New York: Muslims complain about "racial profiling" in wake of arrests in major jihad terror plot

"The NYPD issued a statement saying they don't engage in racial profiling."

And that should be the end of this story. The NYPD should keep on keeping on and just do their job.

"An entire community of people and religion should not be profiled or characterized as terrorists because of [one] certain investigation," said Monami Maulik, who runs the South Asian immigrant rights group Desis Rising Up and Moving.

This is rubbish. The 9/11 hijackers, the perpetrators in Bali, Madrid, London were Muslims. Islam is a fascist ideology, not a race.

It is perfectly appropriate to profile all persons who follow the Terror ideology of Islam.

End of story.

Organizers say Muslims in New York haven't been this scared since the months after 9/11, when some were subject to discrimination across the country."

Muslims are "scared" because some Muslims were successfully apprehended as they plotted to kill people in New York and elsewhere? They should be "scared" only if such plots succeed. They should applaud every apprehension before attacks are carried out, and move heaven and earth to collaborate as fully with the government as they can, and that means not merely giving names of those directly involved in terrorism, but warning long in advance about everyone who is likely to support violent Jihad, and not just violent Jihad against Infidels, but who thinks apostates should and can be punished by Muslims, those who think it perfectly approrpiate to use weapons of Jihad other than violence, and those who deliberately mislead, smiling at the Infidels while there is murder in their hearts, as they burrow as deeply as they can within American society, American political life, to obtain the same goals as those who plant bombs -- that is, the spread and then the dominance of Islam, everywhere.

On 9/11/2001 very few in this country knew a thing about Islam. And now, but not because of our "religion of peace" leaders (Bush) or "religion of tolerance" that has "contributed so much to American life" (Obama) many, on their own, have learned, are learning, about Islam, but not in the way that those conducting Da'wa would like. And the number of such auto-didacts is growing and growing. And when the next large attack comes, the kind of naive response, and the mixture as before, that Muslims have been counting on, will not be the result, and as minds are being filled with the truth, hearts are -- sensibly, justifiably, completely understandably -- hardening, and that hardening is a sign of common sense, in minds now better informed than they were before.

If you look beyond the local 'law and order' context and really examine this fabricated fear of discrimination coursing through this particular Muslim ummah/community, the underlying environment the Muslims want to portray is that the Christian dominated FBI/NYPD is directly 'persecuting' the Muslims. This presser was a mechanism that plays into the worldwide ummah’s sentiments that this imaginary Christian driven discrimination of Muslims is justification for support of terrorism against Christians and others.

Organizers say Muslims in New York haven't been this scared since the months after 9/11...

Allah will protect you...He always does...doesn't he?
But don't worry, if Allah won't protect you Rasulullahhaha Obama will...When Allah fails, Rasool takes his place...Put not your faith in Allah, put your faith in Rasool Obama...
It is said, by Mahoundians, that Allah has no partner...That was then...this is now...Rasool Obama is proving himself to be a better partner to Allah than was Mahound...That's why he is Rasulullahhaha...Pray not to Allah...Pray to Rasool Obama...That's what kufr liberals do...and look what Rasool is doing for them...

OT - great article in the Spectator (UK) called "The Nobel Peace Prize Jumps the Shark":

http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/5407741/the-nobel-peace-prize-jumps-the-shark.thtml

This is my favorite in the Comments section:

"Nobel Prize for reading auto-cues and lying about Muslim contributions to science."

There's also a comment about Hussein being a "closet Muslim," with which I agree.

I think the Millions of Infidels who were the intended target caries more weight in the "fear" department. We all know it was only a matter of time where the Press will champion the good of the one over the many.

My box of Tissues still has the factory seal.

Who was it said, "The bully laughs when he beats you and cries when you fight back."

"What race is Islam again?"

The Master Race. The Muslims see themselves as the Master Race, destined by divine right to rule the world, and unjustly denied hegemony over the planet by arrogant Infidel society and especially by those evil manipulating Jews, who control everything from behind the scenes. Through their threats and terror and subversion and endless violence, the Muslims seek to purify the world for their kind and only their kind.

Islam is Fascism by another name.

I watched this rally on Fox News yesterday, live on the Internet. Interesting, many ethnic Arabs are indistinguishable from Israelis, especially Sephardic Jews. Often we read, 'Iranians are Persians. They are not Arabs'. How can we distinguish them from Arabs? Arabs invaded (conquered) Iran, assimilating and intermarrying Persians in the early centuries. After 9/11, most people expected, even wanted the authorities to "profile" Middle Eastern-looking young men. Many Israelis also understood they would fit this profile. Joseph Farah (CEO - World Net Daily), a Lebanese Arab, wrote a column entitled, "Profile me; Please."

