The message from child protective services to girls like Rifqa: You're on your own. "Judge Rules Christian Convert Teen Must Go Back Home," from Fox News, October 13:
A Florida judge has ruled a teenager from Ohio must return after running away to Florida in fear that her parents would harm her for converting from Islam to Christianity.
The judge ruled Ohio has jurisdiction over the case involving the teen, Rifqa Bary.
No date has been set for when she will be returned back home.
The 17-year old girl ran away from her parents' home in July, saying she feared being killed for changing religions. But a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation found no credible threats to Bary.
She has been staying in foster care in Orlando since she ran away.
And she will be killed. If not by her Father, than by a well meaning relative, or a local Muslim who is just doing his Islamic duty of killing an apostate.
It is so sad that the judge is willing to sacrifice her life.
It's even sadder than when she dies, there will be no one to stop this from happening again.
17 and how many months?
Shocking.
Who would ever believe that a United States Judge could be so stupid?
Are we Rome?
In the US a 17 year-old can go to College, and presumably live on-campus on his/her own(?). So will Ohio now forcibly-give her back to her parents, to which she has absolutely zero wish to return? How will this look? And if anything were to happen to her as a result, what would the fallout be?
Remember Christianity spread because of the martyrdom and suffering of the early Christians. And people have a desire to halt Islam because of the constant reminders of its fruit.
CAIR may yet wish Rifqa had stayed in Florida.
They may hang it out until she is 18.
Does she have the right to appeal?
This could help her to stall for time.
This decision, though given not by the Supreme Court but by a State judge, seems to me to be of an infamy equal to that of the Dred Scott decision. It is a moment when the United States
Unless the Christian community in Florida, and perhaps also groups like Former Muslims United, can find the courage to flatly disobey an unjust and indeed death-dealing ruling, and spirit her away into hiding, Rifqa Bary will surely be delivered up into the hands of the Muslims. Her family will take her back to Sri Lanka; and there they will murder her, executing the apostate, as sharia demands.
And this girl's blood will be on the hands of the abysmally stupid FDLE who allowed themselves to be flim-flammed by lying, smiling Muslim psychopaths; and on the hands of a great many others who were eager to be similarly deceived.
By the way, Canon Patrick Sookhdeo's new book, 'Freedom to Believe:challenging Islam's Apostasy Law', is just coming out - endorsed by no less a person than Michael Nazir-Ali.
http://www.barnabasfund.org/Freedom-to-Believe-A-new-title-from-Patrick-Sookhdeo.html
Copies of that book should be obtained, as soon as it comes off the press, and sent, to the Governor of Ohio, and the Governor of Florida, and to the head of the FDLE, and to whoever else has shown themselves most abysmally and wilfully blind to unpleasant realities.
Perhaps those Christians in Florida and in Ohio who have fought for Rifqa Bary might consider inviting Canon Sookhdeo to visit Florida, and Ohio, and do signings of his book, and address the public - in churches and outside of churches - concerning Islam and what it does to apostates. He could share his own experience of what it is like to be an apostate from Islam; and the experiences of other former Muslims who are known to him within the UK.
Time to revive the Underground Railroad. Like the Dread Scott decision the courts have failed and it's time the citizens defy them. Legal and moral are not synonymous.
And so what is the advantage to go through the "legal system" when the facts are ignored and the "judges" bow to the politacally correct pressure. Defy the corrupt court and do what is right. Save this girl.
PS link to the Fox News article is dead.
And so the corrupt courts bow to politcal pressure and send this brave young woman to death or re-education in Sri Lanka. Judges ignore the facts and make a mockery of their office. Defy them and save this girl.
PS link to the Fox News article is dead.
Memo to self: preview, preview, preview!
The first paragraph of my posting above should conclude as follows, "It is a moment when the United States denied everything for which it claims to stand".
Perhaps Bosch Fawstin should draw us a picture of Lady Liberty in tears of grief and fury.
