After all, they said she would be. And they couldn't conceivably not be telling the truth, could they? "Mohamed Bary has denied the allegations, and a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation found no credible threat to her safety."
See over at Atlas Shrugs exactly how spectacularly the FDLE mishandled their questioning of Rifqa herself.
"Runaway teen to return to Ohio -- but when?," by Meredith Heagney in the Columbus Dispatch, October 24 (thanks to Pamela):
Authorities aren't saying exactly how or when Fathima Rifqa Bary is returning to Ohio.But as of yesterday, it's official: The 17-year-old religious runaway is to be transferred into the care of Franklin County Children Services. She will live with a foster family on her return....
Rifqa's immigration status also remains unknown to the public. She is a native of Sri Lanka, and an attorney in the Florida case raised questions about whether she's in the country legally.
Rifqa said her father threatened to kill her for her conversion from Islam to Christianity, prompting her to run away to Orlando in July.
Mohamed Bary has denied the allegations, and a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation found no credible threat to her safety.
The Florida Department of Children and Families, which has had custody of Rifqa since August, would not release details about her trip back to Ohio for safety reasons. The state of Florida will pay for the trip.
Eric Fenner, executive director of Franklin County Children Services, would not comment because of a gag order. He has said he has no reason to believe Rifqa wouldn't be safe with her parents.
Rifqa's uncertain immigration status threatened to delay her return; Judge Daniel P. Dawson of the 9th Judicial Circuit Court of Florida said he wanted documentation of her status before sending her back.
His order to return Rifqa indicates that he was satisfied with the information provided, but it should not be read as an indication that Rifqa's status is legal or not, said Carrie Hoeppner, a spokeswoman with the Department of Children and Families....
Classmate Samantha Levy, 16, said Rifqa was so friendly the other students would gladly welcome her back.
"I think if she ever came back to New Albany, everyone would be so kind to her and no one would make her feel uncomfortable at all."
Of course not!
Follow the trail. How many Muslim officials are there in the Ohio and Florida state child protective services systems and how high up the chain of command were those who made the decision to give her back and lie about the findings in their investigations.
We're not stupid.
That's it: rely on the Samantha Levys of the world to settle this.
Everyone involved in the decision to send Rifqa back to Ohio has the intellect and courage of an insipid juvenile.
Isabella, you are onto something there. Where's an investigative reporter on this angle? How entrenched are muslims within the system?
Ohio Children Services official....etc.
Rifka's Blood on your hands !!!
Don't fool me around and don't try to hypnotize with :-
==="I think if she ever came back to New Albany, everyone would be so kind to her and no one would make her feel uncomfortable at all."===
Firing squad, Ready?
FIRE !!
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How can we resist the jihad when our public officials are completely ignorant about Islam?
The penalty for being an apostate from Islam is death. Even if you are a cheerleader at an American high school.
Robert wrote: "See over at Atlas Shrugs exactly how spectacularly the FDLE mishandled their questioning of Rifqa herself."
I sign in on Typekey at Atlas Shrugs - same user name as I have here - but Pamela Geller has me blocked. I guess she feels she has all the help she needs fighting the jihadists. It's shameful what she's done in my view. I hope you tell her or if someone will provide me Pam's address, I will tell her myself.
Ohio Children Services official says he has no reason to believe apostate Rifqa Bary wouldn't be safe with her parents and, unfortunately, they have no reason to believe she wouldn't be killed either. Ignorance is bliss and stupid is as stupid does.
wildjew
This is Pamela's personal E-mail address:= writeatlas@aol.com
Write to her directly ( politely ! ), and you will get her full and honest answer !
P.S.
I had a similar case with JW.. And the system works!
Not the 'Samantha Levys' perhaps.
But Rifqa has other friends. And at least one of her school friends, ages ago, actually googled in here, and took part in the discussion (this was during the IntenseDebate era).
That particular person - not 'Samantha' - sounded fairly savvy. The person was weighing in on Rifqa's behalf, as a character witness, when some here were being sceptical of Rifqa's story.
(And that person was aware of security issues, for they later came along and deleted their own post, as was possible under IntDeb. But I had made an informative and encouraging response, which I hope this person had read).
It is possible - just barely possible - that Rifqa's life may now depend on someone like that: upon those among Rifqa's schoolmates who, in the course of this case, have lurked in here, or at Pam's site, and informed themselves. Who may have also found out about what happened to Aqsa Parvez and to Amina and Sarah Said. Who may perhaps - who knows - have clicked on the link that 'Undaunted' provides, and visited his website.
And who may now - with their parents, perhaps, or an aunt or an uncle or a grandmother or a family friend - be the *only* people who both know what is at stake, and may have a chance to help Rifqa.
"Small hands turn the wheels of the world, because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere" (Tolkien).
If any school-friend or former friend of Rifqa Bary's, in Ohio, should happen to be reading this - know that no matter what anyone has said, *she is in mortal danger*, not just from her Muslim family but from any other pious Muslim, anywhere in the world, who may decide, at any time, to appoint themselves judge, jury and executioner, to perform the punishment which sharia - Islamic law - says must be inflicted on anyone who leaves, or tries to leave, Islam. Namely: death.
Sooner or later - unless, under intolerable pressure (up to and including torture), she 'recants' and denies her new faith, and returns to Islam - *she will be murdered*.
You - unknown friend of Rifqa, or even perhaps just someone who saw her at school, and liked her - are now faced, knowing that the authorities in the USA refuse to believe what I am now telling you (that she will very likely be killed by the Muslims, killed simply and solely because she has left Islam) with the kind of choice that Dumbledore described at the end of 'Goblet of Fire' : the choice between what is right, and what is easy.
