Read this one sitting down. At the heart of this decision lie two absurd assumptions: First, there is the idea that fighting terrorism -- indeed, seeing that justice is served -- causes terrorism, and so not fighting quite so hard will make the enemy dial it back a notch, too. The second is the notion that there are "hearts and minds" that can be won over: Release people who hate Britain and were willing to act on that hatred in hope of making them and their friends hate the Sceptred Isle less.
What could possibly go wrong? "UK to release 30 top jihadis early to cut terror risk," by David Leppard for the Sunday Times, October 5:
Up to 30 "high-risk" terrorists -- including some of the most dangerous men in Britain --are due to be released from jail in the next year.
More are being freed in the wake of a ruling by Britain's most senior judges that long sentences for terrorist crimes could "inflame" rather than deter extremism.
An analysis of appeal court cases shows that of the 26 terrorism cases it has heard, 25 have led to men with terrorism convictions having their sentences reduced. Others are being released because they serve only part of their term.
The leniency of the British appeal court to some convicted terrorists contrasts with America where they can be locked up for their whole lives.One man designated "high risk" and due to be freed soon is Andrew Rowe, a Muslim convert who was found guilty of having notes on how to fire mortar bombs.
Rowe was sentenced to 15 years in 2005. He is due to be freed next April after his sentence was reduced to 10 years. Others who have had their terms cut include some of those who helped the failed suicide bombers of July 21, 2005 and two of those convicted of soliciting murder during the Danish cartoons protest.
The sentences were reduced after a key ruling in July 2008 by Lord Phillips, then the lord chief justice, and two other senior judges, who reduced Abdul Rahman's sentence from six to five years following his guilty plea for disseminating a terrorist publication. Rahman, a key al-Qaida player, recruited disaffected Muslims from England to fight British troops in Afghanistan.
I guess they just got tired of guarding them...
Yeah, the usual suspects:
http://sheikyermami.com/2009/10/04/look-who-listens-to-advice-from-the-mcb/
More are being freed in the wake of a ruling by Britain's most senior judges that long sentences for terrorist crimes could "inflame" rather than deter extremism.
I wish all of our British friends here on JW the very best in your battles to come; you all certainly have a full plate.
Whew ... at least they aren't going to allow Michael Savage into the U.K. now that would be dangerous ... he might eat up all of your pasta, or who knows what diabolical scheme he may have planned. *sarc off*
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It's hard to make up stuff like this. And just exactly what does the UK expect in return?
It sounds to me like its open season on British citizens....
In the US we try to keep our troublemakers in prison. I guess in the UK it's better off to let them roam free and mingle with the citizenry of that once great country...
But..one final question...what is the average Brit going to think now... when he or she heads to work or home on the tube..or let's the kids out for a Saturday afternoon to London?
1. Will I or my kids get home safely, alive. Every Israeli parent worries about that. Now the Brits can worry about it.
Or
2. How wonderful of our country to let out these people. We're safe now..they WILL do less mayhem and murder TO US..and besides..they'll probably kill someone outside of this wonderful country, this womb of kings, this England. Maybe on the continent, or maybe in America. Ah..relief.
1. Release dangerous mujahideen.
2. ???
3. UK safe from jihad warriors.
It is so important to try to please those cavemen, even if it is impossible to share the same planet.
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Can none of them be deported? Can any Western country revive the notion of exile? People who are promoting the destruction of their own country should be removed. These Muslims should be airlifted to Afghanistan and dumped in the tribal area. The tribes take great pride in their hospitality (as with Osama). Surely they'd welcome fellow Muslims.
A Western convert to Islam invariably becomes a terrorist. There's no doubt about that. Bin Laden calls these blokes Allah's horses. By all means they have to prove their affiliation to the self-appointed prophet's bloody doctrine. They aspire to be better than "native" Mohammedans. That's the only thing on their mind. How to release a ticking time-bomb like Rowe is beyond me.
It's going to get a lot more comical -- and tragic -- and pastoral-comical, historical-pastoral, tragical-historical, tragical-comical-historical -- before it gets any better.
I wonder when the next 7/7 will occur in Londonistan?
Probably not too far down the road.
The sentences were reduced after a key ruling in July 2008 by Lord Phillips, then the lord chief justice, and two other senior judges.
