Hundreds of angry protesters in Afghanistan's capital today burned an effigy of President Obama"
HA-HA! Sorry, but I gotta love that! Hey Hussein - your own people who "have a proud tradition of tolerance" (see: Cairo speech, LOL!) are murdering you in effigy! Gotta love that Islamic "tolerance!"
Just what you deserve with all your disgraceful appeasement and pandering and bowing and scraping and apologizing for America to the Mohammedan Barbarian countries. HA-HA!
Hey Hussein - winning those "hearts and minds" of the allah-worshippers? Must repeat: LOL!
Mohammedans - I have a paperback Koran (to "Know the Enemy," just as Thomas Jefferson did) and I'm going to put it in the toilet tonight. I can "disrespect" Islam ALL I WANT. I hate Islam. You got a problem with that? I COULDN'T CARE LESS!
"Muslims were disrespected!" said Zabiullah Khalil, an engineering student. "The foreigners shot the Koran, and then they burned it. They should be tried for this."
And this is from a supposedly educated person. It is the mindset of a primitive. If this is Afghanistan's elite, it will remain a poor and desolate country, and not simply in the physical sense.
Announce: Infidel Shoots Koran
Muslims Riot
Announce: Israelis use Palestinian body parts
Muslims Riot
Announce: Jews planning to desecrate al-aqsa
Muslims Riot
Announce: Christian man to marry Muslim woman
Muslims Riot
Announce: Hindus to build on mosque site
Muslims Riot
What difference does it make if its true or not. Would the riots be any less violent? Would the condemnation of Jews, Christians, etc. be any less toxic?
Fuggedaboutit!!!!!!!
Remember, these are savages who hear with their eyes and think with their feelings. They laugh when they hurt you and they squeal when you hurt them.
"Muslims were disrespected!" said Zabiullah Khalil, an engineering student. "The foreigners shot the Koran, and then they burned it. They should be tried for this."
And this is from a supposedly educated person. It is the mindset of a primitive. If this is Afghanistan's elite, it will remain a poor and desolate country, and not simply in the physical sense. - Worry01
Yeah - we need to get the heck out of there and leave them to themselves. And no aid whatsoever.
Warlord Muhammed is responsible for this barbarism that exists into the 21st century. He should be tried and convicted "in absentia" for perpetrating a Hate Crime against the world, namely, Islam.
"Muslims were disrespected!"
Muslims were, are and will be disrespected.
A moslem-respecting Infidel has lost respect for himself.
What is it with Moslems and rumors? Sheesh.
"Muslims were disrespected!" said Zabiullah Khalil, an engineering student. "The foreigners shot the Koran, and then they burned it. They should be tried for this."
Welcome to the modern world, we will desecrate your book just for fun, to watch you run wild you crazed idiot ... the more wild you get the harder we will laugh at you. You are high comedy to us.
"Muslims were disrespected!"
Funny ...they wrote the book on disrespecting others! ..yeah, it's called the Qur'an, et al.
They carried a banner with " No Democracy- we want just Islam" and Islam will remain when America and the allies are gone.
After all the outreach programs, the hearts & mind affairs, the bridge building, school and mosque building, dam building, electricity and roadworks will be exploded, destroyed or fall into disrepair as if it never happened.
We gave our best and brightest. We sacrificed their blood on the altar of political correctness, for the worship of some imaginary kind of humanitarian warfare to bring the barbarians out of the darkness.
All we did was rearrange the rubble.
We blew billions, we killed some of them but by far not enough. That's how it will be. And it will not make one iota different if we leave now, next year, in five years or in 20.
Democracy under Islam?
Those who dreamed that up should have the decency to resign or check themselves into mental institutions.
It won't happen.
But Islam will continue until it is destroyed or it destroys us.
From the article, words of a Muslim:
"We don't want a slave government," he said. "We want a real Islamic country".
Actually mate, you turn Afghanistan into a 'real islamic country', and a slave *society* is what it will be.
Islam *is* a system of slavery, through and through. Slavery - one person taking another human being and deliberately treating that human being as if he or she were an animal or even just an inanimate object, a tool or a plaything, to be used or even, if the slavemaster feels so perversely inclined, just mindlessly smashed/ taken to bits for fun - is the fundamental paradigm in Islam. It is how the relationship between the divine and the human is imagined - allah the war-demon is a capricious murderous despot who cannot be trusted. It also appears to be *the* paradigm for the relationship between ruler and ruled, between man and woman, between Muslim and non-Muslim. The Dominator has the right to *destroy* the dominated...and indeed there seems to be a sense that anything short of domination-to-the-point-of-destruction, is less than ideal.
The same Muslim whom sharia permits to feel entitled to domineer over and use and abuse all females and all non-Muslims, without recognising any moral limit or boundary (for if there *were* any boundary, the allah-style Domination of the prey/ slaves would be limited, incomplete, imperfect; so that the ultimate expression of Dominance becomes rape, torture and murder of a victim who is reduced to an object, a *thing*..hence the proliferation of pedophilia, necrophilia and sex with mute animals in dar al Islam, since a free adult partner cannot be so easily dominated to the point of absolute destruction, in the same way as children, or the dead, or a goat or sheep), is ALSO slave to allah the capricious and murderous, and is usually being trodden underfoot by the more powerful Mohammedans (to which dominance he either submits mindlessly, as to allah, or seethes in furious resentment while scheming to become supreme Gang Boss himself).
