You can read my "debates" with Edip Yuksel, and Hugh's comments on them, here. Judge for yourself who was telling the truth and who wasn't. In any case, Yuksel recently sent around this letter, asking friends for help titling his upcoming book. The letter fell into my hands, and as I am always happy to be helpful, I created the poll above. Vote for your favorite title, or suggest your own! Leave your suggestions in the comments field!
Dear friends:
God willing, I am going to publish my debates with Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, Bill Warner, and other enemies of islam, peace and truth. These people have been promoting wars, torture, and genocide against Muslims... Several days ago, I listened to Robert Spencer who was interviewed by fascist Michael Savage, the hate-monger radio talk show host. Spencer has a new book against the Quran: Complete Infidel's Guide to the Quran.
So, I would like to consult you regarding the title of my book, which will inshallah be published within two months via Brainbow Press. Here are some of the candidates... I would like readers to see the book at Amazon.com when they type the names of these guys. Please come with your own suggestion if you have any:
1. Zionazis! Exposing Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, Bill Warner, David Horowitz and other Warmongers
2. Zionazi Crusaders: Exposing Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, Bill Warner, David Horowitz and other Warmongers
3. Zionazi Christofascists: Exposing Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, Bill Warner, David Horowitz and other Warmongers
4. Three Scoundrels: Exposing Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, Bill Warner, and other Warmongers
5. Complete Intelligent Guide for Idiots: Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, Bill Warner and David Horowitz
6. Complete Intelligent Guide for Infidels: Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, Bill Warner and David Horowitz
7. Complete Peacemaker's Guide for Warmongers: Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, Bill Warner and David Horowitz
8. ....
Peace,
Edip
Edip Yuksel, J.D.
www.19.org <http://www.19.org/>
www.mpjp.org <http://www.mpjp.org/>
www.yuksel.org <http://www.yuksel.org/>
www.islamicreform.org <http://www.islamicreform.org/>
www.brainbowpress.com <http://www.brainbowpress.com/>
ENGLISH: http://groups.google.com/group/19org
TURKISH: http://groups.google.com/group/edipyuksel
TURKISH: http://groups.google.com/group/yuzondort
Turkish Books: www.ozanyayincilik.com <http://www.ozanyayincilik.com/>
Each of us must use our own mind in pursuit of truth. (17:36; 10:100; 39:17-18; 41:53; 42:21; 6:114-116; 10:36; 12:111; 20:114; 21:7; 35:28; 38:29).
Islam: Blow it out Your Ass
How about "Muslims sure can't debate"?
Just a suggestion.
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Here's a picture guide to the latest "honor" killings all over Europe"
http://dolomitengeisteu-dolomitengeist.blogspot.com/search/label/Ehrenmorde
It's a North Italian site publishing in German but even if you don't speak German, the pictures speak for themselves!
Let this Yuksel yokel explain this away..
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God willing, I am going to publish my debates with Robert Spencer, Ali Sina...
Did he mean mahound or its (not his) imaginary alter-ego? That ain't God, that's just an inbred bedouin savage scam that only the most foolish, gullible or moronic fall for. He should have written "insh'mahound, I am going..." That would have been more like the real thing.
Islam is for peace, never mind History.
"The Ummah's Guide to Pederast Prophets" (only one chapter).
That's the spirit Mr. Spencer. Nothing like a poll to inspire us JihadWatch Moe Foes.
Love your line: "and as I am always happy to be helpful, I created the poll above. "
I like:
Zionazi Moe Foes
The triple entendre above is sure to befuddle the cerebrally challenged.
"Yuks for Bucks"
by Edip Yuksel
How about:
The Completely Scurrilous, Mendaciously Tendentious, Childishly Irrational Rants of Edip Yuksel that Consistently Fail to Provide Adequate Counter-Arguments to the Arguments of Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, Bill Warner and David Horowitz
Or:
How I Won the Jihad and Lost My Pants
"Each of us must use our own mind in pursuit of truth. (17:36; 10:100; 39:17-18; 41:53; 42:21; 6:114-116; 10:36; 12:111; 20:114; 21:7; 35:28; 38:29)."
