Marisol has already posted about this, but I just got in from speaking in Los Angeles and found out about it, and so here are a few additional remarks. This is an outrage with numerous ominous implications. A terrible day for religious freedom in the U.S., and a capitulation to Sharia and the stealth jihad that will come back to haunt us.
"Religious Runaway To Be Sent To Ohio Foster Home," from WESH.com, October 13 :
ORLANDO, Fla. -- A teenager who said she fled to Orlando from her Ohio home to escape religious persecution will be sent to a foster home in Ohio, a judge ruled on Tuesday.That is only temporary. After 30 days, if I understand correctly, she will be sent home. Will she be killed then? Almost certainly not. The likely possibility is that once the media attention subsides, she will be returned to Sri Lanka, where she will be killed or institutionalized.
Rifqa Bary, 17, made national headlines when she fled from her parents' home because she claimed they planned to kill her for converting to Christianity. Bary posted a video on YouTube calling her parents radical.
A Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigated Rifqa Bary's claims and found no evidence she would be a victim of an honor killing if she were returned home. There was also no evidence of assault or abuse.
What would constitute such evidence? Do they even know what to look for? Why was CAIR present when the FDLE spoke to Rifqa's parents?
A Florida judge on Tuesday said Rifqa will be returned to Ohio once her parents meet two conditions. First, the Barys must [show] they are in the U.S. legally. The judge said he asked the couple for their immigration papers three months ago and has only seen a partial VISA and an incomplete passport. The judge said a contempt of court charge is a possibility if he doesn't get the paperwork.
Second, the Barys must prove that the teenager can continue the virtual high school program she began in Florida while in Ohio.
Bary's parents have filed a criminal complaint against the Central Florida pastors who assisted their daughter.
A very, very sad day for free people.
Pamela Geller is there and will be posting updates over at Atlas Shrugs, which I will link here.
UPDATE: Maybe there is some hope. See Pamela's report here.
I thought that the liberal mantra was "Believe the children..."...? Is there not enough evidence that Muslims have a predisposition to murder their own children for some psychotic notion that the family's 'honor' is at stake?
To hell with the judges that don't see the facts or ignore them.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/13/palestinians-israel-obama-abbas
This is the sadest thing thing that I have read in a long time. To think that that girl who loves life, and God- (the real one)- is going to be sent home to a family that has a sworn religious duty to kill her. Or at the very least allow her to be killed. If Rifqa is returned to Shri-Lanka she is dead. Every one of us here knows this.
I hope that Rifqa has the sence to run away again, and this time not make a big deal about where she is. Hide and dont be found girl friend, wait untill you are 18 and then you can do what you want.
Rifqa, dont go home they cant make you stay, and if you do go back to Ohio, Idaho, or what ever midwest hell hole your parents live in, dont stay. Run! Hide! There are places where you can be safe. Safe to pray in the way that God intended.
God bless you Rifqa, my whole church is praying for you.
Be safe.
Dear Robert,
I can't believe it, but when we met in Berlin you told me that it would happen. Are all these people brainwashed, or is this just a nightmare? I really thought Rifqa was safe, as long as you and Pamela keep reporting about her case. It's really hard to fathom that in a free country like the U.S. judges capitulate to such a barbaric law as sharia. Now you can only resort to illegal means. G*d bless Rifqa and help in her ordeal. If and and when I think of that girl's fear, it makes me shiver.
This would be a good time for Rifqa to do a disappearing act...She could do it with a little help from her friends...
Her 'foster family' is complicit in keeping her ready for 'shipment to her 'Muslim abbatoir family' in Ohio'. They will lose their foster family $$$$$ if they don't.
It is very sad. When the worst comes to past, no one will be held accountable for their actions.
I can't help but think that this case has been surrounded with so much publicity that the parents wouldn't dare harm her with the glare of the media spotlight on them.
"God- (the real one)"
How'zat?
I say less than one year left for this one...
Another good one Jesus,
“Palestinian political leaders have expressed acute disappointment … "All hopes placed in the new US administration and President Obama have evaporated,..”
Duh, (1) he’s a politician, and (2) you and a growing number of other disappointed post Obama–is-the-messiah-of-peace-and-change hopefuls who now know el-Presidente talks the talk, but can’t walk the walk.
And of course, no Palestinian statement would be complete without “Barack Obama "couldn't withstand the pressure of the Zionist lobby,…”
The Jooooos made him do it.
And then the perpetual demand, which if met, would never mean peace from a thugocracy who’s very existence is to destroy Israel, that the pre-’67 borders established regarding Gaza, East Jerusalem and the West Bank, “"The Israelis need to acknowledge that the 1967 borders are the borders between the two states, and this is the foundation of any negotiations," said Yasser Abed Rabbo, a senior aide to Abbas.”
But don’t they realize that Jordan unilaterally annexed the West Bank in 1950, which means the Pals don’t get it; Gaza belonged to Egypt prior to the 6 Day War, so again, the Pals don’t have a claim to that either; and East Jeruslem…hmm…I don’t think the Fatah-ist will tolerate all those expelled Hamas Gazans in that little patch of land, even if Israel would capitulate such territory.