The word "Desis" – originally, from a Sanskrit word – is meant to refer to people from the subcontinent , India, Bangladesh, Pakistan – that were once part of a single unit, India,Bharat, Hindustan. The word is used to describe where people are from, or where a cuisine is from – say, “she’s a Desi girl” (i.e., born over there but now living here, in the West) or “real Desi cuisine” (as opposed to a version modified, as Chinese cuisine is modified, for Western tastes and clientele). Muslims, however, are not nearly as likely to use the word “Desi” as areHindus, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists (there are pockets of Buddhists who resisted the Muslims, as in the Chittagong Hills in what is now called Bangladesh); the adjective Muslims prefer is “Muslims.” Nonetheless, here is an organization calling itself “Desis Rising Up and Moving.” It purports, I presume, to be non-denominational, and rests on the unexamined, and phony, assumption or presumption that Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Christians, and those who are Hindus-but-atheists (a
And what does the rest of the title mean? "Rising Up"? Does that "rising" in the world, or does it mean "rising up" against the oppressive people who have generously allowed one to settle deep within their countries, and to whose country and people not hostility, or murderous hostility, but rather gratitude, for the chance, ought to be exhibited? What does "Rising Up and Moving" mean? Is "moving" akin to "Moving on up" in the world, like George Jefferson? Or does it mean something like "la movida" in Spain just after Franco, a kind of generalized ferment? What does that title mean?

Why would an organization that appears to be geographically based -- "Desis" – in this case appear to be taking a great interest in how the New York Police Department, and other organs of security in this country, do or do not deal with a real Muslim threat – a threat that those Hindu, Sikh, Jain, Christian, Buddhist, and other “Desis” who are supposedly in that “Desis Rising Up and Moving” group – should know all about even better than do, as yet, most Americans who lack that thousand years of experience with Muslim invaders and conquerors. .
Perhaps the real purpose of the organization “Desis Rising and Moving” has been to provide a kind of cover for what is in the main a group formed (if it really exists, and is not just two men and a letterhead) to promote Muslim interests, behind Hindu and Sikh and other unthreatening “Desis” who can be invoked to provide camouflage.

It would not be the first time that Muslims have done this.

Arab Muslims do this when they take advantage of the history of Lebanese Christians in this countyr, to take over or create organizations about "Arab-Americans" that are, in truth, about Muslim Arabs, whose interests are quite different from, are opposed to, those of the people whose ancestors were Maronites (or Greek Orthodox) from Lebanon and Syria, and who came to America, as to Canada and Australia, to flee the Muslims who, it was understood by the original Lebanese immigrants, were a threat to them and to their present and future wellbeing.

And still another technique used by Muslims is to deliberately mis-represent the hostility they feel, that they are taught to feel so deeply toward Christians and Jews ("Take not Christians and Jews as friends! For they are friends only with each other" is only one of many examples in the Qur'an), and carefully join groups identified as three-abrahamic-faith-healers, in order both to confuse and reassure the naive Jews and Christians who are ignorant of Islam and are eager to remain ignorant of Islam, and to turn all such organizations and groups into what the Muslims always intended them to be, groups to support Muslim interests, Muslim demands, groups to promote the interests of Islam.

While the group in question above has 'Desi' in its name, the use of 'South-Asian', rather than Indian, while describing the organization, is a dead giveaway. Whenever any organization describes itself as 'South-Asian', as opposed to Indian, it's obvious that they are trying to cater to a clientele beyond India's borders, and one which includes Pakistan and Bangladesh (Sri Lanka and Nepal aren't anywhere near as significant). When that's the case, being even perceived as anti-Islamic is out of the question, and the end result is that such organizations look like ACLU, but populated by Indians.

If the group in question had been just Indian, it may or may not have raised a hue and cry over this, depending on whether Pakis were involved or not. Having said that, the level of PCMC to which Indians too have sunk these days is unbelievable, and no number of Jihadi attacks seem to have undone any of it.

Whenever I hear about Muslims complaining about "racial profiling" I'm recall author Ian McEwan's words "the Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order"
(http://richarddawkins.net/article,2756,I-despise-Islamism-Ian-McEwan-faces-backlash-over-press-interview,Independent ),
a brave thing to say, but necessarily true.

It's unfortunately true that too many seemingly moderate Muslims are militant jihadist secretly supporting or participating in terrorist activities, as recent history has shown. Muslims just have not earned the trust of the infidels their Koran wants them to despise, and they will have to suffer for it, but indefinitely IMO because they really can't get their horrible "house in order".

