The Wall Street Journal is very pleased that the U.S. military is using ex-jihadists to fight against those who are still jihadists in Afghanistan. It's all in "U.S. Teams Up With Ex-Mujahedeen" by Yochi J. Dreazen, October 10.
And in the course of the article there is the obligatory denial that those who are waging war in the name of Islam and jihad are actually waging war for Islam and jihad. In this article it's put this way:He said that there are key differences between the two generations of Islamic fighters. Capt. Suleimanjan says that while the mujahedeen tried to avoid harming civilians, the Taliban have killed Afghan engineers working on roads and burned down several schools. "They use the name of Islam, but it's fake," he said.So it appears that Captain Suleimanjan is angry that the Taliban kills Afghan engineers -- i.e., their fellow Muslims. This is in accord with the Koran: "It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless (it be) by mistake" (4:92). The Taliban, of course, would argue that in fighting against them or aiding the resistance to them, these engineers had rendered themselves enemies of Islam, and thus lawfully to be killed. But in any case, while disagreement may stand on that point, what does Captain Suleimanjan think when the Taliban kills Infidels? That doesn't seem to play a part in his indignation over what the Taliban does -- at least from what can be seen in this article.
It's too bad that there are no reporters on the Wall Street Journal staff or anywhere else who would know to ask people like Captain Suleimajan such questions, or dare to do so.
Muslim 1- You aren't a true muslim.
Muslim 2 - No, you're not a true muslim.
Muslim 1- No, it's you that is not a true muslim.
Repeat - infinity.
Also:
Looks like they are arresting the anti-islam demonstrators again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1219446/Hundreds-protesters-face-anti-Islamic-demonstration.html
Borg - not necessarily!
The arrests are reported in a way deliberately designed to make it sound as if it's just the 'right-wing' protestors being arrested for causing violence, but it's likely - as with the one in London back in September when there was just a riot of muslims because the EDL didn't even show up - that it was the muslims / UAF being arrested at the protests. The article said that four EDL people were arrested *before* they even got to the protest "in a bid to avert problems", so they hadn't done anything wrong, besides Thought Crimes.
Reading between the lines it seems as if the muslims / UAF are the only ones being violent, and all the EDL are guilty of is displaying our flag. But that doesn't fit with the MSM modus operandi so they can't report the truth...
He said that there are key differences between the two generations of Islamic fighters. Capt. Suleimanjan says that while the mujahedeen tried to avoid harming civilians, the Taliban have killed Afghan engineers working on roads and burned down several schools. "They use the name of Islam, but it's fake," he said.
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What utter crap. The "Mujahedeen" killed Muslim Afghan engineers and officials working with the Russians, as well as random Afghan civilians that got in the way--*exactly* as they are now killing such people who are working with the Americans or with the Karzai government.
Jihadists either consider such people "apostates" because they are working against Islam, or as collateral damage who will be granted paradise by Allah--so it doesn't matter.
And there are some few Muslims, such as Capt. Suleimanjan, who are disturbed by this wanton killing of Muslims, and consider it "un-Islamic". As for killing the Kufr Infidel, that is--as you have noted--always and ever Halal.
The WSJ represents a major voice of the international business community, which is largely Islam-friendly. It's only selected religious groups that are emphatically anti-Jihad as they have everything to lose from Islam.
alleycat - you're British? So far as I can see, the only thing to do is for groups like the EDL and the SIOE to persevere, and to work hard at gathering up as many non-Muslim British citizens as they can, of as many visibly different ethnic backgrounds and non-Muslim faiths as they can get, and make their demonstrations as large and colourful and interesting and eyecatching as possible. Imagine a contingent of fervently-evangelical Afro-Caribbean Christians singing gospel songs, for example (with a bunch of Welshmen singing along enthusiastically). Or a contingent of Sikhs in full regalia, escorting the parade. Do it right and any claims of 'racism' and fascism will be plainly evident as nonsensical.
The EDL should change its name to the "Socratic Defense League" or the "Freethinkers Defense League" or some such to try to deflect the distraction that it is somehow a "nationalist" or "fascist" group.
This is war not a bloody carnival
I know it's war. That's why I mentioned the Sikhs...their formal regalia includes the sword by which they fought the Mohammedans back from India.
And why would not some of the rousing Welsh hymns, say, be a good morale-raiser for people who face having to go up against howling Mohammedan thugs? (For that matter, in any Scottish protests a few bagpipers wouldn't be a bad idea...at the back, skirling for the onset! After all: that's what the bagpipes *are*...battle music.)
What I'm trying to brainstorm is the psy-ops/ propaganda side of things. *We Infidels have way better songs than the opposition*! And we know they hate music. So use it!