Seems the Palestinian (nightmare of their own making) dream will continue its’ somnambulistic march into fractured oblivion, as they continue to parch their own land and opportunities through hate and intolerance.
But not to worry Abbas, at least Obama has come down on your side concerning the fake UN Human Rights declaration making criticism of religion illegal. And on this last sad statement, sad and not funny because it is true, it seems the judiciary seems to be following Obama’s lead in their judgment concerning Rifqa, because surely these allegations of death before dishonour in the name of the ROP is just more misplaced racist misunderstanding, ‘cause we all know how much goodwill islam spreads through out the world…(need…a…bigger…shovel/front end loader).
Perhaps she can escape, and find help to survive until she is 18...
If Rifqa Bary is killed, I hope the judge who made this decision is held accountable as an accessory to first degree murder.
epistemology, you wrote: "I really thought Rifqa was safe, as long as you and Pamela keep reporting about her case."
I've got no beef with Robert but Pamela banned me, a fellow Jew, from her web site. If this is the way we fight the enemy, were done. As much as I disagree with Michael Savage, a fellow Jew, I stand with him - I support his right to speak freely about Islam. I deplore conservatives who ignore what England has done to Savage for whatever personal reasons. We are all in this together.
As long as ignorance about Islam is the norm in America and all the West, such sad tales as this one will continue aplenty. Knowledge is power and the absense of knowledge is impotency.
Dear Wildjew, as a fellow Jew I couldn't agree more, unity is strength! We've got to overcome all these petty differences, whatever the reasons are. There's a lot more at stake than personal interests, nobody should rock the boat.
epistemology, I think I know what it was. I took her to task for her flattering portrayal of former president Bush. I voted for Bush in 2000. President Bush committed two unpardonable sins. He made the establishment of a Muslim-terror state in Israel a formal goal of US policy and he lied about the enemy; two unpardonable sins, despite all the good things he did in his war against "terrorism." Bush's war had nothing to do with Islam mind you. Bush was clear about the peaceful nature of Islam, to his eternal discredit.
For Rifqa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhR36gV6vW4
May God hold you in His hand.
"...sent back to Sri Lanka where she will be killed or institutionalized..."
It's not just killing Rifqa that's the problem. Any kind of punishment -- whether whipping, being put in an asylum, or being ostracized should raise our righteous ire sufficiently, even if it falls short of killing. All punishments for a person exercising their freedom of religion are unacceptable and outrageous.
Hey, if there was a way to make it happen without violating the law and our semi-hidden identities that we have at JW, I’d take her to live with my Mom until she reached 18, so she could carry on with her life after that. This is what Christians do. And if the law can be avoided, well…some of you have my number.
Why are the forces of EVIL winning?
Sadly, she will be a Martyr. Proof
positive that a lot of judges are not
aware of the dangers of islam and it's
evil way against those who try to flee.
There will surely be more Rifqa Bary's. Christians need to develop an underground in Canada and the USA so converts to Christianity from Islam can be relocated or hidden.
Let the Underground Railway begin.
And it might become necessary to break the letter of the law, in order for the principles enunciated in the US Declaration of Independence - the inalienable right to 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' - to be preserved.
If those principles mean *anything*, Rifqa must at all costs be kept out of the clutches of the Muslim Mob. If she is given back to the Mob her life, her freedom and her happiness (which she has decided will be best found by becoming Christian rather than by remaining Muslim) are all threatened.
This young lady needs to be emancipated. Once that happens she is more than welcome to live with me and my family.
Isabella - I just came back from midweek communion at our parish church. The 'Sentence' (passage of Scripture) for this week is Mark 10: 29-30 -
"And Jesus answered and said, 'Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left houe, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come, eternal life".
As this was read, at the end of the communion service, I could not help thinking of Rifqa.
Here is, first of all, just for her, two versions of the great and ancient Irish hymn known as the Deer's Cry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJx_Lu4PymE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMOVe3T7OoM&feature=related
And another absolutely lovely Irish hymn of devotion to God - it's a true love-song -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW1ILAVHtis&feature=related
it's sung in Gaelic, but here's the text and then an English translation:
"Curfá:
Ailelú, ailelú
Ailelú mo Shlánaitheoir
'S Tú mo Dhia, 's mé do ghiolla
Ailelú mo chroí go deo
Mo ghrá-sa, mo Dhia, mo ghárda, mo liaigh
Mo ghrá geal, mo Thiarna
Mo ghrá, mo Chríost, mo ghrá, mo chroí
Mo ghrá ar fad thú a Rí na glóire
(Curfá)
Mo ghrá-sa go h-úird, naomhtha id chúirt
Mo ghrá-sa do chroí is do cló geal
Mo ghrá-sa do thread, is fada do shead
Mo ghrá, mo shoilse, mo neart, mo Rí
(Curfá)
'S Tú mo Dhia, 's mé do ghiolla
Ailelú mo chroí go deo
English Translation:
Halleluia, halleluia
Halleluia, my Savior
You are my God, I am your servant
Halleluia my heart forever
My love, my God, my guardian, my rock
My fair love, my Lord
My love, my christ, my love, my heart
My love in full, You, my glorious King
(Chorus)
My love __, holy in your court
My love, your heart and your fair appearance
My love, your flock, long is your path
My love, my light, my strength, my king
(Chorus)
You are my God, I am your servant
Halleluia my heart forever".
