Sharia Alert. And where are they getting this idea? Which benevolent, compassionate verses of the Qur'an are they misunderstanding? Well, there's Qur'an 5:38:
"As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power."
And Qur'an 5:33: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."
Sharia Alert. "Somali Islamist group chop off limps of suspected robbers," from Xinhua, October 10:
MOGADISHU, Oct. 10 (Xinhua) -- The radical Islamist group of Al-Shabaab on Friday carried out amputations on three men alleged to have robbed a car in the southern Somali port town of Kismayu, residents said on Saturday.
Islamist fighters cut off a foot and a hand on each of the two men. The third man, who already had a disabled hand, had only a foot amputated.
The Islamists accused the men of robbing a car in Kismayu, 500 km south of the country's capital Mogadishu.
Hundreds of local residents, mainly women and children, gathered to watch the amputations being carried out by masked men in the city center.
Movies and television? No. Public amputations? Why, bring the whole family!
The young men were screaming for help as they underwent the amputations carried out with big, sharp knifes, residents said. They were rushed to the hospital after the punishment.
The hardline Islamist group of Al-Shabaab controls much of southern and central Somalia. Such amputations, executions, and floggings of criminals and opposition individuals were usually carried out by the group in areas under their control including parts of the Somali capital.
The Islamist group, considered by the Somali government and the United States as a terrorist organization, is fighting the Somali government and African Union peacekeeping forces in Mogadishu, in pursuit of the establishment of an Islamic State in Somalia.
They made the mistake of trying to rob fellow Mulims. That is haram. Now if they'd stuck to robbing infidels ... no problemo! ;o) Dog
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Mulims? Muslims!
"The hardline Islamist group of Al-Shabaab controls much of southern and central Somalia. Such amputations, executions, and floggings of criminals and opposition individuals were usually carried out by the group in areas under their control including parts of the Somali capital."
Probably enforcing the milder form of Shar'ia law the Muslims keep telling you about...
Barbarians. Absolute barbarians.
There's a cultural divide here that seems almost uncrossable: watching as fellow humans are painfully and cruelly mutilated, and taking children to the horror spectacle, is simply beyond our comprehension.
Will time narrow the divide, as Somalia catches up with the modern world? Will education do the job, as young Somali children learn that the world is bigger than their oppressive "Horn" and is full of mind-stretching ideas?
Both scenarios hold out some hope that Somalia will emerge from the dark hell-hole it is, but the main root of these atrocious "judicial" punishments is Islam. Only a decline of Islam will definitively hasten this closure as Somalis leave behind a cruel creed and learn that compassion and humane treatment are the preferable and enlightened path of the future. But don't hold your breathe.
Calling these muslims barbarians, is an insult to barbarians!
"Eyeless in Gaza" is now "Limbless in Somalia".
Big question - why are we allowing the advocates of amputation into this country? Should we re-think our immigration policies? Where is our Dear Leader on this topic?
Perhaps he is still finding room on the shelf for the Nobel Prize.
"The young men were screaming for help as they underwent the amputations carried out with big, sharp knifes, residents said."
Where's the "water boarding is torture" crowd's outrage? Oh, I forgot, we must be sensitive to variant "cultural" practices. After all the 11th commandment (or is it the 0th) clearly states: "Thou shalt not cause cultural offense unless it's against the degenerate western culture."
"They were rushed to the hospital after the punishment."
Islam is truly a compassionate faith.
From post above...There's a cultural divide here that seems almost uncrossable: watching as fellow humans are painfully and cruelly mutilated, and taking children to the horror spectacle, is simply beyond our comprehension.
In the old days of witch burnings, whole villages, including children attended...The proceedings were not only brutal and depraved, they were often sexual in nature...If it was a good looking young woman witch, the burning was slowed, and her cloths were ripped off, so that her naked agony could be observed by the crowd...This is clearly depraved...
Not only that, it is clearly Satanic or worse...
These atrocities were carried out in the name of Christianity by demons masquerading as Christians...
With Islam and sharia, there is no masquerading going on...
Atrocities carried out by submitters of Allah, for the benefit of Allah are written in law, and carried out by the devout...This is what Allah want's...He's not as merciful as Mahoundians would have us believe...
