"It was the ninth reported attack on Israel from Lebanese territory since the end of fighting between Israel and the south-Lebanon-based Hezbollah in 2006." "Israel shows restraint after latest rocket from southern Lebanon," by David Harris for Xinhua, October 29:
JERUSALEM, Oct. 28 (Xinhua) -- Israel responded with limited fire towards the source of a rocket launched from southern Lebanon on Tuesday night. It was the ninth reported attack on Israel from Lebanese territory since the end of fighting between Israel and the south-Lebanon-based Hezbollah in 2006.Four additional Katyusha rockets were found on Wednesday close to Tuesday's launch site. The discovery was made by a joint tour of officers from the Lebanese army and the UN Interim Force in Lebanon, according to Lebanese and Israeli media reports.
Analysts are now wondering for how long Israel will show restraint in the face of these attacks for which no one claims responsibility.
ATTACK CONDEMNED
Lebanese Caretaker Prime Minister Fouad Siniora criticized the initial strike from Lebanon and Israel's immediate response, which was reported to have damaged a couple of nearby homes.
Israel lodged a formal complaint about the fire with the UN, while the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) issued a statement saying "the IDF considers the Lebanese government and military responsible for the prevention of such attacks."
While no one claimed responsibility, the incident took place as UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon issued a report which included a demand that Hezbollah be stripped of its arms in accordance with UN resolutions.
"The threats posed by the existence of militias outside the control of the state, especially Hezbollah's vast paramilitary infrastructure, cannot be overstated," Ban said in the document.
Ban also condemned Israel's overflights of Lebanese airspace. Israel says such surveillance missions will continue as long as it feels there is a threat from Lebanese territory....
United Nations Charter:
Under international law Israel has a right to respond with whatever force it deems necessary to defend its people from these unprovoked attacks.
For the Pariah State to expect anything of rights and or protections afforded by the UN is the height of hypocrisy.
Israel does not abide by International law, fails to comply with UN Security Council resolutions, does it respect UN Declarations...furthermore, it harbors undeclared nuclear and biological weapons...etc. the list goes on.
Without an armed and determined civilian defense force Southern Lebannon would cease to exist...the Lebanese government is a castrated puppet as is its military.
Their people must defend themselves because no one else will.
Peace
Abdullah
"Lebanese Caretaker Prime Minister Fouad Siniora criticized the initial strike from Lebanon and Israel's immediate response"
He criticized Israel's response? What?! Another ridiculous criticism. Big surprise, eh?
"the IDF considers the Lebanese government and military responsible for the prevention of such attacks."
Exactly! ...they are fully responsible for any and ALL attacks. Claiming not-to-know who did-it is not Israel's responsibility or problem -- it's yours Lebanon!
Ban also condemned Israel's overflights of Lebanese airspace. Israel says such surveillance missions will continue as long as it feels there is a threat from Lebanese territory...."
Ban Ki-Moon knows almost nothing, and therefore understands nothing, about Islam, about the Middle East, about Israel, its legal and historic claims, and the detailed history of the war being waged -- the Jihad -- against Israel, under various guises, by the Arabs and Muslims, using the local Arabs (the recently-invented "Palestinian people") as the shock troops of the Jihad that has been, is, and will always be waged, against Israel. And because of his ignorance, his chastisement of the Israelis is, morally, worthless.
Allah Droppings Alert from AM! ..Horseshit Alert seemed a little crude.
According to our resident anti-semetic mohammedan troll, Israel has no business defending it's borders. Ah, just more bogus lies from the lil' mindless/heartless/soulless motard.
Champ,
But you gotta love this sentiment:
What a perfect description of Lebanon!
HUgh,
You talk about ignorance and then claim this:
"(the recently-invented "Palestinian people")"
Since you are fond of swuealing about "historical rights!" on or around 135 AD Hadrian expelled the Jewish presence and changed the country’s name from Judea to Syria Palestina and thus the Palestinians were not (recently invented)So, by your own insistance on historical rights, Palestine has been the country of Palestine for something like 1,874 years...so Palestine has been around for a long time as well as the Arab peoples and Jewish peoples who lived therein.