I hope, if by some chance, while still at her foster family, she lucks onto this page, it may give her comfort and strength.
Wild Jew - Pam never, and I mean never, bans people for their opinions - even if they aren't in keeping with her views. The only time Pam would ban someone, if at all - is if they keep make threatening or crude statements, and won't stop doing it. Pam's forum allows for everyone to have their views and always has. Utter nonsense on your part. If you were banned from Atlas - for sure it wasn't because of comments regarding Bush. What's the real reason?
Correction to my previous post - keep making - not keep make
Dumbledore,
Absolutely gorgeous.
I cannot believe that God who says if we stick up for Him in front of men and He will stick up for us, would let go of Rifqa at this time. I believe Him when He says in Mark 11:24,
"Amen I say to you, all things whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you shall receive, and it shall be done to you."
I have been praying like crazy for this little girl ever since I first heard about. I believe she will be saved and that God has plans that we can't even imagine for Rifqa, whether she goes back to Ohio or not. God is not dead just because her parent's and their attorney are possessed with the spirit of Islam.
Lord I believe. Please help my unbelief.
I am so sick at heart over this ruling. I am so glad Pamela and Robert have been such steadfast supporters of Rifqa Bary.
Sadly, not everyone feels the same way. During an internet search, I ran across this, on a site called "News Junkie", by one Shawn Wesson:
"Anti-Muslim Hysteria In The Rifqa Bary Case"
He seems to be following the case quite closely, and mentions both Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, both in a very unflattering light.
One might assume from the above that he is simply ignorant, but it is worse than that. He does cite the Hadith, Sahih al-Bukhari 9:84:57, "kill whoever challenges his religion".
But he notes that it's OK in Rifqa's case, because this only applies to men. Women and girls are "only" subject to life imprisonment--which is apparently fine with Mr. Wesson, although he does refer to it as "one floor short of execution in the crazy building". Not exactly a serious condemnation.
He even mentions honor killings in Georgia and Texas, and then rather inexplicably dismisses their significance.
For the rest, he indulges in a lot of moral equivalence between Deuteronomy in the Bible and Muslim texts--never mind that no Christian group has taken the strictures of these passages literally for millenia, while all orthodox Muslim sects consider punishments for apostasy still completely valid.
In the end, Wesson basically hopes that the Barys don't take their religion very seriously--and is willing to stake Rifqa's life on it.
He concludes:
"Rifqa Bary should be pried from the grips of Charlie Crist, the Global Revolution Church and the state of Florida and sent back to Ohio. Authorities in Ohio can investigate any claims the teenager would like to make and, if the coast is clear, she can live out the rest of her juvenile life in the care of her parents."
Assuming her family lets her, of course.
http://thenewsjunkie.com/2009/08/anti-muslim-hysteria-in-the-rifqa-bary-case/
http://www.peoples-law.org/children/emancipation/emancipation%20home.htm#What%20does
""Emancipation of a minor” generally refers to the process of freeing a minor (person under age 18) from parental control. It means that the parent is no longer legally responsible for the acts of the child. It can allow the child to set up his/her own living arrangement. The term may also refer to freeing the earnings/income of a child from the control of a parent."
why hasn't this been done...only months before she is actually emancipated at 18
Jane you wrote: "If you were banned from Atlas - for sure it wasn't because of comments regarding Bush. What's the real reason?"
You're right. It was not because of comments regarding Bush per se. It was because I challenged her promotion of Bush, given what he did to Israel and the lies he said about Israel and the Palestinians. I think it is shameful for a Jewish activist like Pam to promote George W. Bush given what he did to Israel; given how he lied about Islam and I told her. After I posted this sort of challenge, I notice within minutes my post was removed from her site.
I don't know about you Jane. I largely fault Bush for the rise of Barack Hussein Obama, our first Muslim-born president because Bush repeatedly lied about the enemy. Pam apparently is sensitive to criticism. When I sign in on Type Key and try to post on her forum I get a message saying the comments are "closed." In other words she will not accept my posts.
If someone could just get her to a Canadian border crossing, she could claim refugee status and be admitted to Canada while her claim is considered. Even if she is ultimately denied, which isn't likely, the claim and subsequent appeals can stretch out for up to five years, by which time Rifqa would be an adult anyway.
It's about time my country started to take in legitimate refugees rather than all the lying disciples of the great paedophile who misuse our compassionate laws to slither into Canada to promote the world caliphate.
I pray for her safety and well being.
