Yes, all that hand-chopping and stoning really isn't all that bad, if you look at it from the right perspective. Dalia Mogahed, you may recall, along with John Esposito cooked the data from a global survey of Muslim attitudes in order to increase the number of Muslim "moderates" -- classifying people as "moderate" who hate America, want to impose Sharia, and support suicide bombing. "Barack Obama adviser says Sharia Law is misunderstood," by Andrew Gilligan and Alex Spillius in the Telegraph, October 8 (thanks to Andrew Bostom):
President Barack Obama's adviser on Muslim affairs, Dalia Mogahed, has provoked controversy by appearing on a British television show hosted by a member of an extremist group to talk about Sharia Law.
Miss Mogahed, appointed to the President's Council on Faith-Based and Neighbourhood Partnerships, said the Western view of Sharia was "oversimplified" and the majority of women around the world associate it with "gender justice".
Here's some gender justice straight out of the Koran. The Koran likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: "Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will" (2:223).
The Koran also declares that a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man: "Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her" (2:282).
It allows men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls also: "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice" (4:3).
It rules that a son's inheritance should be twice the size of that of a daughter: "Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females" (4:11).
Worst of all, the Koran tells husbands to beat their disobedient wives: "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them" (4:34).
It allows for marriage to pre-pubescent girls, stipulating that Islamic divorce procedures "shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated" (65:4).
And here is some gender justice from the Hadith:
Muhammad said: "If a husband calls his wife to his bed [i.e. to have sexual relation] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning." -- Bukhari 4.54.460
And: "By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel's saddle." -- Ibn Majah 1854
The White House adviser made the remarks on a London-based TV discussion programme hosted by Ibtihal Bsis, a member of the extremist Hizb ut Tahrir party.
The group believes in the non-violent destruction of Western democracy and the creation of an Islamic state under Sharia Law across the world.
Should an adviser to the President of the United States really have given her sanction to such a group? Apparently she has no problem with its goal:
Yes, and unfortunately, the chief misunderstanders of Islam are all those Muslims who somehow keep getting the crazy idea that their religion obliges them to wage war against unbelievers. But of course Mogahed didn't mean them -- rather, she meant those irritating non-Muslims who keep noticing that all these misunderstanders of Islam keep invoking Islamic texts to justify violence and supremacism.Miss Mogahed appeared alongside Hizb ut Tahrir's national women's officer, Nazreen Nawaz.
During the 45-minute discussion, on the Islam Channel programme Muslimah Dilemma earlier this week, the two members of the group made repeated attacks on secular "man-made law" and the West's "lethal cocktail of liberty and capitalism".
They called for Sharia Law to be "the source of legislation" and said that women should not be "permitted to hold a position of leadership in government".
Miss Mogahed made no challenge to these demands and said that "promiscuity" and the "breakdown of traditional values" were what Muslims admired least about the West.
She said: "I think the reason so many women support Sharia is because they have a very different understanding of sharia than the common perception in Western media.
"The majority of women around the world associate gender justice, or justice for women, with sharia compliance.
"The portrayal of Sharia has been oversimplified in many cases."...
Miss Mogahed admitted that even many Muslims associated Sharia with "maximum criminal punishments" and "laws that... to many people seem unequal to women," but added: "Part of the reason that there is this perception of Sharia is because Sharia is not well understood and Islam as a faith is not well understood."
The video of the broadcast has now been prominently posted on the front page of Hizb ut Tahrir's website.
Miss Mogahed, who was born in Egypt and moved to America at the age of five, is the first veiled Muslim woman to serve in the White House. Her appointment was seen as a sign of the Obama administration's determination to reach out to the Muslim world.
She is also the executive director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies, a project which aims to scientifically sample public opinion in the Muslim world.
During this week's broadcast, she described her White House role as "to convey... to the President and other public officials what it is Muslims want."
Not what America might want from Muslims -- i.e., respect for Constitutional pluralism and republican government.
OK, THIS IS INSANE.
I was eating my lunch and nearly threw it up.
I can now see that Obama and his team are really enemies of the American state, democracy and liberty; they are friends of Islam and Sharia law and what detriment this means for women and non-Muslims; they are apologists for those Muslims who, whilst ostensibly "non-violent", desire the same ends as those violent Muslims i.e. the destruction of Western civilisation and the imposition of Sharia law worldwide.
The simple truth of the matter is that if Hizb ut Tahrir had the numbers, they would be violent. Right now, they are playing it safe and appearing "non-violent" until the numbers are in their favour. Once this happens, they will let loose and start killing non-Muslims. Anyone who has totalitarian aims like they do would resort to force to get their ways and it's up to us to beat them off and kick them out of Western nations.
I sincerely hope the American public vote this guy out of office at the next election. Wake up guys, you are going to die a slow death unless you do something.
Please convey your disgust to the PResident's office, all my American bros and sisters -- this is outrageous. This woman has to go -- and bloody fast!