The most valuable thing about the media coverage of the EDL demo (the picture in the Daily Mail) and even the BBC coverage of the march in Wales, was that the big placards proclaiming opposition to Sharia were beautifully visible.
I thought the EDL poster shown in the Daily Mail picture - the one reading loud and clear 'No Sharia Here' - was very well done: most striking, it showed up lovely in the photograph; every single Daily Mail reader would have been able to read the words. Thus the word 'sharia' and the idea of resistance to it, and rejection of it, enters people's minds and sticks there...and then, perhaps, connects up with some of the things that people like Bishop Nazir-Ali and Patrick Sookhdeo have been saying in public about sharia.
And if people go a-googling to find out what 'sharia' is, they may, among other things, lob in here, or even at Canon Sookhdeo's Barnabas Fund site, where they can get hold of a FREE booklet that explains all about it.
I could not agree more. Islam is the actual or potential anyone who is not a Moslem. Gather them all and bring them out. Let every color and hue come out in opposition to the totalitarian system, which is Islam.
Graven,
Not to mention the epidemic of rape that the Mujahedeen systematically visited upon the girls and widows of Afghanistan. This was one of the reasons the Afghan people initially embraced the Taliban; they were promised an end to lawlessness and rape, a promise largely kept, but which carried with it a totalitarian "motif" that would have impressed Orwell.
Hi DD et al,
Just wanted to add that one email I got from the EDL specifically stated that anyone can join, even muslims…but not one has.
“Pakistan competes with India for strategic space in Afghanistan and sees it as a fall-back position in the event of a war with India.”
What a brilliant statement. Seems Pac(clean)istan might believe that a war it needs to instigate because of the islamic ideology will be lost and that a fall back position will be needed once the Indian troops mop up. No wonder the ISI is giving all the support it can to the Taliban.
DDA, yes I am British, and live in the comfortable South East (not London!), so it's beyond frustrating when I try to tell them what's at stake to hear people acting like there's nothing to worry about just because it's not on our doorstep yet.
Having just lived for 3 years in inner-city Cardiff for uni, and visited plenty of other places around the country where muslims are a looming presence, it's clear that it's *not* just fear-mongering. We don't need any more lawsuits, censorship, violence and intimidation than there already are.
I love what you say about jazzing up the protests with costumes and song, especially from Welsh men - maybe it would be even more impressive to have them do a rugby 'hakka' (sp?) chant with accompanying dance, that's always terrifying!
It makes some sense what you say, especially in the light that UAF used music at the Manchester Demo
Unfortunately the UAF have the support of most british musicians.
The UAF doesn't own *all* the musicians. It doesn't control the change-ringers...or I'd be very surprised if it did.
Did you catch my posting (in the thread discussing the Muslim who manipulated council noise regs in order to silence the hymn-singing in a loud and happy black English church) in which I re-posted a story that 'Dominic', necessitasnonhabetlegem, told us here in late 2006?
Here's part of that posting by Dominic. (He had been in the Country, attending the local parish church near where his parents, the Tabrar-Synge family, were resident):
'After communion - and over a good cup of tea, this is England after all - I was speaking with the Tower Captain of that particular church
'and he informed me that a planned ring of Grandsire Doubles with triple dodging above on Saturday had had to be cancelled *because the local mosk had objected and appealed to the local council to have the ring stopped.
'*The Council issued a noise abatement order which effectively prohibits the ringing of any bells in the tower indefinitely* {my emphasis - dda}.
'I hope that all of you can imagine just how angry I now feel.
'However, I must inform you that the ring will go ahead despite the local council's ruling and all the ringers are prepared to be taken into court if necessary - a lawyer has been retained and they are going to fight this one.
'*I also learnt from this particular Tower Captain that such actions are happening all over the UK and are always being challenged by the ringers* {my emphasis - dda}.
I have no idea how one would go about finding and making contact (and then, alliance) with teams of angry change-ringers whose complex traditional art the Muslims have silenced, or tried to silence, by manipulation of local council noise regs; but it might be worth a try. It seems to me that such people might be *just* the people to form alliance with local chapters of the EDL or of the SIOE, and come out fighting...or ringing their bells loudly and defiantly for the duration of any local anti-sharia Event, perhaps even as a coordinated protest country-wide. Any vicar prepared (as Dominic's parents' vicar must have been) to let his team of ringers retain a lawyer and challenge the Muslim-instigated prohibition on the ringing of bells, would probably be quite willing to engage in such action.
Especially if one informed the associations of change ringers, around the UK, that the *real* reason the Muslims are trying to silence the bells, is because in Muslim-controlled lands, under sharia law, the ringing of Christian church bells is normally forbidden; that in places as far apart in space and time as early medieval Spain and the Balkans , the first thing Muslims did in the conquered lands, was destroy the church bells. Sometimes the bells were even melted down.