"If Rifqa Bary is killed, I hope the judge who made this decision is held accountable as an accessory to first degree murder."
Absolutely, Kepha.
But even if, and I hope and pray it happens, Rifqa Bary survives and prospers I hope the judge behind this decision is held acountable as an accessory to conspiracy to murder.
Wildjew - Honestly - many people have criticized Bush on Pam's site - and yet they are still commenting - she hasn't blocked their remarks. Many people have also questioned why she promotes Bush, and they are still commenting too. Pam has never taken the attitude one finds at LGF - where one is banned because they've offered a different opinion.
Is it possible you are having technical problems with Pam's Type Pad? I went through a period - a couple of weeks - where I just couldn't get anything to post on her site. Then for some reason, I was able to do so again. It wasn't because I had said anything controversial, and was banned. But, for some reason my computer would not work with Pam's type pad. Sometimes these programs are tricky, and don't function well. I can't post on any site that uses Google accounts. I managed to do one post through google and since then, no matter what I do - I just can't get posts to work. Perhaps your difficulties at Atlas are just a technical problem, and have nothing to do with you being banned.
As I'm not American - my opinions regarding Bush and Obama aren't really relevant to your situation in the states. But I'll be honest, I no longer see much difference between the agendas of either party - particularly when it comes to Israel. Both sides have betrayed the country. But, let's also be honest - it doesn't help when our fellow Jews side with the Palestinians either.
I do hope that the Republican Party gets some new blood, and gets back into the WH in 2012. However, I do have serious concerns that that election will be rigged so it doesn't happen.
After 911, when Bush went into the Mosque, and said Islam is a Religion of Peace - that was the day I stopped respecting him. Then I found out that 2 planes of Saudis - including members of Bin Laden's family - were allowed to leave the country after 911, even though all other planes had been grounded. None of the people on board had been interviewed by the FBI. I also discovered that on 911, Senior Bush was in meetings with the Saudis & if I remember correctly some members of Laden's family were at that meeting. Since then, I can't stomach the family.
I'm not making excuses - but, Bush isn't the only politician who betrayed America, and Israel. The majority of Western politicians have done that to their own citizens, and Israel. These are troubling times wherever one looks. We need to start making all Western politicians accountable for their actions. They've had free rides far too long. It's time for them to start properly representing the people who have elected them.
Given all the adverse publicity she has brought on her family, I cannot believe that she will be allowed to live quietly at home now, without extreme harassment not only from her family, but by all the Muslim friends of the family and members of the local masjid.
It probably won't be enough for Rifqa simply to disappear until she's eighteen years old. Although she would no longer be a minor subject to the whims of ignorant judges, it would do nothing to remove the danger posed by her family and the Muslim community, as there is neither an age limitation nor a statute of limitations for apostasy. She should run, now, immediately, while she has the chance, before being forced to go back to Ohio. I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to help her. She may also need to cut herself off from everyone even remotely associated with her family, change her name, drop out of sight, and start a new life.
How will Rifqa be able to run - when it is likely that she will be guarded by someone 24/7? If she is able to get away and that's debatable - I'm sure someone would pay for plastic surgery so that she could start a new life with a new name too. I am sickened by the Court's decision. I never thought I would witness an American Court cave to Islam.
Dear Wildjew, you're so right, Bush paved the way for Obama and now the U.S. is in a jam. I can only hope the next POTUS will be a freedom fighter against Islamic barbarism.
This whole thing is probably going to turn out to be a waste of time. The Bary's obtained a visa to get medical treatment for Rifqa. It would appear that treatment had been completed and the family was obligated to leave the country and chose not to. If indeed that is the case, the whole family will be deported, including Rifqa who was born in Sri Lanka.
Jane you wrote: "After 911, when Bush went into the Mosque, and said Islam is a Religion of Peace - that was the day I stopped respecting him. Then I found out that 2 planes of Saudis - including members of Bin Laden's family - were allowed to leave the country after 911, even though all other planes had been grounded. None of the people on board had been interviewed by the FBI. I also discovered that on 911, Senior Bush was in meetings with the Saudis..."
Exactly. You've got it. Why didn't my fellow conservatives see and deplore this? I am a thirty eight year registered (conservative) Republican who voted for Bush in 2000, hoping he would not be like his father. But he was worse. I did not realize the extent to which this man and his father were / are in bed financially with our enemies, the Saudi Royal family. I did not know about the Carlyle Group and other sordid stuff. That's why Bush promised then Crown Prince (now king) Abdullah (late Aug. 2001 in two page letter) he would seek to establish a Muslim-terror state in Israel.
That is why Bush helped members of the bin Laden and Saudi Royal families fly out of the US at a time when all flights were banned by the FAA; while his citizens lay in the smoldering ruins of the Trade Center towers. It was simply inconvenient for Bush to announce his "vision" for a new Muslim state (for Israel's dismemberment) right away considering 15 of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi nationals and bin Laden is Saudi and Saudi charities funded Al Qaeda - so Bush waited a few weeks before he made his momentous announcement; before he sold out an ally the way Chamberlain sold out Czechoslovakia at Munich, 1938.