"The simple truth of the matter is that if Hizb ut Tahrir had the numbers, they would be violent. Right now, they are playing it safe and appearing "non-violent" until the numbers are in their favor. Once this happens, they will let loose and start killing non-Muslims." -- posted above
I totally agree. It's all about the Demographics. And we are voluntarily letting in the enemy to increase their demographics:
Qur'an 9:5 - "Fight and kill the Disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
"Every stratagem of war includes POPULATION.
Oh, sure, they're being canny and clever. They're not going to play their hand until they're absolutely sure of winning.
"War is deceit." - Mohamet :
"Oh, yes, we're moderate (wink wink)."
I think writing to the First Lady to protest this would be good, too. I will do so as wel as writing to the President. This is truly shameful. :-(
the video is on youtube at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlN6zCXX9Sk
How do they manage to get a 45 minute clip on there? Have the rules changed - it always used to be 10 min max?
It's tough being a Cassandra in a country filled with blind people.
All Jihad Watcher's are Cassandra's. We can easily see into the future, what lies ahead for us concerning Muslims, yet no one will believe us.
Even though all one has to do is look at Western Europe to foretell the future.
Here's a 16 minute video on Charlie Rose with Dalia Mogahed and John Esposito, about a year old:
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/9246
There are glaring holes in this discussion: no mention of the violent Koran, no mention of Islamic supremacist sharia ambitions, no mention of where are the so-called "moderate" Muslims in defiance of Islamic violence, e.g., where are the mass demonstrations against Islamic terrorism? The silence, the obfuscation, the outright omissions of the truth is palpable. Though I like Charlie Rose on most issues, he failed here miserably.
She's Obama's advisor on Muslim affairs? Sad day.
Dalia Mogahed's amazing phrase "gender justice" about Islam must be given all the publicity it deserves. It's a fit companion for that description, by assorted abu-lughods, of the burqa as "portable seclusion."
If you want to sum up what women in Islam endure, borrow those lendings cast off by King Lear, and cry not havoc but handy-dandily, "Where is the justice? And whose is the knyf?
That's because a year ago Charlie Rose was completely ignorant about the ideology of Islam, and didn't even know what questions to ask.
Now, he's probably still as ignorant.
Someone should tell him about JW so he can get educated about Islam.
Agreed, darcy. Charlie's a resolutely nice guy, but he's been on CPB for too long and is beginning to be a bit musty. I, too, think he's still probably ignorant about Islam, but if there's any discussion of religion on that channel the powers that be decree have decreed that they're all equal. (CPB isn't the only one guilty of this - consider CNN's Christianne Amanpour.) Otherwise, its all stories about exotic dishes and plants and colorful clothing and smiling children practicing their English in newly painted school houses in Afghanistan. It's "Home, home on the range, Where the deer and the antelope play, Where seldom is heard a discouraging word, And the skies are not cloudy all day" for these people. No one ever dies, except in equal numbers at the hands of fanatics equally numerous in all religions. I quit watching and listening to public channels a long time ago because of their insipid, Soviet-style, mind-deadening, and ultimately dishonest, programming.
Accomodation, appesement to muslims, its a mualim video so 45 mins can be accomodated. Well the poster of the video fazzamin did delete all my postings on as i just explained what sharia is. Truth Hurts Muslims.
Accomodation, appesement to muslims, its a mualim video so 45 mins can be accomodated. Well the poster of the video fazzamin did delete all my postings on as i just explained what sharia is. Truth Hurts Muslims.
Miss Mogahed, appointed to the President's Council on Faith-Based and Neighbourhood Partnerships, said the Western view of Sharia was "oversimplified" and the majority of women around the world associate it with "gender justice".
Just as Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Jack Straw and, especially, Kenny MacAskill are synonymous with terrorist-victims' rights, right?
I have no problem understanding Sharia.
No matter how much Muslims try to pretty up Islam along with its sharia free westerners will always find it unpalatable.
Sharia is like the ugly baby everyone pretends is cute when we all can see it is really just an ugly monster.
President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
OSLO – President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," the Norwegian Nobel Committee said, citing his outreach to the Muslim world and attempts to curb nuclear proliferation.
He is in good company: Yasser Arafat and Jimmy Carter.
If there ever was needed proof that the Nobel Peace Prize
is a colossal stupidity and OXYMORON and the Nobel Committee suffers from Norwegian Nazi-Leftwing Schizo Syndrome, awarding of the Piss Prize to perpetual whining shuck and jive South Chicago Thug-In-Chief is unambiguous proof.
I cannot think of a greater DISHONOUR to both Alfred Nobel
and the United States.
Notice how the woman from Hizb ut Tahrir talks about the "appropriate" way for men and women to interact (ie not to interact), by not mixing together, lowering the eyes (women), etc. Some "gender justice"!
Notice also how they don't once mention the Umdat al-Salik (the Reliance of the Traveller), the Sunni manual of Islamic jurisprudence and which is toe-curlingly awful in its prescriptions and penalties, esp for women -- stonings, FGM, beatings for insubordination, etc...
As she said........she described her White House role as "to convey... to the President and other public officials what it is Muslims want."