If only 'Pigman' were real and could swoop in to whisk Rifqa away to a place of safety till she turns 18.
This is a day of mourning.
All over the West, girls like Rifqa Bary (and boys, too - our own Bosch Fawstin was only a teenager when he apostasised, and fled from his family) are dying inside, at this news.
The judge has just signed a death warrant for this young girl. Sharia Law will prevail and in do time it will happen.
I agree with the Underground Railroad idea. Do any 'officials' have any conscience at all? Which officials are secretly hoping that Rifqa, once out of sight, is out of mind? My worry is that her parents will try and spirit her out of the USA.
And so the corrupt courts bow to politcal pressure and send this brave young woman to death or re-education in Sri Lanka. Judges ignore the facts and make a mockery of their office. Defy them and save this girl.
AntiJihadist--
Just fixed it. Thanks.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/indonesia-province-passes-stoning-law
She will die for sure now.
If she is prevented from being taken out of the country, look for her to have an "unfortunate accident" or else "run away" again, only this time without ever turning up anywhere else.
Expect her to be publicly reunited with her family, welcomed with crocodile tears of fake grief and in a few months when they think no one is looking she will be gone.
I hope that the powers that be remember this.
This is one of many straws that break the back of law abiding people in the U.S. Our own Government turns against us.
We, the people will remember and we will act from here on in.
And so the corrupt courts bow to politcal pressure and send this brave young woman to death in Ohio or re-education or death in Sri Lanka. Judges ignore the facts and make a mockery of their office. Defy them and save this girl.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/indonesia-province-passes-stoning-law
She will die for sure now.
Hugh wrote:
17 and how many months?
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Unfortunately, Hugh, Rifqa just turned 17 at about the time she fled Ohio. It must be at least 10 months or so until her 18th birthday. The courts grind so slowly in the US, that I had hoped that she could just "run out the clock" until freedom.
I hope she can appeal, but I'm not sure if a higher court will hear her case. Also, while the state of Florida has minor emancipation laws, Ohio does not.
Here's a video proving from numerous Muslim sources that Muhammad commanded his followers to kill apostates:
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2009/09/rifqa-bary-islam-and-apostasy-part-one.html
"I hope that the powers that be remember this." -- Question_Everything
No, they won't.
Only we will.
I think her biggest danger now is being whisked away to Sri Lanka or some other convenient place where she can be dealt with. Too many eyes on her here.
This are very sad news.
What may happen to her:
- be immediately killed by her father;
- be found dead, with the family claiming she committed suicide;
- be involved in a fatal accident;
- be sent back to Sri Lanka or any other Islamic paradise to get married;
- be sent back to Sri Lanka or any other Islamic paradise and never be heard of again.
Any other option?
Rifqa needs the LORD to send this guy into action bigtime:
http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/r/raphael/2firenze/1/25drago2.html
http://www.wf-f.org/Michaelmas.html
and this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stgeorge-dragon.jpg
only these His mighty servants might well manifest in humble and mundane form (like the British supermarket employee whose little old car provided hiding place and magic carpet to safety, for a young Muslim women in fear of an honor killing who had asked her co-worker to help her).
Darcy, 'we' are all it takes.
Anyone else had enough yet?
Judge Dawson has been doing a good job up to this point. Commenters here are condemning the judge and seem to be forgetting that he is bound to base his findings on the law, not his feelings or sadly even what is morally correct. To do otherwise is simply to invite a successful appeal of his decision.
The thing I think we should focus our attention on now is the situation with the parents' immigration status. The judge was very wise to make transferring Rifqa to Ohio contingent on those papers being delivered to the Florida court. And the Ohio judge agreed, Rifqa stays in Florida until the parents cough up those papers, and they have been stalling on that requirement for months. Who knows how long she can remain in Florida based on the judge requiring documentation of the family's immigration status. I would love to see the parents get deported and Rifqa obtain asylum or refugee status and remain in the U.S. It would also seem to me that if her parents do get deported, the case for transferring her to Ohio dissolves.