Choose what is right.
Alexander Münch, thanks. I will be polite. "HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME?" No. Honestly. I will be polite.
Yea, what Dumbles said.
The Rifqa case for the judges, law enforcement, Children's Services, etc., is essentially a problem of risk assessment. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be taking into account the known facts and critical pieces of evidence that would allow them to make a risk assessment.
What is the probability that Rifqa is telling the truth about her father threatening to kill her? (Her father denies that threat). Suppose we know nothing else about Rifqa or the father, and we know nothing about the general probabilities for these types of scenarios where there is (a) an accusation about a threat from one party, and (b) a denial about that threat by the accused. If we know nothing about this, we could estimate that there is a 50% chance (or .5 probability) that a threat was in fact made. That itself is more than enough risk to justify keeping Rifqa in protective custody until a detailed risk assessment is made.
Now let's add some of what we do know.
1. While I'm not aware of polls on American Muslims' attitudes toward the apostasy penalty, we do know from polls on British Muslims that about 31% of them think the penalty of apostasy should be death.
2. We know from polls on Muslims in the Netherlands that 6% are willing to admit that they personally would do violence to an apostate of Islam. Approximately 40% of Muslims from a Southeast Asian (Indonesian, I think) study said they personally would do violence in "defence" of Islam from critics.
3. There are not one but three people in Rifqa's home who could potentially harm or even kill Rifqa over her public apostasy, namely, her older brother, her mother, and her father. Let's assume we know nothing about them, other than that they are Muslims.
If we assume that the relevant Muslim community in Ohio is as "strict" or "radical" about the apostasy penalty as the British Muslims, then the odds are about .31, or roughly .3, that a given member of Rifqa's immediate family agrees with the death penalty for apostates. Restricting the analysis to include only the above three family members (i.e., excluding her younger brother), the probability that one of the three believes in the apostasy death penalty is .3 + .3 + .3 = .9. That is, based on these assumptions, there is a 90% chance that at least one of those three of Rifqa's family members believes in the death penalty for apostasy.
Let's assume that there are hypothetically 100,000 Muslims in Ohio. (I have no idea what the real figure is; I'm just speculating). Estimating from the British data, there would be about 30,000 Muslims in Ohio who believe in the death penalty for apostasy.
If we assume the data from the Netherlands' Muslims is relevant here, then the odds of one of the three family members believing that they should do violence to Rifqa is .06 + .06 + .06 = .18. Based on these assumptions, then, there is an 18% chance that at least one of those three family members thinks they should do some form of violence to Rifqa in retaliation for her apostasy. The chance of violence increases in retaliation to anything that Rifqa has said that they might interpret as contrary to Islam.
Let's again assume there are 100,000 Muslims in Ohio. This means there would be 6000 Muslims in Ohio who would be willing to do violence to an apostate such as Rifqa.
What percentage of Muslims would actually take it upon themselves to kill an apostate? This is a difficult question to answer because public apostasy from Islam is extremely rare. Public criticism of Islam per se is also rare. Also, public apostates and critics almost always take exceptional precautions about revealing their identity, location, schedule, etc. We know that such killings do happen in the West, and we do know that Rifqa was threatened on Facebook.
The above probabilities as applied to this case are, of course, hypothetical. Based on our limited knowledge of what's true in this case, and the lack of relevant statistics for American Muslims or Muslims with Sri Lankan background, and so on, it's difficult to arrive at clear conclusions. We can only guess based on the findings for other Muslim samples that are only indirectly relevant.
Other facts weighing to support the truth of Rifqa's story: The fact that she ran away (unlikely if there were no problems at home), and the father admits at least raising the laptop in anger at Rifqa.
...another way of looking at this is to survey apostates of Islam who've come out with their apostasy. What percentage of these apostates live in fear? What percentage have been attacked physically? What percentage have received death threats? What percentage have been persecuted by various other methods? Answers to such questions would all be relevant in making a risk assessment.
Hi Dog without slippers,
To answer your question, look at what CAIR has done to infiltrate police departments around the country. The place is absolutely crawling with CAIR spies and check out how many PDs are now receiving "sensitivity" training by CAIR on how to treat Muslims as opposed to the fine anti-terrorism training they were receiving from the Higgins Institute which was unceremoniously dumped by the Fairfax County PD about a year or two ago in favor of the CAIR training. Fairfax County was were that tool, Weiss Rasool, checked the database for any friends or family that might be on the "to watch" list and blew a six month investigation by tipping off one of his old buddies form the local mosque who was busy geting ready to leave the country when police arrived. Rasool of course said he never said boo but the police were persuaded otherwise when a message with his voice showed up on the perp's answering machine. Sgt Rasool no longer works for the force, as his attorney "suggested" he resign in August of 2008 but the damage was done. According to Dave Gaubatz' new book "Muslim Mafia", Rasool was a CAIR plant and he has the documentation to prove it.
The CAIR weanies have been busy, buys bees and that is why Rifqa is in more than a little bit of danger. I suggest we keep shining that spotlight on Ohio and turn up the heat. How could we go on the offensive regarding Rifqa's parents? Why not make them, and the Noor mosque, squirm for a change and give little Rifqa a rest.
I visited the Ohio State Capital Building this summer and it is quite a site. Now that I know of the cowardice, stupidity or even possible evil that lurks inside of if I don't have such a fond memory of the building.