Unlikely statement of the decade: "I started making my own wine after Hamas took power"

"There is evil in every berry of grape." - The Koran

"We hear of the conversion of water into wine at the marriage in Cana as of a miracle. But this conversion is, through the goodness of God, made every day before our eyes. Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards, and which incorporates itself with the grapes, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy." - Ben Franklin

Hamas -- the Arabic acronym for the Islamic Resistance Movement --

HAMAS in Hebrew:

חָמָס' robbery, theft, evil-doing

חָמַס to rob, to oppress ; (Jewish law) to rob with violence

"Fruity, yet tart, with an explosive bouquet..."

Rather ironic, mais non? that the acronym Hamas is the same as the Hebrew triliteral root H-M-S (hamas) which as we see above has the meaning "to violently rob or oppress." Chet, mem, samech are the letters.

An Hebrew-speaking Israeli CANNOT hear this acronym and not think of the Hebrew word "la-chamos" to rob or oppress violently.

I would say that Hamas is correct that they have a date with destiny and the Jewish People.

I would say that they (the muhammadans of gaza) have put JEHOVAH on notice.

This just proves it. There is no fun in Islam. Apparently there is no wine, either.

Plenty of whining, though.

I thought it would be fun to do some follow up on some old JW stories. This one from Nov. 30, 2003 tells of a British national who was going to school in Egypt who was captured in Iraq by Kurds and suspected of fighting against coalition forces:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2003/11/british-muslim-held-in-north-iraq.html

Those evil jihadists are infiltrating the West! So here is what happened after this story was reported on JW. He was given to the Americans, who shipped him to Abu Ghraib. There he told the Americans that he had a 10 day break from school, so he went to Amman, Jordan, where he was going to transfer on a bus to Saudi Arabia to visit Mecca and Medina. The Saudi embassy was closed, and it turned out he would have to wait 4 days for a passport. Because of this, he took a bus to Baghdad instead. He took another bus to Mosul, and ended up getting arrested. He spent a week in solitary confinement, a few weeks in a regular jail, then went to Abu Ghraib with the Americans. He spent a little over a week there before the Americans realized he was telling the truth, and they shipped him home to England. The article does not say if the Americans stripped him naked and piled him on top of other inmates. So the kids semester was ruined, and he was not sure if he could get back into school:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/dec/24/world.highereducation

ISLAM IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH!

1) Wine Promotes Longevity

The Evidence: Wine drinkers have a 34 percent lower mortality rate than beer or spirits drinkers. Source: a Finnish study of 2,468 men over a 29-year period, published in the Journals of Gerontology, 2007.

2)Wine Reduces Heart-Attack Risk

The Evidence: Moderate drinkers suffering from high blood pressure are 30 percent less likely to have a heart attack than nondrinkers. Source: a 16-year Harvard School of Public Health study of 11,711 men, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, 2007.

3) Wine Lowers Risk of Heart Disease

The Evidence: Red-wine tannins contain procyanidins, which protect against heart disease. Wines from Sardinia and southwest France have more procyanidins than other wines. Source: a study at Queen Mary University in London, published in Nature, 2006.

4) Wine Reduces Risk of Type 2 Diabetes

The Evidence: Moderate drinkers have 30 percent less risk than nondrinkers of developing type 2 diabetes. Source: research on 369,862 individuals studied over an average of 12 years each, at Amsterdam's VU University Medical Center, published in Diabetes Care, 2005.

5) Wine Lowers Risk of Stroke

The Evidence: The possibility of suffering a blood clot–related stroke drops by about 50 percent in people who consume moderate amounts of alcohol. Source: a Columbia University study of 3,176 individuals over an eight-year period, published in Stroke, 2006.

6)Wine Cuts Risk of Cataracts

The Evidence: Moderate drinkers are 32 percent less likely to get cataracts than nondrinkers; those who consume wine are 43 percent less likely to develop cataracts than those drinking mainly beer. Source: a study of 1,379 individuals in Iceland, published in Nature, 2003.