Only recently was the country Israel formed, this is a fact you can not dispute. There was never a country named Israel until May 14th, 1948.
Peace
Abdullah
champ,
The UN Report Prepared for Ralphe Bunche, 01 October 1948 go read it to find out who you are lauding.
Peace
Abdullah
Indeed, Boneshack! ..yeah, AM isn't the least bit bashful about expressing his complete and utter contempt for Israel, now is he? Hmm, but I thought that Islam was a "religion of peace"? ..O, lordie, I'm confused :)
good gawd! ...would someone please explain to the meathead why the UN report hes provided has NOTHING to do with a Sovereign Nation like Israel defending it's borders, because my patience has worn thin with this motard.
Lebanese Caretaker Prime Minister Fouad Siniora criticized the initial strike from Lebanon...
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"Caretaker Prime Minister" sounds about right. Siniora is criticizing a strike made from what is--at least nominally--his own nation. This is not followed up with any sort of vow to end such attacks, or even to begin to crack down on the perpetrators.
Over the last forty years or so, Lebanon has essentially ceased to exist as a sovereign nation. This is profoundly tragic, since Lebanon was not only a haven for Christians in the Middle East, but represented--besides Israel--the best the Levant had to offer. Beirut was known as the "Paris of the Middle East"--before it was reduced to smoking ruins.
Since the Muslim attacks in the 1970s that led to the misnamed "civil war", Lebanon has become--more and more--little more than a launching area for attacks on neighboring Israel from Hizb'allah and other Jihad forces.
They--along with Syria and Hizb'allah backer Iran--are more the power in Lebanon today than is Siniora.
There was a brief hopeful period with the "Cedar Revolution" when Lebanon pulled herself away from Syria's malign influence, but it was short-lived. Lebanon today is a weak state, which nonetheless feels duty bound to decry Israel's gestures at self-defense.
Adult-Onset Islam is quite a phenonmenon, isn't it?
Yes it is. Quite a spectacle. The only question that remains is this: was AM a Jew-hater *before* he became a Muslim (quite possibly initially joining Islam all the better to hate Jews, as did quite a few former Nazis, most notably Goebbels' pet academic propagandist, Johann von Leers), or did he become a Jew-hater subsequent to, and *as a result of*, having become a Muslim? Impossible, of course, at this stage, to determine which scenario is the more likely, and he will certainly not tell us himself.
Abdullah,
You are a victim of historical deficit disorder!
You can hate and attack Israel like a jealous child until the day you die.
But she is still the blessed one. The one who is reckoned as the heir of Abraham.
This world is ALL you have.
"...was AM a Jew-hater *before* he became a Muslim?"
My guess is that he was a Jew-hater before converting to Islam ..in fact, I'll go one step further and suggest that AM has been a HATER ALL of his life, and that that's what drew him to Islam in the first place.
"Israel says such surveillance missions will continue as long as it feels there is a threat from Lebanese territory...."
I bet they have already mapped and photographed numerous weapons storage areas and rocket launch sites....could come in handy in the near future...
Ho, Abdullah,
Long time no see!
And what are you today? Male? Female?...
Kus ohtak ya ars Ibn sharmuta Abu alf hanazir!
So dullard. Do pariah states have a right to self defense or not? Who decides when a state is a pariah? Is that a legal term or something or does it just express your personal opinion?
nabi ZK (pbum)
As I'm considered in my little village in Flanders as an "internet savvy", I've been asked many questions about the Palestinian people. Most of these questions I'm really unable to answer, but I hope to find people on this website who could give me some reasonable explanations. I know that the Romans kicked the Jews out of Israel some centuries ago and called the region "Philistina" named to the people living there at that time, the Philistinans (IIRC they were Greek speaking), but I'm not able to tell my audience more than that. The questions they would like to be answered are these:
1) Is there a Palestinian "anthem", some kind of song where they are proud of and make them all feel together and so, and where can I find it?
2) Is there a Palestinian language (probably with still a strong greek influence due to the Philistines) and are there known authors who wrote in this language?