What does this have to do with the West. How can you scaremonger others into believing a group is trying to impose its way on you, when you yourself are doing the exact same thing!!! Actually, Muslim countries have significantly lower crime rates than western nations!!! and Sharia is one of the reasons!!! Look at your countries where robberies, stabbings, vicious random attacks of violence and other anti social crimes are daily occurrences. Look at yourselves before u judge other systems.
You stupid Mohammedan.
Females in Islamic countries are too afraid to report crimes against them because THEY will be blamed for rape and incest and molestation since the female-hating shar'ia law rules.
Your "Allah," a pagan moon deity that doesn't exist (it's Warlord Mohamet) is responsible for the murders and mass-murders of "Infidels" and also of Islamic peoples. But, no one dares say so, as Islamic countries have no freedom of speech.
jowen - your Islamic countries have SUICIDE BOMBINGS ALL THE TIME, AND ROBBERIES AND STABBINGS AND VICIOUS RANDOM ATTACKS OF VIOLENCE. EVERYONE IN THE WORLD KNOWS THAT. SO, SHUT-UP.
Islamic countries - The most crime-ridden countries in the world, especially against females.
"allah" - NO "compassion" and NO "mercy."
What else can you expect from a Warlord?
"allah" - NO "compassion" and NO "mercy."
What else can you expect from a Warlord?
""Somali Islamist group chop off limps of suspected robbers,"
Once again Shar'ia law institutes its draconian and barbaric laws using only accusations/suspicions...no real court, no defense attorneys allowed, no presentations of witnesses or evidence....just suspicions...
As usual, Muslims just round up some poor saps ....accuse them...zap them...and then go out searching for more Muslim victims..they would normally be looking for Christians, but the Somalis have just about eliminated all of them...but all is well, Allah allows Muslims to be abused by other Muslims...gotta see the flowing blood...don't cha know?...
Happy to! Do you really want to go over crime statistics from Egypt, Jordan, Nigeria, and Indonesia? Also, Western countries do not amputate limbs for crimes committed. So, why do some Islamic countries follow this practice? Do you advocate beheadings, stonings, lashing, and amputations? If you find such practices s dandy, why not move to Afghanistan or Somalia?
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Egypt does not impose Sharia law, and relative to Muslim countries it has a high crime rate, but compared to Western countries its still nowhere near as bad. Jordan again does not impose sharia law for crimes, and also has a very low crime rate when compared to western nations. Also what you have to consider is the extreme poverty in those places and still the crime rates are lower than the West. Although life in the USA is not as depicted by Hollywood where 1% of the reality is shown in 99% of movies and sitcoms. With the 1% being shown being the colleges, uni classes and workplaces where everyone is beautiful with a 6 pac or perfect bodies, everyone lives in a big house or has rich parents , drives a new car etc. Lol, what about the other 99% of ghettos, polluted cities, obese people, ugly people and dumb people, we only have to look at Robert to see that most in the USA do not have a 6 pac and chiseled features.
How do you know? where you there PULSARI? I cannot comment on the specifics of that case because I was not there, so it's possible that the convictions were based on rumour, conjecture and suspicion, I will never comment without facts or sources to back up my arguments. But, I can comment about Sharia, and in Sharia the judicial process that one has to go to before having a limb amputated is very stringent!!!! And usually for thievery amputations are only carried in the case of PLANNED AND PERSISTENT offending motivated by greed. The punishment for rape is execution for the rapist with no blame attributed to the victim, this is backed up by various hadiths and also examples in early Muslim history, including one when a Caliph executed his own son for raping a woman!!! Modern examples where woman are persecuted for being explicitly for being raped are cultural!!! Sharia never punishes women for being raped, but if they willingly went to meet a non mehram and were willingly alone with that non-mehram then they can be punished for that as it is a crime in Sharia. It like this if someone is the victim of a crime while committing a crime themselves does that exempt them from prosecution for the crime they were committing?
"Egypt does not impose Sharia law, and relative to Muslim countries it has a high crime rate, but compared to Western countries its still nowhere near as bad. Jordan again does not impose sharia law for crimes, and also has a very low crime rate when compared to western nations."
You are quite amusing. Do you have any sources to back up your claims?