7) Wine Cuts Risk of Colon Cancer

The Evidence: Moderate consumption of wine (especially red) cuts the risk of colon cancer by 45 percent. Source: a Stony Brook University study of 2,291 individuals over a four-year period, published in the American Journal of Gastroenterology, 2005.

8) Wine Slows Brain Decline

The Evidence: Brain function declines at a markedly faster rate in nondrinkers than in moderate drinkers. Source: a Columbia University study of 1,416 people, published in Neuroepidemiology, 2006.

http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/8-health-benefits-of-drinking-wine

Abu should meet some of my friends in eastern Tennessee.

...not only "afraid of being discovered by the Hamas police, who will have no mercy," but also of losing face in a socially conservative society that does not look kindly on imbibers."

This socially conservative, Italo-American Roman Catholic gal is sooooooo tired of the word "conservative" being used by the Western press to describe Sharia law. We Italians have known for 5000 years that God loved us and wanted us to be happy even when we referred to Him by other names. But my culture (based on Greco-Roman cultus meeting Hebrew-Christian cultus) has nothing to do with this so called "conservativism" of the Islamic cult.

FIND ANOTHER WORD MAINSTREAM MEDIA MANIACS! You can be pro-traditional family structure, pro-life, pro-America, pro a strict constructionist view of the US Constitution and still enjoy a nice vintage with your meal --- provided it is ITALIAN wine and ITALIAN food.
:-)

Ecclesiastes 9:7

"Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart; for God has already accepted your works."

Cheers!

Hey, there's plenty of wine in Sex Heaven, Boys:

"WINE"

"Mohammed had to find more selling points besides virgins, young boys and plenty of water. What good would be of Paradise without rivers of wine for his followers? Wine was an extremely precious commodity in the dry deserts of Arabia where it was rare to find vineyards. Mohammed had a problem here- he had to include wine in his 'Paradise-Package' but how could he include it in the list when Allah had declared intoxicants as sinful. The only way to do this was to somehow claim that the wine in the promised Paradise was not intoxicating and therefore not sinful. Never mind the fact that wine by nature contains alcohol which is intoxicating."

Above excerpt from this link:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/heaven.html

Sex Heaven Hoax is in the Koran, as is plenty of WINE!

Koran 47:15
Here is a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised. In it are...rivers of wine...

Koran 37:40-48
But the true servants of God shall be well provided for,...they shall be served with goblet filled at a gushing fountain, white and delicious to those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses nor befuddle them.

Koran 56:7-40
They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine:

Koran 83:23-26
The righteous will surely dwell in bliss. Reclining upon soft couches they will gaze around them: and in their faces you shall mark the glow of joy. They shall be given a pure wine to drink, securely sealed, whose very dregs are musk...

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/heaven.html

Yankel:
"Yeah sure."

The Americans believed it, and let him go. Are you saying the American military is stupid?

Thank god:
“Senior officers claim…
…are believed to have…
A senior military source said…
…revealed fears…
Privately, British officers in Afghanistan estimate…
One officer said: "While my troops have not actually found British passports on enemy dead there has been a suspicion…”
A Whitehall source…
Although an estimated 70 had gone in the past two years, few had returned, the source said…
A secret list of young Britons…”
–Quotes from your newspapers

Blah blah blah. I guess you never heard of propaganda. I know – only evil governments use propaganda.

What about family members of these people that they leave in the UK? Why don’t they ever get interviewed and appear in the news? What happens to them? Wait:

“One was named as Abu Hareth, 22.”

An actual name of one of the jihadists! A Lexis Nexis search shows that this is the only article that ever appeared in the media anywhere in the world where Abu was mentioned. This UK citizen goes to Iraq to fight against American, gets killed, but not a single newspaper in the world wants to talk to any of his family members in the UK about it. Weird.

"There are British passport holders who live in the UK who are being found in places such as Kandahar."
- One of your newspaper quotes

Yes, probably like the guy I gave the update about.

thank god:
"There are British passport holders who live in the UK who are being found in places such as Kandahar."