3) Who were famous kings, emperors, presidents, leaders of the Palestinian people?
4) Is there a traditional folkloristic costume characterising the Palestinian people?
5) Is there a traditional Palestinian dish (like spaghetti for the Italians, paella for the Spanish and haggis for the Scottish)?
6) Are there remarkable literary authors, scientists, artists or sporters representing the Palestinian soul?
If anybody would have some answers to these questions I would be very much enlighted and be glad to keep my audience up to date.
To karelmartel,
All nations on earth, never existed at this or other period of time in history. Each one appeared when "the time was ripe"!... (See your own!..).
Palestinians are a "Critical mass" (some say 7 million), they have their language, Oral & Written history, religion, folklore, tradition,and strong attachment to the land they call Palestine ! This is a fact!
At the same time, the Palestinians (and their leaders !) never managed to transform their collective aspirations into a political form until the appearance of the Zionist movement about 120 years ago!
Jerusalem was never their capital city and as a matter of fact it was nobodies capital in the whole history BUT THE CAPITAL CITY OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL! SO IT IS NOW ! AND SO IT WILL STAY FOR EVER !
Nation is one thing, State is something else!
Palestinians never had their own flag! No passport! No currency! No recognized teritorial borders! No central government! No legislative or judiciary body of their own or any civil and social infrastructures ! So is the case to this day!! Aspirations and dreams are a good begining!... the modern Isrel is a perfect example !!
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P.S.
I'm holding now in my hand, a 2000 years old coin and I can read in Hebrew :- "SHANA GIMEL LEHERUT ISRAEL"
Can you do that?!...
Israel must defend itself because no one else will. When arab states decided not to support UN General Assembly Resolution 181 back in 1947, a resolution which would have created a new arab state along with an Israeli state, they made clear their intent. They had their chance at a palestinian state but rejected it; they would rather go to war. So those same muslims nations immediately attacked Israel as soon as it was declared a state on May 14, 1948 but it didn't do them any good - the muslims failed miserably.
Personally, I love Israel because it's the muslim Achilles heel, the Jewish wrench thrown into the muslim machine (and it's still in there, still creating havoc), the Jewish thorn in the muslim side that won't stop festering. muslims can't get past it, they can't deal with it. They could never allow the existence of a Jewish state but there it is and it's thriving. They still bristle a full 60 years later about the abomination of the Jewish state, the catastrophe to end all catastrophes, and they just can't get over it. Personally I think it's delightful to see a very successful Jewish democratic state as a pearl among swine, rightfully able to defend itself against the seething muslims that surround it.
Instead of firing back at the general area where missiles were fired from, Israel should bomb one of the buildings missiles were seen to be moved to after the last explosion in a South Lebanon village.
The United States Congressional Record
1922 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
National Home for
THE JEWISH PEOPLE JUNE 30, 1922
HOUSE RESOLUTION 360 - UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED
"Palestine of today, the land we now know as Palestine, was peopled by the Jews from the dawn of history until the Roman era. It is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people. They were driven from it by force by the relentless Roman military machine and for centuries prevented from returning. At different periods various alien people succeeded them but the Jewish race had left an indelible impress upon the land.
Today it is a Jewish country. Every name, every landmark, every monument and every trace of whatever civilization remaining there is still Jewish. And it has ever since remained a hope, a longing, as expressed in their prayers for these nearly 2,000 years. No other people has ever claimed Palestine as their national home. No other people has ever shown an aptitude or indicated a genuine desire to make it their homeland. The land has been ruled by foreigners. Only since the beginning of the modern Zionist effort may it be said that a creative, cultural, and economic force has entered Palestine. The Jewish Nation was forced from its natural home. It did not go because it wanted to.
A perusal of Jewish history, a reading of Josephus, will convince the most skeptical that the grandest fight that was ever put up against an enemy was put up by the Jew. He never thought of leaving Palestine. But he was driven out. But did he, when driven out, give up his hope of getting back? Jewish history and Jewish literature give the answer to the question. The Jew even has a fast day devoted to the day of destruction of the Jewish homeland.