It's a system invented by psychopaths for the satisfaction of psychopaths. It's no coincidence that so many of those who have historically risen to the top of Islamic societies and then ruled them, mercilessly and destructively - Ottoman caliphs, Mamluk sultans, Saddam Hussein, assorted Mughal emperors - display in florid abundance all the traits and behaviours that in western societies appear only in the worst kind of serial killer. Because in dar al islam the sociopath/ psychopath can thrive, and prevail, and rise and - ultimately - rule, until another such as himself rises up to assassinate him and become ruler, in turn.
Anyway: that is the way I have come to see it. I think this theory accounts quite well for the observable facts.
We should Diealogue....
"Muslims were disrespected!"
Funny ...they wrote the book on disrespecting others! ..yeah, it's called the Qur'an, et al." - champ
Really. Total and complete hypocrites.
Muslims - How's that "Kill everybody non-Moslem until the world worships only allah" thing working out for you?
Where do Muslims respect Christians and Christianity?
Bosch - WOW, that's awesome. Not just the art, but the double entendre "Diealogue."
Respect is to be earned and most Muslims have done nothing to earn anything but disrespect.
Is it possible that ridicule, laughter, and disrespect can be the most powerful non-violent tools Infidels have in our arsenal?
We blew billions, we killed some of them but by far not enough. That's how it will be. And it will not make one iota different if we leave now, next year, in five years or in 20.
But it WILL make a difference - to us, if not them. If we leave tomorrow instead of five years from now, we save a few hundred billion dollars and hundreds, if not thousands, of our young people from death or disability fighting for people who couldn't care less.
"We don't want a slave government," he said. "We want a real Islamic country."
The above statement means they don't want freedom. They had a real Islamic country long before Americans arrived. So what are we doing there? We are clinically insane. We keep doing the same thing in one Islamic country after another, expecting a different result than the one we always get. When the going gets tough, they tell us to get going. We should oblige and leave, never to return. The next time they call for help, we should refuse to pick up the phone or answer the door. Turn a deaf ear to them.
And it cost us $400 to deliver each gallon of gas to our troops in Afghanistan (security you know). But of course The U.S. economy is booming and we have money to burn on this sh-t hole 'country'.
Ridicule, laughter and disrespect are powerful and non-violent but they are answered with violence. What then?
I would say our most powerful weapon is shunning. Shun them, refuse to let them enter our countries and stay out of theirs. No foreign airlines should fly into Afghanistan. They couldn't attack US soldiers if soldiers weren't in their midst. Isolate them. Don't give them weapons. Don't give them advanced machinery. Let them live in the seventh century if it's what they want.
In fact, we can make a bargain: we won't impose modernity on them and they won't impose Islam on us. Each side will leave the other alone.
Hundreds of angry protesters in Afghanistan's capital today burned an effigy of President Obama...
Oh no...not that...Don't they know Rasulullahhaha Obama has feelings? I bet he's devastated... Somehow I knew it would come to this...I guess the honeymoon is over...
Ridicule, laughter and disrespect are powerful and non-violent but they are answered with violence. What then?
Self-defense, the 2nd Amendment is an all-purpose tool.
Some of us are fortunate enough to have skills that don't rely on arms as well.
For those unlucky enough to live in societies where self-defense is not allowed (UK for example - must escape instead of defend), we're open to suggestions.
Here are some enlightened comments on a conservative blog called "Althouse."
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/10/hundreds-of-kabul-university-students.html
Another reason why we should have set up a secular regime in Afghanistan. But we wouldn't because that would mean admitting that Islam is the problem and the elites don't understand Islam enough to realize that.
Great object lesson in Turkey: Secular regime, peaceful, Muslim regime, bellicose.
Thanks, Jew_Lover
One way or the other, the Qur'an is only good for creating violence...
There are other rumours going around as well.
I have to confess that I don’t know my PC/MC catechisms, and so I do not know what is being referred to in statements like:
“Until the colonial period, it is clear that Islamic civilization was far more advanced than that of the West, including their system of law. The West was unable to compete with Islamic culture, but they did find a way to fix that problem. They occupied Islamic lands militarily, and proceeded to f@#k up their society. “ http://www.scribd.com/doc/20753339/Gates-of-Ijtihad
Or this from a comment to the Independent -
“Just as Europe was modernizing, say round about the early 1800s, they started expelling the Muslims from Europe. As a parting gift, they stripped them of their wealth on their way out. These people had, in most cases, lived for centuries in Europe and had no connections or familiarity to the lands they now found themselves in. Poor, homeless and disillusioned, they turned their backs on the land that rejected them, and went digging into their past, looking for some type of comfort.