When these guys are suppsedly found, I am sure they get arrested. When Urslaan Khan got arrested (the guy I gave the update about, who was a real person), he was all over the news in both the UK and the US. Why don't any of the these other people get in the news? When UK citizens are killed in Iraq by Americans, why doesn't it appear more than one time at the end of a story in one UK article, almost as an afterthought, with no follow up with any family members?

Why is it that when a real person gets arrested in Iraq, it gets reported everywhere, and then it turns out to be perfectly innocent, but when all these other people go there and get arrested and fight and get killed, it has to be such a secret? Could it be that they really don't exist?

Dave, you're absolutely right. There would be no practical reason why the British government would not want to disclose the names of the people they are tracking, where their families live, what mosques they are affiliated with (and/or recruited by), which radical Islamic websites they browse, and what people they communicate with. There would be no harm in that. The only reason why the British government doesn't disclose this information is because these people simply don't exist! These are lies against the Islamic ubermenschen. It's right out of the Hanfi manual: "a Zimmee may be suspected of inventing falsehoods against a Muslim, from the hatred he bears to him on account of the superiority of the Muslims over him." It's just that simple.

thank god:
"There would be no practical reason why the British government would not want to disclose the names of the people they are tracking"

Urslaan Khan was arrested. At that point nobody was tracking him. The UK says that "there are British passport holders who live in the UK who are being found in places such as Kandahar." This has nothing to do with tracking people. Why are the other people that are getting arrested not reported about?

When a UK citizen gets killed in Iraq, they are not tracking him any more. He is dead. Why don't they write any stories about these people? This has nothing to do with tracking people, bcause they are dead.

As for the hundreds that were there fighting and the UK government was "tracking them," could you tell me how they do that? Let's say "Muhammed Sahaf" goes from the UK to Iraq to fight, so the military goes around asking people "do you know where Muhammed Sahaf is? We would like to talk to him." Or maybe they track his Visa card, so when he goes to the WalMart in Baghdad to buy a suicide vest they can swarm in on him. And if the media were to talk to his family and write an article on it, it would blow the whole operation, and Muhammed Sahaf would know to throw his Visa card away and start going by the name of Muhammed Lawal to elude the trackers. I am not a military guy. Is this how the tracking would be done?

dave742

Muslims lie. Lots and lots and lots of Muslims lie.

Many ordinary non-Muslim people at this forum, over time, have given first-hand accounts of the brazenness with which Muslims they know have lied, lying of the kind that among westerners is only indulged in by full-blown sociopaths.

Perhaps you'd like to read this report before telling us that we're exaggerating in our 'security' response to the smiling, lying Mohammedans:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/06/i-could-be-joking-and-smiling-and-then-cutting-their-throats-in-the-next-second.html

And here's another nice little snippet:

'I once talked to a Saudi about the importance of telling the truth.
He responded: "Only a fool tells the truth!" Funny that!'

Posted by: Mark Alexander at February 19, 2006 11:23 PM

Only anecdotal evidence of course - but there's such a hell of a lot of it, piling up and piling up. The only Mohammedan I ever knew personally, was a liar such as I have never encountered anywhere else in the whole of my life; a consummate con artist and deceiver. One of my friends, a lawyer, also has a tale to tell of a client he had, a Mohammedan; from bitter experience, my friend learnt not to believe a single word this person said, unless and until it could be proven by independent third-party testimony or hard documentation.

I could produce a good few other first-hand testimonies given by people at this forum, over the years, and also from news reports.

So excuse me if I say I do not necessarily believe your sob story of the poor little innocent Muslim. That the Americans believed him, may simply mean that Americans - yes, even soldiers in Iraq - are terminally naive.

Here's the testimony of another, rather un-naive American who had his naivety burned out of him...in Iraq.

http://antiprotester.blogspot.com/2006/04/life-in-iraq-part-ii-civilization-of.html

thank god:
"If someone they are monitoring leaves the country it's not hard to image that they make note of it"

So does the person's parents report him missing to the police? Wouldn't it make it into the news that way? Wouldn't it become at least a missing person story? Or do the parents normally know that their kids went to fight Americans in Iraq, and they keep quiet?