I wonder if the Lord Chief Justice ordered that these men undergo the Hare The Hare PCL-R Psycopathy checklist before their release to the streets of Britain? The British public should demand at least that much to make sure these guys are not prone to repeat offending.
I am betting that no tests will be conducted and that the convicts will re-offend.
They'll be welcomed as heroes and living martyrs in the Muslim community and will be setting a prime example for the Islamic youth, the future jihadists.
I even wonder if they'll even be forced to live in halfway houses after their release? Probably not.
I can see tourism packages to Britain going waaay down in price as the terrorism threats rise over there.
What foolishness.
www.veteranoutrage.com
Yep its an outrage
but wait until the muslims start blowing up buses again
or trains or hell just go on a shooting rampage..
do you know what will happen then?
Why the liberals will fire all of the policeman
and jail their intellgience officials..
and replace them all with muslims..
why they will be safer then..
MORONS..
this is why we have the second ammendment..
to protect ourselves from both muslims and their
liberal / democrat supporters..
IDIOTS..
a lot of people will DIE because of this foolishness..
I was sitting down, Marisol. It didn't help.
Lord Chief Justice Phillips, whose ruling contributed to this state of affairs, is on record last year as favouring sharia in some areas of law in England and Wales:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7488790.stm
He may understand English law. He is clearly clueless when it comes to Islamic law.
Something must be wrong with me because no matter how hard I try to comprehend the logic leading to this insane decision, my brain will not cooperate. I'm not a judge or a lawyer but I'm old enough to have been around the block a few times and my common sense has never failed me. Apparently left-wing, politically correct, multiculturalist judges in the U.K. have no common sense. Nor do the people who enact the laws allowing them to make these arbitrary decisions.
There is one and only way of deterring terrorism. It has worked splendidly in the past, it has worked in Malaysia, India, Kenya, Burma and a host of other countries. You hang the terrorist. You may have to hang a dozen or so, but the message will sink in. Terrorism stops.
seeteufel,
Re: your deterrent "it has worked in Malaysia, India, Kenya, Burma and a host of other countries. You hang the terrorist. You may have to hang a dozen or so, but the message will sink in. Terrorism stops"
I might have to disagree. What you are describing is more like swatting a half dozen mosquitos, but otherwise doing nothing about the swamp outside one's window. Mosquitos may stop for a day or two, but they will be back. They don't appear out of thin air: they pullulate out of the larger pool of Muslims.
Sort of off topic, but the whole Bosnia thing has me fascinated right now.
Listen to this Serbian analysis ... I wonder if our civil wars will start with such declarations.
"The Islamic declaration," Izetbegovic assured us, "can and should take over power as soon as it is morally and numerically strong enough to be able to overturn not only the existing non-Islamic government [of Bosnia] but also to build a new Islamic one." (p. 56). For the Serbs this meant that when Muslims reach 51% percent of the population in Bosnia in short six years, given their birth rate and other means. The Islamic order which would follow this overturn is defined as " a unity of religion and law, upbringing and power, ideal and interest." (p. 26). In this new order citizenship, too, is given an Islamic bend. "In the Muslim world," Izetbegovic admonishes, "there is no patriotism without Islam." (p. 64) In short, in this ideal state, the only way left for the Serbs to be considered full citizens and "patriots" would have been conversion to Islam. That is what their ancestors did in 16th century to please the Sultan and earn the right to own Orthodox Christian serfs and append the suffix "-bey" to their last names. Finally, in Izetbegovic's "Islamic order" separation of doctrine and faith from politics has no place. "There can be neither peace nor co-existance between the Islamic religion and the non-Islamic social and political institutions." (p. 30)
WOW!!!! history will repeat itself it always does. I just hope there isn't a NATO around to attack us when our time comes.
from this site all this stuff was written in 1997, last revised in 2004.
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/bosnia101.html
As we all know by now, appeasement will NEVER work with these radicals! I'm discusted to see that these stupid people insist on apeasing muslim radicals that will NEVER respect our way of life and continue to persue the end of us no matter what.
The only thing to do is to crush and I do mean CRUSH every single radical muslim. These people should be considered outlaw with no human rights and should be killed on the spot without any courts getting involved.
That's just my opinion!
SwedishWiking wrote:
"The only thing to do is to crush and I do mean CRUSH every single radical muslim."
Luckily, the number of "radical muslims" is so small, being just a "tiny minority" among the total population of Muslims, that SwedishWiking cannot be accused of inciting ethnic cleansing nor genocide.