It's not just Pam who caught my wrath for standing by this traitor. I know David Horowitz also got tired of hearing from me. So did my conservative radio talk show hosts who loved and still love Bush. There is no excuse for conservatives, especially Jewish conservatives, to support or promote this traitor after he showed his true colors right after 9/11. That is why this country is in the terrible shape it is in. As it's been said, "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do (and I might add, "SAY") nothing. Conservatives stood by a traitor in our own camp and we got President Hussein, our worst nightmare. God surely judged us.
How can we help young women like Rifqa when we support evil leaders? How can we fight the jihad when we are in denial about its friends like Bush? How can the conservative movement get its act together when it is in denial?
Reagan's speechwriter, Peggy Noonan had it right when she wrote: "George W. Bush destroyed the Republican Party, by which I mean he sundered it, broke its constituent pieces apart and set them against each other....And this needs saying, because if you don't know what broke the elephant you can't put it together again. The party cannot re-find itself if it can't trace back the moment at which it became lost. It cannot heal an illness whose origin is kept obscure."
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120120952618514493.html
Watch this YouTube clip. ABC News interviews Rifqa's parents:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZWCV2k0utE&feature=dir
wildjew is getting a tad carried away. It is one thing to note that Bush showed no signs of being a leader in the sense of leading the country away from PC MC through carefully calculated statements that need not have bluntly said "Islam is evil" but which would have telegraphed at least between the lines our new wariness of it and its connections with terrorism, and that instead of doing that he made matters worse for the War of Ideas by bending over backwards to formulate asinine statements about Islam and about Muslims time and time again. And it is one thing to note that Bush was himself obviously beholden to the PC MC paradigm thus leading him to actually implement things which symbolically and pragmatically undercut our self-defense against the perennially, and recently revived, offensive Jihad -- from the Ramadan hostings at the White House and the Pentagon (in whose vaulted corridors an Islamic cleric named "Al Saif", i.e., "The Sword" was invited to give a sermon which unbenownst to the gravely stupid generals in attendance was bristling with hints at Islamic militancy against us); to spending billions and the lives of our soldiers and civilian contractors in order to help Iraq and Afghanistan become more solidified Sharia states who will not only not appreciate what we have done for them but will continue to breed hatred against us.
It is quote another, however, to say that Bush was evil, which is the only conclusion one can draw from wildjew's condemnation of Bush. That kind of condemnation is glib, and rushes into the vacuum left when a person doesn't see the forest for the trees: the forest being that American society -- indeed, Western society as a whole -- has undergone a profound paradigm shift, a sea change in consciousness, over the past 60-odd years making PC MC dominant and mainstream. This paradigm shift has affected how nearly everyone throughout the West -- liberals and conservatives alike, rich and poor alike, high and low, "Elites" and ordinary people -- think about Islam and Muslims whenever those subjects come up. For a person unremarkably infected by PC MC -- as Bush was at the turn of the century -- it would be natural to assume that visiting Saudi elites were wholly innocent of the terrorist attack, because according to the PC MC paradigm, Muslims are mostly good people and Islam is harmless, and such terrorists are rogue elements twisting the teachings of Islam for their own ideology of guerilla resistance (indeed more often than not trying to kill and topple the Saudi royalty). If a terrorist cell of French anarchists had attacked the US and forced us to ground all planes, and at the time a coterie of French diplomats and the French Prime Minister were visiting Washington, it would be understandable to fly them back to Paris.
What Bush, and McCain, and 98% of Republican leaders in Congress can all be faulted for is not that they knowingly collude with our Muslim enemy -- but rather that they continue to fail to be true leaders, which means going against the prevailing grain, if that grain is leading us down a path that imperils us. And why they continue to fail in this regard is complex, psychological and sociological, and most of them don't even know why they are doing it. Most of them sincerely believe Islam and Muslims are not the problem, just as most Westerners continue to believe this. Our JW view is growing, be we are still a small minority. In free democracies (small "d" so please spare me that spasm of "America is a Republic, not a Democracy!") -- such as represent the entire West from Australia to Canada, from the USA to the UK and Europe -- leaders are not tyrants who rule in despite of the people's will, nor do they form secret cabals who behind closed doors malevolently and Macchiavellianly machinate their designs that go against the people; leaders for the most part reflect, represent and carry out the will of the people, which will in turn participates in the broader conscious of the society, in the givens that form its worldview, its paradigm of sociopolitical meaning. In this normative sociopolitical atmosphere of the West, these "Elites" of ours are not going against the popular grain: They are going with the prevailing flow. And that flow, tragically, continues to be blithely incognizant of the threat of Islam at best, or positively whitewashing it at worst.