"There's no reason to believe that this information is shared with the British military."

The MI5 will share the information with the media as an anonymous source, but not with the military?

"the only British Muslim casualties in Iraq,based on the articles I submitted in Iraq were confirmed by a rebel leader, not the British military and the name he gave them was Abu Hareth and one other without a last name. Abu Hareth is not a real name. That's not a name that would be used on a passport."

So the MI5 interviewed the rebel commander, then told the media about it? Why did they bother to give the media a fake name? Why not just say that a UK citizen was killed? Or say John Doe? In TV shows, they always use the name John Doe, not Abu Hareth. Why did they only give a fake first name for the other guy? Couldn't they think of a fake last name as well? Couldn't they do a Google search of common Muslim names?

"I would think the reason they don't release the names of those who have been arrested are obvious"

Why,then, when they arrested Urslaan Khan, was his name plastered all over the media worldwide? This was his real name. Do they only release the real name of someone when they arrest a real person? And when they arrest an imaginary person, they give a fake name?

Reminder to everybody:

'dave742' appears to have succeeded in hijacking the thread.

We should be discussing Hamas' ongoing attempt to enforce sharia upon the Arabs - Muslim and non-Muslim - in Gaza, and the fact that sharia bans alcohol.

The subject that 'dave' has attempted to introduce is completely OFFTOPIC and should be ignored henceforward.

Let's discuss the fact that sharia criminalises alchohol - which immediately puts Islam at odds with the majority of the human race throughout history.

New visitors to this site need to know about that.

"So does the person's parents report him missing to the police? Wouldn't it make it into the news that way? Wouldn't it become at least a missing person story? Or do the parents normally know that their kids went to fight Americans in Iraq, and they keep quiet?"

How should I know if the parents of these guys know if these sons are going off to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan or if they believe their kids are travelling abroad?

"The MI5 will share the information with the media as an anonymous source, but not with the military?"

Why does the British military need to know if British citizens are fighting on the side of the Taliban or the Iraqi rebels? I would think that information would only matter if those people were actually embeeded in the British military.

"So the MI5 interviewed the rebel commander, then told the media about it? Why did they bother to give the media a fake name? Why not just say that a UK citizen was killed? Or say John Doe? In TV shows, they always use the name John Doe, not Abu Hareth. Why did they only give a fake first name for the other guy? Couldn't they think of a fake last name as well? Couldn't they do a Google search of common Muslim names?"

I didn't say M15 interviewed the rebel commander, the British military did and they gave the media the name the commander told them and how he said two of the dead rebels were British citizens.

What does any of this have to do with the reports of British Muslims fighting for the Taliban or Iraqi insurgent groups?

"Let's discuss the fact that sharia criminalises alchohol - which immediately puts Islam at odds with the majority of the human race throughout history." - dumbledoresarmy

This statement in no way comes close to being accurate. Check out this site for a comprehensive listing of counties and towns in the US where alcohol is outlawed/criminalized. The site explains that "(a)bout 18,000,000 people live in the 10% of the area of the US that is dry." In the overwhelming majority of these communities the ban is the direct result of religious ideology. And let us not forget that this illegalization once extended the the nation as a whole. Not that I care, but some Fundamentalists, Mormons, Buddhists, etc. may take exception to the insinuation that are morally at odds with "the human race" or that they are culturally equivalent with Muslims.

"The Shafi'ites follow the example of the Prophet and make drinking alcohol punishable with forty lashes. The other schools follow the example of 'Umar, who increased the punishments to eighty lashes. For non-Muslims, drinking alcohol is no hadd offense. There is some controversy about drinking alcoholic beverages other than wine. Most schools put them on a par with wine and hold that their consumption in whatever quantities is punishable, but the Hanafites hold that if a person drinks these beverages, he will only be punished if he actually gets intoxicated."

Peters, Rudolph, "Crime and Punishment in Islamic Law," (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2005), p. 64