During this period, Europe and eventually the Americas, leapt forward scientifically, making incredible breakthroughs using the fundamentals of science and math learned from the Muslims. They then turned their inventions and attentions to conquering the pan-Islamic world, who were incapable of defending themselves against the bombardment from various fronts and various threads (Portugal, Briton, France, etc.) with far superior weaponry.
They became a colonized people, torn from their traditions and forced to adapt to European standards. Their lands were stripped of their natural resources for little or no consideration of the indigenous people. A few nations are only now just beginning to recover from this occupation. Others still have a long way to go. Rather than our accusations and biogtry, they need our help, understanding and apologies.“
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/how-islamic-inventors-changed-the-world-469452.html
Is this what is being taught in colleges now?
Here is a link to the story about Yale University Press censoring itself.
The decision not to include the 12 cartoons of Muhammad, in a book about those very cartoons, was based on the possibility of a violent outcry.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/08/spencer-yale-university-press-bows-before-jihadist-intimidation.html
I can understand the concern about a possible violent outcry, that is why I think “scholarly papers” written on “the plan to end Islam“, or dhimmi historians teaching we should apologize for the Ottoman Empire, is incitement.
Hey, Darcy! ...hypocrites is right :)
dumbledoresarmy - October 25, 2009 3:13 PM
Your analysis of Muslims seeing others as "objects to be used" corresponds well with the diagnosis of "malignant narcissism". The self regards "the other" as a prop to enhance self-esteem; if the "prop" doesn't cooperate it must be denigrated and if possible destroyed.
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Also, isn't it interesting how EASILY Muslims accept rumors, conspiracy theories, anything they can invent or imagine to make themselves believe they're the prime target of "the other"? So, they're afflicted not just by narcissism, but by paranoia as well. And then they have to believe that all the contradictory BS in the Quran is the perfect eternal word of God, too. (Allah is Most Merciful, and there's a good chance he's going to condemn you to the eternal fire where your skin will peel off to the bone, all your marrow will boil away, your eyeballs will melt; then your vital parts will magically be replaced so you can suffer the same agonies over and over. The very definition of mercy, right?)
Any rational, intelligent observer would say there's no way such a mindset/culture could endure, but... 1400 years later the idiocy keeps on going.
"rumors that American troops had desecrated the Koran."
I wonder if religion plays a part?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCJslXUkPgw
From the article - 'Muslims were disrespected!'
I have stored a copy of this article in a very fat e-file that I have compiled, entitled, 'The Religion of Perpetual Outrage'.
A great many Muslims appear to behave like members of an ultra-violent street gang - always claiming that they have been 'dissed', always ready with an excuse to attack.
And while they express great outrage over the smallest real or pretended insult or 'disrespect', they have no compunction whatever about insulting or 'dissing' others.
Here is a Karaite Jewish writer from mid-tenth-century Jerusalem, Solomon ben Jeroham, in his commentary on the Book of Lamentations, summing up the way in which the Muslims of his time and place habitually treated non-Muslims.
He could have written it yesterday, and just about anywhere.
"What can you say about people [Muslims] who curse you when you greet them, and when you do not greet them humiliate you and offend you?"
The commentary was translated into German in the late 19th century; this passage was translated into English by Haggai Ben-Shammai, and included in his article, 'The Attitude of Some Early Karaites toward Islam', in the anthology, "Studies in Medieval Jewish History and Literature", ed. Isadore Twersky [Cambridge: MA, 1984), where it appears, according to Dr Andrew Bostom, on page 10 of Vol 2.
"Muslims were disrespected!"
Hundreds of angry protesters in Afghanistan's capital today burned an effigy of President Obama, acting on rumors that American troops had desecrated the Koran.
I think the Quran should be desecrated daily, and I see little in Muslim culture and behavior that deserves respect. The perpetual adolescent behavior, like the riots, believing anything they hear is true, just reinforces western opinion that Muslims are brain damaged.
Westerners see that behavior and shake there heads and ask "what is wrong with those people?".
I always say, "Islam."
"Afghanistan's educated elite,"
Oxymoron of the week.
While that book demands respect, I don't think it deserves it.
BTW, these Afghans probably have no idea just how 'racist' it is to burn Obama in effigy. Severe punishment should be expected :)
This just reminds me of the behavior of a street gang. Wonder why?
Frankly, I think the collections of the schizo rantings of a child-rapist slave-trading sand-bandit makes for great toilet paper. If only we didn't have naive appeasers within our nation, we could label what is prima facia evident that these savages are barbarians worthy of nothing but our perpetual disdain.
Hello everyone.
Finally managed to sign in after months of failed attempts where my name or password would not be recognised.
Will I be equally lucky in the next attempt?
Sure hope so.
"Frankly, I think the collections of the schizo rantings of a child-rapist slave-trading sand-bandit makes for great toilet paper." - Deist
The best kind, eh, Mohammedans?
Seriously, Robert, did you think the military would just say "Crybabies!"?
I'm for a world law making reading of the Quran a life sentence crime :) http://go.to/islamhistory