It does seem like her lawyer could be more aggressive in pursuing these other angles, but who knows - perhaps he is and just hasn't sprung his next move. I remain hopeful.
Being still a minor, barring refuge status, wouldn't she normal be deported along with her parents, since the judge found in her parents favor?
I do agree demanding her parents cough up the papers first was a good move.
She should run to Canada and file for refugee status it takes about 3 years for a claim to work through Canada immigration
and once she turns 18 enlist in the us armed forces and get her immigration status and citizen ship
They hide illegals for months in Orlando. In ten months, when she's eighteen, she can be free of her family. I know a family from Columbia who house 12 or more illegals from Bogota for a month at a time.
Christian loyalty supersedes secular law. Hide her. The Roman Catholics have so many religious communities around the country, the government would never find her.
Pray for the people on her team - for Judge Daniel Dawson, that he will live up to his splendidly-biblical first name; for her lawyer; for her guardian ad litem. Pray, too, for her current foster family.
The business with the immigration papers, pointed out in Richard's posting above, and covered in more detail at Pamela's site, is *fascinating*. I get the sense that Judge Dawson may be a pretty good reader of people. I think that in the parents' refusal to produce those documents, Judge Dawson smells a rat. I hope he keeps right on digging till he finds that nasty dead rat that Rifqa's parents and the rest of the Muslims with them are trying to hide.
Let's not forget that both Phyllis Chesler and Ibn Warraq wrote to him directly, with the goods on the apostasy law in Islam. Seemingly, all of Rifqa's team have been inundated with testimony from former Muslims, now apostates (and not all of them Christians; some of them now atheists and agnostics), pleading Rifqa's cause and stating that her fears are based on cold hard fact.
How sad.
My prayers are with Rifqa and all apostates from Islam today. May God keep her.
At this point, I think it bears restating, loud and clear, that we here support the right of *all* apostates from Islam to live free of the fear of being 'offed' by a hit squad from the Muslim Mob from which they have defected.
Had Rifqa Bary left Islam in order to declare herself an atheist or a Buddhist or a 'Madonna'-style devotee of Kabbalah, she would have had to run just as far and just as fast for exactly the same reason - because people are not allowed to leave Islam for *anything* else, on pain of death; and her safety and freedom would be of just as much concern to us, and we would all be praying, and writing letters, and in some cases, planning to physically demonstrate on the streets, just as energetically.
Those of us here who are Christian, are not just doing this because Rifqa has joined *our* faith (though of course we are overjoyed to welcome her into the family). We would be going in to bat for her right to freedom of religion, and her right to life, no matter what faith or absence of faith she had chosen instead of Islam.
Our own Bosch Fawstin here at this forum declares himself of no religion; as a teenager, he had to flee his Muslim family and go into hiding, just as Rifqa tried to do. It is high time some kind of 'underground railway' was created, by people of goodwill, for those Muslim teenagers and adults in the West who - like Fawstin, like Rifqa - have sincerely jettisoned Islam and need to be able to 'disappear'.
I am a Jew in CA, and I agree with all of my Christian, ex-Muslim, or people of any other or no faith--that this decision is more than a bad ruling, it is passing judgment on a 17 year old girl's life. At the very least, can the judge make a provision to pull the girl's passport to keep the family from stealing her overseas? Certainly under the circumstances justice would demand that someone look after her safety that much, at least ensure she is not murdered, in America or anywhere else!
How can our society allow such a travesty to occur? How is it that our justice system is so flawed or outdated? Is it just the temperament of the new "Change!" we were promised? We sure got change, but not what we wanted or expected. I am afraid this government is moving us from the greatness that is America to some sort of UN run organization. We all know how well the UN is run.
We need to organize for the 2010 mid-term elections, and finally in 2012 vote for a Republican President, or I am moving to Israel and fight. At least I will know who my enemies are there. Here it is politically incorrect to fight terrorism suddenly.