The millions who championed and voted for Obama show that PC MC continues to thrive in America. Then, recently we have had a spectacle of a signficant proportion of those millions who did not vote for Obama in a show of admirable public activism demonstrating their unhappiness. And yet, what did we see from these representatives of those anti-Obama millions, when approximately one million of them marched on Washington recently, and when innumerable numbers of them formed "tea parties" around the nation? Did any of them publically and formally say one word about the problem of Islam? Nope. Not a word about Islam. It was all about completely unrelated issues. These are not "elites": these are ordinary Republicans, conservatives and centrists from around the country, who took time and money out of their lives to make a statement -- and that statement was devoid of any concern about the dangers of Islam. That tells you something. That should tell you that there is a vast and massive complacency about the problem of Islam, and that complacency is firmly ensconced within the dominant and mainstream worldview of PC MC. And that is the reason why the unimaginative and pusillanimous Bush said and did what he did -- not because he is a greedy oil magnate consciously willing to collude with our Islamic enemies against his own country.
Run, girl, RUN!
**
Also, shame on the court... I can't believe they're doing this...
@Hesperado
I don't wish to be facetious nor didactic, but your posts remind me of Woody Allen.
You huff and you puff and you puff and you huff, but in the end, YOUR opinions, though wrapped in big words, and served up in long Hugh-Fitzgerald-inspired sentences, grad-school terminology, and endlessly winding, pontificating paragraphs couched in fancy phraseology...are still opinions.
Porksword:
Your heart is in the right place but whatever place you are at, you are fuzzy on your USA geography. Idaho is a very beautiful state in the Rockies just west of Montana and Wyoming. It is considered a ROCKY MOUNTAIN state not a Midwestern state.
Ohio is definitely part of our Midwest; Mother of Presidents. No hell hole though except for maybe parts of Cleveland.
Even sitting here in Chicago, Illinois, adopted home of Obama and, thank God, NOT to be home of the 2016 Olympics, I do not consider myself part of a " Midwestern hell hole".
But that aside, even in the Midwest you will find good people as appalled as you are by this decision and willing to help this girl. If only the good, true God gives her yet another window of opportunity to flee for her life.
Poncius Pilatus Judge Dawson found a way to wash his hand from this case.
I was sure that he was going to find Ohio the legal jurisdiction for this case .It was his way to say.... it is not my problem
It's all due to Westerners in general being history ignoramuses when it comes to the rise and spread of this horrible mental AIDS that never gives up trying to conquer more territory and never gets over its urge to kill.
Anybody who hasn't visited my Quick History for Islam Ignoramuses site yet, you don't know what you're missing.
http://go.to/islamhistory
Heperado, I am astonished at your comparison between a Sharia-compliant state like Saudi Arabia with a largely Christian or secular / Christian state like France. Saudi Arabia is one of the (if not THE) world's largest exporter of the 'doctrine' of jihad terrorism. How can you compare this to France? Bush redacted some 28 pages of the Congressional 9/11 report that "might" have implicated the Saudis in the atrocities. One Senator reported that the pages Bush redacted did indeed implicate the Saudis in the atrocities.
Princess Haifa -- wife of Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the US, Prince Bandar (affectionately called "Bandar Bush") -- reportedly gave charitable contributions through a Saudi conduit to two of the September hijackers. The Bush White House failed to call for an investigation. After Newsweek reported Haifa's donations ended up in the hands of the two 9/11 hijackers, First Lady Laura Bush called Princess Haifa to express her sympathies. Bush Sr. and Barbara also called Haifa. "I felt horribly about the attacks on her," Bush told the New Yorker.
You wrote: "What Bush, and McCain, and 98% of Republican leaders in Congress can all be faulted for is not that they knowingly collude with our Muslim enemy -- but rather that they continue to fail to be true leaders...."
Like Neville Chamberlain (via Adolf Hitler), George W. Bush made a pact with the devil. He did this just before and soon after the 9/11 Muslim-terror atrocities in New York and Washington. Bush sold out (betrayed) an ally (Israel) to the jihadist killers, just as Chamberlain sold out tiny Czechoslovakia at Munich, 1938. Appeasement is much, much worse than "failure to be a true leader." Appeasement of the enemy, especially in time of war, is traitorous and morally reprehensible.
Are you defending moral cowardice and betrayal? I hope not. Steve
Angela, I watched this interview with her parents a few weeks back. You cannot tell anything from these loving assurances. If these parents are devout Muslims as Rifqa, her attorney and defenders maintain, she will be in grave danger, assurances from her parents notwithstanding.
Such a tragic story. I am, along with a lot of other emotions, very ashamed of Ohio, my native state.
From the beginning, I had a sick feeling about how this was going to turn out. My premonitions were only reinforced by the gross incompetence exhibited by the FDLE in the results of their so called investigation and, at the last hearing, by the outrageous performance of the representative of the Florida Dept. of Children and Families in the ferocity and insanity of their arguments against the safety and well being of Rifqa Bary. It's as if our law inforcement and our legal system are competing with each other and with our government to see who can be the most unjust, incompetent, unrealistic, insane, and unbelievably evil.