Never throughout history did they give up hope of returning there. I am told that 90 per cent of the Jews today are praying for the return of the Jewish people to its own home. The best minds among them believe in the necessity of reestablishing their Jewish land. To my mind there is something prophetic in the fact that during the ages no other nation has taken over Palestine and held it in the sense of a homeland; and there is something providential in the fact that for 1,800 years it has remained in desolation as if waiting for the return of the people."
Congressman Frank Appleby N.J.
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...........throughout history, no one called the land called Palestine a country, it appears on no maps, it never had a government....Palestine was just a name for a location not a country.....Palestinians began to refer the area as their country somewhere around 1948 at the demands of the Muslim leadership at the time....The Muslims were looking for fuel for a fire...something to create conflict...something to use against the Jews....
as Abdullah Mikail was helpful in pointing out:
"Since you are fond of swuealing about "historical rights!" on or around 135 AD Hadrian expelled the Jewish presence"
the Jews were there first....
Pulsar, thank you for posting this House Resolution. I am keeping a copy to throw back at the next troller that comes by.
Speaking of trollers, I am very happy to see something I had expected for a long time: talkbackers here are not engaging the troll anymore, but rather talking about him (or her...)- treating "it" as invisible must drive them nuts, hehehe! He can drown in hummus for all i care.
I also loved the comment, "I have in my hands a 2000 year old coin, saying 'five shekels-buys you a Monit drive', have you got one like it?" LOL!
If they ever find Atlantis, wanna bet these bums will say it is muslim?
As far as I am concerned, Pulsar, you can add "supernova" to your nick any time you see fit! Spot On!
NO in answer to all your questions!
Were`nt the Philistines the people God told the jews to defeat before they could access the land of Canaan that He gave them,which was then to be called Israel?
NO in answer to all your questions!
Were`nt the Philistines the people God told the jews to defeat before they could access the land of Canaan that He gave them,which was then to be called Israel?
2 muslims sitting in the gazza strip drinking goat milk
one pulls out a picture of his son and says
this is my oldest son, hes a martyr
the second arab pulls out a picture
and says this is my second son, and hes a martyr too
the first muslim sighs,
and says
they blow up so quick don't they?
2 muslims sitting in the gazza strip drinking goat milk
one pulls out a picture of his son and says
this is my oldest son, hes a martyr
the second arab pulls out a picture
and says this is my second son, and hes a martyr too
the first muslim sighs,
and says
they blow up so quick don't they?
(audible sigh) It's a little more complicated than that.
There has always been an Arab and a Jewish presence there in the Holy Land.
In ancient times there was about a 400 year period the Jews vacated willingly to Egypt following Joseph due to the wealth of food and material in Egypt.
They later the Jews returned following Moses.
They refused to enter Cannan and were doomed to wander forty years in the wilderness...then they followed Joshua into Cannan.
Assyria conquered and ended Jewish kingdom in 722 B.C.
Assyrian Empire fell to Babylonians around 612 B.C.
Babyloniaʼs King Nebuchadnezzar captured Jerusalem in 586 B.C.
- Babylonians destroyed the Temple
- took thousands of enslaved Jews to Babylon
Persians conquered Babylonia, 539 B.C.; practiced religious tolerance
Persian king Cyrus freed Jewish exiles, let them return to Judah
Jews rebuilt Solomonʼs Temple in Jerusalem by 515 B.C.
The Romans razed the temple in 70 AD
Then the Roman Hadrian crushed the Jewish rebellion, expelled them, and renamed the land Syria Palestina.
135 AD Hadrian expelled the Jewish presence.
So the on again off again people of the Jewish tribes have been, just like the Arabs, always in on and around the Holy Land in different capacities.
Only recently was the country Israel formed, this is a fact you can not dispute. There was never a country named Israel until May 14th, 1948.
Peace
Abdullah
Neither in AD 70 nor in AD 135 did the Romans succeed in rendering Eretz Israel Judenrein. They killed thousands and enslaved thousands; but thousands remained, and others returned from exile.