"With the 1% being shown being the colleges, uni classes and workplaces where everyone is beautiful with a 6 pac or perfect bodies, everyone lives in a big house or has rich parents , drives a new car etc. Lol, what about the other 99% of ghettos, polluted cities, obese people, ugly people and dumb people, we only have to look at Robert to see that most in the USA do not have a 6 pac and chiseled features."
My, do you take television shows and movies that seriously? As for the other comments, they just dissolve into a childish rant.
Hers is some real information for you to chew on:
http://www.success-and-culture.net/articles/percapitaincome.shtml
Check out Jordan, Egypt, and even Syria. You should also compare them to Western countries. Enjoy.
One final point, THE concern for people like these thieves, or Rifqa Barry etc is testament to the hypocrisy of Robert Spencer and his ilk. You do not care about them as individuals, only the opportunity it presents to propagate your anti Islam stance, under the pretense of human caring. LOL, what about those bombed to bits by US missiles and bombs, or those incinerated by MK77 and all the other chemical weapons used by the USA, what about those orphaned or whose homes and lives have been destroyed? What about the countless Gazan children who have been stuck in their apartments for several days, before being rescued, besides their decapitated family killed by Israeli missile strikes? What about the 500,000 Iraqi kids killed by US sanctions from 1990-2000?
jowen
I have a question for you.
Sharia prescribes that if someone leaves Islam for another religion, or to become an atheist, that person must be killed.
In Somali, that rule has been carried out: Somalis have been killed for no 'crime' other than that of changing their religion from Islam, to Christianity.
Do *you* agree with, and approve of, that sharia rule, that anyone who leaves Islam must be killed as punishment?
Yes or No?
If someone you knew - a friend, a sister or brother, a cousin, a neighbour -stopped being a Muslim and joined another religion, or became an atheist, would *you* kill that person, as sharia says that you must?
Yes or No?
If someone you knew - a friend, a sister or brother, a cousin, a neighbour -stopped being a Muslim and joined another religion, or became an atheist, would *you* help other Muslims to kill that person, since sharia says they must be killed?
Yes or No?
"What does this have to do with the West. How can you scaremonger others into believing a group is trying to impose its way on you, when you yourself are doing the exact same thing!!! Actually, Muslim countries have significantly lower crime rates than western nations!!! and Sharia is one of the reasons!!! Look at your countries where robberies, stabbings, vicious random attacks of violence and other anti social crimes are daily occurrences. Look at yourselves before u judge other systems."
So what if we have to cut off a few limbs, behead a few, stone a few? Once the population is sufficiently terrorized peace and harmony will reign. You see the ends DO indeed justify the means.
This has been the rallying cry of the oppressor since the dawn of human history. Sharia, sorry to say, offers nothing new here - except for a little religious window dressing.
Therefore please don't waste our time and yours attempting to hold it up as some model for emulation, we've seen it before and have rejected it. If you prefer it there are, unfortunately, many countries where Sharia is practiced (either officially or unofficially) where you can partake of its benefits. Good luck to you.
I do not know the intricacies of that aspect of Sharia. Tell me what is the punishment for treason in the USA? I believe it is death or life in prison, same for pretty much any country in the West.
So if we look at the injunction of death for apostasy in Islam it came during a time when the Ummah was small and surrounded by hostile Meccans and less directly (until its expansion across the Peninsular) the Persian and Byzantine Empires. Islam is the easiest club to join, do the Shahada and you are accepted, so naturally espionage against the Muslims, or Muslims jumping ship for riches offered was a reality. And death was prescribed for what was then more like treason.
I believe that anyone who conspires against Islam should be punished by death, just like most Americans will believe that those who conspire against the USA should also be punished by death.
Jowen: I observe I have my answer.
It is a 'Yes'. Yes to the killing of anyone who tries to leave Islam (and I observe that in the course of your despicable and laughable attempt to equate American law concerning *political* treason [which law has nothing whatever to do with a person's *religion*], with Muslim totalitarian sharia that requires that a person who starts worshipping a God different from 'allah', or who decides there might not be any god, must be killed)
You are too gutless to come right out and say Yes, all apostates from Islam must be executed.