Yankel,
You're right, most of my post was opinion. However, there were a couple of arguments embedded in it:
1) premise: knowing collusion with Muslims is evil
2) premise: wildjew's interpretation of Bush is tantamount to accusing him of collusion with Muslims.
3) Conclusion: wildjew is thinks Bush is evil.
Another argument embedded in my past was that the type of thinking exemplified by wildjew through #1-3 above operates on the basis of
a) underestimating the nature and extent of PC MC;
b) an alienation from Western authority (if not from the West itself, salvageable only by violent revolution perhaps);
and therefore
c) conspiracy thinking.
wildjew,
"I am astonished at your comparison between a Sharia-compliant state like Saudi Arabia with a largely Christian or secular / Christian state like France. Saudi Arabia is one of the (if not THE) world's largest exporter of the 'doctrine' of jihad terrorism. How can you compare this to France? "
It was an analogy, meant to illustrate that when a person (formed by PC MC) does not view Islam or that vast majority of Muslims to be a problem, then they will not view Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia to be much of a problem, outside a few wrinkles and tensions which the US often has even amongst its "staunch allies". The analogy with French was a way to show what it's like to think that a Muslim country isn't necessarily a problem or a threat -- like France. (I would hope that I need not have typed anything else after the words "It was an analogy..." -- indeed, that should have already been clear from the context; but one never knows on the Internet what caliber of elemetary education one is dealing with.)
"Like Neville Chamberlain (via Adolf Hitler), George W. Bush made a pact with the devil."
Neville Chamberlain was stupid, not evil. The things you are imputing to Bush go beyond stupidity.
Hesperado, you wrote, "Neville Chamberlain was stupid, not evil. The things you are imputing to Bush go beyond stupidity."
I submit to you Neville Chamberlain was not stupid. Not in the least. Neither is George W. Bush. These were / are very bright men. I just finished one of Churchill's excellent biographers; William Manchester: "The Last Lion, Winston Spencer Churchill, ALONE 1932-1940." Excellent. I highly recommend it. Manchester held that the "appeasers" (men like Neville Chamberlain, Stanley Baldwin, Lord Halifax and the rest) were "fundamentalists."
"Appeasers, like all fundamentalists, hold facts in contempt." Chamberlain's appeasement of Adolf Hitler at Munich and elsewhere, cost untold millions of lives. This goes beyond folly especially in the fact the appeasers were repeatedly warned by "war-mongers" and "scare-mongers" thoughout the nineteen thirties; by men like Churchill. (Spencer and other high-profile activists are warning American appeasers today.) Hitler could have been stopped by England and France with little military effort early on.
Like Chamberlain and Obama, Bush (a self-professed Christian conservative) also held facts in contempt. How else can one explain this fundamentalist's idols like, Islam is a religion of peace, the "terrorists" are traitors to their faith; the terrorist practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that "perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam; the terrorists blaspheme the name of Allah," and so on?
How can one explain Bush's betrayal of an American ally - days after 9/11 - fighting the same jihadist killers America is fighting?
You wrote, wildjew thinks Bush is evil. I will leave it to God to judge a man's heart. What Bush did and what Obama is doing to our only reliable ally in the Middle East was and is evil. America will one day pay a painful price for appeasement. History teaches, appeasement never pays. It matters little who is doing the appeasing. As a political conservative, naturally I hold conservatives to a much higher standard. Chamberlain, like Bush, was also a conservative. Like Bush, he was also an appeaser.
Atlas just posted her family is in the States illegally. The whole lot of ‘em could be deported (I assume). Hopefully, the courts will now take this new information into account and understand that apostate penalties in Dar al-Islam are more likely to be carried out than in the liberal la-la-land of Dar al-Harb practiced islam.
Here is an excerpt from a slightly old, but still very relevant story (see link below).
"[...]The most high-profile British apostate is Ibn Warraq, a Pakistani-born intellectual and former teacher from London, who lost his faith after the Salman Rushdie affair and set out his reasons in the book Why I am not a Muslim.
"He recently edited the book Leaving Islam, but finds it hard to explain the hostility. “It’s very strange. Even the most liberal Muslim can become incredibly fierce if you criticise Islam, or, horror of horrors, leave it.”
"He himself has taken the precaution of using only a pseudonym, and lives incognito in mainland Europe. He thinks that Islamic apostasy is common. “In Western societies, it is probably 10-15 per cent. It’s very difficult to tell, because people don’t admit it.”[...]"
[emphasis added]
Source:
The Times, February 5, 2005
Muslim apostates cast out and at risk from faith and family
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article510589.ece
wildjew,
When I said that Neville Chamberlain was stupid, I was using shorthand. In fact, there have been many PC MCs over the decades who are intelligent, and yet stupid about Islam. How to explain this? Unless there is proof that they are actually evil (i.e., consciously aiding and abetting the enemy), the only conclusion to draw is that there is a strange phenomenon that has become prevalent, what I call intelligent stupidity or quantum ignorance. This is stupidity or ignorance on a complex scale, whereby it's not merely a matter of the person being smart enough to know the facts -- it's a matter of the person having adopted a worldview, a paradigm, that filters all incoming data about Islam and re-routes it into interpretations that tend to leave Islam untouched, and relocating all the bad aspects of the data in other factors which take on the function of explaining their presence.