When 85% of American mosques are openly radicalized all I can say to this is boo-effing-hoo.

"An entire community of people and religion should not be profiled or characterized as terrorists because of [one] certain investigation"

They're not. An entire community is rightly being profiled because of 14.205 incidents (and counting fast), committed by members of that community since 9/11.

They should be profiled even more, unless these 'Muslim advocates' can show that it isn't Muslims carrying out most of the terrorist violence in the world.

Oops, it was actually Martin Amis who said "the Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/amis-launches-scathing-response-to-accusations-of-islamophobia-396670.html

see also http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/i-despise-islamism-ian-mcewan-faces-backlash-over-press-interview-852030.html

Kudos to Stendec - please allow me to quote you: "Islam is Fascism by another name". I have some research to do on this but I believe it was the Muslims who supported Hitler's Facists in Eastern Europe during WWII. This may be a part of the reason for the enmity between the Serbs and Muslims for so many years. And now, this wretched supremacist poison leers at us all once again. Appeasement - here or anywhere - is not the answer. Let EVERY supporter of Jihadist violence be 'profiled' and brought to heel. May the Muslim people wake UP and throw off the bonds of their false "Prophet" Mohammed - NOW! Thanks again to Mr. Spencer and to all of you who are sounding the alarm.

The NYPD issued a statement saying they don't engage in racial profiling.

In these police actions of raids and arrests, even if the police scrupulously avoided racial profiling in terms of intent to go out and look for people who "look Muslim", the net effect of their dragnet, if conducted intelligently, would end up targeting 100% non-whites -- for the simple reason that all the Muslims in that area are non-whites. Perhaps there might be one or two white guys who had become enamored with Islam, grew beards, took the Shahada, and now live amongst them. But it's reasonable to assume that if not 100% of those raided and arrested are non-whites, certainly 99% are.

Thus, even if the police are not engaging in racial profiling, their actions end up having the appearance of racial profiling.

Then add to the mix the fact that the surrounding culture in America, and throughout the West, has become deformed by PC MC, whose First Commandment is Thou Shalt Never Discriminate Against Nor Even Criticize Muslims For Yea We Have Pronounced Them To Be An Ethnic Minority, Indeed The Most Privileged Of All Ethnic Minorities.

In this environment, it is a wonder our police and intelligence services in any Western nation have been able to prevent as many attacks as they have.

Why are they playing the victim card? Because it has worked so well for black America, so somehow Muslims have decided they are somehow a suppressed race in America. This is of course "the pot calling the kettle black". No doubt this victim protest was well organized within the community in an effort to appeal to the appeasers in power.

The threat to our nation could not be more serious and the FBI should act with aggressive due diligence to root out these jihadists no matter where they are. Naiz Khan, if not arrested should be watched very closely if he had Zazi in his apartment and it speaks volumes about him when he decided to play the victim card in front of the microphones but refused to answer any questions of the reporter.

There in lies the problem, the Muslim community does not come forward to let law enforcement agencies know that such activities are occurring. Hopefully it never reaches a point such as in parts of Paris where the Gendarmes are even afraid to go into Muslim areas because of the violence against them.

Personally I think the FBI has been doing a very good job on rooting out these threats and hopefully they can continue to put the resources forward to combat this continuously growing threat to America. The FBI cannot and should not be a political pawn among the dhimmi leftwing politicians who have the stronger hand in the US Congress at this time. The American People are depending on them when it comes to rooting out these threats before they reacxh the point of critical fruition.

Under Bush we doubled the FBI,we created the Patriot Act, and we got agencies all talking to each other and without these changes we would be missing a lot of trails.

Profiling?? Absolutely. We need more of it, not less. Nuff said.

What's next? Some old Nazis saying how scared they were of the Jews, especially right after Krystallnacht???

Oil up the old Guillotine, and start using it for terror activities. Then bury the body in a pig sty. The World has to stop appeasing people .

First line of Defense: Profiling, Profiling, and more Profiling.

So keep up the good work! ...just let Muslims whine and complain...Big Yawn :-O

This is OT,

It was all quiet today, there were no attacks, so there was no rally in Munich. Although something had been announced, nothing happened. A friend of mine who interviewed Robert in Berlin says attacks are inevitable. It's only a matter of when, not if. I'll keep you informed.