Here is a brief historical summary of the period between the destruction of the Temple by the Romans in the 1st century, and the arrival of the Arab Muslim jihadis in the 7th century, that I have put together from a variety of sources.
AD 70 and AD 135. Romans killed or enslaved thousands of people and destroyed the temple. However, they did not remove all Jews from the land. Many of those who were enslaved were redeemed by their fellow Jews and returned; many of those who fled the fighting also returned.
The land of Israel was not officially called Palestine by anyone until after 135; that name was given by the Romans. Jews never adopted the term.
After the destruction of the temple the Romans forbade Jews to enter *Jerusalem* but Jews were *not* banned from living in other parts of the land.
From 70 AD – Lydda/ Lod was a centre of Jewish learning. Rabbi Akiva’s school had 24 000 students.
2C - 3C AD - synagogue built in Gaza (when Muslims invaded, at some point it was razed and a mosque was built over it). Jews continued to live in Gaza until the 7C., and also lived there in the later Middle Ages.
200-215 AD: The Mishna was completed in the town of Tiberias.
In 203 AD the town of Sepphoris/ Tzipori in Galilee – near the present-day site of Nazareth – was a centre of Jewish scholarship; the city was a large Jewish town in AD 351, and until the 7 C Jews were the majority there.
The Capernaum synagogue (found by archaeologists) dates from the period between 2-4 C AD.
Archaeologists have found many other synagogue sites dating from the period between 200 AD and the Moslem invasion in the early 7th Century; these ruins have been found everywhere from the Golan and Galilee to Jericho to the Judean hills.
This means that up until the Arab Moslem invasion, despite some terrible riots and persecutions at the hands of certain Roman emperors and then (after Constantine) at the hands of some of the Byzantine Christians, there remained in Israel whole villages and towns of Jews, making a living as farmers, artisans, merchants and scholars, and prosperous enough to build large synagogues with fine mosaic floors.
Many Jews still lived and worked as farmers, owning land. Until the 7th century Jews probably formed a majority in this region.
AD 341 – Hammat synagogue built. Synagogue at Chorazim/ Korazim.
351: Under the emperor Gallus, Jews in Sepphoris, Tiberias and Lod were violently persecuted.
359: Hillel the Second devises the Jewish lunar calendar.
399- Jewish communities in exile collected funds for Jews in Jerusalem.
AD 400 (approx): ‘Jerusalem’ Talmud completed at Tiberias.
About this time, a synagogue was built in what is now the Druze village of Isfiya on Mt Carmel. The ruins were discovered in 1930.
419-422 – Monks led violent riots against the Jews in ‘Palestine’ – communities and their synagogues were destroyed.
Between 438 and 527 the local Christians were occupied with internal theological disputes; the Jews were left alone and many synagogues were built in the north and also in the south.
AD 508: date of synagogue found in Gaza. Same period – beautiful mosaic synagogue floor created in Tiberias.
547 – Caesarea: Jews and Samaritans were massacred by the local Christians.
AD 600: there was a large Jewish community in Gaza – keeping vineyards and making wine.
NOTE – During this period (Roman and then [Christian] Byzantine) the population in the cities and farmlands was overwhelmingly NON-‘Arab’.
It consisted of Aramaic-speaking indigenous Jews and Samaritans, together with Aramaic-speaking Christians, some of Jewish ancestry, some (of Gentile origin) from lands to the north or north-west; and Greco-Roman Christians [not ethnically Jewish *or* Aramaic] who settled in the Holy Land during the Byzantine period.
The only ‘Arabs’ were Bedouins raiding and thieving along the borderlands to the east and south.
In AD 614 there may have been 150 000 Jews in at least 43 different settlements in Israel.
Here
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256150034067&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
is a nice article about a synagogue in the Golan, in a Jewish village that was inhabited by Jews right through the Roman and the Christian-Byzantine period, up until the seventh century, that is, until* the time of the Arab Muslim imperial invasion; at which time (surprise, surprise) the village was 'abandoned' and the synagogue destroyed.