There is much more to say about this massive, dominant, mainstream, ordinary paradigm whereby hundreds of thousands of very intelligent people can't see the Camel in the Room. That's why I simplified and simply said Neville (and Bush) was stupid.
However, that said, Neville brings up an interesting subtopic: the late 30s would seem to be safely before the era of the domination of PC MC. Was Neville a pioneer of the PC MC political leader? Perhaps. Or perhaps we must push back at least the roots of PC MC into decades before the 1960s when it began to become mainstream and pervasive throughout all levels, all professions, all political parties. (There were exceptions -- the Reagan Era, for example: however, Reagan was never tested about the Islam issue sufficiently for us to know how he would have reacted to 911 and subsequent events, and whether he would have grasped the momentum of the learning curve about the problem of Islam with as much wily and wise alacrity as we proud, we few Jihad Watchers have. I would not have been surprised if Reagan would have himself also shown signs of PC MC. I am no longer ever surprised when otherwise wise men turn around and suddenly show signs of abject stupidity with regard to Islam.)
Wildjew - I don't have time to respond other than to say that I completely agree with your assessment regarding Bush. While I do understand what Hesperado is trying to say about the politically correct mindset that is prevalent throughout the West - I don't believe that is what caused the problems with George Bush and Islam. The family has a long history of unsavory relationships - simply put they sold out the U.S. The Grandfather did business with the Nazis. I repeat what I said earlier - for me there is absolutely no difference between the Republicans and Democrats. Within both parties - whores, and traitors can be found. The same scenario exists in political parties throughout the West. The West needs to get out the bleach, and the scrub brushes, and thoroughly clean our political houses of the pestilence found within. Take care.
If this poor child can escape, she needs to do it---pronto. I would gladly do anything humanly possible to protect her from the CAIR jackals, the radical muslim community in Ohio, and her devout muslim parents. I'm not too worried about her parents killing her immediately, although that is not inconceivable. If they are under enough pressure from the rabid "community", they might find prison more welcoming than being ostracized because of their daughter's apostasy. I am concerned about members of the family mosque taking matters into their own hands the first chance they get, or that she would be sent back to Sri Lanka and immediately executed.
There is always the possibility that her brother would kill her; muslim families often recruit the youngest male family member to do the "cleansing" deed, and wasn't he responsible for Rifqa's eye injury? They painted a poignant picture of their parental love and devotion for their daughter, telling journalists that they came to America to seek medical treatment for her eye injury. I guess they felt right at home, with a nice Muslim Brotherhood mosque to attend and a lucrative business to run, then claimed to be too poor to afford a lawyer. They are typical lying muslims, out to exploit America for all they can steal, cheat, and con. I'm sure their brothers at the neighborhood mosque and the jackals at CAIR tutored them well on how to beat the system. Anyone who falls for their humble, wounded demeanor is a damn fool; they are ARROGANT MUSLIMS.
wildjew and jane:
I couldn't agree more with your assessment of of GWB; he is a complete and utter disgrace to the party of Lincoln, and has set back the conservative agenda for the coming decade. I can still remember my emotions when, before the dust had settled around the twin towers, he was in our faces admonishing us to "not lash out against the great religion of islam." If a Republican president can't tell it like it is, how could we possibly expect it of an enabling and appeasing manchurian candidate like Barack Hussein?
I do disagree with your assessment of George Sr. - apart from his ill-considered invasion of Panamá, I thought he was a decent, knowledgable and resolute president, who projected a very positive image of the US to the world. Busch Jr., on the other hand, who was at the end of the day nothing but a pull-toy for his treacherous and conniving VP, has seriously eroded confidence in the country both within and without its borders.
What a shame that Presidents Eisenhower and Reagan weren't cloned!
A pox on all of you who have hijacked this thread into endless personal ravings about Bush/Busch and other trivia. I do not give a toot about how informed you think you are. Just SHUT UP !!
Please, everyone remember this is about the dangerous and sorry state into which our US court system has placed a defenseless new Christian girl. God bless her and her courage.
The Hadith are writings that are authoritative (second only to the Qur'an) for determining Islamic law and practice. Consider this passage from the most respected collection of Hadith, "al'Bukhari":
Volume 9, Book 84 ("Dealing with Apostates"), Number 64
"...I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'" (Source: University of Southern California, "Translation of Sahih Bukhari", http://www.usc.edu).
Rifqa should be allowed to make her own decision about where she lives. I don't say this lightly, because I hold the strongest of beliefs about parental rights and authority. However, if you claim to be a Muslim, you are buying into a system that advocates murdering your children. Islam as taught in the Qur'an and Hadith is fundamentally incompatible with the constitution of the United States of America. It is an inconvenient truth.