If Edip Yuksel believes that "each of us must use our [sic] own mind in pursuit of truth" then why does he feel compelled to list verses from the Qur'an as textual authority for this unremarkable statement? Does he want "each of us" to use our minds "in pursuit of truth" or does he, Edip Yuksel, rather, want "each of us" to be, as he apparently is, blindly and blandly obedient to the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira. For what else can one conclude when a banality is asserted with which no one would think of taking issue ("each of us must use [his] mind in pursuit of truth"), and yet he feels it necessary, in order to ensure that this obvious statement be accepted by his Muslim audience, that he dutifully list Qur'anic passages by way of Authority, so akin as it is to the medieval "auctoritee" we find in Chaucer: 17:36; 10:100; 39:17-18; 41:53; 42:21; 6:114-116; 10:36; 12:111; 20:114; 21:7; 35:28; 38:29.
God willing. You scoundrels.
"islam: the religion of peace (and a big stack of dead bodies)"
(Credit ROP)
the link doesn't work
A little more on Edip Yuksel:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/03/fitzgerald-a-study-in-islamic-reform.html#more
It does. You have to scroll down to see the connecting articles. I initially made the same mistake.
"These people have been promoting wars, torture, and genocide against Muslims."
Turnspeak.
Report on what Muslims do, so you're for torture & genocide! Voila!
"why does he [Edip Yuksel]feel compelled to list verses from the Qur'an as textual authority for this unremarkable statement?"
Good question.
Why does abdullah mikhail praise islam because it's congruent with natural human emotions like hatred and vengeance.
abdullah mikhail is a completely unremarkable person. Certainly, he is not more advanced morally than any common thug. And yet abdullah wants us all to believe that islam somehow elevated his morality.
he should name it the complete dhimmis guide to appeasing our beloved muslims masters or the dhimmis guide to muslim a*s kissing
Robert "HitlerFreakinFascistRogueNaziZionistSonofaPigTooloftheEvilJoooos" Spencer Gave me a Proper Spanking in Debate and This is My Sorry Comeback
Well, that didn't format well :(
Because there is not humour in islam, I propose:
Soup2Nuts II: Curly, Larry and Shemp expose Mo. (or pick your favourite stooge, since that is all Yuksel will paint you as, and probably out of context)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/Souptonuts.jpg
Take that Mo! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
Words fail me. How about 'Stupidity and Ignorance for Idiots'?
I like:
Zionazi Moe Foes
The triple entendre above is sure to befuddle the cerebrally challenged. -- Jew_Lover
#1 with a bullet, baby.
It needs more cowbell...
Beautiful, Jewcat. My best laugh of the day, so far!
Mind you, Hugh was pretty funny too, pointing out the sheer idiotic waste of time, the brainlessness, of combing through the Koran looking for repetitions of trite platitudes - which just happen to be completely against the spirit of the rest of the book.
Yes, use your mind, Muslims - if you have a couple of minutes left in the day after the rest of your time is swallowed up in mindless ritual, chanting and rule-following.
Want a good laugh, everyone? Join the anti-jihad movement! There are laughs coming from both sides, but one side doesn't even know it's funny!
You're right, thanx
of course it is:
Complete Intelligent Guide for Idiots
although it must fail because you can't really teach intelligence to those Idiots.
Hmmm, it that what he intended to mean?
"How I completely demolished Spencer despite the handicap of missing my frontal lobes."
How is that for a title?
Hmm, "pissing in the wind" might be a rather accurate title.
These people manufacture their own, alternative reality. Not so different from our own lefty loons...
Robert, I hope you copy righted the title of your books six ways to hell. So when this idiot tries to capitalize on a name that sounds similar to yours you can take him for millions. Heck billions!
He knows if he titles it some other way it will not get the coverage he is looking for. Not that he is looking for money he and his handlers are looking at ways to confuse, mislead and down play your noble work.
I guess you could look at it another way. Any publicity is good publicity and would just get more attention and people buying your book. Have not read the debates but I would guess that his book will be as foolish as his debating skills.
The more light (ie truth) that is shown the more free thinking people will see the total corruption, lies and murder Islam is.
I suggested: "Just Shutup and Believe." Or ...
"From Islamophobia to Islamophibia: A taqiyya guide to the Koran". Or...
"Naked Islamophobes: Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, and Bill Warner exposed."
Somebody needs to write an "Idiots Guide to Intelligence". It should be required reading for the Eric Holder Justice Department, before they indict the CIA.
Edip Yuksel was touted as a "reformist" Muslim on frontpage.com two years ago:
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=29086
frontpage.com is David Horowitz's site -- one of Yuksel's villains now. I chalk this oversight on Horowitz's part up to the excessively rosy and lenient attitude at frontpage, fairly equivalent to the Pipes Dream (= there are so many moderate Muslims out there, and they are going to save us from Islam through a global reform!).