Denial and disception.......brings to mind "My muslim faith" Guess when you win you surround yourself with fellow muslims. All I have observed in this life is the constant slaughter by muslims in the name of the faux god allah. But this is the "change" that was promised and condoned. It is the destruction of America.
Dear Hugh, very enlightening comment. Indeed, as a Western woman, I'd like to know what "gender justice" really is about. I don't understand Miss Mogahed's unreasoning. But I must admit that I'm unable to understand anything that's promoted by these Islamophiles. I'm sorry, I'm so used to rational thinking, that I can't give up that good old habit of mine. Please let me know, what's a "knyf"? I only found a German guy name of knyf, but I'm assuming you're not referring to him.
Dear Eastview, Christiane Amanpour is a stupid Islamophile slut. She's a c**t who gave Sarko in France a hard time, because he had told his French compatriotes that they should "Kärcher" the Arabs.
With Barack Hussein Obama as a Nobel peace prize laureate, this is really a great achievement. Congrats to the world. And you know how I mean it.
The day America gives into these fascist-like demands is the day I will leave my country, become an expatroit, and never look back. What are the chances the MSM will never tell Americans about this revealing news? Instead, Bill O'reilly will do a nice little fluff piece on what Dennis miller thinks. There is no Spencer-Time, but there is Ad hom attacks via Miller-Time.
Or perhaps, Rachael Maddow can stop with her asinine conjectured "ALL REPUBLICANS ARE RACIST THEORIES" for two minutes to question why Dalia Mogahed was on a extremist Islamist net-work that wishes to replace Captialism with Sharia law. Given that fact, an the fact Mogahed works for the president, yet was caught agreeing/appeasing with a so-called extremist muslim view might make for a interesting news story. But no, she has RIGHT-WING AMERICAN CIVILIANS to worry about. However, I'm sure Glenn Beck would of covered the story if he wasn't so busy trying to be Howard Beale.
MSM = Bread and circuses
Epistemology - 'knyf' is the way that English people used to spell the word 'knife' in the 14th century. Hugh is quoting a line from Chaucer.
Re. 'gender justice' - all you have to do to decode *that*, is to realize that in Islamspeak 'justice' = sharia. I.e....under sharia Muslim men get what *they* deserve while women (Muslim or non-Muslim) get what they are islamically deemed to deserve...and we all know what that is, because we know what sharia prescribes for females.
a bit cynical this Friday ... considering her presence, tending to think Ms Dalia as a "wife" offered to the chief as proof of an alliance done made for something in return.
Avowed cult members never recognize their predicament without intervention.
I do wonder...now that the big zero has won the Nobel Peace Prize, will he admit that he knows that Russia has been assisting his buddy in Iran get the bomb...and work WITH Israel to bomb the nuclear sites, especially since we know sanctions mean nothing to Iran's gov't. Sanctions only hurt citizens, and the gov't does not care about them. I wonder what the big 0 will do?
http://www.youtube.com/user/hetvrijevolkcom#p/f/0/zlN6zCXX9Sk
http://www.youtube.com/user/hetvrijevolkcom#p/f/0/zlN6zCXX9Sk
"Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her" (2:282).
Robert, that's because with the eye slits in the burqas and niqabs cause eyewitness testimony problems. It's just practical, not discriminatory, see?
My heavens, now that the big O's achieved the pinnacle of human achievement, maybe he'll just sit back in the big media room in the WH and not do a single thing more the rest of his term.
We can only hope.
"Please let me know, what's a "knyf"? I only found a German guy name of knyf, but I'm assuming you're not referring to him." -- from a query in a posting by "epistemology" above
The word “knyf” is in the last sentence of my short post above: “If you want to sum up what women in Islam endure, borrow those lendings cast off by King Lear, and cry not havoc but handy-dandily, "Where is the justice? And whose is the knyf?”
"Knyf" is just Chaucer's way of spelling the word "knife" in the line, in “The Knight’s Tale,” about “the smyler with the knyf under the cloke.” That beautiful Chaucerian line, and the original by Boccaccio that it echoes, was made famous by Borges in an essay – “From Allegories to Novels” – that he wrote in 1949, one that I suspect may have been first published in the journal, Occidente by the Ocampo sisters, Silvia and Victoria, who were his friends.
.Here’s how Borges put it:
“The passage from allegory to novel, from species to individual, from realism to nominalism, required several centuries, but I shall have the temerity to suggest an ideal date: the day in 1382 when Geoffrey Chaucer, who may not have believed himself to be a nominalist, set out to translate into English a line by Boccaccio—“E con gli occulti ferri i tradimenti” (And betrayal with hidden weapons)—and repeated it as “The smyler with the knyf under the cloke.” The original is in the seventh book of the Teseide; the English version, in “The Knightes Tale.”
I wrote “knyf” because my line was meant to echo a line from “King Lear” – “Handy-dandy, which is the justice, and which is the thief?” Visually, and I hoped also aurally, “knyf” (pronounced as “kneef”) would be perceived by readers as a closer rhyme for “thief” than when the same implement is spelled “knife.”
One can reasonably suppose that Charlie Rose is, and will remain to his dying day, unremarkably and unsurprisingly an idiot about Islam.