But that is what your 'answer', such as it is, boils down to.
I assume, from that answer, that you firmly believe that Rifqa Bary, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Nonie Darwish, Canon Patrick Sookhdeo, Ibn Warraq, Magdi Cristiano Allam, and many others less well known, are all evil 'traitors' and deserving of the death penalty for having decided that they don't want to be Muslims, and for choosing to become something else.
I assume you would slit Rifqa Bary's throat for having committed the capital crime of ceasing to be a Muslim.
Seems to me that you would also kill any Christian evangelist found discussing the Christian gospel with a Muslim...since it appears that you regard any activity of that kind as 'conspiring against Islam'.
In which case, if you are presently living in, say, the UK, the USA, Australia, or any other majority-non-Muslim country that practises freedom of religion, LEAVE NOW. GET THE HELL OUT.
And if you are in dar al Islam, then STAY THERE and do not even think about entering the lands of the non-Muslims.
You are no better than a mafioso thug who kills anyone who tries to leave The Mob.
Post scriptum.
Ladies and gentlemen - observe jowen's despicable attempt to equate the US treason laws, with the sharia prescription that anyone who leaves Islam (and anyone who invites a Muslim to leave Islam) must be killed.
It is a false analogy.
Because why should not a person who leaves one religion for another, be viewed simply as resembling a person who decides to leave one country and go and become a loyal citizen of another? If a United States citizen leaves America and becomes a naturalised citizen of, say, France or Australia (and in the process, of course, gives up their American citizenship), would the United States prosecute that person for committing 'treason' or for 'conspiring against the United States'? For the mere act of leaving? Would the US send a hit squad after them to kill them?
It is very telling that 'jowen' seems to view the Ummah, or Muslim mob, as a kind of superstate...a superstate of exactly the same paranoid and murderous totalitarian sort as, say, Communist East Germany, which refused to allow any of its inhabitants to leave, on pain of death.
And thus those who leave Islam, and embrace another faith, are analogous to those persons desirous of freedom, who during the Cold War risked their lives trying to leave Communist East Germany.
Anyways, my answer clearly states that I believe the rule regarding apostasy was implemented for what in practice was treason. I also clearly stated that I believe that executing those who act, conspire, or support, to harm the Ummah should face trial and my concern to what happens to them would be no different to your non-existent concern for the 1000000s of innocent people who have been killed, maimed, or had their lives destroyed in other ways, by the imperialist policies of the USA.
Alaiykum
Jowen.
If you are living in any free majority-nonMuslim country: LEAVE.
You do not believe a human being has a right to choose their own religion.
You do not believe a human being born into Islam has the right to leave it, if they want to, and NOT BE KILLED FOR SO DOING.
I repeat: If you're in any part of *our* countries - GET OUT. NOW.
If you are in Australia I do not want you here. Every human being here has the right to change their religion...or to be an atheist, if that's what they choose; and they won't be killed for so doing.
If you're in the UK, you're not wanted: theoretically at least, everyone in the UK has the right to change their religion, or to be an atheist, without being killed for so doing.
If you're in the USA, or Canada, or Europe, you don't belong: in those countries, too, everyone has the right to *change* their religion, or even become an atheist, without being killed for so doing.
You don't agree people should have the freedom to change their religion? You think any Muslim who leaves Islam for something else, and also any person who invites a Muslim to leave Islam, should be killed, as a 'traitor' and 'conspirator', for 'attacking the Ummah'?
If you're anywhere in the west - LEAVE. NOW. We don't want you. You don't belong here. We don't want any part of your ugly sharia.
And quit trying to play the victim card. All you're doing is projecting onto us kafir your own total lack of compassion for 'the Other'. I observe that Muslims have no compassion for anybody except themselves - as it says in Quran surah 48 verse 29 - cruelty toward the non-Muslims, compassion only for fellow Muslims. You're TOLD to be 'harsh' toward us. So why do you persist in asking *us* to pity *you*? What appalling arrogance, to demand that we non-Muslims must feel compassion toward you, you who are told by your 'religion', and believe, that you have a right to be CRUEL and HARSH toward *us*??
Just to repeat: if you're currently in a 'western' country, LEAVE.
If you're in an Islamic country - STAY THERE.