What Jamie Glazov, Horowitz, and Pipes don't seem to realize is that you can take virtually any Muslim who seems reformist, ask a battery of the right questions, and soon enough a fanatic will be revealed under that "moderate" veneer.
Howzabout:
"Lying like a Muslim prayer rug"
I feel sooooooooooo left out!
Khalim Massoud
Muslims Against Sharia
"Inner" Jihad: Or How to Detonate an IED and Slay Mushrikun in One's Soul
Edip Yuksel, two seconds of googling reveal, is a bit of a nut, with some theorizing about the "mathematical" structure of the Qur'an, focussing on the number 19.
Here's what I found in an interview with what I presume is a magazine ("Furkan"):
19
Furkan Let's turn to the subject of 19. Can you mention briefly the theory of 19?
Edip All units, that is, letters, words, sentences and chapters of the Quran are mathematically designed on a prime number which was prophesied in a Chapter called "The Hidden One" for more than 14 centuries. The simple to understand but impossible to imitate mathematical harmony, in my opinion, is beyond human capacity to construct. Integration of arbitrary human language with the precise and universal rules of mathematics in the Quran and in the original Bible is a marvel that can be appreciated only by those who study it with critical and truth-seeking mind. The examples of this mathematical design are demonstrated in several books, including my Turkish book "Uzerinde 19 Var" (published by Milliyet Yayinlari) and its forthcoming English version "Code 19".
Furkan Why do you think most people ignore or disagree with this thesis?
Because most people follow religious or anti-religious ideas with their hormones, rather than their intellect.
Furkan Contrary to traditional acceptance of the Islamic world, you concluded that two parts that are regarded as verses at the end of Surat al-Tawba do not actually belong to the Quran. I wonder what you experienced psychologically in the process of this important decision.
Edip In addition to the mathematical evidence indicating that those two "verses" do not belong to the mathematically designed book (Kitabul Marqum), God blessed me with a personal experience that made me certain about my decision. I begged my Creator for a sign to save me from confusion and guide me the truth. My sincere and persistent search for truth was responded by my Lord. He fulfilled his promise of 41:53 by supporting my faith through BOTH objective and subjective evidences. I believe that every person who seeks the truth and is ready to acknowledge it regardless the cost of such an admission, that person will witness objective and subjective divine signs."
And later in the same interview, Edip Yuksel makes special mention of Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
He is, in short, a gentleman in a dustcoat trying to make Muslims and non-Muslims hear, but he's still caught in the coils of Islam, and can't get out (said the starling). Now it doesn't often happen that John Crowe Ransom, Laurence Sterne, and Vladimir Nabokov appear in the same sentence, but it does happen.
Returning to our Eid el-Fitr lambs, we may find unsurprising that Edip Yuksel overlooks the fact that for non-Muslims, the number 19 has entered their consciousnesses as the number of calmly smiling mass murderering Muslim -- mostly Saudis, with that one Egyptian, Mohammad Atta (a frustrated urban-planner whose rage over the destruction of old buildings in Cairo was, in Hamburg, somehow became diverted into hatred for the Infidels, the same Infidels who did not treat him, a Muslim, in Hamburg as he thought Muslims should be treated) -- who took direct part in the attacks of September 11, 2001and, with the members of that Novemdectet employing their aerodynamical wind instruments to play a murderous theme. And variations on that theme have been played by others before, and also ever since.
In the batty mathematical mystagoguery of Edip Yuksel, the number 19 is an instrument he employs to find a way both to exalt the supposed mathematical structure of the Qur'an (That Must Come Only From God) and, at the same time, to provide tortuous justification for regarding as extra-Qur'anic some verses now found in the Qur'an that he, Edip Yuksel, finds particularly dangerous. This surely will not work.
Edip Yuksel hasn't been able to free himself from the mind-forged manacles of Islam, and cannot, as yet, allow himself to follow the examples of Ibn Warraq and Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Wafa Sultan and many others who, through no fault of their own, were also born into Islam, yet who found the mental stamina, and the moral determination, and the physical courage, not only to jettison that Total Belief-System, but to tell the world about what led to their decision.
Someday he may take that same path, and at long last be able to free himself from the mental desarroi that many of those who engage in apologetics on behalf of Islam so often display. Those who wish him well would certainly wish for such an outcome.