Brother Dumbledoresarmy: If we're going to pull in non-Islamic traditions, why not have your Scots demonstrators sing the metrical version of Psalm 68 against the demonstrators? It's what the Ironsides sang as they went into battle.
Here's a photo stream taken by someone who was at the demos. A few to the right, dozens to the left of the browse arrow.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshuakaitlyn/3999230616/in/photostream/
We've been trying for over two years to get different communities to attend our demonstrations in force. They will soon.
This is the usual tactic of wreckers and ringers - to try and get them to change.
Start your own Socratic Defence League, then change the name when somebody says so, then change it again.
That way people won't know what the hell is happening.
Maybe Jihad Watch should change to Misunderstander of Islam. What do you think?
That's it in a nutshell! Even if everybody in the world converted to Islam, there'd still be no peace.
Oh DDA, you mentioning Dominic made me cry. What a loss to JW! I loved him like a brother.
CGW
Borg and Infidel Pride,
The Islamic obsession with purity is so pathologically fanatical and paranoid, it will never be satisfied with the purity of its own Body Theologic and will forever be rooting out internal enemies. Interestingly, one could say that one of the main things that has prevented Islam from devouring itself and self-destructing, has been the existence of external enemies which diverts enough of their internally destructive energies outward.
Hesperado - Exactly so.
Hi Stephan,,
You are doing great work
Maybe you could invite Robert to speak at the upcoming demo, and he could bring his Israeli flag and saxophone
borg - I clicked on that link - what a horrible face - the hijabette (as Granny Weatherwax says) in the front looks like Islamic Rage Boy has got a soul mate - Islamic Rage Girl.
A couple of days ago, when Muslim rioters were attacking the Jewish police in the Old City in Jerusalem, Muslim women on the rooftops were throwing down rocks (which shows it must have been pre-planned: why else would one have rocks on one's rooftop, unless they were carried up there a-purpose to be used as ammo?), and plant-pots. The Jerusalem Post carried a photograph of one of these women, in hijab, her face absolutely distorted with hatred, about to hurl a rock. Unfortunately I couldn't work out how to obtain a link for it, or I would have saved it: it was one of the most horrible, and disturbing, pictures I've ever seen, and a warning to all, that sometimes, as Kipling says, 'the female of the species is more deadly than the male'.
Hesperado
I came to the conclusion some time ago that the so-called 'inner spiritual struggle' jihad is the Muslim version of what we Infidels, in our vulgar way, call 'civil war'.
Jacques Ellul, in his mini-essay on jihad, written as preface for Bat Yeor's "The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam", observes:
"In Islam, on the contrary [that is, contrary to Christianity] jihad is a religious obligation. It forms part of the duties that the believer must fulfil; it is Islam's *normal* path to expansion. And this is found repeatedly dozens of times in the Koran. Therefore, the believer is not denying the religious message. Quite the reverse, jihad is the way he best obeys it. And the facts which are recorded meticulously and analyzed clearly show that the jihad is not a 'spiritual war' but a real military war of conquest. It expresses the agreement between the "fundamental {or foundational - dda} book" and the believers' practical strivings.
"But Bat Yeor shows that things are not so simple. *Since the jihad is not solely an external war, it can break out within the Muslim world itself - and wars among Muslims have been numerous, but always with the same features*" {my emphasis - dda}. END QUOTE
I would add that when carried out at personal level by the individual Muslim within or upon him/ herself this attempted process of 'purification' leads to either physical or spiritual self-murder; one has on the one hand the murder-'martyr' who immolates him or herself in the act of attempting to sacrifice as many other human beings [from a Designated Prey/ Victim group - either Infidels or 'impure' not-quite-Muslims] to 'allah' as possible; on the other, there is what I see as downright pathological attempt to suppress or annul the conscience and the will, to murder what we Infidels call the soul, and thus become a sort of empty vessel or vehicle for the Quranic 'program'. (And of course one has to do the latter to oneself, in order to be able to do the former).
*That* is why the prospect of Iran with atomic weapons gives me the willies.
"They use the name of Islam, but it's fake"
Ones Treasure is Diamonds,
Anothers Treasure is Rust.
What a point of view to start from.
Dumbledore's Army, I like your mention of church bells. It is interesting that in British and European folklore that it is devils and the nastier denizens of Faery--boggarts and such--that are held to have a deep aversion to church bells, and can be driven away by the sounds of their chiming.
I agree with CGW--I still miss Dominic very much--especially as a fellow lover of art, who understood how great the threat Islam represents to Britain and Europe's rich cultural traditions.
By the way, DDA--if you want to contact me, you might check out Dominic's memorial.
gravenimage - you suggested I check out 'Dominic's memorial'.
Is that the 'DOMINIC - Eternal Memory' link on the homepage here at jihadwatch, or is it something different?