When will the Ummah stop profiling the rest of us as legitimate targets for plunder, rape, indiscriminate assassination, and general all-around disrespect? Seems how the Zionist Jews were satisfied to take roughly half of pre-1967 Israel in 1947 and could've cared less what went on in the biblical lands of Dedan, Teman, and Hazermaveth while Agudat Yisroel is willing to wait for M'shiach before it rebuilds a state, why are they so demonized in all Islamic countries and communities? Since Christians long ago ceased to have a Byzantine Empire bent on strangling the nascent Islamic state, when will Muslims admit that these Peoples of the Book have a right to openly and freely practice their religions in Arabia? When will they admit that Thai Buddhists have a right to live in Patthani, Naratiwat, and Satun? When will they accept Hindus as legitimate neighbors in Panjab, Kashmir, and Bengal? No, the Ummah time and time again justifies a negative stereotype.

Wildjew, if you stop and think about it, many Muslims are not only indistinguishable from Mizrahi Jews, they're indistinguishable from Coptic or Assyrian Christians, Italians, Spaniards, South Slavs, Christian or Animist Africans, or even Han Chinese.

On to other things. I have decided I'm sick and tired of being told that I have to "understand" the anger of a community that has long resented the fact that its human prey once fought back and won. White Americans have long had a queasy conscience about racism; and now, thank the good Lord, open American racism must hide in either the remotest corners of the mountains or in the minds of certain professional anti-racists who think non-whites can't do anything without help. Before I vote for any party of the left, the Republicans are going to have to run a candidate who is an thief and child molester rolled into one.

OT, but thought I'd share a link from jdamn's site, who used to be a regular here. On This Day (11 October) In 732, Charles the Hammer Stopped Islam's Advance on the West

Pleas join me in three cheers for Charles Martel on this 1277 anniversary of the defeat of the Muslims at Poitiers!!!

I guess if they weren't doing illegal things we wouldn't need to keep our eyes and ears peeled for the stupied and dangerous things that occur by this group of people. profiling is keeping me safe, keep it up

I'd be nervous too if I believed in the triumph of Islam via warfare against infidels. What if the infidels started figuring it out?

"An entire community of people and religion should not be profiled or characterized as terrorists because of [one] certain investigation," said Monami Maulik, who runs the South Asian immigrant rights group Desis Rising Up and Moving.

If you don't like it here, you're free to return home. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Hugh @8:21 stated:

Perhaps the real purpose of the organization “Desis Rising and Moving” has been to provide a kind of cover for what is in the main a group formed (if it really exists, and is not just two men and a letterhead) to promote Muslim interests, behind Hindu and Sikh and other unthreatening “Desis” who can be invoked to provide camouflage.

". . .founded in 2000 to build power of South Asian low wage immigrant workers, familes fighting deportation, and youth in New York City for immigrant rights, justice, and dignity."

When it comes to Islam, the terms "rights" & "justice" connote a vastly different meaning than our Constitution intends. . .extending beyond equality.

This particular community organization has some interesting Action Alerts! listed:

■DRUM Launches South Asian Know Your Rights Campaign to Stop Immigration Raids
■Letter from African American activists in solidarity with Mexican guest workers organizing against slave-like conditions. Tuesday, February 19, 2008
■Host an Immigrant KNOW YOUR RIGHTS Training

Of interest also is the slogan used on DRUM youth t-shirts posted at the site: Inquilaab Zindabaad! . . .it just so happens to be the same slogan used by the Communist Ghadar Party of India.

It is clear that DRUM (Desis Rising Up And Moving) is involved in preventing the American authorities from properly enforcing immigration laws; that it takes a very unusual interest, for an organization purporting to be about "Desis" -- that is, people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, three-quarters of whom are non-Muslim, in promoting Muslims, protecting them from justified scrutiny, and in other ways working against the interests and security of the United States of America, even though the members of DRUM, if legal immigrants, have been the recipients of a rare and great privilege: to settle in this country. And they should regard that permission, and forever, as a rare and great privilege, and at the very least, they should not be working to undo or call into question the efforts of the security services to protect us, or to whip up indignation over entirely factitious complaints and a phony sense of outrage.

This "Desi" outfit seems to reflect an unsurprising and unremarkable symbiosis of Communism and Islamic apologetics -- a symbiosis which has been going on in various styles and degrees all over the world -- from the Philippines where the Communist rebel leader Jose Maria Sison has expressed solidarity with the Muslims Moros (he actually expressed it in an interview in his Dutch prison cell I believe), to the flamboyant conversion to Islam in his French prison cell of the famous anarchist-Communist terrorist Carlos "The Jackal", to the conversion to Islam of the Marxist philosopher Roger Garaudy who has been very active since the 1980s denouncing "Zionism" and America and supporting Holocaust denial -- and thus, of course, receiving enormous support from the Muslim world (as well as from ultra-right-wing anti-Semites) --; to Russia, where neo-Bolsheviks like Edouard Limonov and General Alexandre Sterligov collude with the leader of the Party of Islamic Renaissance, Gueidar Djemal in his anti-American, anti-Semitic rhetoric and designs...

and on and on and on.