It's no wonder why the UK is already lost. They keep shooting themselves in the foot. They're not treating this whole situation like a war where YOU KEEP YOUR ENEMIES LOCKED UP.
I may write to the guy and suggest he insists on the release of all Rapists and Paedophiles.
That's the simple way of ending all sex crimes in the UK.
Same logic, no?
And to think that once upon a time we Brits were feared and respected in equal measure around the world. Now - mainly due to Nu-Labour, we are becoming the laughing stock of the world.
When a new Hitler rises to power in Europe (and it WILL happen) Tony Blair/Gordon Brown et all can hang their heads in shame for fanning the flame that will burn brightly.
There are only 2 options for the West :
1 - surrended, which is looking like our governments already have.
2 - everybody vote for their National parties. Oh, and stock up on canned food, bottled water and ammunition.
Civil War will soon break out in Eastern Europe. Then Western Europe. Then Britain and Australia. And THEN the US.
I know it - we ALL know it.
But, the sunshine after the rain is always appreciated more tthan constant sunshine.....
This just let's the whole world know the west isn't serious about fighting islamic Terrorism at all. These guys are always the dam victim. It's offical Europeans are all Dhimmis now. I've never seen such cowardless placation.
News-flash they don't CARE.
Europe = Israel under Olmert.
I read crap like this and I think...
Firemen spread gasoline everywhere in attempt to prevent fires.
Makes just as much sense.
We have a new high court in the UK now which replaces the Law Lords. The new Supreme Court will make all the decisions independent of the government. This major change to our constitution could be a disaster or it maybe the start of better and appropriate sentencing of terrorists. As the court's first sitting is today we will have to wait and see how effective it is going to be.
Glenn Beck's new book, "Arguing with Idiots" should sell well in the UK.
seeteufel -
There is only one sure-fire way of stopping Islamic Terrorism.
Which is: No Qur'an.
It's a simple formula:
"World minus Qur'an = World minus Islamic Terrorism."
Anything else is just a stop-gap, temporary measure.
This is the kind of thing that I have come to expect from sick, sick, multicultural, Britain.
I agree. The UK is riddled with the malignant cancers and tumors caused by political correctness and multiculturalism gone mad.
I'm not sure if there's a cure forthcoming. The patient may just wind up self-euthanizing.
Re: Beagle
1. Release dangerous mujahideen.
2. ???
3. UK safe from jihad warriors.
2. Britain transformed into Islamic Republic complete with Shariah. All native Britons killed, driven out or converted to Islam.
Unfortunately there is only one poitical party in the UK that actually has an anti-Islamofacation policy and it is not one of the main 3
For civilisational re-energising.
For the English:
http://www.royalsocietyofstgeorge.com/index2.htm
For the Scots:
http://www.st-andrew.org.uk/
If you want to reaffirm your culture and do some networking and discreet spreading of the bad news about jihad and sharia, why not join these nice old-fashioned patriotic societies en masse and ginger them up a bit?
(Come on, you Welsh: you need the Society of Arthur Redivivus, Rex Quondam Rex Quoque Futurus, or else, The Society of St David; and, across the Irish sea, come on all you fighting Irishmen and Irishwomen, it's time to create a Society of St Patrick and St Bridget, to head off the Islamification of Ireland).
Another suggestion - for the Welsh and the English - bury your quarrels and create a Fellowship of Arthur And Alfred, to resist Islamification on the local level.
For direct action:
http://sioeengland.wordpress.com/
And Granny Weatherwax/ Esmerelda Weatherwax had a look at these guys and gave them the OK:
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/
Finally: here is a very, very useful little list that I found on a virulently antisemitic website
http://www.actionsnotwords.org/node/11
It comprises those British politicians, both in the House of Lords and in the House of Commons (plus a few extras) who have been identified by the antisemites (both Muslim and non-Muslim) as 'stooges for Israel'.
If you are British, read this conveniently-provided list very, very carefully. For sympathy for Israel, expressed in the political realm, however tentatively, can be an indication, in the present climate, that the politician is either aware of the Jihad at some level, or else potentially educable. If you find your elected representative or your local Peer of the Realm on this list of those whom the antisemites and janissaries of jihad are pleased to call 'stooges of Israel', a list which *I* believe might more correctly be called a 'roll of honour', then perhaps you need to get to know him or her a little better.