A little off topic here, but I wonder if AbdullahMikail will brand Edip Yuksel as a "gold digger" for making money by selling books about Islam.
Just wondering.
Back on topic, my favourite is "Complete Intelligent Guide for Idiots." Only because seeing that would give me a real "What the...?" moment. I mean, who would be seen reading such a title?
And my final thought... I wonder what would happen if these debaters against Robert (et al) used actual logic in their arguments. Now that I think about it, why don't they? The closest I have seen is AbdullahMikail's effort - and that was miserable. Still not sure if he knows what "burden of proof" means.
Could it be that there is a list of starting assumptions: the Quran is infallible; Mohammad is the perfect man; Aisha was sexually mature (and so on). With all "logic" flowing from that assumption, one ends up in a reason versus faith debate. And attacking someone's faith using reason never ends well.
Here endeth today's useless ramble.
How about "Islam Is Fun -- and Don't You Forget it"?
Hmm. I went back and read that long symposium "The Fictional Mohammad" I found this quote interesting from Yuksel
"In my youth, I did not lick the boots of Turkish generals nor kissed the beards of the Muslim clergymen, which led me to find freedom in the land of free that is established not by Evangelical Christians, Sunni or Zionist fanatics, but by open-minded rational humans, such as Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin, whom I consider Muslims (submitters to God/Truth in peace) or very close to that description according to the definition of the Quran. Any person who believes in one God, engages in good deeds, and acknowledges the Day of Judgment is a Muslim (Quran 2:62). "
Firstly the possible anti-semetism that's loaded in "zionist fanatics". I want to know who are "zionist fanatics?" Those that take Zionism too far, or simply those devoted to the idea of zionism? Sadly he's asked this question and challenged on this turn of phrase. More and More I'm convinced that to oppose "Zionism" (at least as what I think I understand it to be as the desire of the Jewish state of Isreal on the hill of Zion, if I'm wrong in this understanding please let me know!) is inherently racist.
Secondly, according to his extremely loose definition of a Muslim, it almost sounds like he's calling many Jews, Christians and maybe beleivers of other religons Muslim.
Believe in God? Check! Do good deeds? Check! Acknowledge the day of judgment? (Rev 20:11-15) Check!
Hmm. Fellow Muslim with Abduallah Mikail. I wonder what he'd think of that?
Of course, I'm not really and I'm being facetious(sp?). "the day of judgment" in Christianity is not the same as in Islam, since in Islam you are condemned for rejecting Mohammad's Message, and in Christianity one is condemned for rejecting Jesus's message, making Christianity and Islam mutely exclusive. Also, Islam calls Jesus a liar (John 3:16,4:14 and others) as we understand what he said in the perfectly reliable version of the new testament.
Yukisel came off to me as being intellectually dishonest in his arguments, using much tu queque. In other words, nothing new.
The Completely Scurrilous, Mendaciously Tendentious, Childishly Irrational Rants of Edip Yuksel that Consistently Fail to Provide Adequate Counter-Arguments to the Arguments of Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, Bill Warner and David Horowitz
Or:
How I Won the Jihad and Lost My Pants
*wipes beer off monitor and keyboard*
That made my day. :)
You can't copy right a book title or a name, you can trade mark a name but not copy right it.
thanks daughter of eve, glad someone got some yuks from Yuksel.
How about 'Money for old Rope'
or:
How to use the names of Robert Spencer, Bill Warner and Ali Sina in the subtitle of my new book in order to sell copies and recycle more moronic regurgitated old tripe about islam in the process.
Does anyone else find this interesting? -
http://khalas.wordpress.com/2007/03/16/i-left-islam/#comments
Who realizes that we are being subtly, subliminally brainwashed, to accept Islam, yes friends, even on this very site!
Note how we cannot even comment here until we 'submit'?
Nurse! My meds!
The simple fact is that Edip Yuksel and all other Muslims face an impossible task - that of defending someone (Muhammad) who is indefensible. The only way they can do this is by attacking their critics with made-up stories, since there is no way they can answer the questions the critics pose. Whether that critic is Father Boutros on al-Hayat TV, Aayan Hirsi Ali, or Robert Spencer, the Muslim is totally incapable of answering the criticism. His only recourse is attacking the person of the critic.
Zionazi-Christofascist Crusaders 2 : Electric Boogaloo
Even better than the first one...
Zionazi-Christofascist Crusaders 2 : Electric Boogaloo
Even better than the first one...
"There's a drama in my pajamas"?