More grievance theater, complete with the perfunctory charges of racism against unappreciated law enforcement personnel. When muslims continue to plot acts of terrorism throughout the world, often succeeding, just what in the hell are we supposed to do-------sit and wait to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? These poor victims of "racism" aren't in NYC because we invited them or want them, they are here because they chose to pollute our country with their toxic presence and our stupid government seems to thrive on the challenges posed by immigrant jihadists and hostile islamic fanatics. The multiculti, diversity factor is more important to the morons in government than the potential for muslim terrorism. They are willing to take a chance that one in ten will be a terrorist; the police and F.B.I. can work overtime and tiptoe through red tape and "discrimination" rules trying to prevent their diabolical plots against this country. What insanity! We are all but asking for allah's deranged minions to attack us again, and they will eventually succeed. After the next attack, I guess we'll triple muslim immigration.

Just imagine the anxiety, frustration, frantic investigations, and debilitating stress that could be so easily avoided with rational immigration policies! Muslims are responsible for 99% of all terror attacks and commit at least one a day somewhere in the world. If they're not actively involved in plots of mass destruction, they are engaged in stealth jihad, grievance theater, litigation, and various other strategies designed to advance islam. They contribute nothing but endless hostility, confrontation, supremacist demands, and accusations of racism and bigotry. Who the hell needs an alien species that are homo sapiens by birth and subhumans by choice?

There are endless choices of geographical locations friendly to the practice of islam, where like minded fanatics can live, breathe, eat and sleep wretched islam every day of their miserable lives. Why can't they all migrate to a hellhole that meets the criteria they so desperately want, where they will be loved and appreciated and never victimized by racists? We would all be better off.

Alert, your link for Bush saying "I am not concerned about bin Laden" didn't seem to have anything about that -- quite the contrary, in fact.

What race is Islam?

NYPD Please profile Muslims!

I guess it would be pointless to ask Alert for a link that substantiates his claim; though one still wonders why he posted a link that doesn't. Guess he wasn't expecting anyone to actually click on it?

[susanp wrote]:
"Why can't they all migrate to a hellhole that meets the criteria they so desperately want, where they will be loved and appreciated and never victimized by racists? We would all be better off."

Because they are not in New York to live a better life, they are there to spread Islam.......
They are not emigrants in search of a "better life"..... There is something far more important to them.....
They are colonists, and are practicing the duty of spreading Islam & it's hatred to New York, and all over the western world.
It is their duty, The spread of Islam and it's conquest of additional lands for the "Umma" .
The Koran and Hadiths command it,

That is why,

call me cynical if you will....but I'm just not at all surprised that they haven't "demonstrated against those who supposedly "twist" and "hijack" Islam to find in it justification for terrorism.

"An entire community of people and religion should not be profiled or characterized as terrorists because of [one] certain investigation," said Monami Maulik, who runs the South Asian immigrant rights group Desis Rising Up and Moving.

And while neither should an entire nation be profiled as racists, as Americans often are, neither should an entire community cry out as victims of racial profiling every time a handful of its "preferred" people are rousted in due diligence to accepted agency protocols by a critical police investigation.

Islam should be outlawed and those who openly reveal allegiance to it, detained and deported.

I say the NYPD should double their efforts looking at this particular group.

When I watched the march on TV I could not help thinking that it is just the beginning. We are going to see much more of this kind of stroll in the park ,if we do not stop the spread of this cancer.

I watched this so-called news conference on the internet. The Muslims did not wish to discuss the recent arrest of a Muslim accused of conspiring to blow up New Yorkers. They also did not wish to discuss the Imam who lied to the FBI. The news conference was just the usual Muslim whining and attempts to portray Muslims as "victims".They didn't even take questions from the press for fear they might be asked about Muslim terrorists and why so many terrorist seem to be found in mosques rather then in temples, churches or synagogues. It was all about Muslim "rights" rather then their responsibilities as US citizens. This "news conference" also showed why Islam is detested in much of the world.

No matter what community you are from;as long as you aid or
are closely associated with a suspect,the police are going to focus on you.They don't know whether you are part of a plot or not.The Muslim community never seem to separate itself from the bad seeds.They don't condemn or castigate.
They go into a defensive mode.